---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/09/05: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:47 AM - Re: Re: Paint (Randy DeBauw) 2. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Paint (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 3. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Paint (Dj Merrill) 4. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Paint (Neal George) 5. 09:53 AM - Dent in HS skin (Jay Brinkmeyer) 6. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Paint (James Hein) 7. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: Paint (Randy DeBauw) 8. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: PaintPaint (Gary Specketer) 9. 03:49 PM - -10 rear seat cushions (John Hasbrouck) 10. 05:51 PM - Re: -10 rear seat cushions (Larry) 11. 06:03 PM - Wing Kit (BBreckenridge@att.net) 12. 06:42 PM - Brake Pedals (Jim Combs) 13. 07:17 PM - Re: RV10-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 06/08/05 (Buhwana) 14. 07:21 PM - Vettermann Exhaust (Jesse Saint) 15. 08:44 PM - Re: Paint (Robert G. Wright) 16. 09:09 PM - Re: Paint (Tim Olson) 17. 09:51 PM - Re: Vettermann Exhaust (Deems Davis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:20 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint From: "Randy DeBauw" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" I think I should do my plane first before offering my services. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" Randy has a computer vinyl cutter. All we need now are VAN's Autocad coordinates for him. Just think a whole new world with glass bead vinyl, gold leaf or spectrum tape accent striping. Randy, give us a price. I've got the 2005 Computer Graphics Pricing Guide and product selection book, if your game. We can direct RV-10 builders to their local supplier and set you up in a moonlight business now that you are getting rusty bucking rivets and flying off hours on the IO-540. John - KUAO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Another option is what the OEMs do: paint the base coat and get some high-quality vinyl graphics to do the fancy stripes . . . TDT ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:07 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" It might be heavy, but an interesting application of vinyl graphics is when they encase an entire bus or trolley car in one giant vinyl graphic that wraps around it. Unfortunately, in those cases, it's usually an advertisement, but think of the possibilities . . . America West used to have giant "nature scene" images on their tails. I wonder if those were printed vinyl graphics. I did notice an AC-130 gunship at an airshow had a "Spectre" nose art that was a big decal . . . I think I'll put a huge picture of Angelina Jolie on my RV-10 . . . TDT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" I think I should do my plane first before offering my services. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" Randy has a computer vinyl cutter. All we need now are VAN's Autocad coordinates for him. Just think a whole new world with glass bead vinyl, gold leaf or spectrum tape accent striping. Randy, give us a price. I've got the 2005 Computer Graphics Pricing Guide and product selection book, if your game. We can direct RV-10 builders to their local supplier and set you up in a moonlight business now that you are getting rusty bucking rivets and flying off hours on the IO-540. John - KUAO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Another option is what the OEMs do: paint the base coat and get some high-quality vinyl graphics to do the fancy stripes . . . TDT ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:53 AM PST US From: Dj Merrill Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Paint --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote: > I think I'll put a huge picture of Angelina Jolie on my RV-10 . . . > Hmmm - nice wings.... -Dj do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:19 AM PST US From: "Neal George" Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint --> RV10-List message posted by: "Neal George" Now where's the adventure in that... ;/ neal --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" I think I should do my plane first before offering my services. Randy ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:29 AM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=bwFigjJT2oOnqJF+dA9dyEzclWBv/2MBwXZ5bJZE+29nh/Z49BGHnvwmxzd5JjYBpBsLK7k+20Eb475VIhyNkretlfIHlkNtDlwsQjA6Cg/+aZ4J1hpUwwtMbQla5A9dH067O9JUIIa9fe4XBDWl1atfkTtZhS6BiiW9yzr4lZo= ; From: Jay Brinkmeyer Subject: RV10-List: Dent in HS skin --> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer I too had a similar experience, but mine was a bucking bar "outsie". Van's said to use a ball-pen hammer to create a dent and then fill with micro balloons. Seems reasonable, but I decided to wait until paint prep to mess with it. Jay (finally riveting wing bottom skins) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill and Tami Britton Subject: RV10-List: Dent in HS skin While riveting the HS nose ribs in tonight we had an accident with the bucking bar and accidentally put a dent in the leading edge of the HS skin. I'll try to post a picture. If that doesn't happen contact me if you can offer any ideas and I'll e-mail you the picture. Meanwhile, any thoughts or suggestions or do I just let the paint shop work this one out??? TIA Bill Britton Riveting HS __________________________________ http://discover.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:23 PM PST US d="scan'208"; a="987711874:sNHT34038916" From: James Hein Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Paint --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein Randy Randy Randy........ People are offering to let you practice on their planes so you can get your skills down and do yours perfect! :) -Jim 40384, starting H.S. front spar deburring..... Randy DeBauw wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" > >I think I should do my plane first before offering my services. Randy > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:44 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint > >--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" > >Randy has a computer vinyl cutter. All we need now are VAN's Autocad >coordinates for him. Just think a whole new world with glass bead >vinyl, gold leaf or spectrum tape accent striping. > >Randy, give us a price. I've got the 2005 Computer Graphics Pricing >Guide and product selection book, if your game. We can direct RV-10 >builders to their local supplier and set you up in a moonlight business >now that you are getting rusty bucking rivets and flying off hours on >the IO-540. > >John - KUAO > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim >Dawson-Townsend >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:47 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint > >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" > > > >Another option is what the OEMs do: paint the base coat and get some >high-quality vinyl graphics to do the fancy stripes . . . > >TDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:15 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint From: "Randy DeBauw" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" Ahh. You are right. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Paint --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein Randy Randy Randy........ People are offering to let you practice on their planes so you can get your skills down and do yours perfect! :) -Jim 40384, starting H.S. front spar deburring..... Randy DeBauw wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" > >I think I should do my plane first before offering my services. Randy > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:44 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint > >--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" > >Randy has a computer vinyl cutter. All we need now are VAN's Autocad >coordinates for him. Just think a whole new world with glass bead >vinyl, gold leaf or spectrum tape accent striping. > >Randy, give us a price. I've got the 2005 Computer Graphics Pricing >Guide and product selection book, if your game. We can direct RV-10 >builders to their local supplier and set you up in a moonlight business >now that you are getting rusty bucking rivets and flying off hours on >the IO-540. > >John - KUAO > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim >Dawson-Townsend >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:47 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Paint > >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" > > > >Another option is what the OEMs do: paint the base coat and get some >high-quality vinyl graphics to do the fancy stripes . . . > >TDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:03 PM PST US From: "Gary Specketer" Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: PaintPaint I have had luck in the past by going to a top notch painter, who I cannot afford, and paying him to come over and supervise my work. He would outline step one and then I would call him when I was finished. He would inspect and make me rework the flaws and outline step 2 etc. I got an OSH Lindy award paint job at a fraction of his normal charge. We both felt that it was a good deal as he had more work than he could do anyhow. Any mistakes in prep were caught before the next task was done. Something to consider. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:14 PM PST US From: "John Hasbrouck" Subject: RV10-List: -10 rear seat cushions --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" FYI. Vans now has rear seat cushion sets. Unapholstered for $180.00 for two seats. Not a bad price when you consider Oregon Aero's prices. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:38 PM PST US From: Larry Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 rear seat cushions --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Whats the difference, besides $398? John Hasbrouck wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" > > FYI. Vans now has rear seat cushion sets. Unapholstered for $180.00 > for two seats. Not a bad price when you consider Oregon Aero's prices. > > On Jun 7, 2005, at 3:39 PM, Mark Chamberlain wrote: > > I forgot who asked!! I purchased my rear seat cores from Oregon > Aero for $578. That's both seats uncovered. I had all four of my > seats covered with fabric by a local auto/boat shop for $700 and > they look pretty good. Mark (40016) > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:18 PM PST US From: BBreckenridge@att.net Subject: RV10-List: Wing Kit For those of you that placed your wing kit orders just before the price jump (April 1st??) like I did, I got the call today that it's ON TIME and ready for retrieval from the mines at Van's. My delivery date was June 13th according to the letter I received last month (or so). For those of you that placed your wing kit orders just before the price jump (April 1st??) like I did, I got the call today that it's ON TIME and ready for retrieval from the mines at Van's. My delivery date was June 13th according to the letter I received last month (or so). ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:20 PM PST US From: "Jim Combs" Subject: RV10-List: Brake Pedals --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" While looking at the plans for the brake pedals, I notice they called for AN470 AD4-5 rivets on the plates where the feet are. Not wanting to have the bumps I countersunk and used AN426-AD4-5 rivets instead. Nice and flat. Wanting a non skid surface, I went to the local "Home Depot" ( Aviation Department of course!) and purchased a roll of exterior outdoor tread in a 4" wide 180" (101 mm x 4.57M) roll. It is made by 3M and is black (Just the color I was looking for!). SKU-5113179079 Stuff almost looks like a course grade of sandpaper. I may also put some of this on the floor area just below the seats to prevent slipping during boarding. Jim Combs #40192 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:26 PM PST US d="scan'208,217"; a="992111674:sNHT20403080" From: Buhwana Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 06/08/05 0.03 HTML_TEXT_AFTER_HTML BODY: HTML contains text after HTML close tag 0.06 HTML_TEXT_AFTER_BODY BODY: HTML contains text after BODY close tag Not sure where you live but if you ever plan on flying into Mexico I *think* they require the larger numbers. Tom lurker and RV-10 wantabe On Jun 9, 2005, at 1:58 AM, RV10-List Digest Server wrote: > The thing that stands out is the small N-numbers though. I realize > that A) they may be temporary, and B) some people prefer smaller > numbers, and C) that you may be able to get by with small > N-numbers and not get in trouble, but....here's what I ran > across today... ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:47 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RV10-List: Vettermann Exhaust We are working on the exhaust right now. Apparently it is not the same system that Randy has and it is definitely not the same as is in the plans. This makes it very difficult to install when you don't know exactly how to route the exhaust and support it. Does anybody have their installed that could help by sending some pictures? Van's seemed to think that they weren't going to modify their plans for the new exhaust. Does anybody know if they have changed their minds? Thanks. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:24 PM PST US From: "Robert G. Wright" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paint --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" Tim, You might wanna put a sky-blue background on some of your pics to help us "see" how the plane'll look in the air. After all, isn't that the acid test: an airborne picture of your artistic design against the blue azure of altitude...? Rob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson While we're on the subject of paint.... Last night I just stayed up working designs with my wife. I'm hoping to finalize my paint decision so that I have time to get an embroidery pattern created, and have a couple of shirts embroidered before OSH... I find that trying to design and think up paint schemes is agonizing. Here are some of my 2nd run of ideas. http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/index.html Any comments would be welcomed, and suggestions as to a) alternative ideas, or b) how easily paintable some of these would be, would be very appreciated. Feel free to download any of them if you think you'd like them yourself, and I also have the line drawings there for you to use when designing your own schemes. I created the 3D view from a photo of the Van's N410RV, and I used the CAD drawings for the side view. Once I get the side view picked out and finalized, I will be preparing the line drawings for the top and front view as well, and then working it into the 3D view. I found that I couldn't design very well in 3D because you couldn't tell how the paint would look around the N-Number. Tim PS: I got myself a real nice high-end paint gun: SataJet RP Digital II. It's known as being a spectacular gun, which I'll need, as I'm sure I'm not a spectacular painter. ;) For those looking for sprayguns, check out: http://www.spraygunindustry.com/ Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 Current project: Fuselage Randy DeBauw wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" > > I think it is even better looking then the photo shows. The white > doesn't look good in the photo and in person I bet it look fabulous. I > do like the green. I am contemplating doing a Cirrus style stripes. > Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim > Dawson-Townsend > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:59 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paint > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" > --> > > > I think Ed McGinty is winnging the paint contest so far . . . > > http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?postid=9165 > > TDT > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hasbrouck > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:54 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel tank countersink ? > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" > --> > > Rick & Dan, > Thanks for the great advice. Warming up the microstop, getting > ready to go......john > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:46 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Not a bad idea.....better than putting my hanger as a background, right....hope it doesn't spend TOO much time in there. ;) Tim do not archive Robert G. Wright wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" > > Tim, > > You might wanna put a sky-blue background on some of your pics to help us > "see" how the plane'll look in the air. After all, isn't that the acid > test: an airborne picture of your artistic design against the blue azure of > altitude...? > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:01 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > While we're on the subject of paint.... > Last night I just stayed up working designs with my wife. I'm hoping > to finalize my paint decision so that I have time to get an embroidery > pattern created, and have a couple of shirts embroidered before OSH... > I find that trying to design and think up paint schemes is agonizing. > Here are some of my 2nd run of ideas. > > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/index.html > > Any comments would be welcomed, and suggestions as to a) alternative > ideas, or b) how easily paintable some of these would be, would be > very appreciated. Feel free to download any of them if you think > you'd like them yourself, and I also have the line drawings there > for you to use when designing your own schemes. I created the > 3D view from a photo of the Van's N410RV, and I used the CAD > drawings for the side view. > > Once I get the side view picked out and finalized, I will be preparing > the line drawings for the top and front view as well, and then working > it into the 3D view. I found that I couldn't design very well in > 3D because you couldn't tell how the paint would look around the > N-Number. > > Tim > > PS: I got myself a real nice high-end paint gun: > SataJet RP Digital II. It's known as being a spectacular gun, which > I'll need, as I'm sure I'm not a spectacular painter. ;) > For those looking for sprayguns, check out: > http://www.spraygunindustry.com/ > > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 > Current project: Fuselage > > > Randy DeBauw wrote: > >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" >> >>I think it is even better looking then the photo shows. The white >>doesn't look good in the photo and in person I bet it look fabulous. I >>do like the green. I am contemplating doing a Cirrus style stripes. >>Randy >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim >>Dawson-Townsend >>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:59 AM >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paint >> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" >>--> >> >> >>I think Ed McGinty is winnging the paint contest so far . . . >> >>http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?postid=9165 >> >>TDT >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hasbrouck >>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:54 AM >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel tank countersink ? >> >> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" >>--> >> >>Rick & Dan, >> Thanks for the great advice. Warming up the microstop, getting >>ready to go......john >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:58 PM PST US From: "Deems Davis" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vettermann Exhaust Doug Peterson installed Vetterman, here's a link to the pages on his web site http://members.cox.net/rvator/id53.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Saint To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: Vettermann Exhaust We are working on the exhaust right now. Apparently it is not the same system that Randy has and it is definitely not the same as is in the plans. This makes it very difficult to install when you don't know exactly how to route the exhaust and support it. Does anybody have their installed that could help by sending some pictures? Van's seemed to think that they weren't going to modify their plans for the new exhaust. Does anybody know if they have changed their minds? Thanks. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694