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1. 05:36 AM - Rudder Plans (Robert G. Wright)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: Rudder Plans (Marcus Cooper)
3. 06:37 AM - Re: Rudder Plans (Tim Olson)
4. 06:46 AM - first fabrication (Robert G. Wright)
5. 06:48 AM - Re: Rudder Plans (Robert G. Wright)
6. 06:51 AM - Re: Rudder Plans (James Hein)
7. 01:25 PM - Elev trim cables (Mark Chamberlain)
8. 02:10 PM - Re: Elev trim cables (Bobby J. Hughes)
9. 04:30 PM - Re: Elev trim cables (Darton Steve)
10. 04:42 PM - Third RV-10 Flying (Larry)
11. 05:46 PM - Re: Elev trim cables (Jim Combs)
12. 07:02 PM - Anywhere MAP/WX (Jesse Saint)
13. 07:40 PM - Re: Anywhere MAP/WX (John W. Cox)
14. 08:05 PM - Re: Anywhere MAP/WX (Mark)
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Group,
I'm working on the rudder, and stuck on how the stiffeners are positioned.
The plans say to put the aft end of the L stiffener over the R one (p 7-5).
However, when I line up the stiffener halves as per p 7-3 where I cut them
out, the pictures on 7-5 show them backward, i.e. The one labeled L on 7-5
is the one that p 7-3 had me label R.
Going strictly off of pictures (which I've always been warned against), I
should be using R over L, not L over R. Sounds like I'm tying a square
knot.
I don't see a revision for Section 7 on Van's site. Could the 350+ of you
who have completed rudders help me out on a Saturday when Van's is closed?
Rob Wright
#392 Rudder 3%
N524RX Reserved
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Rob,
I had the same problem and stared forever at the pictures. I think the
initial picture of the parts is misleading and I couldn't figure out which
side I was looking at since they sort of unbend things in the picture for
clarity. I ended up focusing on the picture on page 7-5 and it worked
great. My problem was the initial picture talked me into labeling the parts
wrong.
Marcus
Assembling the tailcone, QB fuselage in the garage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert G. Wright
Subject: RV10-List: Rudder Plans
Group,
I'm working on the rudder, and stuck on how the stiffeners are positioned.
The plans say to put the aft end of the L stiffener over the R one (p 7-5).
However, when I line up the stiffener halves as per p 7-3 where I cut them
out, the pictures on 7-5 show them backward, i.e. The one labeled L on 7-5
is the one that p 7-3 had me label R.
Going strictly off of pictures (which I've always been warned against), I
should be using R over L, not L over R. Sounds like I'm tying a square
knot.
I don't see a revision for Section 7 on Van's site. Could the 350+ of you
who have completed rudders help me out on a Saturday when Van's is closed?
Rob Wright
#392 Rudder 3%
N524RX Reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Plans |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I think you're maybe confused by something minor that if you take all
all the parts and go back to page 7-3 and 7-5 you may figure out.
I cut mine exactly as pictured on 7/3, and labeled them as shown from
what I remember. Then assembled them on 7-5 exactly as pictured.
The only dfference between the letters (i.e. 1015D, E, F, G -R)
is the length, and right or left. Then, since one must overlap the
other, the holes on one skin are slightly shifted compared to the holes
on the other skin...and if you cleco them in place you'll see how they
will naturally want to lay in the proper overlap for the most part.
My guess is though that if you go back and compare the parts on page
7-3, you may find that you mis-labeled the stiffners.
Or, are you just finding this problem out AFTER the skins are dimpled?
I'm not sure of this, but I suppose it would then be possible that you
mis-dimpled your skins. Whatever you do, get these things laid out
and clecoed together before you do anything permanent like dimple.
I think you'll find though that the stiffners overlap just as in 7-5.
Just take a deep breath, and scratch your head while staring at it....
I have to do that from time to time too. ;)
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
Robert G. Wright wrote:
> Group,
>
>
>
> Im working on the rudder, and stuck on how the stiffeners are
> positioned. The plans say to put the aft end of the L stiffener over
> the R one (p 7-5). However, when I line up the stiffener halves as per
> p 7-3 where I cut them out, the pictures on 7-5 show them backward, i.e.
> The one labeled L on 7-5 is the one that p 7-3 had me label R.
>
>
>
> Going strictly off of pictures (which Ive always been warned against),
> I should be using R over L, not L over R. Sounds like Im tying a
> square knot.
>
>
>
> I dont see a revision for Section 7 on Vans site. Could the 350+ of
> you who have completed rudders help me out on a Saturday when Vans is
> closed?
>
>
>
> Rob Wright
>
> #392 Rudder 3%
>
> N524RX Reserved
>
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| Subject: | first fabrication |
Well, I got to do my first 99% fabrication the other day (the other 1% was
because I had a form to use). I didn't have my C/S tool set up right for
the striker plates on the rudder, and went way too deep and off center on
one of the holes. I thought, "Great, I get to reorder my first part from
Van's. At least it's not a $100 part (or worse)." Then I let my brain
wander for a minute, as it likes to do, and I came up with using a piece of
the hole gauge plate that Van's included with my tail order.
I thought the plate might have been a thousandth or two thicker, but after
cutting out the new piece and deburring, having the edges cut down by
deburring is what made the old piece look slightly thinner.
I'm sending three pics, two of the bad piece and the one I made, with a
rivet dropped in to show what it should and shouldn't look like, and one of
both pieces on top of the source plate.
Enjoy!
Rob
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Marcus, thanks.
Tim, I'd really hate to have gotten that far in the plans (dimpling) and
then figure out I messed up the foundation! One step at a time, baby.
Rob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rudder Plans
Rob,
I had the same problem and stared forever at the pictures. I think the
initial picture of the parts is misleading and I couldn't figure out which
side I was looking at since they sort of unbend things in the picture for
clarity. I ended up focusing on the picture on page 7-5 and it worked
great. My problem was the initial picture talked me into labeling the parts
wrong.
Marcus
Assembling the tailcone, QB fuselage in the garage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert G. Wright
Subject: RV10-List: Rudder Plans
Group,
I'm working on the rudder, and stuck on how the stiffeners are positioned.
The plans say to put the aft end of the L stiffener over the R one (p 7-5).
However, when I line up the stiffener halves as per p 7-3 where I cut them
out, the pictures on 7-5 show them backward, i.e. The one labeled L on 7-5
is the one that p 7-3 had me label R.
Going strictly off of pictures (which I've always been warned against), I
should be using R over L, not L over R. Sounds like I'm tying a square
knot.
I don't see a revision for Section 7 on Van's site. Could the 350+ of you
who have completed rudders help me out on a Saturday when Van's is closed?
Rob Wright
#392 Rudder 3%
N524RX Reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Plans |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Robert,
I have been there, done that... Here's what I figured out:
The part labels (left and right) are backwards on page 7-3 ONLY. All
other pages have the parts labeled correctly. All you have to do, is on
page 7-3 label the parts that say left as right and vice-versa. Doing
this everything worked out great and I now have a perfectly flat rudder
assembly.
-Jim 40384 (Just finished rudder yesterday)
Robert G. Wright wrote:
> Group,
>
> Im working on the rudder, and stuck on how the stiffeners are
> positioned. The plans say to put the aft end of the L stiffener over
> the R one (p 7-5). However, when I line up the stiffener halves as per
> p 7-3 where I cut them out, the pictures on 7-5 show them backward,
> i.e. The one labeled L on 7-5 is the one that p 7-3 had me label R.
>
> Going strictly off of pictures (which Ive always been warned
> against), I should be using R over L, not L over R. Sounds like Im
> tying a square knot.
>
> I dont see a revision for Section 7 on Vans site. Could the 350+ of
> you who have completed rudders help me out on a Saturday when Vans is
> closed?
>
> Rob Wright
>
> #392 Rudder 3%
>
> N524RX Reserved
>
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| Subject: | Elev trim cables |
Did anyone have trouble with the adjustment of the Elev trim cables once they were
hooked up and running electrically. I was at the airport this morning trying
to help another 10 builder figure out why one trim tab stops traveling while
the other continues when running the trim motor. We are pretty sure the bellcrank
and other attachments are in the proper orientaion. It seems to me that
maybe it is a cable adjustment issue but I was wondering if anyone else has had
this problem. Thx, Mark (40016)
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| Subject: | Elev trim cables |
Mark,
My understanding is they are designed to work that way.
Bobby Hughes
40116
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Chamberlain
Subject: RV10-List: Elev trim cables
Did anyone have trouble with the adjustment of the Elev trim cables once
they were hooked up and running electrically. I was at the airport this
morning trying to help another 10 builder figure out why one trim tab
stops traveling while the other continues when running the trim motor.
We are pretty sure the bellcrank and other attachments are in the proper
orientaion. It seems to me that maybe it is a cable adjustment issue but
I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem. Thx, Mark (40016)
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| Subject: | Re: Elev trim cables |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Darton Steve <sfdarton@yahoo.com>
Mark,
Yes I had the same wonderment! Looking at the triangle
shaped cog I figured they were designed for
asymmetrical throw. I visited Van's during the trim
adjustment process and had Ken run the trim up and
down on 410RV so I could see how it worked. Basically
you want them to both hit neutral at the same time.
The left tab (if I remember correctly) only travels
full deflected down to neutral, the right tab has full
deflection up and down. The right tab is the one you
want to measure for the correct deflection. The 2 seat
RV's only have one tab, since the RV-10 was nose heavy
they engineered the "extra" tab to give nose up
deflection only.
Steve #40212 Wings
--- Mark Chamberlain <10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
> Did anyone have trouble with the adjustment of the
> Elev trim cables once they were hooked up and
> running electrically. I was at the airport this
> morning trying to help another 10 builder figure out
> why one trim tab stops traveling while the other
> continues when running the trim motor. We are pretty
> sure the bellcrank and other attachments are in the
> proper orientaion. It seems to me that maybe it is a
> cable adjustment issue but I was wondering if anyone
> else has had this problem. Thx, Mark (40016)> No
virus found in this outgoing message.
> Date: 6/4/2005
>
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| Subject: | Third RV-10 Flying |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Slow day. Everyone must be pounding rivets.
Saw this posted at Vans Air Force:
RV10 N770BD (BigDog) completed first flight this morning at the
Caldwell, Idaho airport.
Builder/Pilot: Ed McGinty
All went well.
Saturday June 4th.
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| Subject: | Re: Elev trim cables |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Because of the way the trim cables attach to the trim mechanism, one will stop
moving before the other.
If my memory serves correct, at one point in the design, Vans was trying to have
an automatic elevator trim adjust when the flaps were moved. One side of the
trim was connected to the flap mechanism, and the other was pilot adjustable.
I think they backed away from this and just connected both elevator trims to
the same motor.
Build it per the plans and fly it.
I do however think you should check the clearance of the bolt as it travels down through the mounting plate. I ran my mechanism and the clearance was about one bolt thread. I shortened the bolt slightly, but someone else suggested making the clearance hole bigger (I had already shortened the bolt). Pictures are on my web page (Fuselage Trim @ www.infra-read.com)
If you want to do this, you can move the servo motor using a rectangular 9 volt
battery. There are five wires coming from the servo, Three of them are striped
with a color, two are not. The two wires not stripped can be touched to the
9v battery and the motor will move to it's limit. Reverse the wires to reverse
the travel. Since this is not in a convienient location after installation,
you might check this just after building it.
Jim Combs
#40192 - Fuselage
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I have been thinking a lot about the possibilities of using software like
Anywhere Map and their Anywhere WX options on a laptop or panel-mounted LCD
screen to have good, high-detail moving map and weather in the cockpit. It
looks like this can be done for about $3,000 plus a monthly subscription to
the XM Weather plan. Is anybody else planning on doing this? Does anybody
else have experience with this or any other similar system? I would rather
pay $3,000 and have the flexibility that this would offer than pay
$5,000-6,000 for the upgrade for my Garmin 430. It would also allow me to
take the system with me in other planes if there was room. Also, a 12"
screen dedicated to map and weather would be very nice to look at, and it
could play DVD's or could be used for catching up on the RV-10 list e-mails
while the TruTrak is in control.
Any thoughts, warnings, encouragement, etc is welcome!
Does anybody know the serial number of the 3rd -10 flying? This definitely
seems like it is going to be the year of the -10.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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McGinty was from Idaho with #40004. Doug should be out there about now
with his #40009.
John - KUAO
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
I have been thinking a lot about the possibilities of using software
like Anywhere Map and their Anywhere WX options on a laptop or
panel-mounted LCD screen to have good, high-detail moving map and
weather in the cockpit. It looks like this can be done for about $3,000
plus a monthly subscription to the XM Weather plan. Is anybody else
planning on doing this? Does anybody else have experience with this or
any other similar system? I would rather pay $3,000 and have the
flexibility that this would offer than pay $5,000-6,000 for the upgrade
for my Garmin 430. It would also allow me to take the system with me in
other planes if there was room. Also, a 12" screen dedicated to map and
weather would be very nice to look at, and it could play DVD's or could
be used for catching up on the RV-10 list e-mails while the TruTrak is
in control.
Any thoughts, warnings, encouragement, etc is welcome!
Does anybody know the serial number of the 3rd -10 flying? This
definitely seems like it is going to be the year of the -10.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: Anywhere MAP/WX |
Jesse,
I think this is a great idea! I have Airgator's Nav Air moving map w/ XM now,
and I like it's functionality, but I would like a panel mount weather system.
Do you have any ideas about which LCD screen would work as a panel mount, and
how you would go about mounting the LCD? I was also wondering how I was going
to watch those inflight movies!
Mark
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