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1. 07:47 AM - Re: Re: Paint (Randy DeBauw)
2. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Paint (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
3. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Paint (Dj Merrill)
4. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Paint (Neal George)
5. 09:53 AM - Dent in HS skin (Jay Brinkmeyer)
6. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Paint (James Hein)
7. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: Paint (Randy DeBauw)
8. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: PaintPaint (Gary Specketer)
9. 03:49 PM - -10 rear seat cushions (John Hasbrouck)
10. 05:51 PM - Re: -10 rear seat cushions (Larry)
11. 06:03 PM - Wing Kit (BBreckenridge@att.net)
12. 06:42 PM - Brake Pedals (Jim Combs)
13. 07:17 PM - Re: RV10-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 06/08/05 (Buhwana)
14. 07:21 PM - Vettermann Exhaust (Jesse Saint)
15. 08:44 PM - Re: Paint (Robert G. Wright)
16. 09:09 PM - Re: Paint (Tim Olson)
17. 09:51 PM - Re: Vettermann Exhaust (Deems Davis)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
I think I should do my plane first before offering my services. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Randy has a computer vinyl cutter. All we need now are VAN's Autocad
coordinates for him. Just think a whole new world with glass bead
vinyl, gold leaf or spectrum tape accent striping.
Randy, give us a price. I've got the 2005 Computer Graphics Pricing
Guide and product selection book, if your game. We can direct RV-10
builders to their local supplier and set you up in a moonlight business
now that you are getting rusty bucking rivets and flying off hours on
the IO-540.
John - KUAO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Another option is what the OEMs do: paint the base coat and get some
high-quality vinyl graphics to do the fancy stripes . . .
TDT
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
It might be heavy, but an interesting application of vinyl graphics is when they
encase an entire bus or trolley car in one giant vinyl graphic that wraps around
it.
Unfortunately, in those cases, it's usually an advertisement, but think of the
possibilities . . .
America West used to have giant "nature scene" images on their tails. I wonder
if those were printed vinyl graphics. I did notice an AC-130 gunship at an airshow
had a "Spectre" nose art that was a big decal . . .
I think I'll put a huge picture of Angelina Jolie on my RV-10 . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
I think I should do my plane first before offering my services. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Randy has a computer vinyl cutter. All we need now are VAN's Autocad
coordinates for him. Just think a whole new world with glass bead
vinyl, gold leaf or spectrum tape accent striping.
Randy, give us a price. I've got the 2005 Computer Graphics Pricing
Guide and product selection book, if your game. We can direct RV-10
builders to their local supplier and set you up in a moonlight business
now that you are getting rusty bucking rivets and flying off hours on
the IO-540.
John - KUAO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Another option is what the OEMs do: paint the base coat and get some
high-quality vinyl graphics to do the fancy stripes . . .
TDT
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> I think I'll put a huge picture of Angelina Jolie on my RV-10 . . .
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Hmmm - nice wings....
-Dj
do not archive
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Neal George" <neal@appaero.com>
Now where's the adventure in that... ;/
neal
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
I think I should do my plane first before offering my services. Randy
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
I too had a similar experience, but mine was a bucking bar "outsie". Van's said
to use a ball-pen hammer to create a dent and then fill with micro balloons.
Seems reasonable, but I decided to wait until paint prep to mess with it.
Jay
(finally riveting wing bottom skins)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill and Tami
Britton
Subject: RV10-List: Dent in HS skin
While riveting the HS nose ribs in tonight we had an accident with the
bucking bar and accidentally put a dent in the leading edge of the HS skin.
I'll try to post a picture. If that doesn't happen contact me if you can
offer any ideas and I'll e-mail you the picture. Meanwhile, any thoughts or
suggestions or do I just let the paint shop work this one out???
TIA
Bill Britton
Riveting HS
__________________________________
http://discover.yahoo.com/
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--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Randy Randy Randy........
People are offering to let you practice on their planes so you can
get your skills down and do yours perfect! :)
-Jim 40384, starting H.S. front spar deburring.....
Randy DeBauw wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
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>I think I should do my plane first before offering my services. Randy
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:44 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint
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>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
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>Randy has a computer vinyl cutter. All we need now are VAN's Autocad
>coordinates for him. Just think a whole new world with glass bead
>vinyl, gold leaf or spectrum tape accent striping.
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>Randy, give us a price. I've got the 2005 Computer Graphics Pricing
>Guide and product selection book, if your game. We can direct RV-10
>builders to their local supplier and set you up in a moonlight business
>now that you are getting rusty bucking rivets and flying off hours on
>the IO-540.
>
>John - KUAO
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
>Dawson-Townsend
>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:47 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
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>Another option is what the OEMs do: paint the base coat and get some
>high-quality vinyl graphics to do the fancy stripes . . .
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>TDT
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Ahh. You are right. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Paint
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Randy Randy Randy........
People are offering to let you practice on their planes so you can
get your skills down and do yours perfect! :)
-Jim 40384, starting H.S. front spar deburring.....
Randy DeBauw wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
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>I think I should do my plane first before offering my services. Randy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:44 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint
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>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
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>Randy has a computer vinyl cutter. All we need now are VAN's Autocad
>coordinates for him. Just think a whole new world with glass bead
>vinyl, gold leaf or spectrum tape accent striping.
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>Randy, give us a price. I've got the 2005 Computer Graphics Pricing
>Guide and product selection book, if your game. We can direct RV-10
>builders to their local supplier and set you up in a moonlight business
>now that you are getting rusty bucking rivets and flying off hours on
>the IO-540.
>
>John - KUAO
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
>Dawson-Townsend
>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:47 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint
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>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
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>Another option is what the OEMs do: paint the base coat and get some
>high-quality vinyl graphics to do the fancy stripes . . .
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| Subject: | Re: RE: PaintPaint |
I have had luck in the past by going to a top notch painter, who I
cannot afford, and paying him to come over and supervise my work. He
would outline step one and then I would call him when I was finished. He
would inspect and make me rework the flaws and outline step 2 etc. I
got an OSH Lindy award paint job at a fraction of his normal charge. We
both felt that it was a good deal as he had more work than he could do
anyhow. Any mistakes in prep were caught before the next task was done.
Something to consider.
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| Subject: | -10 rear seat cushions |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
FYI. Vans now has rear seat cushion sets. Unapholstered for $180.00 for two
seats. Not a bad price when you consider Oregon Aero's prices.
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| Subject: | Re: -10 rear seat cushions |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Whats the difference, besides $398?
John Hasbrouck wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
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> FYI. Vans now has rear seat cushion sets. Unapholstered for $180.00
> for two seats. Not a bad price when you consider Oregon Aero's prices.
>
> On Jun 7, 2005, at 3:39 PM, Mark Chamberlain wrote:
>
> I forgot who asked!! I purchased my rear seat cores from Oregon
> Aero for $578. That's both seats uncovered. I had all four of my
> seats covered with fabric by a local auto/boat shop for $700 and
> they look pretty good. Mark (40016)
>
>
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For those of you that placed your wing kit orders just before the price jump (April
1st??) like I did, I got the call today that it's ON TIME and ready for retrieval
from the mines at Van's. My delivery date was June 13th according to
the letter I received last month (or so).
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For those of you that placed your wing kit orders just before the price jump (April
1st??) like I did, I got the call today that it's ON TIME and ready for retrieval
from the mines at Van's. My delivery date was June 13th according to
the letter I received last month (or so).
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
While looking at the plans for the brake pedals, I notice they called for AN470
AD4-5 rivets on the plates where the feet are. Not wanting to have the bumps
I countersunk and used AN426-AD4-5 rivets instead. Nice and flat.
Wanting a non skid surface, I went to the local "Home Depot" ( Aviation Department
of course!) and purchased a roll of exterior outdoor tread in a 4" wide 180"
(101 mm x 4.57M) roll. It is made by 3M and is black (Just the color I was
looking for!). SKU-5113179079 Stuff almost looks like a course grade of sandpaper.
I may also put some of this on the floor area just below the seats to prevent slipping
during boarding.
Jim Combs
#40192
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 06/08/05 |
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Not sure where you live but if you ever plan on flying into Mexico I
*think* they require the larger numbers.
Tom
lurker and RV-10 wantabe
On Jun 9, 2005, at 1:58 AM, RV10-List Digest Server wrote:
> The thing that stands out is the small N-numbers though. I realize
> that A) they may be temporary, and B) some people prefer smaller
> numbers, and C) that you may be able to get by with small
> N-numbers and not get in trouble, but....here's what I ran
> across today...
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| Subject: | Vettermann Exhaust |
We are working on the exhaust right now. Apparently it is not the same
system that Randy has and it is definitely not the same as is in the plans.
This makes it very difficult to install when you don't know exactly how to
route the exhaust and support it. Does anybody have their installed that
could help by sending some pictures?
Van's seemed to think that they weren't going to modify their plans for the
new exhaust. Does anybody know if they have changed their minds?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
Tim,
You might wanna put a sky-blue background on some of your pics to help us
"see" how the plane'll look in the air. After all, isn't that the acid
test: an airborne picture of your artistic design against the blue azure of
altitude...?
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
While we're on the subject of paint....
Last night I just stayed up working designs with my wife. I'm hoping
to finalize my paint decision so that I have time to get an embroidery
pattern created, and have a couple of shirts embroidered before OSH...
I find that trying to design and think up paint schemes is agonizing.
Here are some of my 2nd run of ideas.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/index.html
Any comments would be welcomed, and suggestions as to a) alternative
ideas, or b) how easily paintable some of these would be, would be
very appreciated. Feel free to download any of them if you think
you'd like them yourself, and I also have the line drawings there
for you to use when designing your own schemes. I created the
3D view from a photo of the Van's N410RV, and I used the CAD
drawings for the side view.
Once I get the side view picked out and finalized, I will be preparing
the line drawings for the top and front view as well, and then working
it into the 3D view. I found that I couldn't design very well in
3D because you couldn't tell how the paint would look around the
N-Number.
Tim
PS: I got myself a real nice high-end paint gun:
SataJet RP Digital II. It's known as being a spectacular gun, which
I'll need, as I'm sure I'm not a spectacular painter. ;)
For those looking for sprayguns, check out:
http://www.spraygunindustry.com/
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
Randy DeBauw wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>
> I think it is even better looking then the photo shows. The white
> doesn't look good in the photo and in person I bet it look fabulous. I
> do like the green. I am contemplating doing a Cirrus style stripes.
> Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Dawson-Townsend
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paint
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> --> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
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> I think Ed McGinty is winnging the paint contest so far . . .
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?postid=9165
>
> TDT
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hasbrouck
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:54 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel tank countersink ?
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck"
> --> <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>
> Rick & Dan,
> Thanks for the great advice. Warming up the microstop, getting
> ready to go......john
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Not a bad idea.....better than putting my hanger as a background,
right....hope it doesn't spend TOO much time in there. ;)
Tim
do not archive
Robert G. Wright wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
>
> Tim,
>
> You might wanna put a sky-blue background on some of your pics to help us
> "see" how the plane'll look in the air. After all, isn't that the acid
> test: an airborne picture of your artistic design against the blue azure of
> altitude...?
>
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:01 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> While we're on the subject of paint....
> Last night I just stayed up working designs with my wife. I'm hoping
> to finalize my paint decision so that I have time to get an embroidery
> pattern created, and have a couple of shirts embroidered before OSH...
> I find that trying to design and think up paint schemes is agonizing.
> Here are some of my 2nd run of ideas.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/index.html
>
> Any comments would be welcomed, and suggestions as to a) alternative
> ideas, or b) how easily paintable some of these would be, would be
> very appreciated. Feel free to download any of them if you think
> you'd like them yourself, and I also have the line drawings there
> for you to use when designing your own schemes. I created the
> 3D view from a photo of the Van's N410RV, and I used the CAD
> drawings for the side view.
>
> Once I get the side view picked out and finalized, I will be preparing
> the line drawings for the top and front view as well, and then working
> it into the 3D view. I found that I couldn't design very well in
> 3D because you couldn't tell how the paint would look around the
> N-Number.
>
> Tim
>
> PS: I got myself a real nice high-end paint gun:
> SataJet RP Digital II. It's known as being a spectacular gun, which
> I'll need, as I'm sure I'm not a spectacular painter. ;)
> For those looking for sprayguns, check out:
> http://www.spraygunindustry.com/
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
> Randy DeBauw wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>>
>>I think it is even better looking then the photo shows. The white
>>doesn't look good in the photo and in person I bet it look fabulous. I
>>do like the green. I am contemplating doing a Cirrus style stripes.
>>Randy
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
>>Dawson-Townsend
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:59 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paint
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>>--> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>>
>>
>>I think Ed McGinty is winnging the paint contest so far . . .
>>
>>http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?postid=9165
>>
>>TDT
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hasbrouck
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:54 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel tank countersink ?
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck"
>>--> <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
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>>Rick & Dan,
>> Thanks for the great advice. Warming up the microstop, getting
>>ready to go......john
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| Subject: | Re: Vettermann Exhaust |
Doug Peterson installed Vetterman, here's a link to the pages on his web site
http://members.cox.net/rvator/id53.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Vettermann Exhaust
We are working on the exhaust right now. Apparently it is not the same system
that Randy has and it is definitely not the same as is in the plans. This makes
it very difficult to install when you don't know exactly how to route the
exhaust and support it. Does anybody have their installed that could help by
sending some pictures?
Van's seemed to think that they weren't going to modify their plans for the new
exhaust. Does anybody know if they have changed their minds?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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