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1. 03:56 AM - Re: Flap position. (Russell Daves)
2. 05:36 AM - Re: Flap position. (Tim Olson)
3. 06:00 AM - Re: Flap Positioning System Documentation (Tim Olson)
4. 06:26 AM - Re: Flap position. (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
5. 06:27 AM - Re: Flap Positioning System Documentation (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
6. 07:04 AM - Garmin WAAS upgrade (Tim Olson)
7. 08:01 AM - Re: Flap position. (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
8. 08:05 AM - Re: New Randy's Flight video available - the best yet (Randy DeBauw)
9. 08:46 AM - Re: Garmin WAAS upgrade (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
10. 08:52 AM - Re: Narrow Deck Engine (Dan Checkoway)
11. 09:05 AM - Re: Narrow Deck Engine (Jesse Saint)
12. 10:53 AM - Re: Garmin WAAS upgrade (Tim Olson)
13. 10:58 AM - Re: Garmin WAAS upgrade (Randy DeBauw)
14. 11:56 AM - Re: Garmin WAAS upgrade (John Jessen)
15. 12:40 PM - Back To Building (Sean Stephens)
16. 12:46 PM - Re: Back To Building (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
17. 01:12 PM - Re: Garmin WAAS upgrade (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
18. 01:22 PM - Re: Back To Building (Darton Steve)
19. 02:38 PM - Re: Garmin WAAS upgrade (Tim Olson)
20. 02:40 PM - Re: Back To Building (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Re: Flap position. |
I am going with the flap positioning system from Aircraft
Extras.
I like the idea of being able to program in an automatice trim setting for each
flap position. It looks like a lot of trial and error getting it set up for
the first time but the extra cost for the system, over Van's, will make it worth
it if it performs as advertised.
<http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm>
Rich at aircraft extras sent me the following info:
Hey Russell!
The FPS-Plus comes with the main control and an interface board that you
will need if you are going to add a flap or elev. trim position
indicator. You provide all wiring of course.
You will need to purchase seperately:
1.) The position indicator for the flaps. $30 thru Ray-Allen
2.) Flap actuator & motor assembly
3.) Elev. Trim servo assembly
(Ray Allen is a good one that has the position sensor inside the servo)
As far as the credit card, PayPal is the only way, . . unless you just
want to send me a check.
Hope that helped!
Rich Meske
I still had a question about the switch and the following is my question and Rich's
reply:
> Dear Rich:
>
> I found the following on the Ray Allen Web Site:
>
> When combined with a Ray Allen indicator, this sensor can be used to
> measure the position of wing flaps, cowl flaps or many other
> mechanisms. (NOTE: Ray Allen T2 and T3 servos have their own built in
> sensors.) Measuring only 2.7"(69 mm) x .5"(13 mm) x .8"(20 mm) , it's
> small enough to be installed almost anywhere. It is available in the
> following travel lengths: .5"(13 mm), .7"(18 mm) and 1.2"(30 mm).
>
> $30
>
> Is this what you are referring to as being needed? How do I tell which
> one I need .5" travel, .7" travel, or 1.2" travel?
>
> In addition, does the FPS-Plus come with a flap switch or do I also
> need to purchase some kind of flap switch? If so, what kind?
>
> The RV-10 comes with an Elevator Trim Servo, but off the top of my head
> I don't remember which one. I think it also has the flap actuator and
> motor assembly but I will check and make sure.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Russ Daves
There is a pic of this flap position sensor on my web. Did you see it?
It is on another page off of the FPS page. It is the Ray-Allen 1.2
version. It also shows how to hook it up. As far as the switch, yes, you
will have to get one. Everyone gets the Ray-Allen or another genetric
SPDT switch. The Ray-Allen, you can wire it up both ways shown in my
diagrams.
If you have more questions, I'll try to help!
Rich
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| Subject: | Re: Flap position. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
For those who might be interested, the solution Russel is going
with looks like it's cheaper than the ones Van's is selling. I
can't remember if I paid $225, or $250, but I think their $199
unit seems comparable. I don't personally want a trim tie-in
though, so that keeps the cost low. Trim tie-in might be a good
reason for people to consider this one, but I guess I'm already
committed since I bought.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Russell Daves wrote:
> I am going with the flap positioning system from Aircraft
> Extras.
>
> I like the idea of being able to program in an automatice trim setting
> for each flap position. It looks like a lot of trial and error getting
> it set up for the first time but the extra cost for the system, over
> Van's, will make it worth it if it performs as advertised.
>
> <http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm>
> <http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm>>
>
> Rich at aircraft extras sent me the following info:
>
> Hey Russell!
>
> The FPS-Plus comes with the main control and an interface board that you
> will need if you are going to add a flap or elev. trim position
> indicator. You provide all wiring of course.
>
> You will need to purchase seperately:
> 1.) The position indicator for the flaps. $30 thru Ray-Allen
> 2.) Flap actuator & motor assembly
> 3.) Elev. Trim servo assembly
> (Ray Allen is a good one that has the position sensor inside the servo)
>
> As far as the credit card, PayPal is the only way, . . unless you just
> want to send me a check.
>
> Hope that helped!
>
> Rich Meske
> I still had a question about the switch and the following is my question
> and Rich's reply:
>
> > Dear Rich:
> >
> > I found the following on the Ray Allen Web Site:
> >
> > When combined with a Ray Allen indicator, this sensor can be used to
> > measure the position of wing flaps, cowl flaps or many other
> > mechanisms. (NOTE: Ray Allen T2 and T3 servos have their own built in
> > sensors.) Measuring only 2.7"(69 mm) x .5"(13 mm) x .8"(20 mm) , it's
> > small enough to be installed almost anywhere. It is available in the
> > following travel lengths: .5"(13 mm), .7"(18 mm) and 1.2"(30 mm).
> >
> > $30
> >
> > Is this what you are referring to as being needed? How do I tell which
> > one I need .5" travel, .7" travel, or 1.2" travel?
> >
> > In addition, does the FPS-Plus come with a flap switch or do I also
> > need to purchase some kind of flap switch? If so, what kind?
> >
> > The RV-10 comes with an Elevator Trim Servo, but off the top of my head
> > I don't remember which one. I think it also has the flap actuator and
> > motor assembly but I will check and make sure.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Russ Daves
> There is a pic of this flap position sensor on my web. Did you see it?
> It is on another page off of the FPS page. It is the Ray-Allen 1.2
> version. It also shows how to hook it up. As far as the switch, yes, you
> will have to get one. Everyone gets the Ray-Allen or another genetric
> SPDT switch. The Ray-Allen, you can wire it up both ways shown in my
> diagrams.
>
> If you have more questions, I'll try to help!
>
> Rich
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Positioning System Documentation |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I somewhat agree. That was just a first-shot at the switches. I might
be using that location, but really only for a few switches. The
Alternator/Main switch will be a split rocker a little higher, along
with a key switch.
On that row or close to it will be these kinds of things:
Pitot Heat
Fuel Boost Pump
Nav Lights
Strobe Lights (may just combine with NAV's and run NAV's day&night)
Left Landing Light
Right Landing Light (may combine these 2, but currently plan
to separate them)
Taxi Lights (Won't actually have taxi lights initially)
Essential Bus switch
Avionics Master (yeah, I still want one of those)
I will locate my Flap position switch both on the pilot/copilot sticks,
and the panel (even if I have to add that source Left/Right switch too.
Cockpit lighting and related switches will be grouped elsewhere.
Autopilot Nav 1 / Nav 2 select switch
Autopilot Source (AHRS / GNS480) switch
Autopilot Power on/off
will all be located near the autopilot
Somewhere near my Cheltons will be a TAWS disable switch
and a voice annunciation mute switch
may place the fuel boost switch more centered not immediatly
next to but close to the Flap switch, same with the avionics
master switch, so they can be easily reached by both sides.
There really aren't that many overall switches in the panel though,
so at this point I'm not super concerned.
Pretty quick though, I'll have to have this layout finalized.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Werner Schneider wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider" <glastar@gmx.net>
>
> Tim,
>
> I would avoid to have just one line of switches down there, grouping them in
> rows of 3-5 depending on the task masks an easy finding in a stressful
> situation =(;O) which I know will never happen in an RV-10.
>
> Werner
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:13 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap Positioning System Documentation
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>>Thanks for sending this out Bob. I noticed that the .jpgs to the group
>>came out messed up, but I posted it on my site as well.
>>
>>You can get it off my Tips link (in .jpg or .pdf) from:
>>
>>http://www.myrv10.com/tips
>>
>>or direct here in .pdf
>>http://www.myrv10.com/tips/flap_positioner/FlapPositionerInstall.pdf
>>(The .pdf will be easier to download and read)
>>
>>I also posted some new items that might be of interest to some. I ended
>>up finishing my ordering of large items for the panel today, and quickly
>>wanted to lay out my panel because we're gonna be scrambling to get it
>>cut so it's ready for OSH. To see how the layout would fit, I created
>>the major items in True-size printable .jpg's available on the tips page
>>as well. I taped them up to the panel and tested for fit.
>>
>>I found that with my current layout, the center rib will likely not be
>>an issue, but once again the overall height that Van's provides us with
>>the panel is a very limiting factor. I can make 3-1/8" backup
>>instruments fit, but 2-1/4" fit much better. I have some good photos
>>available on a link off from: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel
>>I'm really starting to wish that they would have made that panel 1"
>>taller.
>>
>>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>>Current project: Fuselage
>>
>>
>>
>>Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>>
>>>Somebody requested the documentation for the Van's flap positioning
>>>system in .pdf. Unfortunately I have a few domestic IT issues that
>>>prevent me from doing the conversion but I've attached .jpg files of
>>>the two pages. Just in case the list strips the attachments I've
>>>cc'd Tim and maybe he can post them.
>>>
>>>Sorry about the file sizes - I was concerned that if I compressed
>>>them further it would compromise the readability.
>>>
>>>Bob #40105
>>>
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Having not flown an RV yet (need to get to VAN's booth first thing Monday at Airventure)
I don't know how the pitch forces are when flaps are dropped. Maybe
Randy or someone can enlighten me. If they are anything like a 182, I really
like the idea of auto trim compensation. One less thing to worry about on a
approach to minimums. I'm also probably going to go with Rocketboy's TCM for
trim control but, again, I'm not sure if trim sensitivity in a 10 changes enough
to take advantage of a speed step controller.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap position.
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
For those who might be interested, the solution Russel is going with looks like
it's cheaper than the ones Van's is selling. I can't remember if I paid $225,
or $250, but I think their $199 unit seems comparable. I don't personally want
a trim tie-in though, so that keeps the cost low. Trim tie-in might be a
good reason for people to consider this one, but I guess I'm already committed
since I bought.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Russell Daves wrote:
> I am going with the flap positioning system from Aircraft
> Extras.
>
> I like the idea of being able to program in an automatice trim setting
> for each flap position. It looks like a lot of trial and error
> getting it set up for the first time but the extra cost for the
> system, over Van's, will make it worth it if it performs as advertised.
>
> <http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm>
> <http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm>>
>
> Rich at aircraft extras sent me the following info:
>
> Hey Russell!
>
> The FPS-Plus comes with the main control and an interface board that
> you will need if you are going to add a flap or elev. trim position
> indicator. You provide all wiring of course.
>
> You will need to purchase seperately:
> 1.) The position indicator for the flaps. $30 thru Ray-Allen
> 2.) Flap actuator & motor assembly
> 3.) Elev. Trim servo assembly
> (Ray Allen is a good one that has the position sensor inside the
> servo)
>
> As far as the credit card, PayPal is the only way, . . unless you just
> want to send me a check.
>
> Hope that helped!
>
> Rich Meske
> I still had a question about the switch and the following is my
> question and Rich's reply:
>
> > Dear Rich:
> >
> > I found the following on the Ray Allen Web Site:
> >
> > When combined with a Ray Allen indicator, this sensor can be used
> to > measure the position of wing flaps, cowl flaps or many other >
> mechanisms. (NOTE: Ray Allen T2 and T3 servos have their own built in
> > sensors.) Measuring only 2.7"(69 mm) x .5"(13 mm) x .8"(20 mm) ,
> it's > small enough to be installed almost anywhere. It is available
> in the > following travel lengths: .5"(13 mm), .7"(18 mm) and 1.2"(30 mm).
> >
> > $30
> >
> > Is this what you are referring to as being needed? How do I tell
> which > one I need .5" travel, .7" travel, or 1.2" travel?
> >
> > In addition, does the FPS-Plus come with a flap switch or do I also
> > need to purchase some kind of flap switch? If so, what kind?
> >
> > The RV-10 comes with an Elevator Trim Servo, but off the top of my
> head > I don't remember which one. I think it also has the flap
> actuator and > motor assembly but I will check and make sure.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Russ Daves
> There is a pic of this flap position sensor on my web. Did you see it?
> It is on another page off of the FPS page. It is the Ray-Allen 1.2
> version. It also shows how to hook it up. As far as the switch, yes,
> you will have to get one. Everyone gets the Ray-Allen or another
> genetric SPDT switch. The Ray-Allen, you can wire it up both ways
> shown in my diagrams.
>
> If you have more questions, I'll try to help!
>
> Rich
>
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| Subject: | Flap Positioning System Documentation |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Tim,
I think just about everybody (except repeat offenders) is surprised at
the lack of panel height! I've messed around with a few layouts and
another inch or two would make a HUGE difference!
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap Positioning System Documentation
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Thanks for sending this out Bob. I noticed that the .jpgs to the group
came out messed up, but I posted it on my site as well.
You can get it off my Tips link (in .jpg or .pdf) from:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips
or direct here in .pdf
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/flap_positioner/FlapPositionerInstall.pdf
(The .pdf will be easier to download and read)
I also posted some new items that might be of interest to some. I ended
up finishing my ordering of large items for the panel today, and quickly
wanted to lay out my panel because we're gonna be scrambling to get it
cut so it's ready for OSH. To see how the layout would fit, I created
the major items in True-size printable .jpg's available on the tips page
as well. I taped them up to the panel and tested for fit.
I found that with my current layout, the center rib will likely not be
an issue, but once again the overall height that Van's provides us with
the panel is a very limiting factor. I can make 3-1/8" backup
instruments fit, but 2-1/4" fit much better. I have some good photos
available on a link off from: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel
I'm really starting to wish that they would have made that panel 1"
taller.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> Somebody requested the documentation for the Van's flap positioning
> system in .pdf. Unfortunately I have a few domestic IT issues that
> prevent me from doing the conversion but I've attached .jpg files of
> the two pages. Just in case the list strips the attachments I've
> cc'd Tim and maybe he can post them.
>
> Sorry about the file sizes - I was concerned that if I compressed
> them further it would compromise the readability.
>
> Bob #40105
>
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| Subject: | Garmin WAAS upgrade |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Got this from AOPA today today:
GARMIN DELAYS WAAS UPGRADE TO POPULAR AVIONICS
Garmin this week announced delays in scheduled upgrades that will allow
its GNS 430/530, GPS 400/500, and GNC 420 avionics units to take
advantage of the Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS). According to the
company, a major software rewrite means the WAAS upgrade won't be
available before the third quarter of 2006. "This is disappointing news
to AOPA members who own Garmin equipment and are looking forward to the
increased safety that WAAS will bring at an affordable price," said
AOPA President Phil Boyer.
"We are committed to promoting WAAS because it will add vertical
guidance capabilities to 3,000 GPS approaches--a major safety
enhancement at lower cost than ground-based navaids." WAAS is a system
of satellites and ground stations that provide GPS signal corrections,
giving pilots vertical guidance and up to five times better position
accuracy than GPS alone. WAAS allows for the creation of GPS approaches
with ILS-like minimums, some as low as 250 feet. See AOPA Online
( http://www.aopa.org/members/050602garmin.html ).
Now I'm even more happy that I bought the GNS-480 Yesterday!
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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The pitch trim is very much related to how the weight is distributed in
the plane. I had been flying up until last Monday with 100 lbs if lead
shot in baggage compartment. With only me in the front seat I only used
1/2 of the available up trim for all landings. Lately I have been
adding and moving weight around to do some testing. With 100 lbs in the
front RH seat and 75 lbs in the baggage comp it didn't make much of a
difference. Only slightly more up trim was required. Almost not even
noticeable. Last night I flew with 150lbs in the RH front seat and
100lbs in each rear seat plus 75lbs in the baggage comp and full fuel.
That left me 72lbs short of gross. I did see a need for more up trim
but a still have about 1/4 up trim left. The time when you need full up
trim seemed to be when I flew the factory plane with just 2 people in
the front seats and no baggage weight. You will use full up trim in
that instance and it would be worth it to add 50 lbs or so to the
baggage compartment. Trimming with flap extension is not any thing
dramatic and is very predictable. Randy
________________________________
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flap position.
Having not flown an RV yet (need to get to VAN's booth first thing
Monday at Airventure) I don't know how the pitch forces are when flaps
are dropped. Maybe Randy or someone can enlighten me. If they are
anything like a 182, I really like the idea of auto trim compensation.
One less thing to worry about on a approach to minimums. I'm also
probably going to go with Rocketboy's TCM for trim control but, again,
I'm not sure if trim sensitivity in a 10 changes enough to take
advantage of a speed step controller.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap position.
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
For those who might be interested, the solution Russel is going with
looks like it's cheaper than the ones Van's is selling. I can't
remember if I paid $225, or $250, but I think their $199 unit seems
comparable. I don't personally want a trim tie-in though, so that keeps
the cost low. Trim tie-in might be a good reason for people to consider
this one, but I guess I'm already committed since I bought.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Russell Daves wrote:
> I am going with the flap positioning system from Aircraft
> Extras.
>
> I like the idea of being able to program in an automatice trim setting
> for each flap position. It looks like a lot of trial and error
> getting it set up for the first time but the extra cost for the
> system, over Van's, will make it worth it if it performs as
advertised.
>
> <http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm>
> <http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm>>
>
> Rich at aircraft extras sent me the following info:
>
> Hey Russell!
>
> The FPS-Plus comes with the main control and an interface board that
> you will need if you are going to add a flap or elev. trim position
> indicator. You provide all wiring of course.
>
> You will need to purchase seperately:
> 1.) The position indicator for the flaps. $30 thru Ray-Allen
> 2.) Flap actuator & motor assembly
> 3.) Elev. Trim servo assembly
> (Ray Allen is a good one that has the position sensor inside the
> servo)
>
> As far as the credit card, PayPal is the only way, . . unless you just
> want to send me a check.
>
> Hope that helped!
>
> Rich Meske
> I still had a question about the switch and the following is my
> question and Rich's reply:
>
> > Dear Rich:
> >
> > I found the following on the Ray Allen Web Site:
> >
> > When combined with a Ray Allen indicator, this sensor can be used
> to > measure the position of wing flaps, cowl flaps or many other >
> mechanisms. (NOTE: Ray Allen T2 and T3 servos have their own built in
> > sensors.) Measuring only 2.7"(69 mm) x .5"(13 mm) x .8"(20 mm) ,
> it's > small enough to be installed almost anywhere. It is available
> in the > following travel lengths: .5"(13 mm), .7"(18 mm) and
1.2"(30 mm).
> >
> > $30
> >
> > Is this what you are referring to as being needed? How do I tell
> which > one I need .5" travel, .7" travel, or 1.2" travel?
> >
> > In addition, does the FPS-Plus come with a flap switch or do I also
> > need to purchase some kind of flap switch? If so, what kind?
> >
> > The RV-10 comes with an Elevator Trim Servo, but off the top of my
> head > I don't remember which one. I think it also has the flap
> actuator and > motor assembly but I will check and make sure.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Russ Daves
> There is a pic of this flap position sensor on my web. Did you see
it?
> It is on another page off of the FPS page. It is the Ray-Allen 1.2
> version. It also shows how to hook it up. As far as the switch, yes,
> you will have to get one. Everyone gets the Ray-Allen or another
> genetric SPDT switch. The Ray-Allen, you can wire it up both ways
> shown in my diagrams.
>
> If you have more questions, I'll try to help!
>
> Rich
>
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| Subject: | New Randy's Flight video available - the best yet |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
You are smooth Larry. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Randy's Flight video available - the best
yet
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
The video was so good I made the entire family watch it.
My wife's comment, "I like those seats. They look comfortable."
My reply was, "If thats what you want, no problem". I did not mention
that they were standard. :-X
Larry
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| Subject: | Garmin WAAS upgrade |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com>
I found this out yesterday from John at Stark Avionics. Apparently
Garmin under estimated how much it was going to cost them to implement
WAAS back when they announced the $1500 WAAS upgrade to the GNS 430 or
GNS 530 units. If you purchase the WAAS upgrade before November 2005,
Garmin will honor the $1500 price. After this Date the upgrade is
likely to be much higher.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Garmin WAAS upgrade
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Got this from AOPA today today:
GARMIN DELAYS WAAS UPGRADE TO POPULAR AVIONICS
Garmin this week announced delays in scheduled upgrades that will allow
its GNS 430/530, GPS 400/500, and GNC 420 avionics units to take
advantage of the Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS). According to the
company, a major software rewrite means the WAAS upgrade won't be
available before the third quarter of 2006. "This is disappointing news
to AOPA members who own Garmin equipment and are looking forward to the
increased safety that WAAS will bring at an affordable price," said
AOPA President Phil Boyer.
"We are committed to promoting WAAS because it will add vertical
guidance capabilities to 3,000 GPS approaches--a major safety
enhancement at lower cost than ground-based navaids." WAAS is a system
of satellites and ground stations that provide GPS signal corrections,
giving pilots vertical guidance and up to five times better position
accuracy than GPS alone. WAAS allows for the creation of GPS approaches
with ILS-like minimums, some as low as 250 feet. See AOPA Online
( http://www.aopa.org/members/050602garmin.html ).
Now I'm even more happy that I bought the GNS-480 Yesterday!
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Narrow Deck Engine |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
You mention you are hoping Jeff comes out with a system for the 540. Jeff's
ignition has been taken over by a new entity, and there's a new web site:
http://www.electroair.net They advertise a 6-cyl version.
There's also a relatively lesser known system that a friend of mine
produces: http://www.aerosparks.com Worth checking into.
And of course you've got the new E-Mag system: http://www.emagair.com No
6-cyl version currently that I know of, but it's only a matter of time.
I personally use the Lightspeed Plasma II system
(http://www.lightspeedengineering.com) on my RV-7 and would use it again in
a heartbeat.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: James Laura Riley
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Narrow Deck Engine
Sam,
I have a Jeff Rose electronic ignition system on my IO-360 narrow deck
engine. I've flow 150 hours in the past year and a half with no problems
what so ever. He offers an excellent system in my opinion. I'm hoping he
will come out with a system for the 540's. My engine was built by Bob
Barrows (the Bear Hawk guy) out of Virginia. It's been very reliable.
I also run premium auto fuel quite often without a hitch. The only thing I'
ve found with the auto fuel is the EGT doesn't run as hot and I'm losing
around 3-4 mph top speed. NO BIG DEAL, when I'm saving $20 per tank of gas!
Bob recommends using 100LL every third tank to keep the valves running
smoothly.
My two cents,
Jim Riley
#40191 finishing wings
Does anyone have any experience with Gary Barber of Outlaw Aviation out of
Florida? No offense to Floridian's, but the last guy from Florida I dealt
with (McClow) was far from reputable!
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| Subject: | Narrow Deck Engine |
Don't know anything about the electronic ignition or the guy you are talking
about in Florida, which is where I am. I met a guy once from Oregon who was
a jerk, but I won't hold that against Randy or Van's. Florida is a pretty
big state. The name, Outlaw Aviation, wouldn't be very comforting if you
were doubtful, but if the guy were really an outlaw he probably wouldn't be
dumb enough to use that name.
Do not archive!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Laura Riley
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Narrow Deck Engine
Sam,
I have a Jeff Rose electronic ignition system on my IO-360 narrow deck
engine. I've flow 150 hours in the past year and a half with no problems
what so ever. He offers an excellent system in my opinion. I'm hoping he
will come out with a system for the 540's. My engine was built by Bob
Barrows (the Bear Hawk guy) out of Virginia. It's been very reliable.
I also run premium auto fuel quite often without a hitch. The only thing
I've found with the auto fuel is the EGT doesn't run as hot and I'm losing
around 3-4 mph top speed. NO BIG DEAL, when I'm saving $20 per tank of gas!
Bob recommends using 100LL every third tank to keep the valves running
smoothly.
My two cents,
Jim Riley
#40191 finishing wings
Does anyone have any experience with Gary Barber of Outlaw Aviation out of
Florida? No offense to Floridian's, but the last guy from Florida I dealt
with (McClow) was far from reputable!
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin WAAS upgrade |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Keep it coming guys, you're REALLY making me happy I got the GNS-480
yesterday. :) I love it when things go RIGHT for a change. The 430
and 530 are great radios, but I was afraid that this WAAS upgrade
was going to be vaporware in the short term...that's why I didn't
listen when people said "yeah, but the 430 will be upgradeable...".
I wonder how Garmin would be reacting right now if there were another
avionics manufacturer that was just about to release a new WAAS
equipped radio. In my opinion though, Garmin bought the CNX-80
and renamed it....right there that told me they didn't have nearly
the urgency that they used to. Also, for us building panels, have you
noticed how many people have GNS-480's in their plan? Lots of those,
but so far I haven't seen ANY 530's, and only a few 430's. The 530
is way overpriced, IMHO....but has a nice big screen....not that we
could fit it in our panel though. ;)
Tim
Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com>
>
> I found this out yesterday from John at Stark Avionics. Apparently
> Garmin under estimated how much it was going to cost them to implement
> WAAS back when they announced the $1500 WAAS upgrade to the GNS 430 or
> GNS 530 units. If you purchase the WAAS upgrade before November 2005,
> Garmin will honor the $1500 price. After this Date the upgrade is
> likely to be much higher.
>
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> CDNI Principal Engineer
> Sprint PCS
> 16020 West 113th Street
> Lenexa, KS 66219
> Mailstop KSLNXK0101
> (913) 859-1414 (Office)
> (913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
> (913) 859-1234 (Fax)
> Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:04 AM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: Garmin WAAS upgrade
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Got this from AOPA today today:
>
> GARMIN DELAYS WAAS UPGRADE TO POPULAR AVIONICS
> Garmin this week announced delays in scheduled upgrades that will allow
> its GNS 430/530, GPS 400/500, and GNC 420 avionics units to take
> advantage of the Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS). According to the
>
> company, a major software rewrite means the WAAS upgrade won't be
> available before the third quarter of 2006. "This is disappointing news
> to AOPA members who own Garmin equipment and are looking forward to the
> increased safety that WAAS will bring at an affordable price," said
> AOPA President Phil Boyer.
> "We are committed to promoting WAAS because it will add vertical
> guidance capabilities to 3,000 GPS approaches--a major safety
> enhancement at lower cost than ground-based navaids." WAAS is a system
> of satellites and ground stations that provide GPS signal corrections,
> giving pilots vertical guidance and up to five times better position
> accuracy than GPS alone. WAAS allows for the creation of GPS approaches
>
> with ILS-like minimums, some as low as 250 feet. See AOPA Online
> ( http://www.aopa.org/members/050602garmin.html ).
>
>
> Now I'm even more happy that I bought the GNS-480 Yesterday!
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| Subject: | Garmin WAAS upgrade |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
What do you mean "go right for a change". You bought an RV10 man!
Everything after that are just bumps in the air. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin WAAS upgrade
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Keep it coming guys, you're REALLY making me happy I got the GNS-480
yesterday. :) I love it when things go RIGHT for a change. The 430 and
530 are great radios, but I was afraid that this WAAS upgrade was going
to be vaporware in the short term...that's why I didn't listen when
people said "yeah, but the 430 will be upgradeable...".
I wonder how Garmin would be reacting right now if there were another
avionics manufacturer that was just about to release a new WAAS
equipped radio. In my opinion though, Garmin bought the CNX-80
and renamed it....right there that told me they didn't have nearly the
urgency that they used to. Also, for us building panels, have you
noticed how many people have GNS-480's in their plan? Lots of those,
but so far I haven't seen ANY 530's, and only a few 430's. The 530
is way overpriced, IMHO....but has a nice big screen....not that we
could fit it in our panel though. ;)
Tim
Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]"
> --> <Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com>
>
> I found this out yesterday from John at Stark Avionics. Apparently
> Garmin under estimated how much it was going to cost them to implement
> WAAS back when they announced the $1500 WAAS upgrade to the GNS 430 or
> GNS 530 units. If you purchase the WAAS upgrade before November 2005,
> Garmin will honor the $1500 price. After this Date the upgrade is
> likely to be much higher.
>
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> CDNI Principal Engineer
> Sprint PCS
> 16020 West 113th Street
> Lenexa, KS 66219
> Mailstop KSLNXK0101
> (913) 859-1414 (Office)
> (913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
> (913) 859-1234 (Fax)
> Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:04 AM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: Garmin WAAS upgrade
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Got this from AOPA today today:
>
> GARMIN DELAYS WAAS UPGRADE TO POPULAR AVIONICS Garmin this week
> announced delays in scheduled upgrades that will allow its GNS
> 430/530, GPS 400/500, and GNC 420 avionics units to take advantage of
> the Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS). According to the
>
> company, a major software rewrite means the WAAS upgrade won't be
> available before the third quarter of 2006. "This is disappointing
> news to AOPA members who own Garmin equipment and are looking forward
> to the increased safety that WAAS will bring at an affordable price,"
> said AOPA President Phil Boyer.
> "We are committed to promoting WAAS because it will add vertical
> guidance capabilities to 3,000 GPS approaches--a major safety
> enhancement at lower cost than ground-based navaids." WAAS is a system
> of satellites and ground stations that provide GPS signal corrections,
> giving pilots vertical guidance and up to five times better position
> accuracy than GPS alone. WAAS allows for the creation of GPS
> approaches
>
> with ILS-like minimums, some as low as 250 feet. See AOPA Online (
> http://www.aopa.org/members/050602garmin.html ).
>
>
> Now I'm even more happy that I bought the GNS-480 Yesterday!
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| Subject: | Garmin WAAS upgrade |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
How many WAAS enabled approaches in your area? Overall? Coming? Doesn't
seem to be happening with any great speed.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin WAAS upgrade
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Keep it coming guys, you're REALLY making me happy I got the GNS-480
yesterday. :) I love it when things go RIGHT for a change. The 430 and 530
are great radios, but I was afraid that this WAAS upgrade was going to be
vaporware in the short term...that's why I didn't listen when people said
"yeah, but the 430 will be upgradeable...".
I wonder how Garmin would be reacting right now if there were another
avionics manufacturer that was just about to release a new WAAS
equipped radio. In my opinion though, Garmin bought the CNX-80
and renamed it....right there that told me they didn't have nearly the
urgency that they used to. Also, for us building panels, have you noticed
how many people have GNS-480's in their plan? Lots of those,
but so far I haven't seen ANY 530's, and only a few 430's. The 530
is way overpriced, IMHO....but has a nice big screen....not that we could
fit it in our panel though. ;)
Tim
Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]"
> --> <Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com>
>
> I found this out yesterday from John at Stark Avionics. Apparently
> Garmin under estimated how much it was going to cost them to implement
> WAAS back when they announced the $1500 WAAS upgrade to the GNS 430 or
> GNS 530 units. If you purchase the WAAS upgrade before November 2005,
> Garmin will honor the $1500 price. After this Date the upgrade is
> likely to be much higher.
>
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> CDNI Principal Engineer
> Sprint PCS
> 16020 West 113th Street
> Lenexa, KS 66219
> Mailstop KSLNXK0101
> (913) 859-1414 (Office)
> (913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
> (913) 859-1234 (Fax)
> Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:04 AM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: Garmin WAAS upgrade
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Got this from AOPA today today:
>
> GARMIN DELAYS WAAS UPGRADE TO POPULAR AVIONICS Garmin this week
> announced delays in scheduled upgrades that will allow its GNS
> 430/530, GPS 400/500, and GNC 420 avionics units to take advantage of
> the Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS). According to the
>
> company, a major software rewrite means the WAAS upgrade won't be
> available before the third quarter of 2006. "This is disappointing
> news to AOPA members who own Garmin equipment and are looking forward
> to the increased safety that WAAS will bring at an affordable price,"
> said AOPA President Phil Boyer.
> "We are committed to promoting WAAS because it will add vertical
> guidance capabilities to 3,000 GPS approaches--a major safety
> enhancement at lower cost than ground-based navaids." WAAS is a system
> of satellites and ground stations that provide GPS signal corrections,
> giving pilots vertical guidance and up to five times better position
> accuracy than GPS alone. WAAS allows for the creation of GPS
> approaches
>
> with ILS-like minimums, some as low as 250 feet. See AOPA Online (
> http://www.aopa.org/members/050602garmin.html ).
>
>
> Now I'm even more happy that I bought the GNS-480 Yesterday!
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| Subject: | Back To Building |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Finally back to building. Wing Kit (slowbuild) finally showed up
yesterday after a one month delay.
It's good to be back in the action. Was going a little stir crazy with
nothing more to do on the emp kit.
One question out of curiosity. Why the spar extensions? Are they using
the same spars as the -9 or something and just needed to extend them 6
inches?
-Sean #40303
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Apparently this was so they could deal with standard length aluminum
stock for the spar - this question was asked at the OSH forum last year.
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: RV10-List: Back To Building
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Finally back to building. Wing Kit (slowbuild) finally showed up
yesterday after a one month delay.
It's good to be back in the action. Was going a little stir crazy with
nothing more to do on the emp kit.
One question out of curiosity. Why the spar extensions? Are they using
the same spars as the -9 or something and just needed to extend them 6
inches?
-Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Garmin WAAS upgrade |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
The WAAS process is begun with the airport agency submitting a survey
request of the FAA. The beginning submission requires engineering data
on topography, lighting, obstructions and pavement conditions at the
submittal site. The FAA takes from 14 to 18 months to clear the
hurdles, authorize the funds and grant the WAAS approach.
It is correct they are tackling 300 per year - into the future. Oregon
currently has three KUAO, KSLE and KEUG with 25 to go. Nine submittals
were made fourteen months ago with several of the nine not WAAS. Don't
ask me why! Check with your state airport authority on WAAS submittals
and the date. Then contact your federal elected officials. Keep heat on
the stove. Just like a young chicken hen, there are lots of eggs on the
way. Make sure your favorite airport has already been submitted. Don't
assume someone else did it. Those who think someone else is watching the
stew will be going hungry.
Think hard about the advantage of purchasing a WAAS ready GNS480 over
waiting for upgrade after buying a cheaper 430. Garmin has three
(secret) certified airframe manufacturers birds under white tarps in
their SLE hangar going after G1000 federal certification. Follow the
money and numbers. Good luck with the 430 upgrade this year.
Research the advantage of a LPV WAAS approach to your favorite landing
spots (some are indeed down to 250' MSL). If you fly out of state,
write those neighboring states on those favorites and mention clearly
that your fuel tax dollars fund their paycheck and tourism budgets. Make
it happen. Write Randy Kenagy at AOPA and let him hear your passion and
concerns. Phil B. is working with Marion B. to keep the funding flowing
into delivery of WAAS.
John Cox - KUAO
(just sponsored an FAA/AOPA seminar on WAAS/ADS-B and SAATS for Oregon)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Garmin WAAS upgrade
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
How many WAAS enabled approaches in your area? Overall? Coming?
Doesn't
seem to be happening with any great speed.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin WAAS upgrade
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Keep it coming guys, you're REALLY making me happy I got the GNS-480
yesterday. :) I love it when things go RIGHT for a change. The 430 and
530
are great radios, but I was afraid that this WAAS upgrade was going to
be
vaporware in the short term...that's why I didn't listen when people
said
"yeah, but the 430 will be upgradeable...".
I wonder how Garmin would be reacting right now if there were another
avionics manufacturer that was just about to release a new WAAS
equipped radio. In my opinion though, Garmin bought the CNX-80
and renamed it....right there that told me they didn't have nearly the
urgency that they used to. Also, for us building panels, have you
noticed
how many people have GNS-480's in their plan? Lots of those,
but so far I haven't seen ANY 530's, and only a few 430's. The 530
is way overpriced, IMHO....but has a nice big screen....not that we
could
fit it in our panel though. ;)
Tim
Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]"
> --> <Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com>
>
> I found this out yesterday from John at Stark Avionics. Apparently
> Garmin under estimated how much it was going to cost them to implement
> WAAS back when they announced the $1500 WAAS upgrade to the GNS 430 or
> GNS 530 units. If you purchase the WAAS upgrade before November 2005,
> Garmin will honor the $1500 price. After this Date the upgrade is
> likely to be much higher.
>
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> CDNI Principal Engineer
> Sprint PCS
> 16020 West 113th Street
> Lenexa, KS 66219
> Mailstop KSLNXK0101
> (913) 859-1414 (Office)
> (913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
> (913) 859-1234 (Fax)
> Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:04 AM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: Garmin WAAS upgrade
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Got this from AOPA today today:
>
> GARMIN DELAYS WAAS UPGRADE TO POPULAR AVIONICS Garmin this week
> announced delays in scheduled upgrades that will allow its GNS
> 430/530, GPS 400/500, and GNC 420 avionics units to take advantage of
> the Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS). According to the
>
> company, a major software rewrite means the WAAS upgrade won't be
> available before the third quarter of 2006. "This is disappointing
> news to AOPA members who own Garmin equipment and are looking forward
> to the increased safety that WAAS will bring at an affordable price,"
> said AOPA President Phil Boyer.
> "We are committed to promoting WAAS because it will add vertical
> guidance capabilities to 3,000 GPS approaches--a major safety
> enhancement at lower cost than ground-based navaids." WAAS is a system
> of satellites and ground stations that provide GPS signal corrections,
> giving pilots vertical guidance and up to five times better position
> accuracy than GPS alone. WAAS allows for the creation of GPS
> approaches
>
> with ILS-like minimums, some as low as 250 feet. See AOPA Online (
> http://www.aopa.org/members/050602garmin.html ).
>
>
> Now I'm even more happy that I bought the GNS-480 Yesterday!
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| Subject: | Re: Back To Building |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Darton Steve <sfdarton@yahoo.com>
Sean,
Measure the spar length, exactly 12'0". I wondered the
same thing till I got out my tape!
Steve 40212 Wings
--- Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens
> <schmoboy@cox.net>
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> Finally back to building. Wing Kit (slowbuild)
> finally showed up
> yesterday after a one month delay.
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> It's good to be back in the action. Was going a
> little stir crazy with
> nothing more to do on the emp kit.
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> One question out of curiosity. Why the spar
> extensions? Are they using
> the same spars as the -9 or something and just
> needed to extend them 6
> inches?
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> -Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin WAAS upgrade |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I think they're claiming there's a bunch in the works. I know our
airport commission had a meeting because the Feds were hoping to
get as many active as they could....and our airport was petitioning
to get one installed a.s.a.p. I know they aren't there today, but
every month that goes by there's bound to be more and more.
Time will tell, but I'm not much for buying a panel today that
I'd regret in 2 years.....I don't plan on doing this again for
a LONG time after I get her flying.
Tim
DO NOT ARCHIVE
John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
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> How many WAAS enabled approaches in your area? Overall? Coming? Doesn't
> seem to be happening with any great speed.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin WAAS upgrade
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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> Keep it coming guys, you're REALLY making me happy I got the GNS-480
> yesterday. :) I love it when things go RIGHT for a change. The 430 and 530
> are great radios, but I was afraid that this WAAS upgrade was going to be
> vaporware in the short term...that's why I didn't listen when people said
> "yeah, but the 430 will be upgradeable...".
> I wonder how Garmin would be reacting right now if there were another
> avionics manufacturer that was just about to release a new WAAS
> equipped radio. In my opinion though, Garmin bought the CNX-80
> and renamed it....right there that told me they didn't have nearly the
> urgency that they used to. Also, for us building panels, have you noticed
> how many people have GNS-480's in their plan? Lots of those,
> but so far I haven't seen ANY 530's, and only a few 430's. The 530
> is way overpriced, IMHO....but has a nice big screen....not that we could
> fit it in our panel though. ;)
>
> Tim
>
>
> Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]"
>>--> <Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com>
>>
>>I found this out yesterday from John at Stark Avionics. Apparently
>>Garmin under estimated how much it was going to cost them to implement
>>WAAS back when they announced the $1500 WAAS upgrade to the GNS 430 or
>>GNS 530 units. If you purchase the WAAS upgrade before November 2005,
>>Garmin will honor the $1500 price. After this Date the upgrade is
>>likely to be much higher.
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>>
>>Thank You
>>Ray Doerr
>>CDNI Principal Engineer
>>Sprint PCS
>>16020 West 113th Street
>>Lenexa, KS 66219
>>Mailstop KSLNXK0101
>>(913) 859-1414 (Office)
>>(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
>>(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
>>Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com
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>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:04 AM
>>To: RV10
>>Subject: RV10-List: Garmin WAAS upgrade
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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>>Got this from AOPA today today:
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>>GARMIN DELAYS WAAS UPGRADE TO POPULAR AVIONICS Garmin this week
>>announced delays in scheduled upgrades that will allow its GNS
>>430/530, GPS 400/500, and GNC 420 avionics units to take advantage of
>>the Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS). According to the
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>>company, a major software rewrite means the WAAS upgrade won't be
>>available before the third quarter of 2006. "This is disappointing
>>news to AOPA members who own Garmin equipment and are looking forward
>>to the increased safety that WAAS will bring at an affordable price,"
>>said AOPA President Phil Boyer.
>>"We are committed to promoting WAAS because it will add vertical
>>guidance capabilities to 3,000 GPS approaches--a major safety
>>enhancement at lower cost than ground-based navaids." WAAS is a system
>>of satellites and ground stations that provide GPS signal corrections,
>>giving pilots vertical guidance and up to five times better position
>>accuracy than GPS alone. WAAS allows for the creation of GPS
>>approaches
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>>with ILS-like minimums, some as low as 250 feet. See AOPA Online (
>>http://www.aopa.org/members/050602garmin.html ).
>>
>>
>>Now I'm even more happy that I bought the GNS-480 Yesterday!
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| Subject: | Re: Back To Building |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Probably either due to lenght limits of their raw materials,
pricing of raw materials over that length, or shipping size
limitations that cause increased cost. Seems like the
almighty dollar might be a very likely cause, because
from a construction standpoint I can't see a purpose....also,
you'd want it one solid piece as far out as you can, so that's
why you wouldn't find it spliced 8' from the root.
Tim
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> Finally back to building. Wing Kit (slowbuild) finally showed up
> yesterday after a one month delay.
>
> It's good to be back in the action. Was going a little stir crazy with
> nothing more to do on the emp kit.
>
> One question out of curiosity. Why the spar extensions? Are they using
> the same spars as the -9 or something and just needed to extend them 6
> inches?
>
> -Sean #40303
>
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