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1. 02:50 AM - Re: Anywhere MAP/WX (Jesse Saint)
2. 04:32 AM - Re: QB Fuselage Temp Rivets (fuel pump) (Tim Olson)
3. 04:47 AM - Re: Anywhere MAP/WX (Tim Olson)
4. 05:43 AM - Re: Anywhere MAP/WX (Kent Forsythe)
5. 05:55 AM - Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the RV-10 markings. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
6. 06:45 AM - Re: Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the RV-10 markings. (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
7. 08:44 AM - Re: Anywhere MAP/WX (Wayne @ Engravers.net)
8. 08:58 AM - Re: Anywhere MAP/WX (Werner Schneider)
9. 09:13 AM - Re: Beating Engine Mount into Submission (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
10. 09:25 AM - Re: Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the RV-10 (Tim Olson)
11. 09:27 AM - Re: Anywhere MAP/WX (Jim Combs)
12. 09:29 AM - Re: Anywhere MAP/WX (Tim Olson)
13. 09:39 AM - Re: Anywhere MAP/WX (Jim Combs)
14. 09:43 AM - Re: Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the RV-10 markings. (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
15. 09:44 AM - Re: Anywhere MAP/WX (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
16. 10:12 AM - Re: Anywhere MAP/WX (Kent Forsythe)
17. 10:23 AM - Re: Anywhere MAP/WX (Rob Kermanj)
18. 10:46 AM - Re: Anywhere MAP/WX (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
19. 10:53 AM - Re: Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the RV-10 markings. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
20. 11:43 AM - Re: Anywhere MAP/WX (Sean Stephens)
21. 12:12 PM - oops rivets for AD4 (James Ochs)
22. 12:31 PM - Re: oops rivets for AD4 (Dan Checkoway)
23. 12:42 PM - Re: oops rivets for AD4 (Tim Olson)
24. 12:57 PM - Re: Interior Paint (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
25. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: Interior Paint (Tim Olson)
26. 02:02 PM - Re: Re: Interior Paint (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
27. 02:05 PM - Re: Re: Interior Paint (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
28. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: Interior Paint (Tim Olson)
29. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Interior Paint (Jeff Carpenter)
30. 02:35 PM - Re: QB Fuselage Temp Rivets (fuel pump) (Marcus Cooper)
31. 02:39 PM - N610RV Fly-off complete. (Randy's Abros mail)
32. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Interior Paint (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
33. 02:52 PM - Re: QB Fuselage Temp Rivets (fuel pump) (Rob Kermanj)
34. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: Interior Paint (Larry)
35. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: Interior Paint (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
36. 03:31 PM - Re: N610RV Fly-off complete. (Scott Schmidt)
37. 04:34 PM - Re: QB Fuselage Temp Rivets (fuel pump) (Marcus Cooper)
38. 04:36 PM - Paint Schemes (Larry)
39. 04:53 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (Greg Young)
40. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: Interior Paint (Tim Olson)
41. 05:00 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (Tim Olson)
42. 05:01 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (Larry)
43. 05:06 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (Jack Sparling)
44. 05:43 PM - fuselage (Sean Blair)
45. 05:58 PM - FW: Pictures of your RV-10 (Sean Blair)
46. 06:03 PM - Fuel Tank Dimple Dies (Droopy Erickson)
47. 06:14 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
48. 06:26 PM - Re: fuselage (John Hasbrouck)
49. 06:32 PM - Re: Throttle cable bracket (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
50. 06:39 PM - cleco link (Robert G. Wright)
51. 06:43 PM - Re: fuselage (Tim Olson)
52. 06:59 PM - Re: fuselage (Sean Blair)
53. 07:03 PM - Re: Lubes, etc (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Sean Blair)
54. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: Throttle cable bracket (Tim Olson)
55. 07:24 PM - Re: cleco link (Larry)
56. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Lubes, etc (linn walters)
57. 09:24 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Dimple Dies ()
58. 09:30 PM - Re: fuselage ()
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James,
Thanks for the input. My plan would definitely be to have the system
powered off the aircraft battery. I will probably have a backup battery,
like with a laptop, but not definitely. That would be what the Lowrance
1000 is for, if my electrical system goes out. I am thinking a
panel-mounted screen with a laptop or mini-computer running it. Laptops are
not subject to the same problems as PDA's in that area. If the battery dies
you don't lose your hard drive. You may lose something that you were
working on when it died, but the storage is non-volatile memory. PDA's
require some power to keep the volatile memory powered so as not to lose it
(at least most of the do). Laptops use non-volatile memory for storage (a
hard drive).
One issue that I am wondering about is the time required to boot up. I
imagine you probably don't need the GPS while you are doing your taxi and
runup, which would, in most cases, give the computer time to boot. With
basic software running, I would expect the computer to take 30 seconds to 1
minute to be ready to use. I don't imagine this would be too much of a
problem, but I could be wrong.
Is anybody familiar with Anywhere AI? Does Anywhere Map XP have a way of
having both the moving map and the attitude indicator on the same screen?
Now we're starting to talk about more of a primary flight instrument instead
of just navigation. Having a 12" LCD right in front of the pilot's face
with the backups off to the side is starting to sound good. I know you
would still need the Nav/Com's and stuff like that , but the radio stack
would still be in the middle of the panel somewhere.
Thanks for all the input so far!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Laura Riley
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
Jesse,
I have the Any Where Map system in my RV-6. It gives me a color moving map
on a Cassiopeia E-125. The software is nice; the symbology is good; and it
has some nice decluttering features. However, it has one major flaw, the
battery! When the battery goes, so does your software! Many times in the
taxi out to the runway, I've gone to power it up only to find the main
battery had died, and the backup (watch style) battery was dead and my
software was gone! The Cassiopeia would turn on because of the planes 12V
power. However, the system was worthless without the SOFTWARE.
I know Control Vision is using many different PDA's these days, but they are
all susceptible to this. The PDA wasn't designed to run for hours on end
while being plugged in your aircrafts 12V power supply. They are meant to
be charged over night and run off of the battery until the battery is close
to being dead. This keeps the battery in good shape. If you constantly run
the PDA off of the aircrafts 12V, the battery develops a memory, which
shortens its life. After that, it constantly drains your back-up battery,
leading to dumped software.
Maybe it's different with the laptop computers, I don't know. But, my money
for the -10 is going into a dedicated aircraft navigation system. It's just
too important to mess around with.
My two cents,
Jim Riley
#40191 Wings
I have been thinking a lot about the possibilities of using software like
Anywhere Map and their Anywhere WX options on a laptop or
panel-mounted LCD
screen to have good, high-detail moving map and weather in the
cockpit. It
looks like this can be done for about $3,000 plus a monthly
subscription to
the XM Weather plan. Is anybody else planning on doing this? Does
anybody
else have experience with this or any other similar system? I would
rather
pay $3,000 and have the flexibility that this would offer than pay
$5,000-6,000 for the upgrade for my Garmin 430. It would also allow
me to
take the system with me in other planes if there was room. Also, a
12"
screen dedicated to map and weather would be very nice to look at, and
it
could play DVD's or could be used for catching up on the RV-10 list
e-mails
while the TruTrak is in control.
Any thoughts, warnings, encouragement, etc is welcome!
Does anybody know the serial number of the 3rd -10 flying? This
definitely
seems like it is going to be the year of the -10.
Jesse Saint
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| Subject: | Re: QB Fuselage Temp Rivets (fuel pump) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Marcus,
I've not really done any research into the fuel pumps, so I
can't tell you if I got a good one, or not. But, if you
turn to the pages in the plans that have fuel lines on them,
they'll point out the Van's pump. ES Airflow Fuel Pump,
ES Airflow Fuel Filter, and they have the Fuel Totalizer there
as well, but you usually get that with your EIS I'm told.
I verified that yes, in my case with the Chelton, I'd get it
with my Grand Rapids EIS....so I'm currently working to get
that piece delivered a.s.a.p. so I'm not held up for too
long in running my fuel lines. That kind of thing will really
hold you back. In fact, delivery of avionics in general will
likely run 4-8 weeks in some cases, so you may as well pin down
which EIS you're going to use and start buying....or if nothing
else, just purchase the fuel flow transducer and don't buy
it with the EIS. Either way, like I mentioned, it's actually
time to start finalizing at least some things in regards to
your panel....this stuff sneaks up on you.
Oh, and the engine choice....another one to probably get
hammered out too. If you don't, then some of these fuel
components might have to be changed. You don't use the
same fuel valve with the Continental. I'd just decide
and commit.
I just KNEW that the timing was such that I was going to be
short-sold on my engine. ;) Here you're telling me that
even AeroSport plans to have the new ECI Kit shortly after
OSH. Heck, I'll be picking up my probably more expensive
AeroSport engine AT OSH! (for those who are going, my engine
is their IO-540 demo engine this year). Not only that, but
I heard from someone else that Lycoming themselves are now
about to launch 4 new engines that are for Homebuilts only,
to get into this non-certified market....including an IO-540
model, that will be at a lower cost. If Van's can sell the
current Lycoming Factory IO-540 for around $39K, I wonder
how much this experimental version will save. I bet it'll
save a good couple thousand. I'll just be hoping that
y'all have to pay top dollar for them there engines so that
I don't feel so hosed buy buying my "rebuilt" from
Aerosport. <G> ;)
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
Marcus Cooper wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> Tim,
> Awesome response, thanks for all the information and ideas. You do bring
> up another question in a follow up post though. What kind of fuel pump are
> you using? I had an IO-540 on my Skybolt and remember needing a high
> pressure pump vs the MUCH cheaper Facet pump for the carbureted engines. I
> am leaning toward an IO-540 for this as well (AeroSport plans to have the
> new kit Lycoming shortly after Oshkosh this year).
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Fuselage Temp Rivets
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hey Marcus, I was in the exact same boat as you. Those directions just
> don't give you a good place to start. I'll tell you what, you will
> keep finding things that were left undone as you go through the
> instructions. My advice is this:
>
> Get a notebook in the shop with you. Go through the instructions page
> by page, at least looking at all of the diagrams and then your fuselage,
> even if you don't read all the steps. Then when you find a photo
> with something undone, write the page number and step number in the
> notebook, along with a note as to what it is. Just keeping going
> through page by page and about 1/2 way through the instructions you
> can just stop because not much will be done beyond that point.
> You'll find all sorts of things. Make sure you never cover up a hole
> with something you bolt or rivet on until you see that the item that
> might fill that hole under it was done. (remember the post from the
> other list member who had holes that hadn't been match drilled through
> his spar.
>
> It's much harder gettings started on this fuse without having
> a good order to follow, but after you get some of those little
> things done, it'll start to flow again.
>
> You are pretty much safe to pull all of those temporary rivets
> right away. I put some clecos in around the firewall where
> I removed the, but otherwise I removed all of those temporary
> rivets. YOu should also just remove all of them that hold your
> whole upper deck around the instrument panel, and remove the
> hole panel section. That will give you good access to the inside
> of the fuse, and you'll absolutely need that when it's time to
> run fuel lines, brake lines, rudder pedals, and those items.
>
> Under all of the floors you will find it isn't primed, so if
> you're a primer kind of guy, there's your chance. Also, if you
> plan to soundproof, NOW is the time to order your foam. I ordered
> 3 pieces of 4'x4' from aircraft spruce, and it looks like this
> will be just the right amount for most of this project. I may
> need a little more, and I may have some small scraps left over.
> I used 3/4" in the front, 1/2" in the middle, and 3/8" in the
> rear, but you could just as easily do something like 1/2" everywhere.
>
> Now is also the time to get yourself set up with the .311 or
> 7.9mm (I think that's right) for drilling the holes in the gear
> brackets. My friend who's has a mill just happened to have a
> .311 reamer around he could loan me...it's one size under .3125.
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> It's also time for you to get conduit lined up if you're planning
> to use some, and start thinking of where to place your antennas.
> If you're going to belly mount them, you'll probably want to be
> safe and add doublers. Not only that, but if you're going to
> belly mount them under the seats you're not going to have access
> for too long, so you may as well buy the antennas and get
> them there for drilling and fitting.
>
> As for how to work on the thing....I took the crate bottom,
> and cut it off just under the rear fuselage area. Then
> I used some of the lumber from the crate to beef up the
> area I cut, and I put 4 casters under the crate. Then I
> got some pallets to put under the tail. Now I can roll it around
> with a little help if needed.
>
> It won't be too long and you'll also need to start making some
> panel decisions, because you probably want to chop those ribs
> to fit your instruments before you mount that top deck again...
> and it won't take you too awful long to get to that step.
> I'm just now getting ready to paint my interior and then
> continue with the controls sections. After that, it's time
> to pull out that fiberglass top. With any luck, I'll have
> that lid on either just before or just after OSH....and then
> it'll be time for the doors and windows and painting later
> this summer.
>
> I hope that helps. If you check my page you'll see lots of
> photos of how I got started.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
> Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>>
>>I thought some of this had been covered before but I can't find it in the
>>archives, sorry if it's a repeat.
>>
>>I received my QB fuselage last week, and after finding out there aren't
>>separate instructions for the QB (just figure out what's already been done
>>and don't do it again), I'm at a brief pause. I'm considering going
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>>the whole thing and drill out all the soft rivets vs. starting at the
>>beginning of the instructions and drill out as required. Any pros or cons
>>for either option?
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>>Thanks,
>>Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: Anywhere MAP/WX |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I have just a couple of thought issues for you regarding the laptop
idea.
#1. How do you plan to do effective data entry and control in-flight?
Touch screens aren't cheap, and without having a keyboard laying around
the cockpit, it'll be tough. Also, PC's like to be run with a mouse.
What about that...sure you can use keyboard shortcuts, but now you're
thinking....."Hey, let's zoom out and look at my waypoints...is that
CTRL-Z-5 W, or what" This is especially true regarding using it
as a main EIS and Horizon instrument as you seem to be thinking of
maybe doing. Avionics are generally designed with very fast access
to critical function, quick buttons on the sides or bottom of the screen
for easy in-turbulence access, and things like that. I LOVE taking
a laptop with me everywhere, but using it in the cockpit would likely
be clumsy....and if you're flying IFR, I'd probably not even consider
it due to just these issues. For a secondary display that has
any absolutely non-critical info on it....(entertainment, or just
dedicating it to a constant map page), maybe I'd think about it. In
the end though, with Grand Rapids doing XM weather on screen for $1500,
the cost is getting good to just go with that kind of avionics to
begin with and having better function.
#2. I've heard that hard drives can crash easily and are only rated
to 10,000' due to the thin air. The heads float above the platters
on air, and above 10,000' they can drop real easily and scratch the
platter. Also just for environmental reasons, laptops are probably
less durable in the extreme heat/cold and possible moisture from heat
cycling as is a good sealed instrument. (Check out Direc2Avionics
Chelton video....pretty cool)
I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, or it's a bad idea. I mean,
these are individual's planes, you can do what you want. Just giving
you food for thought. For me though, I surely would never use it
as an attitude display. Flying IFR....."ooops, my horizon went out.
Quick, where's that keyboard. Honey, can you hit CTRL-ALT-Delete,
find the AnywhereAI task in the process list, highlight it and hit
'End task' for me. Then go START - PROGRAMS - Anywhere AI and load
it, and click 'initialize AI' for me?" (Not that these keyboard things
have anything to do with their real software.) Besides that, Bill
Gates is Mr. Blue Screen of Death himself. I'd prefer a less intensive
OS for the software running underneath my primary instruments.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jesse Saint wrote:
> James,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the input. My plan would definitely be to have the system
> powered off the aircraft battery. I will probably have a backup
> battery, like with a laptop, but not definitely. That would be what the
> Lowrance 1000 is for, if my electrical system goes out. I am thinking a
> panel-mounted screen with a laptop or mini-computer running it. Laptops
> are not subject to the same problems as PDAs in that area. If the
> battery dies you dont lose your hard drive. You may lose something
> that you were working on when it died, but the storage is non-volatile
> memory. PDAs require some power to keep the volatile memory powered so
> as not to lose it (at least most of the do). Laptops use non-volatile
> memory for storage (a hard drive).
>
>
>
> One issue that I am wondering about is the time required to boot up. I
> imagine you probably dont need the GPS while you are doing your taxi
> and runup, which would, in most cases, give the computer time to boot.
> With basic software running, I would expect the computer to take 30
> seconds to 1 minute to be ready to use. I dont imagine this would be
> too much of a problem, but I could be wrong.
>
>
>
> Is anybody familiar with Anywhere AI? Does Anywhere Map XP have a way
> of having both the moving map and the attitude indicator on the same
> screen? Now were starting to talk about more of a primary flight
> instrument instead of just navigation. Having a 12 LCD right in front
> of the pilots face with the backups off to the side is starting to
> sound good. I know you would still need the Nav/Coms and stuff like
> that , but the radio stack would still be in the middle of the panel
> somewhere.
>
>
>
> Thanks for all the input so far!
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>
> W: 352-465-4545
>
> C: 352-427-0285
>
> F: 815-377-3694
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *James Laura
> Riley
> *Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2005 12:33 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
>
>
>
> *Jesse,*
>
> * *
>
> *I have the Any Where Map system in my RV-6. It gives me a color moving map
on a Cassiopeia E-125. The software is nice; the symbology is good; and it has
some nice decluttering features. However, it has one major flaw, the battery!
When the battery goes, so does your software! Many times in the taxi out
to the runway, Ive gone to power it up only to find the main battery had died,
and the backup (watch style) battery was dead and my software was gone! The
Cassiopeia would turn on because of the planes 12V power. However, the system
was worthless without the SOFTWARE. *
>
> * *
>
> *I know Control Vision is using many different PDAs these days, but they are
all susceptible to this. The PDA wasnt designed to run for hours on end while
being plugged in your aircrafts 12V power supply. They are meant to be charged
over night and run off of the battery until the battery is close to being dead.
This keeps the battery in good shape. If you constantly run the PDA off
of the aircrafts 12V, the battery develops a memory, which shortens its life.
After that, it constantly drains your back-up battery, leading to dumped software.
*
>
> * *
>
> *Maybe its different with the laptop computers, I dont know. But, my money for
the -10 is going into a dedicated aircraft navigation system. Its just too
important to mess around with.*
>
> * *
>
> *My two cents,*
>
> * *
>
> *Jim Riley*
>
> *#40191 Wings *
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *I have been thinking a lot about the possibilities of using software like*
>
> * Anywhere Map and their Anywhere WX options on a laptop or panel-mounted
LCD*
>
> * screen to have good, high-detail moving map and weather in the cockpit.
It*
>
> * looks like this can be done for about $3,000 plus a monthly subscription
to*
>
> * the XM Weather plan. Is anybody else planning on doing this? Does anybody*
>
> * else have experience with this or any other similar system? I would rather*
>
> * pay $3,000 and have the flexibility that this would offer than pay*
>
> * $5,000-6,000 for the upgrade for my Garmin 430. It would also allow me
to*
>
> * take the system with me in other planes if there was room. Also, a 12"*
>
> * screen dedicated to map and weather would be very nice to look at, and
it*
>
> * could play DVD's or could be used for catching up on the RV-10 list e-mails*
>
> * while the TruTrak is in control.*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> * Any thoughts, warnings, encouragement, etc is welcome!*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> * Does anybody know the serial number of the 3rd -10 flying? This definitely*
>
> * seems like it is going to be the year of the -10.*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> * Jesse Saint*
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
For anyone thinking about using a PC up in the air, I can point you to a very good solution. My company is a VAR for a small touch screen unit that we use for plant floor applications. They are all solid state, no moving parts and run Windows XP Embedded. You can literally toss the thing around and no problem. Altitude is not a problem either. If you want to see more details go to http://www.xybernaut.com. The units are called an Atigo T. They're only about 3/4 of an inch thick and they have about an 8.5 inch LCD touch screen.
Not many people know about these and their worth looking into.
Kent Forsythe
40338
Elevators
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| Subject: | Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the RV-10 markings. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com>
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com
I just got this back from Gus at Van's. I have been looking for
the Indicated Airspeed with the RV-10 marking instead of the True
Airspeed one that Van's has had for a while now.
We have them in stock now, they just aren't on the website yet
IF UMA-16-310-261 MPH $156
IF UMA-16-310-262D MPH/KTS $165
IF UMA-16-311-242 KTS $156
IF UMA-16-311-242D KTS/MPH $165
Ray Doerr
40250
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| Subject: | Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the RV-10 markings. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Are these 3 1/4 inch or 2 1/4 inch? You'd think with all the EFISs these days,
Vans would start offering more 2 1/4 inch instruments for backups . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Subject: RV10-List: Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the RV-10
markings.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com>
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com
I just got this back from Gus at Van's. I have been looking for
the Indicated Airspeed with the RV-10 marking instead of the True
Airspeed one that Van's has had for a while now.
We have them in stock now, they just aren't on the website yet
IF UMA-16-310-261 MPH $156
IF UMA-16-310-262D MPH/KTS $165
IF UMA-16-311-242 KTS $156
IF UMA-16-311-242D KTS/MPH $165
Ray Doerr
40250
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| From: | "Wayne @ Engravers.net" <wayne@engravers.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Anywhere MAP/WX |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Engravers.net" <wayne@engravers.net>
I have just one thing to add to the well thought out comment by Tim Olson.
Why would anyone trust their life on the assumption that any program running
under the Windows operating system will be working when they NEED it?
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I have just a couple of thought issues for you regarding the laptop
> idea.
>
> #1. How do you plan to do effective data entry and control in-flight?
> Touch screens aren't cheap, and without having a keyboard laying around
> the cockpit, it'll be tough. Also, PC's like to be run with a mouse.
> What about that...sure you can use keyboard shortcuts, but now you're
> thinking....."Hey, let's zoom out and look at my waypoints...is that
> CTRL-Z-5 W, or what" This is especially true regarding using it
> as a main EIS and Horizon instrument as you seem to be thinking of
> maybe doing. Avionics are generally designed with very fast access
> to critical function, quick buttons on the sides or bottom of the screen
> for easy in-turbulence access, and things like that. I LOVE taking
> a laptop with me everywhere, but using it in the cockpit would likely
> be clumsy....and if you're flying IFR, I'd probably not even consider
> it due to just these issues. For a secondary display that has
> any absolutely non-critical info on it....(entertainment, or just
> dedicating it to a constant map page), maybe I'd think about it. In
> the end though, with Grand Rapids doing XM weather on screen for $1500,
> the cost is getting good to just go with that kind of avionics to
> begin with and having better function.
>
> #2. I've heard that hard drives can crash easily and are only rated
> to 10,000' due to the thin air. The heads float above the platters
> on air, and above 10,000' they can drop real easily and scratch the
> platter. Also just for environmental reasons, laptops are probably
> less durable in the extreme heat/cold and possible moisture from heat
> cycling as is a good sealed instrument. (Check out Direc2Avionics
> Chelton video....pretty cool)
>
> I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, or it's a bad idea. I mean,
> these are individual's planes, you can do what you want. Just giving
> you food for thought. For me though, I surely would never use it
> as an attitude display. Flying IFR....."ooops, my horizon went out.
> Quick, where's that keyboard. Honey, can you hit CTRL-ALT-Delete,
> find the AnywhereAI task in the process list, highlight it and hit
> 'End task' for me. Then go START - PROGRAMS - Anywhere AI and load
> it, and click 'initialize AI' for me?" (Not that these keyboard things
> have anything to do with their real software.) Besides that, Bill
> Gates is Mr. Blue Screen of Death himself. I'd prefer a less intensive
> OS for the software running underneath my primary instruments.
>
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Jesse Saint wrote:
>> James,
>>
>> Thanks for the input. My plan would definitely be to have the system
>> powered off the aircraft battery. I will probably have a backup battery,
>> like with a laptop, but not definitely. That would be what the Lowrance
>> 1000 is for, if my electrical system goes out. I am thinking a
>> panel-mounted screen with a laptop or mini-computer running it. Laptops
>> are not subject to the same problems as PDAs in that area. If the
>> battery dies you dont lose your hard drive. You may lose something that
>> you were working on when it died, but the storage is non-volatile memory.
>> PDAs require some power to keep the volatile memory powered so as not to
>> lose it (at least most of the do). Laptops use non-volatile memory for
>> storage (a hard drive).
>>
>> One issue that I am wondering about is the time required to boot up. I
>> imagine you probably dont need the GPS while you are doing your taxi and
>> runup, which would, in most cases, give the computer time to boot. With
>> basic software running, I would expect the computer to take 30 seconds to
>> 1 minute to be ready to use. I dont imagine this would be too much of a
>> problem, but I could be wrong.
>>
>> Is anybody familiar with Anywhere AI? Does Anywhere Map XP have a way
>> of having both the moving map and the attitude indicator on the same
>> screen? Now were starting to talk about more of a primary flight
>> instrument instead of just navigation. Having a 12 LCD right in front
>> of the pilots face with the backups off to the side is starting to sound
>> good. I know you would still need the Nav/Coms and stuff like that ,
>> but the radio stack would still be in the middle of the panel somewhere.
>>
>> Thanks for all the input so far!
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>>
>> I-TEC, Inc.
>>
>> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>>
>> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>>
>> W: 352-465-4545
>>
>> C: 352-427-0285
>>
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *James Laura
>> Riley
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2005 12:33 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
>>
>> *Jesse,*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *I have the Any Where Map system in my RV-6. It gives me a color moving
>> map on a Cassiopeia E-125. The software is nice; the symbology is good;
>> and it has some nice decluttering features. However, it has one major
>> flaw, the battery! When the battery goes, so does your software! Many
>> times in the taxi out to the runway, Ive gone to power it up only to
>> find the main battery had died, and the backup (watch style) battery was
>> dead and my software was gone! The Cassiopeia would turn on because of
>> the planes 12V power. However, the system was worthless without the
>> SOFTWARE. *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *I know Control Vision is using many different PDAs these days, but they
>> are all susceptible to this. The PDA wasnt designed to run for hours on
>> end while being plugged in your aircrafts 12V power supply. They are
>> meant to be charged over night and run off of the battery until the
>> battery is close to being dead. This keeps the battery in good shape.
>> If you constantly run the PDA off of the aircrafts 12V, the battery
>> develops a memory, which shortens its life. After that, it constantly
>> drains your back-up battery, leading to dumped software. *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Maybe its different with the laptop computers, I dont know. But, my
>> money for the -10 is going into a dedicated aircraft navigation system.
>> Its just too important to mess around with.*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *My two cents,*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Jim Riley*
>>
>> *#40191 Wings *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *I have been thinking a lot about the possibilities of using software
>> like*
>>
>> * Anywhere Map and their Anywhere WX options on a laptop or
>> panel-mounted LCD*
>>
>> * screen to have good, high-detail moving map and weather in the
>> cockpit. It*
>>
>> * looks like this can be done for about $3,000 plus a monthly
>> subscription to*
>>
>> * the XM Weather plan. Is anybody else planning on doing this?
>> Does anybody*
>>
>> * else have experience with this or any other similar system? I
>> would rather*
>>
>> * pay $3,000 and have the flexibility that this would offer than
>> pay*
>>
>> * $5,000-6,000 for the upgrade for my Garmin 430. It would also
>> allow me to*
>>
>> * take the system with me in other planes if there was room. Also,
>> a 12"*
>>
>> * screen dedicated to map and weather would be very nice to look at,
>> and it*
>>
>> * could play DVD's or could be used for catching up on the RV-10
>> list e-mails*
>>
>> * while the TruTrak is in control.*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> * Any thoughts, warnings, encouragement, etc is welcome!*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> * Does anybody know the serial number of the 3rd -10 flying? This
>> definitely*
>>
>> * seems like it is going to be the year of the -10.*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> * Jesse Saint*
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anywhere MAP/WX |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider" <glastar@gmx.net>
Wayne,
did you ever see the MX-20 booting?! They are using a NT Kernel on this
part, which is fine, as the Kernel is stable, but all the fancy gimmicks and
not enough tested SW does make what Windows is famouse for (However it got
better) but who does write aviation software for Mac's and Linux??
Werner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne @ Engravers.net" <wayne@engravers.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Engravers.net"
<wayne@engravers.net>
>
> I have just one thing to add to the well thought out comment by Tim Olson.
> Why would anyone trust their life on the assumption that any program
running
> under the Windows operating system will be working when they NEED it?
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> > I have just a couple of thought issues for you regarding the laptop
> > idea.
> >
> > #1. How do you plan to do effective data entry and control in-flight?
> > Touch screens aren't cheap, and without having a keyboard laying around
> > the cockpit, it'll be tough. Also, PC's like to be run with a mouse.
> > What about that...sure you can use keyboard shortcuts, but now you're
> > thinking....."Hey, let's zoom out and look at my waypoints...is that
> > CTRL-Z-5 W, or what" This is especially true regarding using it
> > as a main EIS and Horizon instrument as you seem to be thinking of
> > maybe doing. Avionics are generally designed with very fast access
> > to critical function, quick buttons on the sides or bottom of the screen
> > for easy in-turbulence access, and things like that. I LOVE taking
> > a laptop with me everywhere, but using it in the cockpit would likely
> > be clumsy....and if you're flying IFR, I'd probably not even consider
> > it due to just these issues. For a secondary display that has
> > any absolutely non-critical info on it....(entertainment, or just
> > dedicating it to a constant map page), maybe I'd think about it. In
> > the end though, with Grand Rapids doing XM weather on screen for $1500,
> > the cost is getting good to just go with that kind of avionics to
> > begin with and having better function.
> >
> > #2. I've heard that hard drives can crash easily and are only rated
> > to 10,000' due to the thin air. The heads float above the platters
> > on air, and above 10,000' they can drop real easily and scratch the
> > platter. Also just for environmental reasons, laptops are probably
> > less durable in the extreme heat/cold and possible moisture from heat
> > cycling as is a good sealed instrument. (Check out Direc2Avionics
> > Chelton video....pretty cool)
> >
> > I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, or it's a bad idea. I mean,
> > these are individual's planes, you can do what you want. Just giving
> > you food for thought. For me though, I surely would never use it
> > as an attitude display. Flying IFR....."ooops, my horizon went out.
> > Quick, where's that keyboard. Honey, can you hit CTRL-ALT-Delete,
> > find the AnywhereAI task in the process list, highlight it and hit
> > 'End task' for me. Then go START - PROGRAMS - Anywhere AI and load
> > it, and click 'initialize AI' for me?" (Not that these keyboard things
> > have anything to do with their real software.) Besides that, Bill
> > Gates is Mr. Blue Screen of Death himself. I'd prefer a less intensive
> > OS for the software running underneath my primary instruments.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> > Current project: Fuselage
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
> > Jesse Saint wrote:
> >> James,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the input. My plan would definitely be to have the system
> >> powered off the aircraft battery. I will probably have a backup
battery,
> >> like with a laptop, but not definitely. That would be what the
Lowrance
> >> 1000 is for, if my electrical system goes out. I am thinking a
> >> panel-mounted screen with a laptop or mini-computer running it.
Laptops
> >> are not subject to the same problems as PDAs in that area. If the
> >> battery dies you dont lose your hard drive. You may lose something
that
> >> you were working on when it died, but the storage is non-volatile
memory.
> >> PDAs require some power to keep the volatile memory powered so as not
to
> >> lose it (at least most of the do). Laptops use non-volatile memory for
> >> storage (a hard drive).
> >>
> >> One issue that I am wondering about is the time required to boot up.
I
> >> imagine you probably dont need the GPS while you are doing your taxi
and
> >> runup, which would, in most cases, give the computer time to boot.
With
> >> basic software running, I would expect the computer to take 30 seconds
to
> >> 1 minute to be ready to use. I dont imagine this would be too much of
a
> >> problem, but I could be wrong.
> >>
> >> Is anybody familiar with Anywhere AI? Does Anywhere Map XP have a way
> >> of having both the moving map and the attitude indicator on the same
> >> screen? Now were starting to talk about more of a primary flight
> >> instrument instead of just navigation. Having a 12 LCD right in front
> >> of the pilots face with the backups off to the side is starting to
sound
> >> good. I know you would still need the Nav/Coms and stuff like that ,
> >> but the radio stack would still be in the middle of the panel
somewhere.
> >>
> >> Thanks for all the input so far!
> >>
> >> Jesse Saint
> >>
> >> I-TEC, Inc.
> >>
> >> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
> >>
> >> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
> >>
> >> W: 352-465-4545
> >>
> >> C: 352-427-0285
> >>
> >> F: 815-377-3694
> >>
>
> >>
> >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *James
Laura
> >> Riley
> >> *Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2005 12:33 AM
> >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
> >>
> >> *Jesse,*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *I have the Any Where Map system in my RV-6. It gives me a color
moving
> >> map on a Cassiopeia E-125. The software is nice; the symbology is
good;
> >> and it has some nice decluttering features. However, it has one major
> >> flaw, the battery! When the battery goes, so does your software! Many
> >> times in the taxi out to the runway, Ive gone to power it up only to
> >> find the main battery had died, and the backup (watch style) battery
was
> >> dead and my software was gone! The Cassiopeia would turn on because of
> >> the planes 12V power. However, the system was worthless without the
> >> SOFTWARE. *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *I know Control Vision is using many different PDAs these days, but
they
> >> are all susceptible to this. The PDA wasnt designed to run for hours
on
> >> end while being plugged in your aircrafts 12V power supply. They are
> >> meant to be charged over night and run off of the battery until the
> >> battery is close to being dead. This keeps the battery in good shape.
> >> If you constantly run the PDA off of the aircrafts 12V, the battery
> >> develops a memory, which shortens its life. After that, it constantly
> >> drains your back-up battery, leading to dumped software. *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *Maybe its different with the laptop computers, I dont know. But, my
> >> money for the -10 is going into a dedicated aircraft navigation system.
> >> Its just too important to mess around with.*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *My two cents,*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *Jim Riley*
> >>
> >> *#40191 Wings *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *I have been thinking a lot about the possibilities of using software
> >> like*
> >>
> >> * Anywhere Map and their Anywhere WX options on a laptop or
> >> panel-mounted LCD*
> >>
> >> * screen to have good, high-detail moving map and weather in the
> >> cockpit. It*
> >>
> >> * looks like this can be done for about $3,000 plus a monthly
> >> subscription to*
> >>
> >> * the XM Weather plan. Is anybody else planning on doing this?
> >> Does anybody*
> >>
> >> * else have experience with this or any other similar system? I
> >> would rather*
> >>
> >> * pay $3,000 and have the flexibility that this would offer than
> >> pay*
> >>
> >> * $5,000-6,000 for the upgrade for my Garmin 430. It would also
> >> allow me to*
> >>
> >> * take the system with me in other planes if there was room.
Also,
> >> a 12"*
> >>
> >> * screen dedicated to map and weather would be very nice to look
at,
> >> and it*
> >>
> >> * could play DVD's or could be used for catching up on the RV-10
> >> list e-mails*
> >>
> >> * while the TruTrak is in control.*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * Any thoughts, warnings, encouragement, etc is welcome!*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * Does anybody know the serial number of the 3rd -10 flying? This
> >> definitely*
> >>
> >> * seems like it is going to be the year of the -10.*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * Jesse Saint*
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Beating Engine Mount into Submission |
I didn't have to do any drilling at all. I just had a couple of guys
help my pull on it while I put the bolt through.
You would be amazed at how far you can actually bend the engine mount.
When I first put it on, I was off by the whole hole on one side and on
the bottom. But a little bit of brute force from a couple of strong
guys will pull it right in.
Scott Schmidt
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
________________________________
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Beating Engine Mount into Submission
Ahn, I didn't have to do much but run a tapered drift punch into the
holes to help line them up. Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of DejaVu
Subject: RV10-List: Beating Engine Mount into Submission
Is the engine mount similar to the gear mounts where I can expect to
beat it into submission?
There are six 3/16 holes on the firewall - the 4 corners and the bottom
center two. So far I have final-drilled the top right corner hole
(looking at the firewall from the front of the plane) and getting ready
to match-drill the rest. Aligning the mount as best as I can and
looking into each of the remaining holes clockwise starting with the
bottom right corner, that one lines up fairly well. The 3/16" firewall
holes of the two center ones, bottom left corner, and top left corner
are respectively at 7, 8, 9, and 10 o'clock of the engine mount holes.
All sit inside of the engine mount holes except for the bottom center
two holes.
Looking at the engine mount I can only see the top left corner hole of
the engine mount giving.
How much have others had to beat the engine mount into submission?
Anh
#141
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markings.
| Subject: | Re: Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the RV-10 |
markings.
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hi Tim,
I emailed Ray the same question and he told me they're 3 1/8".
That's unfortunate because I'm shopping for 2 1/4" because
in my last and final panel revision I found that the 2 1/4"
just fit so much better.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/20050602/RV200506020023.html
If anyone knows of a source for quality 2-1/4" round airspeed
an 2 arm altimeters, let me know. I'd prefer airspeed in KTS
only.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> Are these 3 1/4 inch or 2 1/4 inch? You'd think with all the EFISs these days,
Vans would start offering more 2 1/4 inch instruments for backups . . .
>
> TDT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
> [NTK]
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:55 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the RV-10
> markings.
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com>
>
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> CDNI Principal Engineer
> Sprint PCS
> 16020 West 113th Street
> Lenexa, KS 66219
> Mailstop KSLNXK0101
> (913) 859-1414 (Office)
> (913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
> (913) 859-1234 (Fax)
> Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com
>
> I just got this back from Gus at Van's. I have been looking for
> the Indicated Airspeed with the RV-10 marking instead of the True
> Airspeed one that Van's has had for a while now.
>
>
>
> We have them in stock now, they just aren't on the website yet
>
> IF UMA-16-310-261 MPH $156
> IF UMA-16-310-262D MPH/KTS $165
> IF UMA-16-311-242 KTS $156
> IF UMA-16-311-242D KTS/MPH $165
>
>
> Ray Doerr
> 40250
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Just drop Linux on it and continue on.
It's not the hardware that is the problem.
Jim C
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Wayne @ Engravers.net" <wayne@engravers.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Engravers.net" <wayne@engravers.net>
I have just one thing to add to the well thought out comment by Tim Olson.
Why would anyone trust their life on the assumption that any program running
under the Windows operating system will be working when they NEED it?
Wayne
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Werner has a well taken point there. The core Kernel is probably
fine. It's when you try to add all of the drivers, add-on
modules, internet explorer, and all that things get less
reliable. I think there may be a linux based PC EFIS out
there if I remember right. That's the nice thing about Linux
based systems is that you can easily trim the kernel down
to bare necessity, and not add any more functionality than
is required and keep it fast and stable. Most little appliance
type items are running embedded linux these days, like network
firewalls, and even my little MediaMVP entertainment video player.
I don't have a problem trusting avionics running any OS's
streamlined special system. It's when you load the whole OS
onto the PC that I'd start to consider it a secondary unit only.
Tim
Werner Schneider wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider" <glastar@gmx.net>
>
> Wayne,
>
> did you ever see the MX-20 booting?! They are using a NT Kernel on this
> part, which is fine, as the Kernel is stable, but all the fancy gimmicks and
> not enough tested SW does make what Windows is famouse for (However it got
> better) but who does write aviation software for Mac's and Linux??
>
> Werner
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wayne @ Engravers.net" <wayne@engravers.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Engravers.net"
>
> <wayne@engravers.net>
>
>>I have just one thing to add to the well thought out comment by Tim Olson.
>>Why would anyone trust their life on the assumption that any program
>
> running
>
>>under the Windows operating system will be working when they NEED it?
>>
>>
>>Wayne
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:47 AM
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>
>>>I have just a couple of thought issues for you regarding the laptop
>>>idea.
>>>
>>>#1. How do you plan to do effective data entry and control in-flight?
>>>Touch screens aren't cheap, and without having a keyboard laying around
>>>the cockpit, it'll be tough. Also, PC's like to be run with a mouse.
>>>What about that...sure you can use keyboard shortcuts, but now you're
>>>thinking....."Hey, let's zoom out and look at my waypoints...is that
>>>CTRL-Z-5 W, or what" This is especially true regarding using it
>>>as a main EIS and Horizon instrument as you seem to be thinking of
>>>maybe doing. Avionics are generally designed with very fast access
>>>to critical function, quick buttons on the sides or bottom of the screen
>>>for easy in-turbulence access, and things like that. I LOVE taking
>>>a laptop with me everywhere, but using it in the cockpit would likely
>>>be clumsy....and if you're flying IFR, I'd probably not even consider
>>>it due to just these issues. For a secondary display that has
>>>any absolutely non-critical info on it....(entertainment, or just
>>>dedicating it to a constant map page), maybe I'd think about it. In
>>>the end though, with Grand Rapids doing XM weather on screen for $1500,
>>>the cost is getting good to just go with that kind of avionics to
>>>begin with and having better function.
>>>
>>>#2. I've heard that hard drives can crash easily and are only rated
>>>to 10,000' due to the thin air. The heads float above the platters
>>>on air, and above 10,000' they can drop real easily and scratch the
>>>platter. Also just for environmental reasons, laptops are probably
>>>less durable in the extreme heat/cold and possible moisture from heat
>>>cycling as is a good sealed instrument. (Check out Direc2Avionics
>>>Chelton video....pretty cool)
>>>
>>>I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, or it's a bad idea. I mean,
>>>these are individual's planes, you can do what you want. Just giving
>>>you food for thought. For me though, I surely would never use it
>>>as an attitude display. Flying IFR....."ooops, my horizon went out.
>>>Quick, where's that keyboard. Honey, can you hit CTRL-ALT-Delete,
>>>find the AnywhereAI task in the process list, highlight it and hit
>>>'End task' for me. Then go START - PROGRAMS - Anywhere AI and load
>>>it, and click 'initialize AI' for me?" (Not that these keyboard things
>>>have anything to do with their real software.) Besides that, Bill
>>>Gates is Mr. Blue Screen of Death himself. I'd prefer a less intensive
>>>OS for the software running underneath my primary instruments.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>>>Current project: Fuselage
>>>
>>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>>
>>>
>>>Jesse Saint wrote:
>>>
>>>>James,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the input. My plan would definitely be to have the system
>>>>powered off the aircraft battery. I will probably have a backup
>
> battery,
>
>>>>like with a laptop, but not definitely. That would be what the
>
> Lowrance
>
>>>>1000 is for, if my electrical system goes out. I am thinking a
>>>>panel-mounted screen with a laptop or mini-computer running it.
>
> Laptops
>
>>>>are not subject to the same problems as PDAs in that area. If the
>>>>battery dies you dont lose your hard drive. You may lose something
>
> that
>
>>>>you were working on when it died, but the storage is non-volatile
>
> memory.
>
>>>>PDAs require some power to keep the volatile memory powered so as not
>
> to
>
>>>>lose it (at least most of the do). Laptops use non-volatile memory for
>>>>storage (a hard drive).
>>>>
>>>> One issue that I am wondering about is the time required to boot up.
>
> I
>
>>>>imagine you probably dont need the GPS while you are doing your taxi
>
> and
>
>>>>runup, which would, in most cases, give the computer time to boot.
>
> With
>
>>>>basic software running, I would expect the computer to take 30 seconds
>
> to
>
>>>>1 minute to be ready to use. I dont imagine this would be too much of
>
> a
>
>>>>problem, but I could be wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Is anybody familiar with Anywhere AI? Does Anywhere Map XP have a way
>>>>of having both the moving map and the attitude indicator on the same
>>>>screen? Now were starting to talk about more of a primary flight
>>>>instrument instead of just navigation. Having a 12 LCD right in front
>>>>of the pilots face with the backups off to the side is starting to
>
> sound
>
>>>>good. I know you would still need the Nav/Coms and stuff like that ,
>>>>but the radio stack would still be in the middle of the panel
>
> somewhere.
>
>>>> Thanks for all the input so far!
>>>>
>>>> Jesse Saint
>>>>
>>>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>>>>
>>>>www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>>>>
>>>>W: 352-465-4545
>>>>
>>>>C: 352-427-0285
>>>>
>>>>F: 815-377-3694
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>>>*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *James
>
> Laura
>
>>>>Riley
>>>>*Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2005 12:33 AM
>>>>*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
>>>>
>>>> *Jesse,*
>>>>
>>>>* *
>>>>
>>>>*I have the Any Where Map system in my RV-6. It gives me a color
>
> moving
>
>>>>map on a Cassiopeia E-125. The software is nice; the symbology is
>
> good;
>
>>>>and it has some nice decluttering features. However, it has one major
>>>>flaw, the battery! When the battery goes, so does your software! Many
>>>>times in the taxi out to the runway, Ive gone to power it up only to
>>>>find the main battery had died, and the backup (watch style) battery
>
> was
>
>>>>dead and my software was gone! The Cassiopeia would turn on because of
>>>>the planes 12V power. However, the system was worthless without the
>>>>SOFTWARE. *
>>>>
>>>>* *
>>>>
>>>>*I know Control Vision is using many different PDAs these days, but
>
> they
>
>>>>are all susceptible to this. The PDA wasnt designed to run for hours
>
> on
>
>>>>end while being plugged in your aircrafts 12V power supply. They are
>>>>meant to be charged over night and run off of the battery until the
>>>>battery is close to being dead. This keeps the battery in good shape.
>>>>If you constantly run the PDA off of the aircrafts 12V, the battery
>>>>develops a memory, which shortens its life. After that, it constantly
>>>>drains your back-up battery, leading to dumped software. *
>>>>
>>>>* *
>>>>
>>>>*Maybe its different with the laptop computers, I dont know. But, my
>>>>money for the -10 is going into a dedicated aircraft navigation system.
>>>>Its just too important to mess around with.*
>>>>
>>>>* *
>>>>
>>>>*My two cents,*
>>>>
>>>>* *
>>>>
>>>>*Jim Riley*
>>>>
>>>>*#40191 Wings *
>>>>
>>>>* *
>>>>
>>>>* *
>>>>
>>>>* *
>>>>
>>>>* *
>>>>
>>>>*I have been thinking a lot about the possibilities of using software
>>>>like*
>>>>
>>>>* Anywhere Map and their Anywhere WX options on a laptop or
>>>>panel-mounted LCD*
>>>>
>>>>* screen to have good, high-detail moving map and weather in the
>>>>cockpit. It*
>>>>
>>>>* looks like this can be done for about $3,000 plus a monthly
>>>>subscription to*
>>>>
>>>>* the XM Weather plan. Is anybody else planning on doing this?
>>>>Does anybody*
>>>>
>>>>* else have experience with this or any other similar system? I
>>>>would rather*
>>>>
>>>>* pay $3,000 and have the flexibility that this would offer than
>>>>pay*
>>>>
>>>>* $5,000-6,000 for the upgrade for my Garmin 430. It would also
>>>>allow me to*
>>>>
>>>>* take the system with me in other planes if there was room.
>
> Also,
>
>>>>a 12"*
>>>>
>>>>* screen dedicated to map and weather would be very nice to look
>
> at,
>
>>>>and it*
>>>>
>>>>* could play DVD's or could be used for catching up on the RV-10
>>>>list e-mails*
>>>>
>>>>* while the TruTrak is in control.*
>>>>
>>>>* *
>>>>
>>>>* *
>>>>
>>>>* Any thoughts, warnings, encouragement, etc is welcome!*
>>>>
>>>>* *
>>>>
>>>>* *
>>>>
>>>>* Does anybody know the serial number of the 3rd -10 flying? This
>>>>definitely*
>>>>
>>>>* seems like it is going to be the year of the -10.*
>>>>
>>>>* *
>>>>
>>>>* *
>>>>
>>>>* Jesse Saint*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Wayne,
Go check out OPENEFIS.ORG
I have screenshots on my website (Infra-Read.Com)
There is quite a bit of good open source software out there. Everything from moving
map, EFIS, Artificial Terrain, etc.
The main really critical part is a good AHRS (Artificial Horizon / Reference System).
GPS receivers are cheap (Less than 50$). PC hardware abounds for industrial
high brightness environments.
What GRT and the others offer is one-stop, tested unit, ready to ship for those
with the cash. You do get what you paid for. A tested drop-in solution.
For those willing to do a little searching and are not afraid of electronics and
software, there are other options.
I am very close to having to make those kind of decisions, so I am looking and
keeping an open mind. My money doesn't come free, so price is a significant factor
for me.
Oshkosh 2005 will be a serious hands on shopping event for me!
Jim Combs
#40192 - Fuselage
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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Werner Schneider" <glastar@gmx.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider" <glastar@gmx.net>
Wayne,
did you ever see the MX-20 booting?! They are using a NT Kernel on this
part, which is fine, as the Kernel is stable, but all the fancy gimmicks and
not enough tested SW does make what Windows is famouse for (However it got
better) but who does write aviation software for Mac's and Linux??
Werner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne @ Engravers.net" <wayne@engravers.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Engravers.net"
<wayne@engravers.net>
>
> I have just one thing to add to the well thought out comment by Tim Olson.
> Why would anyone trust their life on the assumption that any program
running
> under the Windows operating system will be working when they NEED it?
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> > I have just a couple of thought issues for you regarding the laptop
> > idea.
> >
> > #1. How do you plan to do effective data entry and control in-flight?
> > Touch screens aren't cheap, and without having a keyboard laying around
> > the cockpit, it'll be tough. Also, PC's like to be run with a mouse.
> > What about that...sure you can use keyboard shortcuts, but now you're
> > thinking....."Hey, let's zoom out and look at my waypoints...is that
> > CTRL-Z-5 W, or what" This is especially true regarding using it
> > as a main EIS and Horizon instrument as you seem to be thinking of
> > maybe doing. Avionics are generally designed with very fast access
> > to critical function, quick buttons on the sides or bottom of the screen
> > for easy in-turbulence access, and things like that. I LOVE taking
> > a laptop with me everywhere, but using it in the cockpit would likely
> > be clumsy....and if you're flying IFR, I'd probably not even consider
> > it due to just these issues. For a secondary display that has
> > any absolutely non-critical info on it....(entertainment, or just
> > dedicating it to a constant map page), maybe I'd think about it. In
> > the end though, with Grand Rapids doing XM weather on screen for $1500,
> > the cost is getting good to just go with that kind of avionics to
> > begin with and having better function.
> >
> > #2. I've heard that hard drives can crash easily and are only rated
> > to 10,000' due to the thin air. The heads float above the platters
> > on air, and above 10,000' they can drop real easily and scratch the
> > platter. Also just for environmental reasons, laptops are probably
> > less durable in the extreme heat/cold and possible moisture from heat
> > cycling as is a good sealed instrument. (Check out Direc2Avionics
> > Chelton video....pretty cool)
> >
> > I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, or it's a bad idea. I mean,
> > these are individual's planes, you can do what you want. Just giving
> > you food for thought. For me though, I surely would never use it
> > as an attitude display. Flying IFR....."ooops, my horizon went out.
> > Quick, where's that keyboard. Honey, can you hit CTRL-ALT-Delete,
> > find the AnywhereAI task in the process list, highlight it and hit
> > 'End task' for me. Then go START - PROGRAMS - Anywhere AI and load
> > it, and click 'initialize AI' for me?" (Not that these keyboard things
> > have anything to do with their real software.) Besides that, Bill
> > Gates is Mr. Blue Screen of Death himself. I'd prefer a less intensive
> > OS for the software running underneath my primary instruments.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> > Current project: Fuselage
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
> > Jesse Saint wrote:
> >> James,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the input. My plan would definitely be to have the system
> >> powered off the aircraft battery. I will probably have a backup
battery,
> >> like with a laptop, but not definitely. That would be what the
Lowrance
> >> 1000 is for, if my electrical system goes out. I am thinking a
> >> panel-mounted screen with a laptop or mini-computer running it.
Laptops
> >> are not subject to the same problems as PDAs in that area. If the
> >> battery dies you dont lose your hard drive. You may lose something
that
> >> you were working on when it died, but the storage is non-volatile
memory.
> >> PDAs require some power to keep the volatile memory powered so as not
to
> >> lose it (at least most of the do). Laptops use non-volatile memory for
> >> storage (a hard drive).
> >>
> >> One issue that I am wondering about is the time required to boot up.
I
> >> imagine you probably dont need the GPS while you are doing your taxi
and
> >> runup, which would, in most cases, give the computer time to boot.
With
> >> basic software running, I would expect the computer to take 30 seconds
to
> >> 1 minute to be ready to use. I dont imagine this would be too much of
a
> >> problem, but I could be wrong.
> >>
> >> Is anybody familiar with Anywhere AI? Does Anywhere Map XP have a way
> >> of having both the moving map and the attitude indicator on the same
> >> screen? Now were starting to talk about more of a primary flight
> >> instrument instead of just navigation. Having a 12 LCD right in front
> >> of the pilots face with the backups off to the side is starting to
sound
> >> good. I know you would still need the Nav/Coms and stuff like that ,
> >> but the radio stack would still be in the middle of the panel
somewhere.
> >>
> >> Thanks for all the input so far!
> >>
> >> Jesse Saint
> >>
> >> I-TEC, Inc.
> >>
> >> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
> >>
> >> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
> >>
> >> W: 352-465-4545
> >>
> >> C: 352-427-0285
> >>
> >> F: 815-377-3694
> >>
>
> >>
> >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *James
Laura
> >> Riley
> >> *Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2005 12:33 AM
> >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
> >>
> >> *Jesse,*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *I have the Any Where Map system in my RV-6. It gives me a color
moving
> >> map on a Cassiopeia E-125. The software is nice; the symbology is
good;
> >> and it has some nice decluttering features. However, it has one major
> >> flaw, the battery! When the battery goes, so does your software! Many
> >> times in the taxi out to the runway, Ive gone to power it up only to
> >> find the main battery had died, and the backup (watch style) battery
was
> >> dead and my software was gone! The Cassiopeia would turn on because of
> >> the planes 12V power. However, the system was worthless without the
> >> SOFTWARE. *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *I know Control Vision is using many different PDAs these days, but
they
> >> are all susceptible to this. The PDA wasnt designed to run for hours
on
> >> end while being plugged in your aircrafts 12V power supply. They are
> >> meant to be charged over night and run off of the battery until the
> >> battery is close to being dead. This keeps the battery in good shape.
> >> If you constantly run the PDA off of the aircrafts 12V, the battery
> >> develops a memory, which shortens its life. After that, it constantly
> >> drains your back-up battery, leading to dumped software. *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *Maybe its different with the laptop computers, I dont know. But, my
> >> money for the -10 is going into a dedicated aircraft navigation system.
> >> Its just too important to mess around with.*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *My two cents,*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *Jim Riley*
> >>
> >> *#40191 Wings *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *I have been thinking a lot about the possibilities of using software
> >> like*
> >>
> >> * Anywhere Map and their Anywhere WX options on a laptop or
> >> panel-mounted LCD*
> >>
> >> * screen to have good, high-detail moving map and weather in the
> >> cockpit. It*
> >>
> >> * looks like this can be done for about $3,000 plus a monthly
> >> subscription to*
> >>
> >> * the XM Weather plan. Is anybody else planning on doing this?
> >> Does anybody*
> >>
> >> * else have experience with this or any other similar system? I
> >> would rather*
> >>
> >> * pay $3,000 and have the flexibility that this would offer than
> >> pay*
> >>
> >> * $5,000-6,000 for the upgrade for my Garmin 430. It would also
> >> allow me to*
> >>
> >> * take the system with me in other planes if there was room.
Also,
> >> a 12"*
> >>
> >> * screen dedicated to map and weather would be very nice to look
at,
> >> and it*
> >>
> >> * could play DVD's or could be used for catching up on the RV-10
> >> list e-mails*
> >>
> >> * while the TruTrak is in control.*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * Any thoughts, warnings, encouragement, etc is welcome!*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * Does anybody know the serial number of the 3rd -10 flying? This
> >> definitely*
> >>
> >> * seems like it is going to be the year of the -10.*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * Jesse Saint*
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the RV-10 markings. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
We're getting a UMA 2 1/4" unit through Wicks. UMA will custom paint airspeeds
for you, too, if you want . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the
RV-10 markings.
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hi Tim,
I emailed Ray the same question and he told me they're 3 1/8".
That's unfortunate because I'm shopping for 2 1/4" because
in my last and final panel revision I found that the 2 1/4"
just fit so much better.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/20050602/RV200506020023.html
If anyone knows of a source for quality 2-1/4" round airspeed
an 2 arm altimeters, let me know. I'd prefer airspeed in KTS
only.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> Are these 3 1/4 inch or 2 1/4 inch? You'd think with all the EFISs these days,
Vans would start offering more 2 1/4 inch instruments for backups . . .
>
> TDT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
> [NTK]
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:55 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the RV-10
> markings.
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com>
>
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> CDNI Principal Engineer
> Sprint PCS
> 16020 West 113th Street
> Lenexa, KS 66219
> Mailstop KSLNXK0101
> (913) 859-1414 (Office)
> (913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
> (913) 859-1234 (Fax)
> Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com
>
> I just got this back from Gus at Van's. I have been looking for
> the Indicated Airspeed with the RV-10 marking instead of the True
> Airspeed one that Van's has had for a while now.
>
>
>
> We have them in stock now, they just aren't on the website yet
>
> IF UMA-16-310-261 MPH $156
> IF UMA-16-310-262D MPH/KTS $165
> IF UMA-16-311-242 KTS $156
> IF UMA-16-311-242D KTS/MPH $165
>
>
> Ray Doerr
> 40250
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Probably using NT Embedded, which has a lot of the worst Windows crap stripped
out . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Werner
Schneider
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider" <glastar@gmx.net>
Wayne,
did you ever see the MX-20 booting?! They are using a NT Kernel on this
part, which is fine, as the Kernel is stable, but all the fancy gimmicks and
not enough tested SW does make what Windows is famouse for (However it got
better) but who does write aviation software for Mac's and Linux??
Werner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne @ Engravers.net" <wayne@engravers.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Engravers.net"
<wayne@engravers.net>
>
> I have just one thing to add to the well thought out comment by Tim Olson.
> Why would anyone trust their life on the assumption that any program
running
> under the Windows operating system will be working when they NEED it?
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> > I have just a couple of thought issues for you regarding the laptop
> > idea.
> >
> > #1. How do you plan to do effective data entry and control in-flight?
> > Touch screens aren't cheap, and without having a keyboard laying around
> > the cockpit, it'll be tough. Also, PC's like to be run with a mouse.
> > What about that...sure you can use keyboard shortcuts, but now you're
> > thinking....."Hey, let's zoom out and look at my waypoints...is that
> > CTRL-Z-5 W, or what" This is especially true regarding using it
> > as a main EIS and Horizon instrument as you seem to be thinking of
> > maybe doing. Avionics are generally designed with very fast access
> > to critical function, quick buttons on the sides or bottom of the screen
> > for easy in-turbulence access, and things like that. I LOVE taking
> > a laptop with me everywhere, but using it in the cockpit would likely
> > be clumsy....and if you're flying IFR, I'd probably not even consider
> > it due to just these issues. For a secondary display that has
> > any absolutely non-critical info on it....(entertainment, or just
> > dedicating it to a constant map page), maybe I'd think about it. In
> > the end though, with Grand Rapids doing XM weather on screen for $1500,
> > the cost is getting good to just go with that kind of avionics to
> > begin with and having better function.
> >
> > #2. I've heard that hard drives can crash easily and are only rated
> > to 10,000' due to the thin air. The heads float above the platters
> > on air, and above 10,000' they can drop real easily and scratch the
> > platter. Also just for environmental reasons, laptops are probably
> > less durable in the extreme heat/cold and possible moisture from heat
> > cycling as is a good sealed instrument. (Check out Direc2Avionics
> > Chelton video....pretty cool)
> >
> > I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, or it's a bad idea. I mean,
> > these are individual's planes, you can do what you want. Just giving
> > you food for thought. For me though, I surely would never use it
> > as an attitude display. Flying IFR....."ooops, my horizon went out.
> > Quick, where's that keyboard. Honey, can you hit CTRL-ALT-Delete,
> > find the AnywhereAI task in the process list, highlight it and hit
> > 'End task' for me. Then go START - PROGRAMS - Anywhere AI and load
> > it, and click 'initialize AI' for me?" (Not that these keyboard things
> > have anything to do with their real software.) Besides that, Bill
> > Gates is Mr. Blue Screen of Death himself. I'd prefer a less intensive
> > OS for the software running underneath my primary instruments.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> > Current project: Fuselage
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
> > Jesse Saint wrote:
> >> James,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the input. My plan would definitely be to have the system
> >> powered off the aircraft battery. I will probably have a backup
battery,
> >> like with a laptop, but not definitely. That would be what the
Lowrance
> >> 1000 is for, if my electrical system goes out. I am thinking a
> >> panel-mounted screen with a laptop or mini-computer running it.
Laptops
> >> are not subject to the same problems as PDAs in that area. If the
> >> battery dies you dont lose your hard drive. You may lose something
that
> >> you were working on when it died, but the storage is non-volatile
memory.
> >> PDAs require some power to keep the volatile memory powered so as not
to
> >> lose it (at least most of the do). Laptops use non-volatile memory for
> >> storage (a hard drive).
> >>
> >> One issue that I am wondering about is the time required to boot up.
I
> >> imagine you probably dont need the GPS while you are doing your taxi
and
> >> runup, which would, in most cases, give the computer time to boot.
With
> >> basic software running, I would expect the computer to take 30 seconds
to
> >> 1 minute to be ready to use. I dont imagine this would be too much of
a
> >> problem, but I could be wrong.
> >>
> >> Is anybody familiar with Anywhere AI? Does Anywhere Map XP have a way
> >> of having both the moving map and the attitude indicator on the same
> >> screen? Now were starting to talk about more of a primary flight
> >> instrument instead of just navigation. Having a 12 LCD right in front
> >> of the pilots face with the backups off to the side is starting to
sound
> >> good. I know you would still need the Nav/Coms and stuff like that ,
> >> but the radio stack would still be in the middle of the panel
somewhere.
> >>
> >> Thanks for all the input so far!
> >>
> >> Jesse Saint
> >>
> >> I-TEC, Inc.
> >>
> >> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
> >>
> >> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
> >>
> >> W: 352-465-4545
> >>
> >> C: 352-427-0285
> >>
> >> F: 815-377-3694
> >>
>
> >>
> >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *James
Laura
> >> Riley
> >> *Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2005 12:33 AM
> >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
> >>
> >> *Jesse,*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *I have the Any Where Map system in my RV-6. It gives me a color
moving
> >> map on a Cassiopeia E-125. The software is nice; the symbology is
good;
> >> and it has some nice decluttering features. However, it has one major
> >> flaw, the battery! When the battery goes, so does your software! Many
> >> times in the taxi out to the runway, Ive gone to power it up only to
> >> find the main battery had died, and the backup (watch style) battery
was
> >> dead and my software was gone! The Cassiopeia would turn on because of
> >> the planes 12V power. However, the system was worthless without the
> >> SOFTWARE. *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *I know Control Vision is using many different PDAs these days, but
they
> >> are all susceptible to this. The PDA wasnt designed to run for hours
on
> >> end while being plugged in your aircrafts 12V power supply. They are
> >> meant to be charged over night and run off of the battery until the
> >> battery is close to being dead. This keeps the battery in good shape.
> >> If you constantly run the PDA off of the aircrafts 12V, the battery
> >> develops a memory, which shortens its life. After that, it constantly
> >> drains your back-up battery, leading to dumped software. *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *Maybe its different with the laptop computers, I dont know. But, my
> >> money for the -10 is going into a dedicated aircraft navigation system.
> >> Its just too important to mess around with.*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *My two cents,*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *Jim Riley*
> >>
> >> *#40191 Wings *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> *I have been thinking a lot about the possibilities of using software
> >> like*
> >>
> >> * Anywhere Map and their Anywhere WX options on a laptop or
> >> panel-mounted LCD*
> >>
> >> * screen to have good, high-detail moving map and weather in the
> >> cockpit. It*
> >>
> >> * looks like this can be done for about $3,000 plus a monthly
> >> subscription to*
> >>
> >> * the XM Weather plan. Is anybody else planning on doing this?
> >> Does anybody*
> >>
> >> * else have experience with this or any other similar system? I
> >> would rather*
> >>
> >> * pay $3,000 and have the flexibility that this would offer than
> >> pay*
> >>
> >> * $5,000-6,000 for the upgrade for my Garmin 430. It would also
> >> allow me to*
> >>
> >> * take the system with me in other planes if there was room.
Also,
> >> a 12"*
> >>
> >> * screen dedicated to map and weather would be very nice to look
at,
> >> and it*
> >>
> >> * could play DVD's or could be used for catching up on the RV-10
> >> list e-mails*
> >>
> >> * while the TruTrak is in control.*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * Any thoughts, warnings, encouragement, etc is welcome!*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * Does anybody know the serial number of the 3rd -10 flying? This
> >> definitely*
> >>
> >> * seems like it is going to be the year of the -10.*
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >> * Jesse Saint*
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
Jerry,
The high bright units run about $3000 and the normal units about $2500 depending
on memory installed. They also have CompactFlash and USB ports so it's easy
to extend memory. The normal brightness ones do amazingly well outside. The
units will do Linux, XP Embedded or XP Professional.
I must agree with some of the past posts regarding a Windows platform for anything
this important. That said, there will always be people (myself included sometimes)
that want to dabble and tinker. If you're one if these folks, then
a unit like this will reduce your chances of having hardware failures.
One application I've considered is mounting USB cameras out from different locations
(below the plane, from the tail, etc) and using a unit like this to view
out these cameras. Just a thought.
On a side note...I recently picked up one from ebay for $550. There's not a lot
of demand because not many people know about them and until just recently (about
a year ago), they only had a Windows CE unit.
Note...I'm not trying to sell these units, just trying to point people to an option.
Kent Forsythe
40338
Elevators
What is the approximate price for the high brightness unit, Kent?
Best Regards,
Jerry Hansen
Trio Avionics
http://www.trioavionics.com
Phone - 619-448-4619
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rob Kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
I second that!
Rob
On Jun 6, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Wayne @ Engravers.net wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Engravers.net"
> <wayne@engravers.net>
>
> I have just one thing to add to the well thought out comment by Tim
> Olson. Why would anyone trust their life on the assumption that any
> program running under the Windows operating system will be working
> when they NEED it?
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> I have just a couple of thought issues for you regarding the laptop
>> idea.
>>
>> #1. How do you plan to do effective data entry and control in-flight?
>> Touch screens aren't cheap, and without having a keyboard laying
>> around
>> the cockpit, it'll be tough. Also, PC's like to be run with a mouse.
>> What about that...sure you can use keyboard shortcuts, but now you're
>> thinking....."Hey, let's zoom out and look at my waypoints...is that
>> CTRL-Z-5 W, or what" This is especially true regarding using it
>> as a main EIS and Horizon instrument as you seem to be thinking of
>> maybe doing. Avionics are generally designed with very fast access
>> to critical function, quick buttons on the sides or bottom of the
>> screen
>> for easy in-turbulence access, and things like that. I LOVE taking
>> a laptop with me everywhere, but using it in the cockpit would likely
>> be clumsy....and if you're flying IFR, I'd probably not even consider
>> it due to just these issues. For a secondary display that has
>> any absolutely non-critical info on it....(entertainment, or just
>> dedicating it to a constant map page), maybe I'd think about it. In
>> the end though, with Grand Rapids doing XM weather on screen for
>> $1500,
>> the cost is getting good to just go with that kind of avionics to
>> begin with and having better function.
>>
>> #2. I've heard that hard drives can crash easily and are only rated
>> to 10,000' due to the thin air. The heads float above the platters
>> on air, and above 10,000' they can drop real easily and scratch the
>> platter. Also just for environmental reasons, laptops are probably
>> less durable in the extreme heat/cold and possible moisture from heat
>> cycling as is a good sealed instrument. (Check out Direc2Avionics
>> Chelton video....pretty cool)
>>
>> I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, or it's a bad idea. I mean,
>> these are individual's planes, you can do what you want. Just giving
>> you food for thought. For me though, I surely would never use it
>> as an attitude display. Flying IFR....."ooops, my horizon went out.
>> Quick, where's that keyboard. Honey, can you hit CTRL-ALT-Delete,
>> find the AnywhereAI task in the process list, highlight it and hit
>> 'End task' for me. Then go START - PROGRAMS - Anywhere AI and load
>> it, and click 'initialize AI' for me?" (Not that these keyboard
>> things
>> have anything to do with their real software.) Besides that, Bill
>> Gates is Mr. Blue Screen of Death himself. I'd prefer a less
>> intensive
>> OS for the software running underneath my primary instruments.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>> Current project: Fuselage
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>> Jesse Saint wrote:
>>> James,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the input. My plan would definitely be to have the
>>> system powered off the aircraft battery. I will probably have a
>>> backup battery, like with a laptop, but not definitely. That would
>>> be what the Lowrance 1000 is for, if my electrical system goes out.
>>> I am thinking a panel-mounted screen with a laptop or mini-computer
>>> running it. Laptops are not subject to the same problems as PDAs
>>> in that area. If the battery dies you dont lose your hard drive.
>>> You may lose something that you were working on when it died, but
>>> the storage is non-volatile memory. PDAs require some power to keep
>>> the volatile memory powered so as not to lose it (at least most of
>>> the do). Laptops use non-volatile memory for storage (a hard
>>> drive).
>>>
>>> One issue that I am wondering about is the time required to boot
>>> up. I imagine you probably dont need the GPS while you are doing
>>> your taxi and runup, which would, in most cases, give the computer
>>> time to boot. With basic software running, I would expect the
>>> computer to take 30 seconds to 1 minute to be ready to use. I dont
>>> imagine this would be too much of a problem, but I could be wrong.
>>>
>>> Is anybody familiar with Anywhere AI? Does Anywhere Map XP have a
>>> way of having both the moving map and the attitude indicator on the
>>> same screen? Now were starting to talk about more of a primary
>>> flight instrument instead of just navigation. Having a 12 LCD
>>> right in front of the pilots face with the backups off to the side
>>> is starting to sound good. I know you would still need the
>>> Nav/Coms and stuff like that , but the radio stack would still be
>>> in the middle of the panel somewhere.
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the input so far!
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>>
>>> I-TEC, Inc.
>>>
>>> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>>>
>>> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>>>
>>> W: 352-465-4545
>>>
>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>>
>>> F: 815-377-3694
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *James
>>> Laura Riley
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2005 12:33 AM
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
>>>
>>> *Jesse,*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *I have the Any Where Map system in my RV-6. It gives me a color
>>> moving map on a Cassiopeia E-125. The software is nice; the
>>> symbology is good; and it has some nice decluttering features.
>>> However, it has one major flaw, the battery! When the battery goes,
>>> so does your software! Many times in the taxi out to the runway,
>>> Ive gone to power it up only to find the main battery had died, and
>>> the backup (watch style) battery was dead and my software was gone!
>>> The Cassiopeia would turn on because of the planes 12V power.
>>> However, the system was worthless without the SOFTWARE. *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *I know Control Vision is using many different PDAs these days, but
>>> they are all susceptible to this. The PDA wasnt designed to run
>>> for hours on end while being plugged in your aircrafts 12V power
>>> supply. They are meant to be charged over night and run off of the
>>> battery until the battery is close to being dead. This keeps the
>>> battery in good shape. If you constantly run the PDA off of the
>>> aircrafts 12V, the battery develops a memory, which shortens its
>>> life. After that, it constantly drains your back-up battery,
>>> leading to dumped software. *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *Maybe its different with the laptop computers, I dont know. But,
>>> my money for the -10 is going into a dedicated aircraft navigation
>>> system. Its just too important to mess around with.*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *My two cents,*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *Jim Riley*
>>>
>>> *#40191 Wings *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *I have been thinking a lot about the possibilities of using
>>> software like*
>>>
>>> * Anywhere Map and their Anywhere WX options on a laptop or
>>> panel-mounted LCD*
>>>
>>> * screen to have good, high-detail moving map and weather in
>>> the cockpit. It*
>>>
>>> * looks like this can be done for about $3,000 plus a monthly
>>> subscription to*
>>>
>>> * the XM Weather plan. Is anybody else planning on doing this?
>>> Does anybody*
>>>
>>> * else have experience with this or any other similar system?
>>> I would rather*
>>>
>>> * pay $3,000 and have the flexibility that this would offer
>>> than pay*
>>>
>>> * $5,000-6,000 for the upgrade for my Garmin 430. It would
>>> also allow me to*
>>>
>>> * take the system with me in other planes if there was room.
>>> Also, a 12"*
>>>
>>> * screen dedicated to map and weather would be very nice to
>>> look at, and it*
>>>
>>> * could play DVD's or could be used for catching up on the
>>> RV-10 list e-mails*
>>>
>>> * while the TruTrak is in control.*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * Any thoughts, warnings, encouragement, etc is welcome!*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * Does anybody know the serial number of the 3rd -10 flying?
>>> This definitely*
>>>
>>> * seems like it is going to be the year of the -10.*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * Jesse Saint*
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
That's why you may see certified MFDs running Windows derivatives, but you will
never see a certified PFD running Windows of any type . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rob Kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
I second that!
Rob
On Jun 6, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Wayne @ Engravers.net wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Engravers.net"
> <wayne@engravers.net>
>
> I have just one thing to add to the well thought out comment by Tim
> Olson. Why would anyone trust their life on the assumption that any
> program running under the Windows operating system will be working
> when they NEED it?
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> I have just a couple of thought issues for you regarding the laptop
>> idea.
>>
>> #1. How do you plan to do effective data entry and control in-flight?
>> Touch screens aren't cheap, and without having a keyboard laying
>> around
>> the cockpit, it'll be tough. Also, PC's like to be run with a mouse.
>> What about that...sure you can use keyboard shortcuts, but now you're
>> thinking....."Hey, let's zoom out and look at my waypoints...is that
>> CTRL-Z-5 W, or what" This is especially true regarding using it
>> as a main EIS and Horizon instrument as you seem to be thinking of
>> maybe doing. Avionics are generally designed with very fast access
>> to critical function, quick buttons on the sides or bottom of the
>> screen
>> for easy in-turbulence access, and things like that. I LOVE taking
>> a laptop with me everywhere, but using it in the cockpit would likely
>> be clumsy....and if you're flying IFR, I'd probably not even consider
>> it due to just these issues. For a secondary display that has
>> any absolutely non-critical info on it....(entertainment, or just
>> dedicating it to a constant map page), maybe I'd think about it. In
>> the end though, with Grand Rapids doing XM weather on screen for
>> $1500,
>> the cost is getting good to just go with that kind of avionics to
>> begin with and having better function.
>>
>> #2. I've heard that hard drives can crash easily and are only rated
>> to 10,000' due to the thin air. The heads float above the platters
>> on air, and above 10,000' they can drop real easily and scratch the
>> platter. Also just for environmental reasons, laptops are probably
>> less durable in the extreme heat/cold and possible moisture from heat
>> cycling as is a good sealed instrument. (Check out Direc2Avionics
>> Chelton video....pretty cool)
>>
>> I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, or it's a bad idea. I mean,
>> these are individual's planes, you can do what you want. Just giving
>> you food for thought. For me though, I surely would never use it
>> as an attitude display. Flying IFR....."ooops, my horizon went out.
>> Quick, where's that keyboard. Honey, can you hit CTRL-ALT-Delete,
>> find the AnywhereAI task in the process list, highlight it and hit
>> 'End task' for me. Then go START - PROGRAMS - Anywhere AI and load
>> it, and click 'initialize AI' for me?" (Not that these keyboard
>> things
>> have anything to do with their real software.) Besides that, Bill
>> Gates is Mr. Blue Screen of Death himself. I'd prefer a less
>> intensive
>> OS for the software running underneath my primary instruments.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>> Current project: Fuselage
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>> Jesse Saint wrote:
>>> James,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the input. My plan would definitely be to have the
>>> system powered off the aircraft battery. I will probably have a
>>> backup battery, like with a laptop, but not definitely. That would
>>> be what the Lowrance 1000 is for, if my electrical system goes out.
>>> I am thinking a panel-mounted screen with a laptop or mini-computer
>>> running it. Laptops are not subject to the same problems as PDAs
>>> in that area. If the battery dies you dont lose your hard drive.
>>> You may lose something that you were working on when it died, but
>>> the storage is non-volatile memory. PDAs require some power to keep
>>> the volatile memory powered so as not to lose it (at least most of
>>> the do). Laptops use non-volatile memory for storage (a hard
>>> drive).
>>>
>>> One issue that I am wondering about is the time required to boot
>>> up. I imagine you probably dont need the GPS while you are doing
>>> your taxi and runup, which would, in most cases, give the computer
>>> time to boot. With basic software running, I would expect the
>>> computer to take 30 seconds to 1 minute to be ready to use. I dont
>>> imagine this would be too much of a problem, but I could be wrong.
>>>
>>> Is anybody familiar with Anywhere AI? Does Anywhere Map XP have a
>>> way of having both the moving map and the attitude indicator on the
>>> same screen? Now were starting to talk about more of a primary
>>> flight instrument instead of just navigation. Having a 12 LCD
>>> right in front of the pilots face with the backups off to the side
>>> is starting to sound good. I know you would still need the
>>> Nav/Coms and stuff like that , but the radio stack would still be
>>> in the middle of the panel somewhere.
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the input so far!
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>>
>>> I-TEC, Inc.
>>>
>>> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>>>
>>> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>>>
>>> W: 352-465-4545
>>>
>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>>
>>> F: 815-377-3694
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *James
>>> Laura Riley
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2005 12:33 AM
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
>>>
>>> *Jesse,*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *I have the Any Where Map system in my RV-6. It gives me a color
>>> moving map on a Cassiopeia E-125. The software is nice; the
>>> symbology is good; and it has some nice decluttering features.
>>> However, it has one major flaw, the battery! When the battery goes,
>>> so does your software! Many times in the taxi out to the runway,
>>> Ive gone to power it up only to find the main battery had died, and
>>> the backup (watch style) battery was dead and my software was gone!
>>> The Cassiopeia would turn on because of the planes 12V power.
>>> However, the system was worthless without the SOFTWARE. *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *I know Control Vision is using many different PDAs these days, but
>>> they are all susceptible to this. The PDA wasnt designed to run
>>> for hours on end while being plugged in your aircrafts 12V power
>>> supply. They are meant to be charged over night and run off of the
>>> battery until the battery is close to being dead. This keeps the
>>> battery in good shape. If you constantly run the PDA off of the
>>> aircrafts 12V, the battery develops a memory, which shortens its
>>> life. After that, it constantly drains your back-up battery,
>>> leading to dumped software. *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *Maybe its different with the laptop computers, I dont know. But,
>>> my money for the -10 is going into a dedicated aircraft navigation
>>> system. Its just too important to mess around with.*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *My two cents,*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *Jim Riley*
>>>
>>> *#40191 Wings *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *I have been thinking a lot about the possibilities of using
>>> software like*
>>>
>>> * Anywhere Map and their Anywhere WX options on a laptop or
>>> panel-mounted LCD*
>>>
>>> * screen to have good, high-detail moving map and weather in
>>> the cockpit. It*
>>>
>>> * looks like this can be done for about $3,000 plus a monthly
>>> subscription to*
>>>
>>> * the XM Weather plan. Is anybody else planning on doing this?
>>> Does anybody*
>>>
>>> * else have experience with this or any other similar system?
>>> I would rather*
>>>
>>> * pay $3,000 and have the flexibility that this would offer
>>> than pay*
>>>
>>> * $5,000-6,000 for the upgrade for my Garmin 430. It would
>>> also allow me to*
>>>
>>> * take the system with me in other planes if there was room.
>>> Also, a 12"*
>>>
>>> * screen dedicated to map and weather would be very nice to
>>> look at, and it*
>>>
>>> * could play DVD's or could be used for catching up on the
>>> RV-10 list e-mails*
>>>
>>> * while the TruTrak is in control.*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * Any thoughts, warnings, encouragement, etc is welcome!*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * Does anybody know the serial number of the 3rd -10 flying?
>>> This definitely*
>>>
>>> * seems like it is going to be the year of the -10.*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * Jesse Saint*
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the RV-10 markings. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com>
Van's has UMA 2 1/4" one for sale but they have the marking for the RV
3,4 and 6. You may be able to convince Van's to get these 2 1/4" units
with RV-10 markings if enough people are interested in them for backup
AIS to there EFIS.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the
RV-10 markings.
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hi Tim,
I emailed Ray the same question and he told me they're 3 1/8".
That's unfortunate because I'm shopping for 2 1/4" because
in my last and final panel revision I found that the 2 1/4"
just fit so much better.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/20050602/RV200506020023.html
If anyone knows of a source for quality 2-1/4" round airspeed
an 2 arm altimeters, let me know. I'd prefer airspeed in KTS
only.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> Are these 3 1/4 inch or 2 1/4 inch? You'd think with all the EFISs
these days, Vans would start offering more 2 1/4 inch instruments for
backups . . .
>
> TDT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
> [NTK]
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:55 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Van's now has the UMA IAS in stock with the RV-10
> markings.
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]"
<Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com>
>
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>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> CDNI Principal Engineer
> Sprint PCS
> 16020 West 113th Street
> Lenexa, KS 66219
> Mailstop KSLNXK0101
> (913) 859-1414 (Office)
> (913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
> (913) 859-1234 (Fax)
> Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com
>
> I just got this back from Gus at Van's. I have been looking for
> the Indicated Airspeed with the RV-10 marking instead of the True
> Airspeed one that Van's has had for a while now.
>
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> We have them in stock now, they just aren't on the website yet
>
> IF UMA-16-310-261 MPH $156
> IF UMA-16-310-262D MPH/KTS $165
> IF UMA-16-311-242 KTS $156
> IF UMA-16-311-242D KTS/MPH $165
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| Subject: | Re: Anywhere MAP/WX |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
I don't. Never had issues myself. (Don't want to start a Slashdot OS war)
-Sean #40303 (Calling Dr. about Countersink-itis after doing the spars)
Rob Kermanj wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rob Kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
>
> I second that!
>
> Rob
>
> On Jun 6, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Wayne @ Engravers.net wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Engravers.net"
>> <wayne@engravers.net>
>>
>> I have just one thing to add to the well thought out comment by Tim
>> Olson. Why would anyone trust their life on the assumption that any
>> program running under the Windows operating system will be working
>> when they NEED it?
>>
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
>>
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>
>>> I have just a couple of thought issues for you regarding the laptop
>>> idea.
>>>
>>> #1. How do you plan to do effective data entry and control in-flight?
>>> Touch screens aren't cheap, and without having a keyboard laying
>>> around
>>> the cockpit, it'll be tough. Also, PC's like to be run with a mouse.
>>> What about that...sure you can use keyboard shortcuts, but now you're
>>> thinking....."Hey, let's zoom out and look at my waypoints...is that
>>> CTRL-Z-5 W, or what" This is especially true regarding using it
>>> as a main EIS and Horizon instrument as you seem to be thinking of
>>> maybe doing. Avionics are generally designed with very fast access
>>> to critical function, quick buttons on the sides or bottom of the
>>> screen
>>> for easy in-turbulence access, and things like that. I LOVE taking
>>> a laptop with me everywhere, but using it in the cockpit would likely
>>> be clumsy....and if you're flying IFR, I'd probably not even consider
>>> it due to just these issues. For a secondary display that has
>>> any absolutely non-critical info on it....(entertainment, or just
>>> dedicating it to a constant map page), maybe I'd think about it. In
>>> the end though, with Grand Rapids doing XM weather on screen for
>>> $1500,
>>> the cost is getting good to just go with that kind of avionics to
>>> begin with and having better function.
>>>
>>> #2. I've heard that hard drives can crash easily and are only rated
>>> to 10,000' due to the thin air. The heads float above the platters
>>> on air, and above 10,000' they can drop real easily and scratch the
>>> platter. Also just for environmental reasons, laptops are probably
>>> less durable in the extreme heat/cold and possible moisture from heat
>>> cycling as is a good sealed instrument. (Check out Direc2Avionics
>>> Chelton video....pretty cool)
>>>
>>> I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, or it's a bad idea. I mean,
>>> these are individual's planes, you can do what you want. Just giving
>>> you food for thought. For me though, I surely would never use it
>>> as an attitude display. Flying IFR....."ooops, my horizon went out.
>>> Quick, where's that keyboard. Honey, can you hit CTRL-ALT-Delete,
>>> find the AnywhereAI task in the process list, highlight it and hit
>>> 'End task' for me. Then go START - PROGRAMS - Anywhere AI and load
>>> it, and click 'initialize AI' for me?" (Not that these keyboard
>>> things
>>> have anything to do with their real software.) Besides that, Bill
>>> Gates is Mr. Blue Screen of Death himself. I'd prefer a less
>>> intensive
>>> OS for the software running underneath my primary instruments.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>>> Current project: Fuselage
>>>
>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>>
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint wrote:
>>>
>>>> James,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the input. My plan would definitely be to have the
>>>> system powered off the aircraft battery. I will probably have a
>>>> backup battery, like with a laptop, but not definitely. That
>>>> would be what the Lowrance 1000 is for, if my electrical system
>>>> goes out. I am thinking a panel-mounted screen with a laptop or
>>>> mini-computer running it. Laptops are not subject to the same
>>>> problems as PDAs in that area. If the battery dies you dont
>>>> lose your hard drive. You may lose something that you were
>>>> working on when it died, but the storage is non-volatile memory.
>>>> PDAs require some power to keep the volatile memory powered so as
>>>> not to lose it (at least most of the do). Laptops use
>>>> non-volatile memory for storage (a hard drive).
>>>>
>>>> One issue that I am wondering about is the time required to boot
>>>> up. I imagine you probably dont need the GPS while you are doing
>>>> your taxi and runup, which would, in most cases, give the computer
>>>> time to boot. With basic software running, I would expect the
>>>> computer to take 30 seconds to 1 minute to be ready to use. I
>>>> dont imagine this would be too much of a problem, but I could be
>>>> wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Is anybody familiar with Anywhere AI? Does Anywhere Map XP have
>>>> a way of having both the moving map and the attitude indicator on
>>>> the same screen? Now were starting to talk about more of a
>>>> primary flight instrument instead of just navigation. Having a
>>>> 12 LCD right in front of the pilots face with the backups off to
>>>> the side is starting to sound good. I know you would still need
>>>> the Nav/Coms and stuff like that , but the radio stack would
>>>> still be in the middle of the panel somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for all the input so far!
>>>>
>>>> Jesse Saint
>>>>
>>>> I-TEC, Inc.
>>>>
>>>> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>>>>
>>>> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>>>>
>>>> W: 352-465-4545
>>>>
>>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>>>
>>>> F: 815-377-3694
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *James
>>>> Laura Riley
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2005 12:33 AM
>>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Anywhere MAP/WX
>>>>
>>>> *Jesse,*
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> *I have the Any Where Map system in my RV-6. It gives me a color
>>>> moving map on a Cassiopeia E-125. The software is nice; the
>>>> symbology is good; and it has some nice decluttering features.
>>>> However, it has one major flaw, the battery! When the battery
>>>> goes, so does your software! Many times in the taxi out to the
>>>> runway, Ive gone to power it up only to find the main battery had
>>>> died, and the backup (watch style) battery was dead and my
>>>> software was gone! The Cassiopeia would turn on because of the
>>>> planes 12V power. However, the system was worthless without the
>>>> SOFTWARE. *
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> *I know Control Vision is using many different PDAs these days,
>>>> but they are all susceptible to this. The PDA wasnt designed to
>>>> run for hours on end while being plugged in your aircrafts 12V
>>>> power supply. They are meant to be charged over night and run off
>>>> of the battery until the battery is close to being dead. This
>>>> keeps the battery in good shape. If you constantly run the PDA off
>>>> of the aircrafts 12V, the battery develops a memory, which
>>>> shortens its life. After that, it constantly drains your back-up
>>>> battery, leading to dumped software. *
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> *Maybe its different with the laptop computers, I dont know.
>>>> But, my money for the -10 is going into a dedicated aircraft
>>>> navigation system. Its just too important to mess around with.*
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> *My two cents,*
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> *Jim Riley*
>>>>
>>>> *#40191 Wings *
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> *I have been thinking a lot about the possibilities of using
>>>> software like*
>>>>
>>>> * Anywhere Map and their Anywhere WX options on a laptop or
>>>> panel-mounted LCD*
>>>>
>>>> * screen to have good, high-detail moving map and weather in
>>>> the cockpit. It*
>>>>
>>>> * looks like this can be done for about $3,000 plus a monthly
>>>> subscription to*
>>>>
>>>> * the XM Weather plan. Is anybody else planning on doing
>>>> this? Does anybody*
>>>>
>>>> * else have experience with this or any other similar
>>>> system? I would rather*
>>>>
>>>> * pay $3,000 and have the flexibility that this would offer
>>>> than pay*
>>>>
>>>> * $5,000-6,000 for the upgrade for my Garmin 430. It would
>>>> also allow me to*
>>>>
>>>> * take the system with me in other planes if there was room.
>>>> Also, a 12"*
>>>>
>>>> * screen dedicated to map and weather would be very nice to
>>>> look at, and it*
>>>>
>>>> * could play DVD's or could be used for catching up on the
>>>> RV-10 list e-mails*
>>>>
>>>> * while the TruTrak is in control.*
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> * Any thoughts, warnings, encouragement, etc is welcome!*
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> * Does anybody know the serial number of the 3rd -10 flying?
>>>> This definitely*
>>>>
>>>> * seems like it is going to be the year of the -10.*
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> * Jesse Saint*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | oops rivets for AD4 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Hi all,
I had a couple of bad rivets on the LE spar of the HS. They are in the
brackets that attach it to the tailcone (the pattern of nine) I tried to
be carefull when drilling them out but it looks like I enlarged the hole
too much and the AN470AD4-10 rivets that go there just smash into the
hole. I tried a longer rivet, but of course it just dumped.
Is there such a thing as an AN470AD4 oops rivet? I only see the ones to
replace AD3's. Otherwise, should I just drill them out and put in
AN470AD5? Am I going to have a problem with the heads fitting in between
the others or hole distances?
I noticed something cool tho... using my pneumatic squeezer, when you
squeeze rivets it smashes them hard and fast enough that the rivet
actually releases a little puff of smoke ;)
Thanks,
James
--
There is an art . . . to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself
at the ground and miss. Douglas Adams, 'The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy'
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| Subject: | Re: oops rivets for AD4 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Is there such a thing as an AN470AD4 oops rivet? I only see the ones to
Not that I know of. You could either put in an AD5-x rivet, or just enlarge
the hole to #11 and go with an AN3-xA bolt, AN960-10 washer, AN365-1032 nut.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: oops rivets for AD4 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I also had the same worry way back on a rivet or two and wanted
to find out about AD4 oops rivets. I never found any. I think
the only real "oops" rivet would be a flush rivet with an
oversized shank. If you have a round head AN470, you wouldn't
be worried about the flush head...you would just go up to
an AN470AD5 rivet. At SNF, I picked up a pack of AN470AD5-11
rivets, and figured if I ever mangled an AD4, I could trim
one of these to the proper length (bought a rivet cutter too),
and use it instead.
You also have the other option of putting in a nut and bolt
if you prefer...my guess is that you had a hard time hammering
the AD4, the AD5 won't be easier, so maybe a bolt
would be better anyway.
Yeah, that's cool about the smoke too...instantaneous heat.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
James Ochs wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I had a couple of bad rivets on the LE spar of the HS. They are in the
> brackets that attach it to the tailcone (the pattern of nine) I tried to
> be carefull when drilling them out but it looks like I enlarged the hole
> too much and the AN470AD4-10 rivets that go there just smash into the
> hole. I tried a longer rivet, but of course it just dumped.
>
> Is there such a thing as an AN470AD4 oops rivet? I only see the ones to
> replace AD3's. Otherwise, should I just drill them out and put in
> AN470AD5? Am I going to have a problem with the heads fitting in between
> the others or hole distances?
>
> I noticed something cool tho... using my pneumatic squeezer, when you
> squeeze rivets it smashes them hard and fast enough that the rivet
> actually releases a little puff of smoke ;)
>
> Thanks,
> James
>
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| Subject: | RE: Interior Paint |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I'm getting ready to shoot the interior with PPG DX-1791 (self etching
primer) and Concept (color coat) over that. Interestingly, the data
sheet for the Concept says that the DX1791 must be primed/sealed before
shooting the Concept. Randy just shot the Concept directly over the
DX-1791 - anybody got any idea why the manufacturer recommends the
primer/sealer?
I also picked up some K-36 just in case I decide to actually follow the
directions since I'll need it for the fiberglass stuff anyway.
Bob #40105
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Interior Paint |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hey Bob, we're still on the same timelines as usual. I just
purchased my interior paint today. I used the AKZO, so I
didn't get the DX-1791 (and can't answer your question),
but here's what I did get.
2 qts PPG Concept in a cool grey color
2 qts DU5 Catalyst
1 DT870 Reducer
2 qts DX685 flattening agent
1 qt DX330 Cleaner, degreaser, wax remover
This should be plenty to do the interior, and as we discussed
offline, the DX685 flattening agent should get rid of some of
that gloss and make it more of a semi-gloss to eggshell
depending on how I mix it up. I'm going to try for something
that barely has any reflective shine to it. I ended up with
the DU5 just because the DX685 data sheet that we had was
written with DU5 in mind. From what I understand, the other
stuff just better matches some VOC regulations in some areas.
The DU5 also increases pot life from 1-3 hours up to 2-4 hours.
I can't say that I've ever sprayed either of these, but I hope
to be spraying mid-week this week, so I'll report back how it all
turns out. I'm thinking 2-3 total coats should do it.
I can't wait to get to the point where I can paint the fiberglass
portion. It's still a ways off.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> I'm getting ready to shoot the interior with PPG DX-1791 (self etching
> primer) and Concept (color coat) over that. Interestingly, the data
> sheet for the Concept says that the DX1791 must be primed/sealed before
> shooting the Concept. Randy just shot the Concept directly over the
> DX-1791 - anybody got any idea why the manufacturer recommends the
> primer/sealer?
>
> I also picked up some K-36 just in case I decide to actually follow the
> directions since I'll need it for the fiberglass stuff anyway.
>
> Bob #40105
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| Subject: | RE: Interior Paint |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com>
I used the DX-1791, K36 and Concept for the exterior of my RV-9 and had
great results. I believe the chemical bonding from one product to the
other is the reason this order should be followed for the best adhesion
possible.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Interior Paint
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I'm getting ready to shoot the interior with PPG DX-1791 (self etching
primer) and Concept (color coat) over that. Interestingly, the data
sheet for the Concept says that the DX1791 must be primed/sealed before
shooting the Concept. Randy just shot the Concept directly over the
DX-1791 - anybody got any idea why the manufacturer recommends the
primer/sealer?
I also picked up some K-36 just in case I decide to actually follow the
directions since I'll need it for the fiberglass stuff anyway.
Bob #40105
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| Subject: | RE: Interior Paint |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Tim,
What sort of prep do you have to do to the AKZO before paint - just
clean, scuff, clean?
It will probably be a little while before I actually spray. It's pretty
hot and humid here plus I've got some travel over the next couple of
weeks.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Interior Paint
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hey Bob, we're still on the same timelines as usual. I just
purchased my interior paint today. I used the AKZO, so I
didn't get the DX-1791 (and can't answer your question),
but here's what I did get.
2 qts PPG Concept in a cool grey color
2 qts DU5 Catalyst
1 DT870 Reducer
2 qts DX685 flattening agent
1 qt DX330 Cleaner, degreaser, wax remover
This should be plenty to do the interior, and as we discussed
offline, the DX685 flattening agent should get rid of some of
that gloss and make it more of a semi-gloss to eggshell
depending on how I mix it up. I'm going to try for something
that barely has any reflective shine to it. I ended up with
the DU5 just because the DX685 data sheet that we had was
written with DU5 in mind. From what I understand, the other
stuff just better matches some VOC regulations in some areas.
The DU5 also increases pot life from 1-3 hours up to 2-4 hours.
I can't say that I've ever sprayed either of these, but I hope
to be spraying mid-week this week, so I'll report back how it all
turns out. I'm thinking 2-3 total coats should do it.
I can't wait to get to the point where I can paint the fiberglass
portion. It's still a ways off.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> I'm getting ready to shoot the interior with PPG DX-1791 (self etching
> primer) and Concept (color coat) over that. Interestingly, the data
> sheet for the Concept says that the DX1791 must be primed/sealed
before
> shooting the Concept. Randy just shot the Concept directly over the
> DX-1791 - anybody got any idea why the manufacturer recommends the
> primer/sealer?
>
> I also picked up some K-36 just in case I decide to actually follow
the
> directions since I'll need it for the fiberglass stuff anyway.
>
> Bob #40105
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Interior Paint |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I actually have to go back and re-read my Akzo stuff. I know
that some epoxy primers shouldn't be painted on if they're
too hard, so worst case I may have to actually scuff and
reprime the day before. My current plan though is to
lightly scuff with scotchbrite, vacuum, wipe clean with the
PPG cleaner, then start spraying. As long as I pick a day
that's not too humid, I should be good to go here. Wisconsin
is great painting weather this time of year.
You know I'll take some good photos for ya.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
do not archive
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Tim,
>
> What sort of prep do you have to do to the AKZO before paint - just
> clean, scuff, clean?
>
> It will probably be a little while before I actually spray. It's pretty
> hot and humid here plus I've got some travel over the next couple of
> weeks.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 3:24 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Interior Paint
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hey Bob, we're still on the same timelines as usual. I just
> purchased my interior paint today. I used the AKZO, so I
> didn't get the DX-1791 (and can't answer your question),
> but here's what I did get.
>
> 2 qts PPG Concept in a cool grey color
> 2 qts DU5 Catalyst
> 1 DT870 Reducer
> 2 qts DX685 flattening agent
> 1 qt DX330 Cleaner, degreaser, wax remover
>
> This should be plenty to do the interior, and as we discussed
> offline, the DX685 flattening agent should get rid of some of
> that gloss and make it more of a semi-gloss to eggshell
> depending on how I mix it up. I'm going to try for something
> that barely has any reflective shine to it. I ended up with
> the DU5 just because the DX685 data sheet that we had was
> written with DU5 in mind. From what I understand, the other
> stuff just better matches some VOC regulations in some areas.
> The DU5 also increases pot life from 1-3 hours up to 2-4 hours.
> I can't say that I've ever sprayed either of these, but I hope
> to be spraying mid-week this week, so I'll report back how it all
> turns out. I'm thinking 2-3 total coats should do it.
>
> I can't wait to get to the point where I can paint the fiberglass
> portion. It's still a ways off.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
> Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
>
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
>>I'm getting ready to shoot the interior with PPG DX-1791 (self etching
>>primer) and Concept (color coat) over that. Interestingly, the data
>>sheet for the Concept says that the DX1791 must be primed/sealed
>
> before
>
>>shooting the Concept. Randy just shot the Concept directly over the
>>DX-1791 - anybody got any idea why the manufacturer recommends the
>>primer/sealer?
>>
>>I also picked up some K-36 just in case I decide to actually follow
>
> the
>
>>directions since I'll need it for the fiberglass stuff anyway.
>>
>>Bob #40105
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Interior Paint |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Bob,
I used AKZO on the RV-6 kit I started. Scuffing then cleaning with
Alumiprep worked well for me. I'm taking the "no-prime" approach
with the 10... and can't say enough about how well that's working.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
285 hours, finishing up the trim tabs today or tomorrow.
On Jun 6, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Tim,
>
> What sort of prep do you have to do to the AKZO before paint - just
> clean, scuff, clean?
>
> It will probably be a little while before I actually spray. It's
> pretty
> hot and humid here plus I've got some travel over the next couple of
> weeks.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 3:24 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Interior Paint
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hey Bob, we're still on the same timelines as usual. I just
> purchased my interior paint today. I used the AKZO, so I
> didn't get the DX-1791 (and can't answer your question),
> but here's what I did get.
>
> 2 qts PPG Concept in a cool grey color
> 2 qts DU5 Catalyst
> 1 DT870 Reducer
> 2 qts DX685 flattening agent
> 1 qt DX330 Cleaner, degreaser, wax remover
>
> This should be plenty to do the interior, and as we discussed
> offline, the DX685 flattening agent should get rid of some of
> that gloss and make it more of a semi-gloss to eggshell
> depending on how I mix it up. I'm going to try for something
> that barely has any reflective shine to it. I ended up with
> the DU5 just because the DX685 data sheet that we had was
> written with DU5 in mind. From what I understand, the other
> stuff just better matches some VOC regulations in some areas.
> The DU5 also increases pot life from 1-3 hours up to 2-4 hours.
> I can't say that I've ever sprayed either of these, but I hope
> to be spraying mid-week this week, so I'll report back how it all
> turns out. I'm thinking 2-3 total coats should do it.
>
> I can't wait to get to the point where I can paint the fiberglass
> portion. It's still a ways off.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
> Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
>>
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
>>
>> I'm getting ready to shoot the interior with PPG DX-1791 (self
>> etching
>> primer) and Concept (color coat) over that. Interestingly, the data
>> sheet for the Concept says that the DX1791 must be primed/sealed
>>
> before
>
>> shooting the Concept. Randy just shot the Concept directly over the
>> DX-1791 - anybody got any idea why the manufacturer recommends the
>> primer/sealer?
>>
>> I also picked up some K-36 just in case I decide to actually follow
>>
> the
>
>> directions since I'll need it for the fiberglass stuff anyway.
>>
>> Bob #40105
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | QB Fuselage Temp Rivets (fuel pump) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Tim,
Thanks again for the words. I wouldn't kick myself too hard about the
AeroSport engine you bought though. They said the price hadn't been pinned
down yet, but would most likely be right between the current overhaul price
and Van's new price - ie about $35,000.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Fuselage Temp Rivets (fuel pump)
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Marcus,
I've not really done any research into the fuel pumps, so I
can't tell you if I got a good one, or not. But, if you
turn to the pages in the plans that have fuel lines on them,
they'll point out the Van's pump. ES Airflow Fuel Pump,
ES Airflow Fuel Filter, and they have the Fuel Totalizer there
as well, but you usually get that with your EIS I'm told.
I verified that yes, in my case with the Chelton, I'd get it
with my Grand Rapids EIS....so I'm currently working to get
that piece delivered a.s.a.p. so I'm not held up for too
long in running my fuel lines. That kind of thing will really
hold you back. In fact, delivery of avionics in general will
likely run 4-8 weeks in some cases, so you may as well pin down
which EIS you're going to use and start buying....or if nothing
else, just purchase the fuel flow transducer and don't buy
it with the EIS. Either way, like I mentioned, it's actually
time to start finalizing at least some things in regards to
your panel....this stuff sneaks up on you.
Oh, and the engine choice....another one to probably get
hammered out too. If you don't, then some of these fuel
components might have to be changed. You don't use the
same fuel valve with the Continental. I'd just decide
and commit.
I just KNEW that the timing was such that I was going to be
short-sold on my engine. ;) Here you're telling me that
even AeroSport plans to have the new ECI Kit shortly after
OSH. Heck, I'll be picking up my probably more expensive
AeroSport engine AT OSH! (for those who are going, my engine
is their IO-540 demo engine this year). Not only that, but
I heard from someone else that Lycoming themselves are now
about to launch 4 new engines that are for Homebuilts only,
to get into this non-certified market....including an IO-540
model, that will be at a lower cost. If Van's can sell the
current Lycoming Factory IO-540 for around $39K, I wonder
how much this experimental version will save. I bet it'll
save a good couple thousand. I'll just be hoping that
y'all have to pay top dollar for them there engines so that
I don't feel so hosed buy buying my "rebuilt" from
Aerosport. <G> ;)
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
Marcus Cooper wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> Tim,
> Awesome response, thanks for all the information and ideas. You do
bring
> up another question in a follow up post though. What kind of fuel pump
are
> you using? I had an IO-540 on my Skybolt and remember needing a high
> pressure pump vs the MUCH cheaper Facet pump for the carbureted engines.
I
> am leaning toward an IO-540 for this as well (AeroSport plans to have the
> new kit Lycoming shortly after Oshkosh this year).
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Fuselage Temp Rivets
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hey Marcus, I was in the exact same boat as you. Those directions just
> don't give you a good place to start. I'll tell you what, you will
> keep finding things that were left undone as you go through the
> instructions. My advice is this:
>
> Get a notebook in the shop with you. Go through the instructions page
> by page, at least looking at all of the diagrams and then your fuselage,
> even if you don't read all the steps. Then when you find a photo
> with something undone, write the page number and step number in the
> notebook, along with a note as to what it is. Just keeping going
> through page by page and about 1/2 way through the instructions you
> can just stop because not much will be done beyond that point.
> You'll find all sorts of things. Make sure you never cover up a hole
> with something you bolt or rivet on until you see that the item that
> might fill that hole under it was done. (remember the post from the
> other list member who had holes that hadn't been match drilled through
> his spar.
>
> It's much harder gettings started on this fuse without having
> a good order to follow, but after you get some of those little
> things done, it'll start to flow again.
>
> You are pretty much safe to pull all of those temporary rivets
> right away. I put some clecos in around the firewall where
> I removed the, but otherwise I removed all of those temporary
> rivets. YOu should also just remove all of them that hold your
> whole upper deck around the instrument panel, and remove the
> hole panel section. That will give you good access to the inside
> of the fuse, and you'll absolutely need that when it's time to
> run fuel lines, brake lines, rudder pedals, and those items.
>
> Under all of the floors you will find it isn't primed, so if
> you're a primer kind of guy, there's your chance. Also, if you
> plan to soundproof, NOW is the time to order your foam. I ordered
> 3 pieces of 4'x4' from aircraft spruce, and it looks like this
> will be just the right amount for most of this project. I may
> need a little more, and I may have some small scraps left over.
> I used 3/4" in the front, 1/2" in the middle, and 3/8" in the
> rear, but you could just as easily do something like 1/2" everywhere.
>
> Now is also the time to get yourself set up with the .311 or
> 7.9mm (I think that's right) for drilling the holes in the gear
> brackets. My friend who's has a mill just happened to have a
> .311 reamer around he could loan me...it's one size under .3125.
>
> It's also time for you to get conduit lined up if you're planning
> to use some, and start thinking of where to place your antennas.
> If you're going to belly mount them, you'll probably want to be
> safe and add doublers. Not only that, but if you're going to
> belly mount them under the seats you're not going to have access
> for too long, so you may as well buy the antennas and get
> them there for drilling and fitting.
>
> As for how to work on the thing....I took the crate bottom,
> and cut it off just under the rear fuselage area. Then
> I used some of the lumber from the crate to beef up the
> area I cut, and I put 4 casters under the crate. Then I
> got some pallets to put under the tail. Now I can roll it around
> with a little help if needed.
>
> It won't be too long and you'll also need to start making some
> panel decisions, because you probably want to chop those ribs
> to fit your instruments before you mount that top deck again...
> and it won't take you too awful long to get to that step.
> I'm just now getting ready to paint my interior and then
> continue with the controls sections. After that, it's time
> to pull out that fiberglass top. With any luck, I'll have
> that lid on either just before or just after OSH....and then
> it'll be time for the doors and windows and painting later
> this summer.
>
> I hope that helps. If you check my page you'll see lots of
> photos of how I got started.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
> Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>>
>>I thought some of this had been covered before but I can't find it in the
>>archives, sorry if it's a repeat.
>>
>>I received my QB fuselage last week, and after finding out there aren't
>>separate instructions for the QB (just figure out what's already been done
>>and don't do it again), I'm at a brief pause. I'm considering going
>
> through
>
>>the whole thing and drill out all the soft rivets vs. starting at the
>>beginning of the instructions and drill out as required. Any pros or cons
>>for either option?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Marcus
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| Subject: | N610RV Fly-off complete. |
Just a quick update on the fly-off. I completed the test flights on Friday
the 3rd. All systems go. My wife and I flew for about 3 1/2 hours on
Saturday. We flew the Bend airport and picked up John and his wife Sunny.
The four of us went on a 30 min or so flight around the area. They really
liked how the plane handled. I had about 32 gal of fuel on board, the 4 of
us and I had a 50 pounds of lead shot in the rear baggage compartment. Very
nice feel to the landings. The 50 lbs allows you to have extra trim if
needed. I will slowly reduce the lead shot until I find the best balance.
The factory always recommends 25 to 50 lbs when carrying 2 up front. Randy
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| Subject: | RE: Interior Paint |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Thanks. I also took the "no-prime" approach for most things, but am
going to paint the interior cabin area and want max adhesion and
durability.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Carpenter
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Interior Paint
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Bob,
I used AKZO on the RV-6 kit I started. Scuffing then cleaning with
Alumiprep worked well for me. I'm taking the "no-prime" approach
with the 10... and can't say enough about how well that's working.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
285 hours, finishing up the trim tabs today or tomorrow.
On Jun 6, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Tim,
>
> What sort of prep do you have to do to the AKZO before paint - just
> clean, scuff, clean?
>
> It will probably be a little while before I actually spray. It's
> pretty
> hot and humid here plus I've got some travel over the next couple of
> weeks.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 3:24 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Interior Paint
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hey Bob, we're still on the same timelines as usual. I just
> purchased my interior paint today. I used the AKZO, so I
> didn't get the DX-1791 (and can't answer your question),
> but here's what I did get.
>
> 2 qts PPG Concept in a cool grey color
> 2 qts DU5 Catalyst
> 1 DT870 Reducer
> 2 qts DX685 flattening agent
> 1 qt DX330 Cleaner, degreaser, wax remover
>
> This should be plenty to do the interior, and as we discussed
> offline, the DX685 flattening agent should get rid of some of
> that gloss and make it more of a semi-gloss to eggshell
> depending on how I mix it up. I'm going to try for something
> that barely has any reflective shine to it. I ended up with
> the DU5 just because the DX685 data sheet that we had was
> written with DU5 in mind. From what I understand, the other
> stuff just better matches some VOC regulations in some areas.
> The DU5 also increases pot life from 1-3 hours up to 2-4 hours.
> I can't say that I've ever sprayed either of these, but I hope
> to be spraying mid-week this week, so I'll report back how it all
> turns out. I'm thinking 2-3 total coats should do it.
>
> I can't wait to get to the point where I can paint the fiberglass
> portion. It's still a ways off.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
> Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
>>
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
>>
>> I'm getting ready to shoot the interior with PPG DX-1791 (self
>> etching
>> primer) and Concept (color coat) over that. Interestingly, the data
>> sheet for the Concept says that the DX1791 must be primed/sealed
>>
> before
>
>> shooting the Concept. Randy just shot the Concept directly over the
>> DX-1791 - anybody got any idea why the manufacturer recommends the
>> primer/sealer?
>>
>> I also picked up some K-36 just in case I decide to actually follow
>>
> the
>
>> directions since I'll need it for the fiberglass stuff anyway.
>>
>> Bob #40105
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: QB Fuselage Temp Rivets (fuel pump) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rob Kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
Marcus, I tried talking to Lycoming about the "experimental Engine"
that I noticed on this list. The person that can answer the question
is out until July 6th (perhaps he means June 6th). Have you actually
talked to them. Is a new Experimental engine for real?
Thanks, Rob.
On Jun 6, 2005, at 5:35 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> Tim,
> Thanks again for the words. I wouldn't kick myself too hard about
> the
> AeroSport engine you bought though. They said the price hadn't been
> pinned
> down yet, but would most likely be right between the current overhaul
> price
> and Van's new price - ie about $35,000.
>
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:32 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Fuselage Temp Rivets (fuel pump)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Marcus,
>
> I've not really done any research into the fuel pumps, so I
> can't tell you if I got a good one, or not. But, if you
> turn to the pages in the plans that have fuel lines on them,
> they'll point out the Van's pump. ES Airflow Fuel Pump,
> ES Airflow Fuel Filter, and they have the Fuel Totalizer there
> as well, but you usually get that with your EIS I'm told.
> I verified that yes, in my case with the Chelton, I'd get it
> with my Grand Rapids EIS....so I'm currently working to get
> that piece delivered a.s.a.p. so I'm not held up for too
> long in running my fuel lines. That kind of thing will really
> hold you back. In fact, delivery of avionics in general will
> likely run 4-8 weeks in some cases, so you may as well pin down
> which EIS you're going to use and start buying....or if nothing
> else, just purchase the fuel flow transducer and don't buy
> it with the EIS. Either way, like I mentioned, it's actually
> time to start finalizing at least some things in regards to
> your panel....this stuff sneaks up on you.
>
> Oh, and the engine choice....another one to probably get
> hammered out too. If you don't, then some of these fuel
> components might have to be changed. You don't use the
> same fuel valve with the Continental. I'd just decide
> and commit.
>
> I just KNEW that the timing was such that I was going to be
> short-sold on my engine. ;) Here you're telling me that
> even AeroSport plans to have the new ECI Kit shortly after
> OSH. Heck, I'll be picking up my probably more expensive
> AeroSport engine AT OSH! (for those who are going, my engine
> is their IO-540 demo engine this year). Not only that, but
> I heard from someone else that Lycoming themselves are now
> about to launch 4 new engines that are for Homebuilts only,
> to get into this non-certified market....including an IO-540
> model, that will be at a lower cost. If Van's can sell the
> current Lycoming Factory IO-540 for around $39K, I wonder
> how much this experimental version will save. I bet it'll
> save a good couple thousand. I'll just be hoping that
> y'all have to pay top dollar for them there engines so that
> I don't feel so hosed buy buying my "rebuilt" from
> Aerosport. <G> ;)
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
> Marcus Cooper wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper"
>> <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Tim,
>> Awesome response, thanks for all the information and ideas. You do
> bring
>> up another question in a follow up post though. What kind of fuel
>> pump
> are
>> you using? I had an IO-540 on my Skybolt and remember needing a high
>> pressure pump vs the MUCH cheaper Facet pump for the carbureted
>> engines.
> I
>> am leaning toward an IO-540 for this as well (AeroSport plans to have
>> the
>> new kit Lycoming shortly after Oshkosh this year).
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Marcus
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:50 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Fuselage Temp Rivets
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Hey Marcus, I was in the exact same boat as you. Those directions
>> just
>> don't give you a good place to start. I'll tell you what, you will
>> keep finding things that were left undone as you go through the
>> instructions. My advice is this:
>>
>> Get a notebook in the shop with you. Go through the instructions
>> page
>> by page, at least looking at all of the diagrams and then your
>> fuselage,
>> even if you don't read all the steps. Then when you find a photo
>> with something undone, write the page number and step number in the
>> notebook, along with a note as to what it is. Just keeping going
>> through page by page and about 1/2 way through the instructions you
>> can just stop because not much will be done beyond that point.
>> You'll find all sorts of things. Make sure you never cover up a hole
>> with something you bolt or rivet on until you see that the item that
>> might fill that hole under it was done. (remember the post from the
>> other list member who had holes that hadn't been match drilled through
>> his spar.
>>
>> It's much harder gettings started on this fuse without having
>> a good order to follow, but after you get some of those little
>> things done, it'll start to flow again.
>>
>> You are pretty much safe to pull all of those temporary rivets
>> right away. I put some clecos in around the firewall where
>> I removed the, but otherwise I removed all of those temporary
>> rivets. YOu should also just remove all of them that hold your
>> whole upper deck around the instrument panel, and remove the
>> hole panel section. That will give you good access to the inside
>> of the fuse, and you'll absolutely need that when it's time to
>> run fuel lines, brake lines, rudder pedals, and those items.
>>
>> Under all of the floors you will find it isn't primed, so if
>> you're a primer kind of guy, there's your chance. Also, if you
>> plan to soundproof, NOW is the time to order your foam. I ordered
>> 3 pieces of 4'x4' from aircraft spruce, and it looks like this
>> will be just the right amount for most of this project. I may
>> need a little more, and I may have some small scraps left over.
>> I used 3/4" in the front, 1/2" in the middle, and 3/8" in the
>> rear, but you could just as easily do something like 1/2" everywhere.
>>
>> Now is also the time to get yourself set up with the .311 or
>> 7.9mm (I think that's right) for drilling the holes in the gear
>> brackets. My friend who's has a mill just happened to have a
>> .311 reamer around he could loan me...it's one size under .3125.
>>
>> It's also time for you to get conduit lined up if you're planning
>> to use some, and start thinking of where to place your antennas.
>> If you're going to belly mount them, you'll probably want to be
>> safe and add doublers. Not only that, but if you're going to
>> belly mount them under the seats you're not going to have access
>> for too long, so you may as well buy the antennas and get
>> them there for drilling and fitting.
>>
>> As for how to work on the thing....I took the crate bottom,
>> and cut it off just under the rear fuselage area. Then
>> I used some of the lumber from the crate to beef up the
>> area I cut, and I put 4 casters under the crate. Then I
>> got some pallets to put under the tail. Now I can roll it around
>> with a little help if needed.
>>
>> It won't be too long and you'll also need to start making some
>> panel decisions, because you probably want to chop those ribs
>> to fit your instruments before you mount that top deck again...
>> and it won't take you too awful long to get to that step.
>> I'm just now getting ready to paint my interior and then
>> continue with the controls sections. After that, it's time
>> to pull out that fiberglass top. With any luck, I'll have
>> that lid on either just before or just after OSH....and then
>> it'll be time for the doors and windows and painting later
>> this summer.
>>
>> I hope that helps. If you check my page you'll see lots of
>> photos of how I got started.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>> Current project: Fuselage
>>
>>
>> Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper"
>>> <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>> I thought some of this had been covered before but I can't find it
>>> in the
>>> archives, sorry if it's a repeat.
>>>
>>> I received my QB fuselage last week, and after finding out there
>>> aren't
>>> separate instructions for the QB (just figure out what's already
>>> been done
>>> and don't do it again), I'm at a brief pause. I'm considering going
>>
>> through
>>
>>> the whole thing and drill out all the soft rivets vs. starting at the
>>> beginning of the instructions and drill out as required. Any pros
>>> or cons
>>> for either option?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Interior Paint |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Tim/Bob,
Where are you getting your paint and primer from. I know I can get the
Akzo from ACS with a hazmat fee. I am struggling to find a local
supplier here in New Jersey. There is a local supplier of R-M (BASF)
paints but I have not heard of anyone using there products. I am
looking for a 2 part chromated epoxy primer.
Larry Rosen
#356
Struggling to choose a primer
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| Subject: | RE: Interior Paint |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Larry,
I went with a minimalist approach and used NAPA #7220 which is a self
etching rattle can primer for the non-alclad surfaces. For "real"
primer and paint (cabin interior) I went with PPG and found a local
distributor. Here's the link to the distributor
http://www.ppg.com/cr-refinish/phase1/frmFindDistributor.asp
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Interior Paint
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Tim/Bob,
Where are you getting your paint and primer from. I know I can get the
Akzo from ACS with a hazmat fee. I am struggling to find a local
supplier here in New Jersey. There is a local supplier of R-M (BASF)
paints but I have not heard of anyone using there products. I am
looking for a 2 part chromated epoxy primer.
Larry Rosen
#356
Struggling to choose a primer
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| Subject: | N610RV Fly-off complete. |
I am wondering if I will need the extra weight with the three bladed MT
prop. The MT prop is roughly 20 lbs. lighter than the Hartzell.
Scott Schmidt
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy's Abros
mail
Subject: RV10-List: N610RV Fly-off complete.
Just a quick update on the fly-off. I completed the test flights on
Friday the 3rd. All systems go. My wife and I flew for about 3 1/2
hours on Saturday. We flew the Bend airport and picked up John and his
wife Sunny. The four of us went on a 30 min or so flight around the
area. They really liked how the plane handled. I had about 32 gal of
fuel on board, the 4 of us and I had a 50 pounds of lead shot in the
rear baggage compartment. Very nice feel to the landings. The 50 lbs
allows you to have extra trim if needed. I will slowly reduce the lead
shot until I find the best balance. The factory always recommends 25 to
50 lbs when carrying 2 up front. Randy
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| Subject: | QB Fuselage Temp Rivets (fuel pump) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Rob,
I haven't talked to Lycoming, but I did speak to the folks at Aerosport
and they were very confident the engine would be out by Oshkosh, possibly
even mid Jul. I also spoke to Allen at Barrett Performance Engines
(bpaengines.com) and he said the same thing, I don't know their price
though. Apparently there are only a handful of places that will be
authorized to assemble the engine. The engine will have a data plate from
the assembling company in lieu of Lycoming, otherwise all new parts.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Fuselage Temp Rivets (fuel pump)
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rob Kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
Marcus, I tried talking to Lycoming about the "experimental Engine"
that I noticed on this list. The person that can answer the question
is out until July 6th (perhaps he means June 6th). Have you actually
talked to them. Is a new Experimental engine for real?
Thanks, Rob.
On Jun 6, 2005, at 5:35 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> Tim,
> Thanks again for the words. I wouldn't kick myself too hard about
> the
> AeroSport engine you bought though. They said the price hadn't been
> pinned
> down yet, but would most likely be right between the current overhaul
> price
> and Van's new price - ie about $35,000.
>
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:32 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Fuselage Temp Rivets (fuel pump)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Marcus,
>
> I've not really done any research into the fuel pumps, so I
> can't tell you if I got a good one, or not. But, if you
> turn to the pages in the plans that have fuel lines on them,
> they'll point out the Van's pump. ES Airflow Fuel Pump,
> ES Airflow Fuel Filter, and they have the Fuel Totalizer there
> as well, but you usually get that with your EIS I'm told.
> I verified that yes, in my case with the Chelton, I'd get it
> with my Grand Rapids EIS....so I'm currently working to get
> that piece delivered a.s.a.p. so I'm not held up for too
> long in running my fuel lines. That kind of thing will really
> hold you back. In fact, delivery of avionics in general will
> likely run 4-8 weeks in some cases, so you may as well pin down
> which EIS you're going to use and start buying....or if nothing
> else, just purchase the fuel flow transducer and don't buy
> it with the EIS. Either way, like I mentioned, it's actually
> time to start finalizing at least some things in regards to
> your panel....this stuff sneaks up on you.
>
> Oh, and the engine choice....another one to probably get
> hammered out too. If you don't, then some of these fuel
> components might have to be changed. You don't use the
> same fuel valve with the Continental. I'd just decide
> and commit.
>
> I just KNEW that the timing was such that I was going to be
> short-sold on my engine. ;) Here you're telling me that
> even AeroSport plans to have the new ECI Kit shortly after
> OSH. Heck, I'll be picking up my probably more expensive
> AeroSport engine AT OSH! (for those who are going, my engine
> is their IO-540 demo engine this year). Not only that, but
> I heard from someone else that Lycoming themselves are now
> about to launch 4 new engines that are for Homebuilts only,
> to get into this non-certified market....including an IO-540
> model, that will be at a lower cost. If Van's can sell the
> current Lycoming Factory IO-540 for around $39K, I wonder
> how much this experimental version will save. I bet it'll
> save a good couple thousand. I'll just be hoping that
> y'all have to pay top dollar for them there engines so that
> I don't feel so hosed buy buying my "rebuilt" from
> Aerosport. <G> ;)
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
> Marcus Cooper wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper"
>> <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Tim,
>> Awesome response, thanks for all the information and ideas. You do
> bring
>> up another question in a follow up post though. What kind of fuel
>> pump
> are
>> you using? I had an IO-540 on my Skybolt and remember needing a high
>> pressure pump vs the MUCH cheaper Facet pump for the carbureted
>> engines.
> I
>> am leaning toward an IO-540 for this as well (AeroSport plans to have
>> the
>> new kit Lycoming shortly after Oshkosh this year).
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Marcus
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:50 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Fuselage Temp Rivets
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Hey Marcus, I was in the exact same boat as you. Those directions
>> just
>> don't give you a good place to start. I'll tell you what, you will
>> keep finding things that were left undone as you go through the
>> instructions. My advice is this:
>>
>> Get a notebook in the shop with you. Go through the instructions
>> page
>> by page, at least looking at all of the diagrams and then your
>> fuselage,
>> even if you don't read all the steps. Then when you find a photo
>> with something undone, write the page number and step number in the
>> notebook, along with a note as to what it is. Just keeping going
>> through page by page and about 1/2 way through the instructions you
>> can just stop because not much will be done beyond that point.
>> You'll find all sorts of things. Make sure you never cover up a hole
>> with something you bolt or rivet on until you see that the item that
>> might fill that hole under it was done. (remember the post from the
>> other list member who had holes that hadn't been match drilled through
>> his spar.
>>
>> It's much harder gettings started on this fuse without having
>> a good order to follow, but after you get some of those little
>> things done, it'll start to flow again.
>>
>> You are pretty much safe to pull all of those temporary rivets
>> right away. I put some clecos in around the firewall where
>> I removed the, but otherwise I removed all of those temporary
>> rivets. YOu should also just remove all of them that hold your
>> whole upper deck around the instrument panel, and remove the
>> hole panel section. That will give you good access to the inside
>> of the fuse, and you'll absolutely need that when it's time to
>> run fuel lines, brake lines, rudder pedals, and those items.
>>
>> Under all of the floors you will find it isn't primed, so if
>> you're a primer kind of guy, there's your chance. Also, if you
>> plan to soundproof, NOW is the time to order your foam. I ordered
>> 3 pieces of 4'x4' from aircraft spruce, and it looks like this
>> will be just the right amount for most of this project. I may
>> need a little more, and I may have some small scraps left over.
>> I used 3/4" in the front, 1/2" in the middle, and 3/8" in the
>> rear, but you could just as easily do something like 1/2" everywhere.
>>
>> Now is also the time to get yourself set up with the .311 or
>> 7.9mm (I think that's right) for drilling the holes in the gear
>> brackets. My friend who's has a mill just happened to have a
>> .311 reamer around he could loan me...it's one size under .3125.
>>
>> It's also time for you to get conduit lined up if you're planning
>> to use some, and start thinking of where to place your antennas.
>> If you're going to belly mount them, you'll probably want to be
>> safe and add doublers. Not only that, but if you're going to
>> belly mount them under the seats you're not going to have access
>> for too long, so you may as well buy the antennas and get
>> them there for drilling and fitting.
>>
>> As for how to work on the thing....I took the crate bottom,
>> and cut it off just under the rear fuselage area. Then
>> I used some of the lumber from the crate to beef up the
>> area I cut, and I put 4 casters under the crate. Then I
>> got some pallets to put under the tail. Now I can roll it around
>> with a little help if needed.
>>
>> It won't be too long and you'll also need to start making some
>> panel decisions, because you probably want to chop those ribs
>> to fit your instruments before you mount that top deck again...
>> and it won't take you too awful long to get to that step.
>> I'm just now getting ready to paint my interior and then
>> continue with the controls sections. After that, it's time
>> to pull out that fiberglass top. With any luck, I'll have
>> that lid on either just before or just after OSH....and then
>> it'll be time for the doors and windows and painting later
>> this summer.
>>
>> I hope that helps. If you check my page you'll see lots of
>> photos of how I got started.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>> Current project: Fuselage
>>
>>
>> Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper"
>>> <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>> I thought some of this had been covered before but I can't find it
>>> in the
>>> archives, sorry if it's a repeat.
>>>
>>> I received my QB fuselage last week, and after finding out there
>>> aren't
>>> separate instructions for the QB (just figure out what's already
>>> been done
>>> and don't do it again), I'm at a brief pause. I'm considering going
>>
>> through
>>
>>> the whole thing and drill out all the soft rivets vs. starting at the
>>> beginning of the instructions and drill out as required. Any pros
>>> or cons
>>> for either option?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Attached are some RV10 paint schemes, designed by my 7 year old. Feel
free to use them :-) .
Do not archive
Larry Rosen
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
What sealer do you recommend over the crayon so it doesn't melt off in
the summer?;-) Quite the budding artist you've got there.
Greg
>
> Attached are some RV10 paint schemes, designed by my 7 year
> old. Feel free to use them :-) .
>
> Do not archive
>
> Larry Rosen
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Interior Paint |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Larry,
I just got Mine from Aircraft Spruce. I don't remember the hazmat fee
being too awful bad. It looks to me as if 2 orders of primer will
be enough to do the entire inside with some to spare. That's
2 gallons of each. I'd only buy one 2 gallon set at a time though.
You may just find that you will get by fine with only that much.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
Larry wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> Tim/Bob,
> Where are you getting your paint and primer from. I know I can get the
> Akzo from ACS with a hazmat fee. I am struggling to find a local
> supplier here in New Jersey. There is a local supplier of R-M (BASF)
> paints but I have not heard of anyone using there products. I am
> looking for a 2 part chromated epoxy primer.
>
> Larry Rosen
> #356
> Struggling to choose a primer
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Schemes |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Yeah, my girls, now 4 & 6, think my plane should either be
yellow and orange, or purple and pink. I think they'd love
these designs. :)
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Larry wrote:
> Attached are some RV10 paint schemes, designed by my 7 year old. Feel
> free to use them :-) .
>
> Do not archive
>
> Larry Rosen
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Got to keep the family involved some how.
Greg Young wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
>
>What sealer do you recommend over the crayon so it doesn't melt off in
>the summer?;-) Quite the budding artist you've got there.
>
>Greg
>
>
>
>>Attached are some RV10 paint schemes, designed by my 7 year
>>old. Feel free to use them :-) .
>>
>>Do not archive
>>
>>Larry Rosen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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N535JC 20276 Finishing Tailcone this week!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Subject: RV10-List: Paint Schemes
Attached are some RV10 paint schemes, designed by my 7 year old. Feel
free to use them :-) .
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Larry Rosen
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I'm looking for advice again. Right now I'm well into the construction of
the tailcone and think it might be good to go directly to the fuselage (slow
build) afterward. This way I can eventually connect the two and put it on
the gear. I'm concerned about multiple pieces lying around the shop and see
this as a way to "consolidate" them. Wings would get done after this. Is
this an okay idea? Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Sean Blair
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| Subject: | FW: Pictures of your RV-10 |
Hey everyone. Just thought I would do a little showing off. Attached are
the pictures of the seats that I came up with through Oregon Aero. Two tone
leather and then I had them embroider some clip art and the wording into the
tops of the seats. They should go nicely with the paint scheme and Hooker
Harnesses of the same colors. Be warned though......on top of the
"included" price in the finish kit of the two front seats, I shelled out
over $3,800.00 for the upholstery and back seat cores. Maybe not smart, but
I'll be looking at them everyday for years and don't think I'll regret it
later. Oregon Aero said they may feature these in there upcoming catalog.
Overall they were good to deal with, but there seemed to be somewhat of a
disconnect between them and Van's along the way. No complaints now though.
Sean Blair
N967SB (reserved)
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Dimple Dies |
I'm getting ready to dimple everything on my left tank. Wondering what
the general consensus is on how to use the fuel tank dimple dies.
Should I just use them on the inside pieces and use the regular dies on
the skins, or do I need the bigger dimple on the skin also to accomodate
sealant coming up around the rivet heads?
Thanks in advance,
John
#40208 Wings
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Be careful, or you're going to end up with "Hello Kitty" all over your airplane!
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint Schemes
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Yeah, my girls, now 4 & 6, think my plane should either be
yellow and orange, or purple and pink. I think they'd love
these designs. :)
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
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Larry wrote:
> Attached are some RV10 paint schemes, designed by my 7 year old. Feel
> free to use them :-) .
>
> Do not archive
>
> Larry Rosen
>
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Sean
Will you order both the wings and the fuselage at the same time? The reason
I ask is that the spar center section comes with the wings and you'll need this
for the fuselage. Others that are farther along can give you a better idea
if changing the sequence would work.
John Hasbrouck
#40264
Fuel tanks kicking my A**
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| Subject: | RE: Throttle cable bracket |
Did I ask this once before? We're working on our center radio console, which will
be below the throttle in the center while we are (still) waiting for a Finish
Kit.
Can anyone shed light on when the mount for the throttle cable is fabricated and/or
installed? Is that with the Finish Kit or with the Firewall Forward Kit?
Anyone care to scan in a page of the plans or pass on the basic dimensions of
that thing?
Thanks,
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap Positioning System Documentation
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Thanks for sending this out Bob. I noticed that the .jpgs to the group
came out messed up, but I posted it on my site as well.
You can get it off my Tips link (in .jpg or .pdf) from:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips
or direct here in .pdf
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/flap_positioner/FlapPositionerInstall.pdf
(The .pdf will be easier to download and read)
I also posted some new items that might be of interest to some. I ended
up finishing my ordering of large items for the panel today, and quickly
wanted to lay out my panel because we're gonna be scrambling to get it
cut so it's ready for OSH. To see how the layout would fit, I created
the major items in True-size printable .jpg's available on the tips page
as well. I taped them up to the panel and tested for fit.
I found that with my current layout, the center rib will likely not be
an issue, but once again the overall height that Van's provides us with
the panel is a very limiting factor. I can make 3-1/8" backup
instruments fit, but 2-1/4" fit much better. I have some good photos
available on a link off from: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel
I'm really starting to wish that they would have made that panel 1"
taller.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> Somebody requested the documentation for the Van's flap positioning
> system in .pdf. Unfortunately I have a few domestic IT issues that
> prevent me from doing the conversion but I've attached .jpg files of
> the two pages. Just in case the list strips the attachments I've
> cc'd Tim and maybe he can post them.
>
> Sorry about the file sizes - I was concerned that if I compressed
> them further it would compromise the readability.
>
> Bob #40105
>
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All,
Just found some used $0.25 clecos for anybody else that needs to round out
their original set.
www.countrysidewalk.com <http://www.countrysidewalk.com/>
Look under their tool shed..
Rob Wright
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
How did you manage to get the seats already, or did you already
get your finishing kit and fuselage, you just haven't started
on them?
Other than the wing center section, I don't see any reason why
you couldn't start the fuselage first if you had to.
Tim
Sean Blair wrote:
> Im looking for advice again. Right now Im well into the construction
> of the tailcone and think it might be good to go directly to the
> fuselage (slow build) afterward. This way I can eventually connect the
> two and put it on the gear. Im concerned about multiple pieces lying
> around the shop and see this as a way to consolidate them. Wings
> would get done after this. Is this an okay idea? Any input would be
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Sean Blair
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Sean Blair" <seanblair@adelphia.net>
Many months ago I sold the Harley (miss it lots) to get the airframe, so I
have it in the shop. I had intentions to build this much more aggressively
than reality and a promotion at work would allow. Not bad problems but these
developments changed the timetable considerably. Well ahead on buying but
way behind on building. Sounds like it's okay to proceed this way. Thanks
for the help!!! Someday.........I will fly.
Sean
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuselage
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
How did you manage to get the seats already, or did you already
get your finishing kit and fuselage, you just haven't started
on them?
Other than the wing center section, I don't see any reason why
you couldn't start the fuselage first if you had to.
Tim
Sean Blair wrote:
> I'm looking for advice again. Right now I'm well into the construction
> of the tailcone and think it might be good to go directly to the
> fuselage (slow build) afterward. This way I can eventually connect the
> two and put it on the gear. I'm concerned about multiple pieces lying
> around the shop and see this as a way to "consolidate" them. Wings
> would get done after this. Is this an okay idea? Any input would be
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Sean Blair
>
>
>
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Anyone have a good source to get assembly lubes for engine build up?
TDT
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Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuselage
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Sean Blair" <seanblair@adelphia.net>
Many months ago I sold the Harley (miss it lots) to get the airframe, so I
have it in the shop. I had intentions to build this much more aggressively
than reality and a promotion at work would allow. Not bad problems but these
developments changed the timetable considerably. Well ahead on buying but
way behind on building. Sounds like it's okay to proceed this way. Thanks
for the help!!! Someday.........I will fly.
Sean
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuselage
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
How did you manage to get the seats already, or did you already
get your finishing kit and fuselage, you just haven't started
on them?
Other than the wing center section, I don't see any reason why
you couldn't start the fuselage first if you had to.
Tim
Sean Blair wrote:
> I'm looking for advice again. Right now I'm well into the construction
> of the tailcone and think it might be good to go directly to the
> fuselage (slow build) afterward. This way I can eventually connect the
> two and put it on the gear. I'm concerned about multiple pieces lying
> around the shop and see this as a way to "consolidate" them. Wings
> would get done after this. Is this an okay idea? Any input would be
> appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Sean Blair
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Throttle cable bracket |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I'm not 100% sure of this, but here goes...
I just received and inventoried my Firewall Forward kit Friday
and Saturday. In it were my throttle/mixture/prop cables, and
the 3 level throttle. (very cool) I might remember inventorying
the bracket in my Finishing kit that would work with the push-pull
setup. So I'm not sure exactly what to assume. Looking at the
plans that come with the FWF kit, they don't include the
mounting of the bracket, so I'm betting that it must be in the
Finishing kit...but, it's been a while since I inventoried the
Finishing kit so I might just not be remembering correctly.
I'll let someone else try to provide a better answer, and the
dimensions, and then if nobody replies soon I can shoot a
photo of the plans and send it to you.
If you're thinking of doing the 3-lever controls, which would
be cool with a center console, what I'd do is just order the
controls separately and then don't get them with the FWF
kit. The 3 lever thing comes in it's own box.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> Did I ask this once before? We're working on our center radio
> console, which will be below the throttle in the center while we are
> (still) waiting for a Finish Kit.
>
> Can anyone shed light on when the mount for the throttle cable is
> fabricated and/or installed? Is that with the Finish Kit or with the
> Firewall Forward Kit? Anyone care to scan in a page of the plans or
> pass on the basic dimensions of that thing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> TDT 40025
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
> Sent: Fri 6/3/2005 12:13 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re:
> RV10-List: Flap Positioning System Documentation
>
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Thanks for sending this out Bob. I noticed that the .jpgs to the
> group came out messed up, but I posted it on my site as well.
>
> You can get it off my Tips link (in .jpg or .pdf) from:
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/tips
>
> or direct here in .pdf
> http://www.myrv10.com/tips/flap_positioner/FlapPositionerInstall.pdf
> (The .pdf will be easier to download and read)
>
> I also posted some new items that might be of interest to some. I
> ended up finishing my ordering of large items for the panel today,
> and quickly wanted to lay out my panel because we're gonna be
> scrambling to get it cut so it's ready for OSH. To see how the
> layout would fit, I created the major items in True-size printable
> .jpg's available on the tips page as well. I taped them up to the
> panel and tested for fit.
>
> I found that with my current layout, the center rib will likely not
> be an issue, but once again the overall height that Van's provides us
> with the panel is a very limiting factor. I can make 3-1/8" backup
> instruments fit, but 2-1/4" fit much better. I have some good photos
> available on a link off from: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel
> I'm really starting to wish that they would have made that panel 1"
> taller.
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 Current project: Fuselage
>
>
>
> Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
>> Somebody requested the documentation for the Van's flap positioning
>> system in .pdf. Unfortunately I have a few domestic IT issues
>> that prevent me from doing the conversion but I've attached .jpg
>> files of the two pages. Just in case the list strips the
>> attachments I've cc'd Tim and maybe he can post them.
>>
>> Sorry about the file sizes - I was concerned that if I compressed
>> them further it would compromise the readability.
>>
>> Bob #40105
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
The clecos are used. and look out for the shipping charge. $15.55 for
me. If you are buying enough it could still make it less expensive than
$0.35 from brown tool. Cleco side grip clamps for $1.00
Robert G. Wright wrote:
> All,
>
> Just found some used $0.25 clecos for anybody else that needs to round
> out their original set.
>
> www.countrysidewalk.com <http://www.countrysidewalk.com/>
>
> Look under their tool shed.
>
> Rob Wright
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Lubes, etc |
--> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>Anyone have a good source to get assembly lubes for engine build up?
>
>TDT
>
Almost any good auto parts place.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Dimple Dies |
John,
Borrow mine, let me know when you can come over, I'll leave them in a secet location
if our schedules are off. I liked how they worked and I didn't have any
high rivets.
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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From: Droopy Erickson
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Dimple Dies
I'm getting ready to dimple everything on my left tank. Wondering what the general
consensus is on how to use the fuel tank dimple dies. Should I just use
them on the inside pieces and use the regular dies on the skins, or do I need
the bigger dimple on the skin also to accomodate sealant coming up around the
rivet heads?
Thanks in advance,
John
#40208 Wings
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Sean,
Only thing I can think of that would cause an issue is the wing spar center section,
it comes with the wings and it is used in step #3 of the fuselage page 2
(25-2) So you may want to reconsider. My wings, completed take up a 24 " wide
by 14' long by 6' high space on their stand. not much room to have to give up.
Rick S.
40185
Wings
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Blair
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 5:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: fuselage
I'm looking for advice again. Right now I'm well into the construction of the
tailcone and think it might be good to go directly to the fuselage (slow build)
afterward. This way I can eventually connect the two and put it on the gear.
I'm concerned about multiple pieces lying around the shop and see this as
a way to "consolidate" them. Wings would get done after this. Is this an okay
idea? Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Sean Blair
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