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1. 06:54 AM - Re: RV-10 Panel Rib modification (Gary Specketer)
2. 07:29 AM - Re: RV-10 Panel Rib modification (Randy DeBauw)
3. 09:36 AM - Chelton AF-2500 Panel (RobHickman@aol.com)
4. 09:43 AM - Re: Chelton AF-2500 Panel (Randy DeBauw)
5. 10:04 AM - Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! (Tim Olson)
6. 10:41 AM - Re: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! (linn walters)
7. 10:47 AM - Re: RV-10 Panel Rib modification (Dean)
8. 11:23 AM - Rolling the Elevator leading edges (Kent Forsythe)
9. 11:33 AM - Re: Chelton AF-2500 Panel (Tim Olson)
10. 11:48 AM - Re: Rolling the Elevator leading edges (James Ochs)
11. 12:02 PM - Re: Rolling the Elevator leading edges (Brian Denk)
12. 12:11 PM - Re: Rolling the Elevator leading edges (Jeff Carpenter)
13. 12:43 PM - Re: Rolling the Elevator leading edges (Randy DeBauw)
14. 12:48 PM - Re: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
15. 01:09 PM - Re: Rolling the Elevator leading edges (Kent Forsythe)
16. 01:36 PM - Andair Fuel Selector (Jay Brinkmeyer)
17. 02:11 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Selector (Tim Olson)
18. 02:17 PM - Re: Rolling the Elevator leading edges (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
19. 02:24 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Selector (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
20. 02:29 PM - Re: RV-10 Panel Rib modification (Chris , Susie McGough)
21. 02:41 PM - Re: Rolling the Elevator leading edges (Jim Wade)
22. 02:42 PM - Re: RV-10 Panel Rib modification (Jim Wade)
23. 02:53 PM - Re: RV-10 Panel Rib modification (Patrick Thyssen)
24. 03:07 PM - Re: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! (Brian Sponcil)
25. 03:07 PM - Re: IO VS O-540s (Brian Sponcil)
26. 03:34 PM - Re: RV-10 Panel Rib modification (Marcus Cooper)
27. 03:41 PM - Re: RV-10 Panel Rib modification (Jesse Saint)
28. 03:47 PM - Re: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! (John Jessen)
29. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: Re: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS (Tim Olson)
30. 04:19 PM - Re: Rolling the Elevator leading edges (Rick)
31. 04:20 PM - Re: Rolling the Elevator leading edges (Jeff Carpenter)
32. 04:26 PM - Re: Rolling the Elevator leading edges (Rick)
33. 04:27 PM - Re: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! (James Hein)
34. 04:39 PM - Re: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! (John Jessen)
35. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: Re: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS (Droopy Erickson)
36. 04:50 PM - Re: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! (Droopy Erickson)
37. 04:50 PM - Re: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! (James Hein)
38. 05:14 PM - Re: Fuel Valve & Handle (Phil White)
39. 06:00 PM - Re: RV-10 Panel Rib modification (Marcus Cooper)
40. 06:07 PM - Re: IO VS O-540s (Marcus Cooper)
41. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Re: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
42. 06:24 PM - Re: Rolling the Elevator leading edges (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
43. 06:24 PM - Re: Rolling the Elevator leading edges (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
44. 06:46 PM - Re: John Deere colors (Mark Grieve)
45. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: Re: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS (Tim Olson)
46. 07:19 PM - QB fuselage (Robert)
47. 07:56 PM - Re: QB fuselage (Byron Gillespie)
48. 08:50 PM - Gascolator (Mark Chamberlain)
49. 08:57 PM - Re: QB fuselage (Larry)
50. 09:14 PM - Extras to Order with QB Wings (Larry)
51. 09:58 PM - Excellent -10 Picture! (Sean Stephens)
52. 10:27 PM - Re: Re: Re: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS (Tim Olson)
53. 10:31 PM - Re: Extras to Order with QB Wings (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Panel Rib modification |
MS21042 was what I had in mind when I suggested a shorter nut to Tim.
It has the same strength but is a lot shorter. However because it is a
metal on metal lock, you should not try and remove and reuse it in
critical locations. It has a less forgiving lock than the nyloc (which
you are not supposed to reuse either, but some get away with it) The
whole key is to have at least 1 1/2 threads showing so that you have
sufficient locking.
Gary
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| Subject: | RV-10 Panel Rib modification |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
My inspection was done by a Technical Inspector that works for the local
FSDO. He said that with AC43 the requirement is 1 thread showing outside
the nylock. I hope that helps. Have you go a copy of AC43. Mine is at
the hanger or I would look it up and get the exact wording. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian
bollaert
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert"
--> <bbollaert@comcast.net>
Hi James :
an A&P mechanic from hanger next to me came over a month ago and
looked over the nuts & bolts on my -10 and pointed out that he was not
comfortable with the amount of thread that was not visable outside the
nut (makes sense to me ) so i have lengthend several at least 5 or 6
threads shoul be visable he said .
Brian B
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>
> Hrm. Is there a list of the locations where this is true? Or do we
need
> to check each nut against the accepted standards?
>
> Where does one get a "thinner" nut? I always thought the nuts were
> pretty standard... do we just need to use longer bolts?
>
> Thanks,
> James
>
> John W. Cox wrote:
>
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox"
<johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> >
> >Nuts spec'ed too thick by plan, was one of the major issues found by
> >Randy's DAR in multiple locations. The change out was easy, but an
EAA
> >Tech visit along the journey is a great recommendation prior to the
> >signoff.
> >
> >John - KUAO
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> >Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:19 PM
> >To: RV10
> >Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
> >
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> >Forgot to add a couple notes to my last email:
> >
> >#1. I also did the modification to my left and right panel ribs, in
> >preparation for my Chelton system. See here for photos:
> >
> >http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050610
> >
> >
> >And, Saturday a.m. I got a great visit from Gary Specketer and his
wife.
> >
> > Gary's an RV-10 builder and EAA Technical counselor who's built a
few
> >other planes in the past. It was fantastic to have someone like him
> >come and look ove rmy work. I might be wrong, but I think the only
> >actual builder who's ever seen my plane is a buddy who's building
> >a -4, so it was great to get his stamp of approval on what I've done
> >so far. I didn't realize that the FAA looks positively at the fact
> >that you've had 3 visits from EAA Tech. counselors. In the short
time
> >he was over, I got good advice on a few issues, and he found a couple
> >of rivets that Van's spec'd too short, and nuts that were spec'd too
> >thick, not allowing enough threads to show. If you haven't looked
> >into an EAA Technical counselor visit, I'd encourage a new builder to
> >probably meet one too look at your Vertical Stab just to ease
> >your mind, and then possibly inspect at the end of your empennage,
> >and end of the wings. Since this was my first visit out of at
> >least 3 that I should try for, I'll probably do one as a pre-signoff
> >inspection, and maybe one a the time I mate up my wings. It's a
> >great and valuable service these guys are performing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> There is an art . . . to flying. The knack lies in learning how to
throw
yourself at the ground and miss. - Douglas Adams, 'The Hitchhikers Guide
to
the Galaxy'
>
>
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| Subject: | Chelton AF-2500 Panel |
Here is the drawing of the panel for my RV-10. I will have the panel in our
booth at Oshkosh (Building D), stop by and take a look.
I almost always fly with one of my kids/copilots so I wanted to set up the
panel so that it could be flown from both seats. The AF-1000 MFD-AirData
computer=E2=80=99s mounted next to the Chelton screens can display independent
Airspeed,
Altitude, Vertical Speed, and/or EFIS data. We are also planning on adding
the ability to display the SL30 glideslope data as two needles.
We will be showing at Oshkosh the AF-2500 Engine Monitor interface to the
Chelton System. Having all your engine data displayed on a background page
might be ok for a turbine, for a piston engine I want it visible all the time.
I can=E2=80=99t stand not being able to see all the data from one page all=20the
time,
this is why I started making the engine monitor in the first place.
Then again I am trying to sell engine monitors.
Rob Hickman
_www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com_ (http://www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com)
RV-10 #40204
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| Subject: | Chelton AF-2500 Panel |
Looks nice Rob. What color fiberglass did you decide on. Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RobHickman@aol.com
Subject: RV10-List: Chelton AF-2500 Panel
Here is the drawing of the panel for my RV-10. I will have the panel in
our booth at Oshkosh (Building D), stop by and take a look.
I almost always fly with one of my kids/copilots so I wanted to set up
the panel so that it could be flown from both seats. The AF-1000
MFD-AirData computer's mounted next to the Chelton screens can display
independent Airspeed, Altitude, Vertical Speed, and/or EFIS data. We
are also planning on adding the ability to display the SL30 glideslope
data as two needles.
We will be showing at Oshkosh the AF-2500 Engine Monitor interface to
the Chelton System. Having all your engine data displayed on a
background page might be ok for a turbine, for a piston engine I want it
visible all the time. I can't stand not being able to see all the data
from one page all the time, this is why I started making the engine
monitor in the first place.
Then again I am trying to sell engine monitors.
Rob Hickman
www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com <http://www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com>
RV-10 #40204
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| Subject: | Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! |
Ok, this one caught me off guard for sure!!! Kevin, another
RV-10 builder, pointed me to this photo. Notice that my
N-Number is nearly identical (2 end character difference),
and check out the paint similarity. I love this guy's
paint job. I don't know who's -10 this is, but it
sure is pretty. I guess I should feel very good about my
overall paint scheme.....especially if other people think
along those lines too. Amazing that both my wife and whoever
thought up his design came to very similar design schemes.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! |
Tim Olson wrote:
> Ok, this one caught me off guard for sure!!! Kevin, another
> RV-10 builder, pointed me to this photo. Notice that my
> N-Number is nearly identical (2 end character difference),
> and check out the paint similarity. I love this guy's
> paint job. I don't know who's -10 this is, but it
> sure is pretty. I guess I should feel very good about my
> overall paint scheme.....especially if other people think
> along those lines too. Amazing that both my wife and whoever
> thought up his design came to very similar design schemes.
>
> Tim
Awesome!!! N104LJ is registered to FELDHOUSEN, LARRY A from BURLINGTON,
CO!!!
Linn ..... 10 coming this fall, I hope!!!
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Panel Rib modification |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
Randy
The FSDO Tech Inspector is right on the money with his statement. AC
43.13-1B, Page 7-11, Paragraph 7-64 Self Locking Nuts, sub-paragraph f ,
states in part: "After the nut has been tightened, make sure the bolt or
stud has at least one thread showing past the nut." I can't imagine where
the A&P came up with a 5 thread showing requirement.
Dean Van Winkle Retired Aero Engineer
RV-9A Fuselage/Finish
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>
> My inspection was done by a Technical Inspector that works for the local
> FSDO. He said that with AC43 the requirement is 1 thread showing outside
> the nylock. I hope that helps. Have you go a copy of AC43. Mine is at
> the hanger or I would look it up and get the exact wording. Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian
> bollaert
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:52 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert"
> --> <bbollaert@comcast.net>
>
> Hi James :
>
> an A&P mechanic from hanger next to me came over a month ago and
> looked over the nuts & bolts on my -10 and pointed out that he was not
> comfortable with the amount of thread that was not visable outside the
> nut (makes sense to me ) so i have lengthend several at least 5 or 6
> threads shoul be visable he said .
>
> Brian B
> ----- Original Message -----
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| Subject: | Rolling the Elevator leading edges |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
When rolling the leading edges of the elevators, I follow the 1.25 inch pipe method
and the curves look good but I can never get them to curve into they're final
position. They always seem to have a gap of about 3/4 inch that I need to
pull together to rivet.
Is this OK? I can't seem to find a way to get the entire bend in there since bending
the lower portion gets in the way of bending the upper portion. Is this
tension going to cause any issues down the road?
The final result looks great but I'm just a little uneasy knowing that these were
in tension when they were riveted.
Thanks in advance to all,
Kent Forsythe
40338
Elevators
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton AF-2500 Panel |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Do you have any idea how much that AF-1000 MFD-AirData computer will run
with all probes and options to connect to the Chelton?
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
RobHickman@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Here is the drawing of the panel for my RV-10. I will have the panel in
> our booth at Oshkosh (Building D), stop by and take a look.
>
>
>
> I almost always fly with one of my kids/copilots so I wanted to set up
> the panel so that it could be flown from both seats. The AF-1000
> MFD-AirData computers mounted next to the Chelton screens can display
> independent Airspeed, Altitude, Vertical Speed, and/or EFIS data. We
> are also planning on adding the ability to display the SL30 glideslope
> data as two needles.
>
>
>
>
>
> We will be showing at Oshkosh the AF-2500 Engine Monitor interface to
> the Chelton System. Having all your engine data displayed on a
> background page might be ok for a turbine, for a piston engine I want it
> visible all the time. I cant stand not being able to see all the data
> from one page all the time, this is why I started making the engine
> monitor in the first place.
>
>
>
> Then again I am trying to sell engine monitors.
>
>
>
> Rob Hickman
>
> www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com <http://www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com>
>
> RV-10 #40204
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rolling the Elevator leading edges |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
I haven't done this step yet either for the rudder or the elevators, but
I did run into a similar problem when building the practice kit... what
I did is to just pull the side that was in the way out of the way so
that they laid in such a way that the one I was bending was on the
inside, then I could roll it tight and have it snap back to where it was
supposed to be, then you pull them apart to get them back in the correct
"order". It takes a little yanking on the leading edges, but if you
don't pull to hard it doesnt affect the bend or put any weird kinks in.
Not having done this in the real kit, I don't know if that will work,
but maybe that helps ;)
James
Kent Forsythe wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
>When rolling the leading edges of the elevators, I follow the 1.25 inch pipe method
and the curves look good but I can never get them to curve into they're
final position. They always seem to have a gap of about 3/4 inch that I need
to pull together to rivet.
>
>Is this OK? I can't seem to find a way to get the entire bend in there since
bending the lower portion gets in the way of bending the upper portion. Is this
tension going to cause any issues down the road?
>
>The final result looks great but I'm just a little uneasy knowing that these were
in tension when they were riveted.
>
>Thanks in advance to all,
>
>Kent Forsythe
>40338
>Elevators
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
There is an art . . . to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself
at the ground and miss. Douglas Adams, 'The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy'
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| Subject: | Rolling the Elevator leading edges |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
>When rolling the leading edges of the elevators, I follow the 1.25 inch
>pipe method and the curves look good but I can never get them to curve into
>they're final position. They always seem to have a gap of about 3/4 inch
>that I need to pull together to rivet.
>
>Is this OK? I can't seem to find a way to get the entire bend in there
>since bending the lower portion gets in the way of bending the upper
>portion. Is this tension going to cause any issues down the road?
>
>The final result looks great but I'm just a little uneasy knowing that
>these were in tension when they were riveted.
>
>Thanks in advance to all,
>
>Kent Forsythe
>40338
>Elevators
After doing two airplane's worth of rolled leading edges, I've found that
you have to finish out the bends manually. Just get in there and work the
skins with your fingers (gloved for chafing/cut protection). Maintain the
radius of the skins so you don't crease them on the spar flange edges.
You'll probably have to "massage" them even more later on so they don't drag
on the elevator spar when you're rigging the hinges later. It's true you
want to avoid a significant amount of (shear) preload on the rivets, but
it's not as bad as the same loading in tension. So, that being said, get
them bent down so you can get cleco's into the holes without undue force
required and it will be fine. I know I have some significant preload on my
-8 tail surfaces, due to just not knowing any better. They show zero signs
of problems and every rivet is perfectly in place just like the day they
were installed.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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| Subject: | Re: Rolling the Elevator leading edges |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Kent,
That's certainly the way mine went together. I don't think you need
to worry about the tension, but be sure to get good compression on
the skins when pop-riveting.
I'm kit # 40304 and am in the early steps of the tail cone at 300
hours total time. How many hours have you put in?
Jeff Carpenter
On Jun 14, 2005, at 11:23 AM, Kent Forsythe wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
> <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
> When rolling the leading edges of the elevators, I follow the 1.25
> inch pipe method and the curves look good but I can never get them
> to curve into they're final position. They always seem to have a
> gap of about 3/4 inch that I need to pull together to rivet.
>
> Is this OK? I can't seem to find a way to get the entire bend in
> there since bending the lower portion gets in the way of bending
> the upper portion. Is this tension going to cause any issues down
> the road?
>
> The final result looks great but I'm just a little uneasy knowing
> that these were in tension when they were riveted.
>
> Thanks in advance to all,
>
> Kent Forsythe
> 40338
> Elevators
>
>
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| Subject: | Rolling the Elevator leading edges |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
That seems about the same amount I had to pull together. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kent Forsythe
Subject: RV10-List: Rolling the Elevator leading edges
--> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
--> <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
When rolling the leading edges of the elevators, I follow the 1.25 inch
pipe method and the curves look good but I can never get them to curve
into they're final position. They always seem to have a gap of about
3/4 inch that I need to pull together to rivet.
Is this OK? I can't seem to find a way to get the entire bend in there
since bending the lower portion gets in the way of bending the upper
portion. Is this tension going to cause any issues down the road?
The final result looks great but I'm just a little uneasy knowing that
these were in tension when they were riveted.
Thanks in advance to all,
Kent Forsythe
40338
Elevators
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| Subject: | Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! |
There's two of them in Burlington, CO that flew on the same day. Check vansairforce.net
. . .
TDT
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of linn walters
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!!
Tim Olson wrote:
Ok, this one caught me off guard for sure!!! Kevin, another
RV-10 builder, pointed me to this photo. Notice that my
N-Number is nearly identical (2 end character difference),
and check out the paint similarity. I love this guy's
paint job. I don't know who's -10 this is, but it
sure is pretty. I guess I should feel very good about my
overall paint scheme.....especially if other people think
along those lines too. Amazing that both my wife and whoever
thought up his design came to very similar design schemes.
Tim
Awesome!!! N104LJ is registered to FELDHOUSEN, LARRY A from BURLINGTON, CO!!!
Linn ..... 10 coming this fall, I hope!!!
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| Subject: | Rolling the Elevator leading edges |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
Jeff,
I've got about 225 hours in so far. I've been less than faithful in keeping track.
I always seem to trade off documenting my time for actually working on the
plane. Not all bad I suppose but.....
Feel free to check out http://www.4sythe.com
I have some pictures out there and also a live webcam. I don't have nearly the
number of pictures that some others have (Randy puts mine to shame!).
Thanks everyone that responded. Feels like I'm OK with what I've done.
Kent Forsythe (counting hours til Oshkosh)
40338
Elevators
Do Not Archive
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Kent,
That's certainly the way mine went together. I don't think you need to worry about
the tension, but be sure to get good compression on the skins when pop-riveting.
I'm kit # 40304 and am in the early steps of the tail cone at 300 hours total time.
How many hours have you put in?
Jeff Carpenter
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Selector |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
What vendors sell Andair fuel selectors besides Wicks? Are other folks sticking
w/ Vans fuel pumps?
Thanks,
Jay
'11
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Selector |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I JUST went through this myself...here's what I found.
(All of this applies only to the IO-540)
You want the Andair FS20x3
You can order direct from Andair online:
http://www.andair.co.uk/
This method allows you to customize the valve to suit
yourself.
You can get the valve from Wicks, but, it won't fit in
your -10. It has MALE Flare fittings on all 3 ports.
The LEFT port needs to be either 1/4" NPT and you stick
a 1/4" NPT to 3/8" flare elbow on it, or you could get the
banjo fitting on the left side. The bottom fitting is
probably easiest to just get a Male 3/8" flare, but
if you want a different type, you could do that.
The Right tank could be either 3/8" flare or 1/4" NPT.
Wicks does list the Banjo fitting as an option, but they
didn't have one in stock for me yesterday.
You can get the valve from Van's
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1118782879-264-387&browse=airframe&product=fuel-selector-valve>
That valve comes with 1/4" NPT on the LEFT and RIGHT, but a 3/8" male
flare on the bottom. You will need 2 elbows for this valve.
I did not find the valve at Aircraft Spruce, although I
didn't call the to request that they dig around and see
if they offer it. They did have the Banjo fitting in
stock that I needed to fix my valve from Wicks. The fittings
come of using a Torx #9 screwdriver. The screws are straked
on during assembly, so you need to be careful and not strip
the screws. I used a tiny tiny dremel bit to remove the
super small strake bump, then the screws came out fine.
My valve had all ports 3/8" Male Flare. I replaced the
LEFT side port with the 3/8" Flare Banjo fitting (coming
in tomorrow's FedEx).
So my suggestion is to buy the valve from Van's at this
point, as the cheapest solution. Bob Condrey got his
mounted OK with clearance, but Ray Doerr said his left
fitting had too little clearance, so he located a
reduced width Elbow fitting to put in the left port.
Probably the simplest to actually install will be my
banjo fitting, but you'll spend an extra $55 for that.
As for ordering direct, if you have a couple weeks before
you need the valve, I found that the current exchange rate
is such that it really doesn't cost much different to
order from them, and since you can customize your fittings
that way, it seems like a great way to go.
I got the fuel *pump* from Van's. Don't know what the
average builder is doing, but it was my easiest option.
As for the valves, there's probably going to be a good
mix of both styles among builders.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Jay Brinkmeyer wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
>
> What vendors sell Andair fuel selectors besides Wicks? Are other folks sticking
> w/ Vans fuel pumps?
>
> Thanks,
> Jay
> '11
>
>
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| Subject: | Rolling the Elevator leading edges |
I went with a 1" piece of PVC that I match drilled and clecoed on. This
allowed me to get a little more crank on the pipe and the cleco's do a
better job than duct tape at holding it together.
I just need to hang the trim tabs yet and my elevators are done. Maybe
2 hours. This will put me right around 115 hours total time.
Incidentally, putting proseal in the Texas sun will cure it in about 2
hours. Figured it would help but didn't expect that. Then again it was
clear and 97 today.
Michael Sausen
-10 #40352
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Carpenter
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rolling the Elevator leading edges
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Kent,
That's certainly the way mine went together. I don't think you need to
worry about the tension, but be sure to get good compression on the
skins when pop-riveting.
I'm kit # 40304 and am in the early steps of the tail cone at 300 hours
total time. How many hours have you put in?
Jeff Carpenter
On Jun 14, 2005, at 11:23 AM, Kent Forsythe wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
> <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
> When rolling the leading edges of the elevators, I follow the 1.25
> inch pipe method and the curves look good but I can never get them
> to curve into they're final position. They always seem to have a
> gap of about 3/4 inch that I need to pull together to rivet.
>
> Is this OK? I can't seem to find a way to get the entire bend in
> there since bending the lower portion gets in the way of bending
> the upper portion. Is this tension going to cause any issues down
> the road?
>
> The final result looks great but I'm just a little uneasy knowing
> that these were in tension when they were riveted.
>
> Thanks in advance to all,
>
> Kent Forsythe
> 40338
> Elevators
>
>
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Selector |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com>
Van's has the one that I feel will work the best. The issue on the 10
is that if you mount it in the same place as Van's placed there standard
valve and you orient it such that left tank position faces directly left
and right faces right, then the left fuel input is directly against the
left side of the tunnel side which is right where the rudder cable runs
up as well. A standard 90 fitting here is right tight against the
tunnel side if the valve in centered left to right on the tunnel cover.
I managed to fine a bunch of 90 degree fittings at the local aircraft
hardware supply shop (B & B Aircraft in Garner Kanssas where I live)
that were used on prop goveners because of their close quarters to the
firewall. These 90's are plated brass and are about 1/4" shorted than
the standard aluminum 90's. I am than going to tap the Andair 1/4"
socket a little deeper with a 1/4" NPT tap so the threads of this new
fitting will engage the socket more to allow even better clearance. I
will let you know how it goes tomorrow.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (Finishing fuel line)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay
Brinkmeyer
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Selector
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer
<jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
What vendors sell Andair fuel selectors besides Wicks? Are other folks
sticking
w/ Vans fuel pumps?
Thanks,
Jay
'11
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Panel Rib modification |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
5 threads means the bolt is toooooo long
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
>
> Randy
>
> The FSDO Tech Inspector is right on the money with his statement. AC
> 43.13-1B, Page 7-11, Paragraph 7-64 Self Locking Nuts, sub-paragraph f ,
> states in part: "After the nut has been tightened, make sure the bolt or
> stud has at least one thread showing past the nut." I can't imagine where
> the A&P came up with a 5 thread showing requirement.
>
> Dean Van Winkle Retired Aero Engineer
> RV-9A Fuselage/Finish
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:28 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>>
>> My inspection was done by a Technical Inspector that works for the local
>> FSDO. He said that with AC43 the requirement is 1 thread showing outside
>> the nylock. I hope that helps. Have you go a copy of AC43. Mine is at
>> the hanger or I would look it up and get the exact wording. Randy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian
>> bollaert
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:52 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert"
>> --> <bbollaert@comcast.net>
>>
>> Hi James :
>>
>> an A&P mechanic from hanger next to me came over a month ago and
>> looked over the nuts & bolts on my -10 and pointed out that he was not
>> comfortable with the amount of thread that was not visable outside the
>> nut (makes sense to me ) so i have lengthend several at least 5 or 6
>> threads shoul be visable he said .
>>
>> Brian B
>> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rolling the Elevator leading edges |
This is my first post, not sure how this works. I am about finished with the
empenage. Started rolling my elevators today. Like the idea of drilling the
pvc. I was using pvc for the pipe. I built my tail cone along with the other
parts. 382 Hours so far.
Jim Wade
RV-10 40383
-------Original Message-------
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rolling the Elevator leading edges
I went with a 1" piece of PVC that I match drilled and clecoed on. This
allowed me to get a little more crank on the pipe and the cleco's do a
better job than duct tape at holding it together.
I just need to hang the trim tabs yet and my elevators are done. Maybe
2 hours. This will put me right around 115 hours total time.
Incidentally, putting proseal in the Texas sun will cure it in about 2
hours. Figured it would help but didn't expect that. Then again it was
clear and 97 today.
Michael Sausen
-10 #40352
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Carpenter
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rolling the Elevator leading edges
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Kent,
That's certainly the way mine went together. I don't think you need to
worry about the tension, but be sure to get good compression on the
skins when pop-riveting.
I'm kit # 40304 and am in the early steps of the tail cone at 300 hours
total time. How many hours have you put in?
Jeff Carpenter
On Jun 14, 2005, at 11:23 AM, Kent Forsythe wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
> <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
> When rolling the leading edges of the elevators, I follow the 1.25
> inch pipe method and the curves look good but I can never get them
> to curve into they're final position. They always seem to have a
> gap of about 3/4 inch that I need to pull together to rivet.
>
> Is this OK? I can't seem to find a way to get the entire bend in
> there since bending the lower portion gets in the way of bending
> the upper portion. Is this tension going to cause any issues down
> the road?
>
> The final result looks great but I'm just a little uneasy knowing
> that these were in tension when they were riveted.
>
> Thanks in advance to all,
>
> Kent Forsythe
> 40338
> Elevators
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Panel Rib modification |
One to Three max!!!!
Jim
-------Original Message-------
From: Chris , Susie McGough
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond
com>
5 threads means the bolt is toooooo long
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
>
> Randy
>
> The FSDO Tech Inspector is right on the money with his statement. AC
> 43.13-1B, Page 7-11, Paragraph 7-64 Self Locking Nuts, sub-paragraph f ,
> states in part: "After the nut has been tightened, make sure the bolt or
> stud has at least one thread showing past the nut." I can't imagine where
> the A&P came up with a 5 thread showing requirement.
>
> Dean Van Winkle Retired Aero Engineer
> RV-9A Fuselage/Finish
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:28 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>>
>> My inspection was done by a Technical Inspector that works for the local
>> FSDO. He said that with AC43 the requirement is 1 thread showing outside
>> the nylock. I hope that helps. Have you go a copy of AC43. Mine is at
>> the hanger or I would look it up and get the exact wording. Randy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian
>> bollaert
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:52 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert"
>> --> <bbollaert@comcast.net>
>>
>> Hi James :
>>
>> an A&P mechanic from hanger next to me came over a month ago and
>> looked over the nuts & bolts on my -10 and pointed out that he was not
>> comfortable with the amount of thread that was not visable outside the
>> nut (makes sense to me ) so i have lengthend several at least 5 or 6
>> threads shoul be visable he said .
>>
>> Brian B
>> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Panel Rib modification |
Well, just think about it, what good is the 4-5 threads doing past the nut. Do
they stop anything, are they holding anything. So all you need is one thread that
shows you, you are all the way through the nut and it is holding all it can.
pat
"Chris , Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough"
5 threads means the bolt is toooooo long
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean"
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dean"
>
> Randy
>
> The FSDO Tech Inspector is right on the money with his statement. AC
> 43.13-1B, Page 7-11, Paragraph 7-64 Self Locking Nuts, sub-paragraph f ,
> states in part: "After the nut has been tightened, make sure the bolt or
> stud has at least one thread showing past the nut." I can't imagine where
> the A&P came up with a 5 thread showing requirement.
>
> Dean Van Winkle Retired Aero Engineer
> RV-9A Fuselage/Finish
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy DeBauw"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:28 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw"
>>
>> My inspection was done by a Technical Inspector that works for the local
>> FSDO. He said that with AC43 the requirement is 1 thread showing outside
>> the nylock. I hope that helps. Have you go a copy of AC43. Mine is at
>> the hanger or I would look it up and get the exact wording. Randy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian
>> bollaert
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:52 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert"
>> -->
>>
>> Hi James :
>>
>> an A&P mechanic from hanger next to me came over a month ago and
>> looked over the nuts & bolts on my -10 and pointed out that he was not
>> comfortable with the amount of thread that was not visable outside the
>> nut (makes sense to me ) so i have lengthend several at least 5 or 6
>> threads shoul be visable he said .
>>
>> Brian B
>> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Sponcil" <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
Wow that really is a strange coincidence. Nice of him to test your scheme
isn't it? It's amazing how many 10s are already flying or near flying
considering it's only been 2 years since the model was introduced.....
-Brian
Iowa City, IA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!!
> Ok, this one caught me off guard for sure!!! Kevin, another
> RV-10 builder, pointed me to this photo. Notice that my
> N-Number is nearly identical (2 end character difference),
> and check out the paint similarity. I love this guy's
> paint job. I don't know who's -10 this is, but it
> sure is pretty. I guess I should feel very good about my
> overall paint scheme.....especially if other people think
> along those lines too. Amazing that both my wife and whoever
> thought up his design came to very similar design schemes.
>
> Tim
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| Subject: | Re: IO VS O-540s |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Sponcil" <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
I'm leaning towards the 0-540 B3B4 235HP specifically because of the lower
compression pistons and potential use of 87 octane auto fuel. You're only
giving up 15HP and gaining about $1/hr in costs. Just my $.02
-Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RV10-List: IO VS O-540s
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> I searched the archives but couldn't find a specific discussion on this,
> so
> I apologize if it's redundant. I'm trying to decide on an O-540 vs IO-540
> for my RV-10. Some thoughts I had were:
>
> Pluses for the IO-540:
> No icing problems
> More even burn between cylinders
>
> Pluses for the O-540
> Cheaper to overhaul the fuel system
> Lower pressure aux fuel pump (ie much cheaper)
> Potential to use auto fuel
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| Subject: | RV-10 Panel Rib modification |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Concur, in fact if you have too many threads showing you probably have run
out of threads on the inside of the nut and won't have the gripping power
you're expecting.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie
McGough
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough"
<VHMUM@bigpond.com>
5 threads means the bolt is toooooo long
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
>
> Randy
>
> The FSDO Tech Inspector is right on the money with his statement. AC
> 43.13-1B, Page 7-11, Paragraph 7-64 Self Locking Nuts, sub-paragraph f ,
> states in part: "After the nut has been tightened, make sure the bolt or
> stud has at least one thread showing past the nut." I can't imagine where
> the A&P came up with a 5 thread showing requirement.
>
> Dean Van Winkle Retired Aero Engineer
> RV-9A Fuselage/Finish
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:28 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>>
>> My inspection was done by a Technical Inspector that works for the local
>> FSDO. He said that with AC43 the requirement is 1 thread showing outside
>> the nylock. I hope that helps. Have you go a copy of AC43. Mine is at
>> the hanger or I would look it up and get the exact wording. Randy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian
>> bollaert
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:52 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert"
>> --> <bbollaert@comcast.net>
>>
>> Hi James :
>>
>> an A&P mechanic from hanger next to me came over a month ago and
>> looked over the nuts & bolts on my -10 and pointed out that he was not
>> comfortable with the amount of thread that was not visable outside the
>> nut (makes sense to me ) so i have lengthend several at least 5 or 6
>> threads shoul be visable he said .
>>
>> Brian B
>> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Panel Rib modification |
I don't understand the thing about not having too many threads showing. It
certainly doesn't hurt to have too much thread showing as long as your nut
isn't bottoming out on the end of the threads. In fact, if the nut starts
to work loose it will have further to go before coming off with more threads
showing. I definitely understand why you want to have at least one thread
showing, but is there any rule on having too much showing or is that just
commong practice, and am I missing something on why that should be bad? I
would think you would be stronger not having any threads within the parts
that are being bolted together, and have the washer space the nut just
beyond the end of the threads, no matter how many threads are showing.
Again, I am not an engineer or anything, but I think my accounting
background should teach me a lot about structural integrity of bolts and
nuts.OK, maybe not, but it seems like common sense.
N256H #40241
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
Well, just think about it, what good is the 4-5 threads doing past the nut.
Do they stop anything, are they holding anything. So all you need is one
thread that shows you, you are all the way through the nut and it is holding
all it can.
pat
"Chris , Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough"
5 threads means the bolt is toooooo long
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean"
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dean"
>
> Randy
>
> The FSDO Tech Inspector is right on the money with his statement. AC
> 43.13-1B, Page 7-11, Paragraph 7-64 Self Locking Nuts, sub-paragraph f ,
> states in part: "After the nut has been tightened, make sure the bolt or
> stud has at least one thread showing past the nut." I can't imagine where
> the A&P came up with a 5 thread showing requirement.
>
> Dean Van Winkle Retired Aero Engineer
> RV-9A Fuselage/Finish
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy DeBauw"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:28 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw"
>>
>> My inspection was done by a Technical Inspector that works for the local
>> FSDO. He said that with AC43 the requirement is 1 thread showing outside
>> the nylock. I hope that helps. Have you go a copy of AC43. Mine is at
>> the hanger or I would look it up and get the exact wording. Randy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian
>> bollaert
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:52 PM
>> To: the
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| Subject: | Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Amazing is right. Also amazing how few technical questions are being asked,
as opposed to the RV-6 and RV-7 groups. Love those CNC machines, expert
designers, and great instruction manual. This is as close as you can get to
a grown up Lego set. Have fun assembling and have fun after. Other than
cost holding it back, this will have to be their best seller ever.
John Jessen
do not archive...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sponcil
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!!
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Sponcil"
--> <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
Wow that really is a strange coincidence. Nice of him to test your scheme
isn't it? It's amazing how many 10s are already flying or near flying
considering it's only been 2 years since the model was introduced.....
-Brian
Iowa City, IA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!!
> Ok, this one caught me off guard for sure!!! Kevin, another
> RV-10 builder, pointed me to this photo. Notice that my
> N-Number is nearly identical (2 end character difference),
> and check out the paint similarity. I love this guy's
> paint job. I don't know who's -10 this is, but it
> sure is pretty. I guess I should feel very good about my
> overall paint scheme.....especially if other people think
> along those lines too. Amazing that both my wife and whoever
> thought up his design came to very similar design schemes.
>
> Tim
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Today I spent a little bit of time talking to TruTrak, Direct2Avionics,
and another RV-10 builder/Chelton owner. I did get some great
clarification into this issue that actually helps verify the paragraph
below by Robin.
Here's the deal...
Normally, autopilot commands would be put out as +/- 150 mV
signals (left/right/up/down...that sort of thing) to command
the autopilot. As we know, the TruTrak Digiflight II VSGV is
digital only, so it does not have these inputs. The Sorcerer
DOES have these inputs. The SL-30 talks to the Chelton
using RS232 Serial data, rather than these +/- 150mv signals.
The Chelton still receives the proper data to draw the needle
display on your Chelton screens (any of them), so you still
have a great CDI indicator. The Chelton can also fly an
ILS approach, as Josh's post mentions. Here's why...
It's not that the Chelton interprets the RS232 and feeds
+/- 150 mV signals to the autopilot. The Chelton has the
approach database in it with the synthetic vision HITS
approaches. They're displayed on-screen using GPS. You
load the ILS, and the Chelton will fly your Digiflight II
VSGV including the vertical guidance for the approach, controlling
your autopilot right down the approach, to ATP standards.
Simultaneously, you're displaying the CDI needles from the
localizer on the screen. In the event of a discrepency, you're
supposed to fly the approach to the CDI needles, not the HITS.
Most of the time, they will match up great. If you ever see
that they don't, you would need to hand-fly that approach.
Since you display it all on the Chelton, there is no big
issue with that....you're flying the GPS derived approach, on
a real ILS approach, but you're monitoring those needles the
whole time...so you can legally fly the approach. All that's
lacking is a +/- 150mV CONVERSION to Digital contol for the
autopilot....so in effect, you aren't getting a direct
ILS localizer/Glideslope control to your autopilot....you're
getting the display, but the control is done on GPS data.
This whole thing isn't really a Chelton issue, although they
could maybe add that functionality and it would be another
big plus.
The issue is that the buyer has a Digiflight II VSGV with no
+/- 150mV inputs.
If the buyer buys a Sorcerer, you can now fly directly
input +/- 150mV signals that are produced by your SL-30
or other Nav radio. The Sorcerer has this ability.
But, in order to do this, you'll want to install a
source select switch on your Autopilot....so you can choose
if you want to fly it from the SL-30 or the Chelton.
(it may be that you can select the source from the buttons
on the sorcerer...I'm not sure on that one yet).
At this point, your Chelton is now nothing more than a CDI
for the approach (along with it's other functions). Your
radio and autopilot are directly flying the glideslope
and approach. I do agree that this is nice capability, but
given the performance and capability of the Chelton, I
would really question the added value.....because the
Sorcerer will cost you over $3,000 more....all while causing
you to NOT get the benefit you could be getting out of
your Chelton's awesome flight planning and HITS.
You Might say "what if my Chelton dies", but remember that
you have 2 or more screens, and they're independently capable
of displaying that CDI. You can lose AHRS, and still show
those needles.
In my implementation, I still plan to connect the Autopilot
to my Radios with a source select switch, Chelton or GNS480.
I won't have an external CDI, because I'm comfortable with
trusting the Chelton CDI....however, if someone wanted to
add a separate CDI, then you should be able to fly an
approach using the GNS480 coupled directly to the DFIIVSGV,
using the external CDI for display, and lose the entire
Chelton system. I do see from the install manual that hooking
a GNS480 to a DFIIVSGV requires hooking up both Serial and
AIRINC 429 lines, but I can't tell you for sure if this means
the GNS480 can control the vertical navigation of the
DFIIVSGV. I'm thinking yes, because it's listed as a normally
supported feature of that AP, but I'll talk to TruTrak to
verify that one.
As for the functionality being integrated into the Chelton
at a later date to actually control the autopilot based on
the ILS signalling instead of it's internal GPS....Robin said
he thought the only way it would work in the future would
be after a software upgrade and with the Sorcerer. My take
is a bit different. I don't think I'd hold my breath for
+/- 150mV signalling OUT of the Chelton....because that
would be software AND hardware changes. My *guess* is
that IF this is ever implemented, it would work with the DFIIVSGV
because they would just use the signal they get that
shows the needles on screen and process that data and output
it digitally....that way it doesn't require a hardware upgrade.
So I'd think that you really just need to look at how bad
you think you need that sorcerer TODAY and make the choice.
If you'll use it today, great, but I doubt you'll have any
*increased* need tomorrow.
So, I was getting a bit worried when I saw the thread
reappear with what was seemingly conflicting information.
As it turned out, the old info still applied, just not in the
way that I thought exactly. If you're comfortable allowing
the Chelton's synthetic vision GPS enabled approach data to
fly your ILS, all the while monitoring your CDI needles on
screen, coupled to your DFIIVSGV, then you're fine. If your
needles don't match the HITS, you do an AP disconnect and
hand fly it the rest of the way. Since it would be crazy to
just let your autopilot fly an approach without monitoring
it, I don't see this as a bad trade-off. I'm not likely
to be too interested in the alternative.....turn off the
approach on the chelton, load the approach on the GNS480
and fly it on the GNS480, without using the Chelton for
more than a CDI display....that would be my Emergency
mode of operation.
Hopefully that clarifies, instead of muddies the info.
The hardest thing about this Avionics stuff is getting all
the proper info compiled.
Oh, and I opened my SL-30 install manual today. Turns out
that you can kind of get a feel for some of these connections
if you dig through the manual...who woulda thunk it. ;)
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Robin Wessel wrote:
> * *
>
> *Hold the phone.... Why are you referring to "into VNAV guidance*
> *for the GPS"? Where does this come into play?? I'm not concerned*
> *if it can take ILS glideslope data and use it for a GPS approach.*
> *I want it to take the ILS glideslope and display it as a pair*
> *of needles. That it will do. What it won't do is let you*
> *fly a non-GPS overlaid approach, using the HITS boxes. i.e.*
> *when you fly an ILS, you need to use the needles, not the*
> *boxes. Is this your understanding, or what am I missing?*
>
> Tim-
>
> Sorry if I was not clear in my comments about the VNAV guidance with the
> Chelton. What I should have said is VNAV guidance for the A/P. As
> you know, the Digiflight A/P can only steer based on NMEA and ARINC
> signals not analog +/-150mV signals. I was really hoping that the
> Chelton would convert the SL30 glideslope data coming in digitally and
> convert it into VNAV commands for the Digiflight. This would eliminate
> the need for the expensive Sorcerer in order to get a true coupled ILS.
> As a credit to Peter at Direct2avioncs, he felt that adding this
> capability would be something to consider. Hopefully by the time I need
> to plunk down the cash, this capability will be included.
>
>
>
> robin
>
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| Subject: | Rolling the Elevator leading edges |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
That's a great tip Michael,
I used conduit and duct tap without any problems but your idea is cool....you should
get it in the RVator to pass along to others. This is an area a lot of builders
seem to struggle with. I figure I got lucky when I tried it the first
time.
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Rolling the Elevator leading edges |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
For my own sanity, I'm going to assume that you and I either track
time differently or that you've had some help. I may not be blazing,
but I can't imagine doing what I've done in about 1/3rd the time.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
300 hours, about 5 of them on the tail cone.
On Jun 14, 2005, at 2:15 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> I went with a 1" piece of PVC that I match drilled and clecoed on.
> This
> allowed me to get a little more crank on the pipe and the cleco's do a
> better job than duct tape at holding it together.
>
> I just need to hang the trim tabs yet and my elevators are done.
> Maybe
> 2 hours. This will put me right around 115 hours total time.
> Incidentally, putting proseal in the Texas sun will cure it in about 2
> hours. Figured it would help but didn't expect that. Then again
> it was
> clear and 97 today.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #40352
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Carpenter
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:11 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rolling the Elevator leading edges
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> Hi Kent,
>
> That's certainly the way mine went together. I don't think you
> need to
> worry about the tension, but be sure to get good compression on the
> skins when pop-riveting.
>
> I'm kit # 40304 and am in the early steps of the tail cone at 300
> hours
> total time. How many hours have you put in?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2005, at 11:23 AM, Kent Forsythe wrote:
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
>> <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>>
>> When rolling the leading edges of the elevators, I follow the 1.25
>> inch pipe method and the curves look good but I can never get them
>> to curve into they're final position. They always seem to have a
>> gap of about 3/4 inch that I need to pull together to rivet.
>>
>> Is this OK? I can't seem to find a way to get the entire bend in
>> there since bending the lower portion gets in the way of bending
>> the upper portion. Is this tension going to cause any issues down
>> the road?
>>
>> The final result looks great but I'm just a little uneasy knowing
>> that these were in tension when they were riveted.
>>
>> Thanks in advance to all,
>>
>> Kent Forsythe
>> 40338
>> Elevators
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ====================================
> ====================================
>
>
> <CIMG0475.JPG>
> <CIMG0476.JPG>
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| Subject: | Rolling the Elevator leading edges |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Your on the right track, it takes a little effort to get them to pull together.
Roll a little at a time until they get close, I settled at 1/2" apart. It did
take some muscle on the pipe to get that nice tight curl. I moved the pipe down
the skin toward the spar and curled twice, first the edge then mid way below
to curl the below that to get them close.
Don't forget to get that little bend on the edge of the skin to help hold it/make
it look tight when riveted. I use Cleaveland's vise grip edge roller with pretty
good success. Several places you can apply this tool to get a nice tight
edge on overlapping joints, just don't over do it and stretch the metal. I hear
Averys wheel works good too.
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Legos? They're made out of wood! What we have here is a genuine adult
erector set! (No dirty thoughts now.... We're all excited about our
toy.... Stop thinking that! ) :)
Speaking of Legos.... I'm about to build the cradles for the
horizontal stabilizer.... I hate wood work... I'm an engineer not a
carpenter!
-Jim 40384
John Jessen wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
>Amazing is right. Also amazing how few technical questions are being asked,
>as opposed to the RV-6 and RV-7 groups. Love those CNC machines, expert
>designers, and great instruction manual. This is as close as you can get to
>a grown up Lego set. Have fun assembling and have fun after. Other than
>cost holding it back, this will have to be their best seller ever.
>
>John Jessen
>do not archive...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sponcil
>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:07 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!!
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Sponcil"
>--> <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
>
>Wow that really is a strange coincidence. Nice of him to test your scheme
>isn't it? It's amazing how many 10s are already flying or near flying
>considering it's only been 2 years since the model was introduced.....
>
>-Brian
>Iowa City, IA
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>To: "RV10" <RV10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:04 PM
>Subject: RV10-List: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!!
>
>
>
>
>>Ok, this one caught me off guard for sure!!! Kevin, another
>>RV-10 builder, pointed me to this photo. Notice that my
>>N-Number is nearly identical (2 end character difference),
>>and check out the paint similarity. I love this guy's
>>paint job. I don't know who's -10 this is, but it
>>sure is pretty. I guess I should feel very good about my
>>overall paint scheme.....especially if other people think
>>along those lines too. Amazing that both my wife and whoever
>>thought up his design came to very similar design schemes.
>>
>>Tim
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
LOL! Legos are made from plastic, which is probably even worse! Real men
chew AL...
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!!
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Legos? They're made out of wood! What we have here is a genuine adult
erector set! (No dirty thoughts now.... We're all excited about our
toy.... Stop thinking that! ) :)
Speaking of Legos.... I'm about to build the cradles for the
horizontal stabilizer.... I hate wood work... I'm an engineer not a
carpenter!
-Jim 40384
John Jessen wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
>Amazing is right. Also amazing how few technical questions are being
>asked, as opposed to the RV-6 and RV-7 groups. Love those CNC
>machines, expert designers, and great instruction manual. This is as
>close as you can get to a grown up Lego set. Have fun assembling and
>have fun after. Other than cost holding it back, this will have to be
their best seller ever.
>
>John Jessen
>do not archive...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
>Sponcil
>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:07 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!!
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Sponcil"
>--> <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
>
>Wow that really is a strange coincidence. Nice of him to test your
>scheme isn't it? It's amazing how many 10s are already flying or near
>flying considering it's only been 2 years since the model was
introduced.....
>
>-Brian
>Iowa City, IA
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>To: "RV10" <RV10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:04 PM
>Subject: RV10-List: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!!
>
>
>
>
>>Ok, this one caught me off guard for sure!!! Kevin, another
>>RV-10 builder, pointed me to this photo. Notice that my
>>N-Number is nearly identical (2 end character difference),
>>and check out the paint similarity. I love this guy's
>>paint job. I don't know who's -10 this is, but it sure is pretty. I
>>guess I should feel very good about my overall paint
>>scheme.....especially if other people think along those lines too.
>>Amazing that both my wife and whoever thought up his design came to
>>very similar design schemes.
>>
>>Tim
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Droopy Erickson" <Droopy@ericksonjc.com>
Tim,
Great research. I know you may think you're wasting bandwidth, but this
has been one of the best glass avionics discussions I've seen here yet.
Just had one thing to add to everything below. The GNS480 has the
ability to display a full compass rose CDI on screen. So even if the
Chelton frys itself, you still have full up backup CDI display...
John
#40208
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RE: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Today I spent a little bit of time talking to TruTrak, Direct2Avionics,
and another RV-10 builder/Chelton owner. I did get some great
clarification into this issue that actually helps verify the paragraph
below by Robin.
Here's the deal...
<SNIPPING A GREAT DISCUSSION>
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| Subject: | Eeerie Paint Coincidence!! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Droopy Erickson" <Droopy@ericksonjc.com>
Gotta love engineers... (Or Jim is showing some serious age)... Legos
were plastic when I was a kid. Lincoln logs, on the other hand... :-)
John
#40208 Wings (Smelling to much MEK and Proseal)
DEFINITELY Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!!
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Legos? They're made out of wood! What we have here is a genuine adult
erector set! (No dirty thoughts now.... We're all excited about our
toy.... Stop thinking that! ) :)
Speaking of Legos.... I'm about to build the cradles for the
horizontal stabilizer.... I hate wood work... I'm an engineer not a
carpenter!
-Jim 40384
John Jessen wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
>Amazing is right. Also amazing how few technical questions are being
>asked, as opposed to the RV-6 and RV-7 groups. Love those CNC
>machines, expert designers, and great instruction manual. This is as
>close as you can get to a grown up Lego set. Have fun assembling and
>have fun after. Other than cost holding it back, this will have to be
their best seller ever.
>
>John Jessen
>do not archive...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
>Sponcil
>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:07 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!!
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>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Sponcil"
>--> <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
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>Wow that really is a strange coincidence. Nice of him to test your
>scheme isn't it? It's amazing how many 10s are already flying or near
>flying considering it's only been 2 years since the model was
introduced.....
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>-Brian
>Iowa City, IA
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>To: "RV10" <RV10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:04 PM
>Subject: RV10-List: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!!
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>>Ok, this one caught me off guard for sure!!! Kevin, another
>>RV-10 builder, pointed me to this photo. Notice that my
>>N-Number is nearly identical (2 end character difference),
>>and check out the paint similarity. I love this guy's
>>paint job. I don't know who's -10 this is, but it sure is pretty. I
>>guess I should feel very good about my overall paint
>>scheme.....especially if other people think along those lines too.
>>Amazing that both my wife and whoever thought up his design came to
>>very similar design schemes.
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>>Tim
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--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Plastic? I must be old..... I remember playing with wooden Legos, and
Steel Erector sets (which were not properly deburred mind you.... )
P.S. I'll be 32 this September 18th...
do not archive
-Jim
John Jessen wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
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>LOL! Legos are made from plastic, which is probably even worse! Real men
>chew AL...
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>do not archive
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:26 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!!
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>--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
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>Legos? They're made out of wood! What we have here is a genuine adult
>erector set! (No dirty thoughts now.... We're all excited about our
>toy.... Stop thinking that! ) :)
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>Speaking of Legos.... I'm about to build the cradles for the
>horizontal stabilizer.... I hate wood work... I'm an engineer not a
>carpenter!
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>-Jim 40384
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>John Jessen wrote:
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
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>>Amazing is right. Also amazing how few technical questions are being
>>asked, as opposed to the RV-6 and RV-7 groups. Love those CNC
>>machines, expert designers, and great instruction manual. This is as
>>close as you can get to a grown up Lego set. Have fun assembling and
>>have fun after. Other than cost holding it back, this will have to be
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>>John Jessen
>>do not archive...
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
>>Sponcil
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:07 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!!
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Sponcil"
>>--> <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
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>>Wow that really is a strange coincidence. Nice of him to test your
>>scheme isn't it? It's amazing how many 10s are already flying or near
>>flying considering it's only been 2 years since the model was
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>>-Brian
>>Iowa City, IA
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>>From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>To: "RV10" <RV10-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:04 PM
>>Subject: RV10-List: Eeerie Paint Coincidence!!
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>>>RV-10 builder, pointed me to this photo. Notice that my
>>>N-Number is nearly identical (2 end character difference),
>>>and check out the paint similarity. I love this guy's
>>>paint job. I don't know who's -10 this is, but it sure is pretty. I
>>>guess I should feel very good about my overall paint
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valve & Handle |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Phil White" <philwhite9@aol.com>
I guess no one else has looked over Van's fuel valve and seen the
solution that appears obvious to me.
1. I moved the valve lower to ensure priming the fuel pumps, as I will
be running EFI on an auto engine.
2. Didn't want to criss-cross the fuel lines to the pump, so I ran them
right to right, left to left (dunno why I feel it oughta be that way,
but I do).
3. Now you perceive my handle will work backwards, and you would be
right!, except I will grind off the small pointer nub on the front end,
so the bulk of the handle will be the pointer. Push the handle to the
right for the right fuel tank.
4. Handle doesn't look elegant, but the can of Dip-It tool handle
coating I bought at the hardware store will coat it with a soft feeling,
bright red rubbery coating that will improve both feel and looks, I hope.
One cheap builder's solution.
Phil White #40220 Willowbrook, IL (fuse about 60% done, on hold for
move to aero-park in July)
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| Subject: | RV-10 Panel Rib modification |
Just my thoughts, but you're right about the only problem with too many
threads is bottoming out. The thing is, by the time you get 5+ threads
showing you probably are bottomed out and if the fit is close you might not
be aware that you have run out of threads and not really cinched the nut
down on the material.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
I don't understand the thing about not having too many threads showing. It
certainly doesn't hurt to have too much thread showing as long as your nut
isn't bottoming out on the end of the threads. In fact, if the nut starts
to work loose it will have further to go before coming off with more threads
showing. I definitely understand why you want to have at least one thread
showing, but is there any rule on having too much showing or is that just
commong practice, and am I missing something on why that should be bad? I
would think you would be stronger not having any threads within the parts
that are being bolted together, and have the washer space the nut just
beyond the end of the threads, no matter how many threads are showing.
Again, I am not an engineer or anything, but I think my accounting
background should teach me a lot about structural integrity of bolts and
nuts.OK, maybe not, but it seems like common sense.
N256H #40241
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
Well, just think about it, what good is the 4-5 threads doing past the nut.
Do they stop anything, are they holding anything. So all you need is one
thread that shows you, you are all the way through the nut and it is holding
all it can.
pat
"Chris , Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough"
5 threads means the bolt is toooooo long
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean"
To:
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dean"
>
> Randy
>
> The FSDO Tech Inspector is right on the money with his statement. AC
> 43.13-1B, Page 7-11, Paragraph 7-64 Self Locking Nuts, sub-paragraph f ,
> states in part: "After the nut has been tightened, make sure the bolt or
> stud has at least one thread showing past the nut." I can't imagine where
> the A&P came up with a 5 thread showing requirement.
>
> Dean Van Winkle Retired Aero Engineer
> RV-9A Fuselage/Finish
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy DeBauw"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:28 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Panel Rib modification
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw"
>>
>> My inspection was done by a Technical Inspector that works for the local
>> FSDO. He said that with AC43 the requirement is 1 thread showing outside
>> the nylock. I hope that helps. Have you go a copy of AC43. Mine is at
>> the hanger or I would look it up and get the exact wording. Randy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian
>> bollaert
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:52 PM
>> To: the
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Brian,
I'm still waffling on the engine but would also like to save money.
Based on what I've seen, the savings is more like $1 per gallon not per
hour, more like $12+/hr savings.
One note though, I spoke to Vans about engines and they recommend a 4 as the
second character (like C4B5) as that ensures the counterweights for a
compact Hartzel hub. I don't know what a 3 does for you on the B3B4 or the
implications of a MT prop for those going that route.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sponcil
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IO VS O-540s
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Sponcil" <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
I'm leaning towards the 0-540 B3B4 235HP specifically because of the lower
compression pistons and potential use of 87 octane auto fuel. You're only
giving up 15HP and gaining about $1/hr in costs. Just my $.02
-Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RV10-List: IO VS O-540s
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> I searched the archives but couldn't find a specific discussion on this,
> so
> I apologize if it's redundant. I'm trying to decide on an O-540 vs IO-540
> for my RV-10. Some thoughts I had were:
>
> Pluses for the IO-540:
> No icing problems
> More even burn between cylinders
>
> Pluses for the O-540
> Cheaper to overhaul the fuel system
> Lower pressure aux fuel pump (ie much cheaper)
> Potential to use auto fuel
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS |
Geez, whatever happened to turn the dial and fly the needles. Now it's turn the
dial, flip this switch, go to this screen, make sure you are on the right radio,
check your output, and, oh ya, fly the boxes. Someone want to put this
into a flowchart that can be laminated for reference. :-P
In all seriousness though, I would love to see some sort of chart that shows
what can be used to do something using which hardware. Anyone bored enough to
start a running spreadsheet documenting some of the expected interactions between
the more popular hardware? After all, it took at least a couple of conversations
between you guys and the vendors to finally get it to this point and it's
not exactly crystal clear.
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RE: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Today I spent a little bit of time talking to TruTrak, Direct2Avionics,
and another RV-10 builder/Chelton owner. I did get some great
clarification into this issue that actually helps verify the paragraph below by
Robin.
Here's the deal...
Normally, autopilot commands would be put out as +/- 150 mV signals (left/right/up/down...that
sort of thing) to command the autopilot. As we know, the TruTrak
Digiflight II VSGV is digital only, so it does not have these inputs. The
Sorcerer
DOES have these inputs. The SL-30 talks to the Chelton
using RS232 Serial data, rather than these +/- 150mv signals.
The Chelton still receives the proper data to draw the needle display on your Chelton
screens (any of them), so you still
have a great CDI indicator. The Chelton can also fly an
ILS approach, as Josh's post mentions. Here's why...
It's not that the Chelton interprets the RS232 and feeds
+/- 150 mV signals to the autopilot. The Chelton has the
approach database in it with the synthetic vision HITS approaches. They're displayed
on-screen using GPS. You load the ILS, and the Chelton will fly your Digiflight
II VSGV including the vertical guidance for the approach, controlling
your autopilot right down the approach, to ATP standards.
Simultaneously, you're displaying the CDI needles from the localizer on the screen.
In the event of a discrepency, you're supposed to fly the approach to the
CDI needles, not the HITS.
Most of the time, they will match up great. If you ever see that they don't, you
would need to hand-fly that approach.
Since you display it all on the Chelton, there is no big issue with that....you're
flying the GPS derived approach, on a real ILS approach, but you're monitoring
those needles the whole time...so you can legally fly the approach. All
that's lacking is a +/- 150mV CONVERSION to Digital contol for the autopilot....so
in effect, you aren't getting a direct ILS localizer/Glideslope control to
your autopilot....you're getting the display, but the control is done on GPS
data.
This whole thing isn't really a Chelton issue, although they could maybe add that
functionality and it would be another big plus.
The issue is that the buyer has a Digiflight II VSGV with no
+/- 150mV inputs.
If the buyer buys a Sorcerer, you can now fly directly input +/- 150mV signals
that are produced by your SL-30 or other Nav radio. The Sorcerer has this ability.
But, in order to do this, you'll want to install a source select switch on your
Autopilot....so you can choose if you want to fly it from the SL-30 or the Chelton.
(it may be that you can select the source from the buttons on the sorcerer...I'm
not sure on that one yet).
At this point, your Chelton is now nothing more than a CDI for the approach (along
with it's other functions). Your radio and autopilot are directly flying
the glideslope and approach. I do agree that this is nice capability, but given
the performance and capability of the Chelton, I would really question the
added value.....because the Sorcerer will cost you over $3,000 more....all while
causing you to NOT get the benefit you could be getting out of your Chelton's
awesome flight planning and HITS.
You Might say "what if my Chelton dies", but remember that you have 2 or more screens,
and they're independently capable of displaying that CDI. You can lose
AHRS, and still show those needles.
In my implementation, I still plan to connect the Autopilot to my Radios with a
source select switch, Chelton or GNS480.
I won't have an external CDI, because I'm comfortable with trusting the Chelton
CDI....however, if someone wanted to add a separate CDI, then you should be able
to fly an approach using the GNS480 coupled directly to the DFIIVSGV, using
the external CDI for display, and lose the entire Chelton system. I do see
from the install manual that hooking a GNS480 to a DFIIVSGV requires hooking up
both Serial and AIRINC 429 lines, but I can't tell you for sure if this means
the GNS480 can control the vertical navigation of the DFIIVSGV. I'm thinking
yes, because it's listed as a normally supported feature of that AP, but I'll
talk to TruTrak to verify that one.
As for the functionality being integrated into the Chelton at a later date to actually
control the autopilot based on the ILS signalling instead of it's internal
GPS....Robin said he thought the only way it would work in the future would
be after a software upgrade and with the Sorcerer. My take is a bit different.
I don't think I'd hold my breath for
+/- 150mV signalling OUT of the Chelton....because that
would be software AND hardware changes. My *guess* is that IF this is ever implemented,
it would work with the DFIIVSGV because they would just use the signal
they get that shows the needles on screen and process that data and output
it digitally....that way it doesn't require a hardware upgrade.
So I'd think that you really just need to look at how bad you think you need that
sorcerer TODAY and make the choice.
If you'll use it today, great, but I doubt you'll have any
*increased* need tomorrow.
So, I was getting a bit worried when I saw the thread reappear with what was seemingly
conflicting information.
As it turned out, the old info still applied, just not in the
way that I thought exactly. If you're comfortable allowing
the Chelton's synthetic vision GPS enabled approach data to fly your ILS, all the
while monitoring your CDI needles on screen, coupled to your DFIIVSGV, then
you're fine. If your needles don't match the HITS, you do an AP disconnect and
hand fly it the rest of the way. Since it would be crazy to just let your
autopilot fly an approach without monitoring it, I don't see this as a bad trade-off.
I'm not likely to be too interested in the alternative.....turn off the
approach on the chelton, load the approach on the GNS480 and fly it on the
GNS480, without using the Chelton for more than a CDI display....that would be
my Emergency mode of operation.
Hopefully that clarifies, instead of muddies the info.
The hardest thing about this Avionics stuff is getting all the proper info compiled.
Oh, and I opened my SL-30 install manual today. Turns out that you can kind of
get a feel for some of these connections if you dig through the manual...who
woulda thunk it. ;)
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Robin Wessel wrote:
> * *
>
> *Hold the phone.... Why are you referring to "into VNAV guidance*
> *for the GPS"? Where does this come into play?? I'm not concerned*
> *if it can take ILS glideslope data and use it for a GPS approach.* *I
> want it to take the ILS glideslope and display it as a pair* *of
> needles. That it will do. What it won't do is let you* *fly a
> non-GPS overlaid approach, using the HITS boxes. i.e.* *when you fly
> an ILS, you need to use the needles, not the* *boxes. Is this your
> understanding, or what am I missing?*
>
> Tim-
>
> Sorry if I was not clear in my comments about the VNAV guidance with
> the Chelton. What I should have said is "VNAV guidance for the A/P."
> As you know, the Digiflight A/P can only steer based on NMEA and ARINC
> signals not analog +/-150mV signals. I was really hoping that the
> Chelton would convert the SL30 glideslope data coming in digitally and
> convert it into VNAV commands for the Digiflight. This would eliminate
> the need for the expensive Sorcerer in order to get a true coupled ILS.
> As a credit to Peter at Direct2avioncs, he felt that adding this
> capability would be something to consider. Hopefully by the time I
> need to plunk down the cash, this capability will be included.
>
>
> robin
>
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| Subject: | Rolling the Elevator leading edges |
I do seem to be a bit faster than most builders. When I took the EAA RV class
back in Jan, I was the first one done (by quite a bit) and the instructor said
he was impressed with the work (not even close to trying to toot my own horn,
he hasn't seen some of my more recent work).
I credit a lot of the time saving to having a large shop that let's me spread
out the work and not have to move stuff around a lot. I have about 6 2x6 work
benches and 2 3x8 benches. The Burraway and DRDT-2 C frame also make a huge
difference. Lastly, I'm sticking with Alodine and not priming. I use a 40 Gal
Rubbermaid garbage bin to hose down stuff with Alumiprep which allows me to
reclaim the acid also. My Alodine is premixed in another 40 gal Rubbermaid,
of which I have about 25gal mixed. I keep it next to the crate my spars came
in and I can very quickly cut a piece of plastic drop cloth to line it with and
use an aquarium pump to fill it and a hole in the bottom to drain straight back
into the garbage can ala Tim's method. This works so well that I can go from
cleaning the parts to acid wash and alodine in about 10 minutes. I think
I'm going to throw the big skins crate up and start doing the skins also.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rolling the Elevator leading edges
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
For my own sanity, I'm going to assume that you and I either track time differently
or that you've had some help. I may not be blazing, but I can't imagine
doing what I've done in about 1/3rd the time.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
300 hours, about 5 of them on the tail cone.
On Jun 14, 2005, at 2:15 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> I went with a 1" piece of PVC that I match drilled and clecoed on.
> This
> allowed me to get a little more crank on the pipe and the cleco's do a
> better job than duct tape at holding it together.
>
> I just need to hang the trim tabs yet and my elevators are done.
> Maybe
> 2 hours. This will put me right around 115 hours total time.
> Incidentally, putting proseal in the Texas sun will cure it in about 2
> hours. Figured it would help but didn't expect that. Then again it
> was clear and 97 today.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #40352
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Carpenter
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:11 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rolling the Elevator leading edges
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> Hi Kent,
>
> That's certainly the way mine went together. I don't think you
> need to
> worry about the tension, but be sure to get good compression on the
> skins when pop-riveting.
>
> I'm kit # 40304 and am in the early steps of the tail cone at 300
> hours
> total time. How many hours have you put in?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2005, at 11:23 AM, Kent Forsythe wrote:
>
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
>> <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>>
>> When rolling the leading edges of the elevators, I follow the 1.25
>> inch pipe method and the curves look good but I can never get them
>> to curve into they're final position. They always seem to have a
>> gap of about 3/4 inch that I need to pull together to rivet.
>>
>> Is this OK? I can't seem to find a way to get the entire bend in
>> there since bending the lower portion gets in the way of bending
>> the upper portion. Is this tension going to cause any issues down
>> the road?
>>
>> The final result looks great but I'm just a little uneasy knowing
>> that these were in tension when they were riveted.
>>
>> Thanks in advance to all,
>>
>> Kent Forsythe
>> 40338
>> Elevators
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| Subject: | Rolling the Elevator leading edges |
Hmm, wish I could take credit. I think I pilfered it from someone else. At this
point I have no idea what I came up with and what I saw on someone else's site
or in old emails. ;-)
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rolling the Elevator leading edges
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
That's a great tip Michael,
I used conduit and duct tap without any problems but your idea is cool....you should
get it in the RVator to pass along to others. This is an area a lot of builders
seem to struggle with. I figure I got lucky when I tried it the first
time.
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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| Subject: | Re: John Deere colors |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
Greg,
The yellow wheels were a nice touch.
I live in John Deere country and parts for planters are made not 6
blocks away.
I once saw a bicycle with a similar paint scheme right down to the decal
on the top tube. John Deere sold bikes in the early 70s but, unlike this
one, they were heavy with cheap components. This turned out to be a
Masi, a fine Italian racing machine. The owner had won a paint job at a
race and chose the familiar green and yellow. Quite a good joke around
Moline, Illinois.
Do Not Archive
MG
Greg Young wrote:
>Speaking of John Deere schemes... It's nice to have a graphic artist
>working for you8-)
>
>Greg
>
>Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Thanks John....I do tend to worry about wasting bandwidth, although
you'd never know it from my posts. ;) My feeling though is that
especially in avionics, there's so little good info out there that
when I find something useful I feel obligated to post it. Same with
building tips or gotchas. I type darn fast since all I do all day
is sit at a keyboard, so it's really not a problem in that regard.
My goal is to try to give a good, full, explanation that someone
could look at and when done reading have a good share of their
questions answered. And, when I post things like today's link to
andair suppliers, I try to be complete.
In regards to Michael Sausen's post just after yours, I'd love
to try to get a list together of what works with what, but I
don't really have the time to investigate the capabilities of
all of the radios and EFIS's myself. I plan to do a good full
web page write up of the integration of the GNS480/Chelton/SL30/
EIS6000/TruTrak so that others can see the capabilities, and
after I've flown it, I'll critique it all....oh, and invite
any of you to come out for a flight and see how it works...that's
something I only wish I could get right now.
As for Michael's first humorous comment about all the switch
turning, it's actually both applicable, and not applicable.
There's going to be a hell of a lot of work involved in learning
any complex EFIS or GPS/NAV/COM system integrated to the autopilot,
but when it comes right down to it, this is one of my biggest reasons
for using the Chelton... I'm all for flying by miniumum necessary
instruments for practice, but, I truly expect my instruments to
function with very high reliability. In that sense, once I learn
the system well, I think the Chelton integrated system will probably
involve far less button pushing and knob turning than probably
any other system that offers anywhere near the function.
The SL-30 will auto-tune the frequency from the Chelton, so it'll
just be a matter of enter my plan, and execute. The unit itself
has so many of the features that I don't expect to be using much
off the GNS480 in the first place. Sometimes I wonder why
I bothered, but, you only live once, and before I have some
problem and lose my medical or my life, I want to live it up
with this plane.
Thanks guys for your comments. As I learn anything useful
I'll try to pass it along.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Droopy Erickson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Droopy Erickson" <Droopy@ericksonjc.com>
>
>
> Tim,
>
> Great research. I know you may think you're wasting bandwidth, but this
> has been one of the best glass avionics discussions I've seen here yet.
> Just had one thing to add to everything below. The GNS480 has the
> ability to display a full compass rose CDI on screen. So even if the
> Chelton frys itself, you still have full up backup CDI display...
>
> John
> #40208
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:16 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RE: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Today I spent a little bit of time talking to TruTrak, Direct2Avionics,
> and another RV-10 builder/Chelton owner. I did get some great
> clarification into this issue that actually helps verify the paragraph
> below by Robin.
>
> Here's the deal...
>
> <SNIPPING A GREAT DISCUSSION>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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s=s1024; d=yahoo.com;
b=uLfU/1C0nvS24Y4Rv3sn0pK8E4rqeBGHdXt+co+ZzHsOUFW5+0U1NuA6lGiW5cql2RiuO3dkBHTlJWOfG9r66P98mnHLKQIXz03HF97xPz/YDLDL0CT1TryslVbPptnueTFLXcDwlxpmetHecfNV03DcDc8ZCsAe14rGQNU92Ak=
;
--> RV10-List message posted by: Robert <retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
I received an interesting call today from Barbara
at Van's. It seems that the folks in the
Philipines are producing fuselages but not too
many wings. She wanted to know if I wanted to go
ahead and have the fuselage shipped. Since I am
in the processing of riveting the tail cone and
the rest of the QB kit wasn't supposed to be
shipped until August I thought I would go ahead
and have it shipped :-)
I asked her if they didn't quite get it in the
Philipines that there needed to be 2 wings with
every fuselage. She laughed and said maybe they
would catch on soon.
Oh well I'm happy to be getting the fuse now so
the project won't be delayed.
Robert Vinroot
N843RV #40343
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d="scan'208"; a="1048300752:sNHT19049204"
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Byron Gillespie" <bgill1@charter.net>
That pretty well matches up with the conversation I had today. I
received the call yesterday that my QB wings were ready to ship. I am
going QB wings and std fuselage and am only about 20% complete. When I
checked back today, I asked if there was a wait on the wings and she
said that they had several QB fuselage kits that were without wings so I
opted to let someone else have the wings and I'll hold off till the
fall. No since in letting them sit in the crate when someone else could
be doing something with them. Save the cash balance and continue to
dimple away.....
Byron
Deep in the std fus..#40253
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Subject: RV10-List: QB fuselage
--> RV10-List message posted by: Robert <retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
I received an interesting call today from Barbara
at Van's. It seems that the folks in the
Philipines are producing fuselages but not too
many wings. She wanted to know if I wanted to go
ahead and have the fuselage shipped. Since I am
in the processing of riveting the tail cone and
the rest of the QB kit wasn't supposed to be
shipped until August I thought I would go ahead
and have it shipped :-)
I asked her if they didn't quite get it in the
Philipines that there needed to be 2 wings with
every fuselage. She laughed and said maybe they
would catch on soon.
Oh well I'm happy to be getting the fuse now so
the project won't be delayed.
Robert Vinroot
N843RV #40343
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Wondering if any one has some thoughts on whether to use a gascolator or not on
the IO-540 version. I have had a nice Andaire one for some time but not sure
if I really need it. I noticed it is part of the FWF kit, But when I talked to
the Van's folks they didn't think it was necessary and couldn't even remember
if they put one on their 10. In addition to that, there are no mention of it
in the FWF plans. Ideas/ thoughts appreciated. Thx. Mark (40016)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Thats funny. I also spoke with Barbara today. When I ordered my emp I
also ordered the QB wings and fuselage back in March (builder 40356).
They were both supposed to ship in August, but both the wings and fuse
are ready to ship now. I only have the emp attach left to compete. I
need to make room for some aircraft parts.
Larry Rosen
#40356
QB wings and Fuselage ready to ship
Robert wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Robert <retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
>
>I received an interesting call today from Barbara
>at Van's. It seems that the folks in the
>Philipines are producing fuselages but not too
>many wings. She wanted to know if I wanted to go
>ahead and have the fuselage shipped. Since I am
>in the processing of riveting the tail cone and
>the rest of the QB kit wasn't supposed to be
>shipped until August I thought I would go ahead
>and have it shipped :-)
>I asked her if they didn't quite get it in the
>Philipines that there needed to be 2 wings with
>every fuselage. She laughed and said maybe they
>would catch on soon.
>Oh well I'm happy to be getting the fuse now so
>the project won't be delayed.
>
>Robert Vinroot
>N843RV #40343
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Extras to Order with QB Wings |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
My quick build wings and fuselage are ready to ship. I would like some advice
on what additional items I should add to the order. I especially wanted to get
items that would be difficult to ship via UPS. Extra rivets, bolts, nuts, washers
etc will be procured a Oshkosh. This is my list so far.
0.2 lbs of these oops rivets
NAS1097AD3-3 RIVETS (LB)
NAS1097AD3-3.5 RIVETS (LB)
NAS1097AD3-4 RIVETS (LB)
NAS1097AD3-6 RIVETS (LB)
NAS1097AD4-3.5 OOPS RIVETS (LB)
NAS1097AD4-4 OOPS RIVETS (LB)
NAS1097AD4-5 OOPS RIVETS (LB)
NAS1097AD4-6 OOPS RIVETS (LB)
100 each blind rivets
CS4-4
LP4-3
LP4-4
MK-319-BS (only 50)
Nut Plates (20 each)
K1000-3 for AN3
K1000-4 for AN4
K1100-06 counter sunk for 6-32
Extruded Angle (2 each)
AA6-063X3/4X3/4X6' ALUM ANGLE
AA6-125X1X1X6
AA6-125X3/4X3/4X6
Bent Angle (3)
AA3-032-3/x3/4x4'
Z Angle
AZ6-.063x1.125x625x18
Larry Rosen
RV10 #40356
QB wings and Fuselage shipping SOON!
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| Subject: | Excellent -10 Picture! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Here's a great picture from Van's Hobbs Meter off their site. Two -10s
fly from the same location on the same day! One is the "Tim Paint
Scheme Look-Alike" :)
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/first_flight/pair_of_tens_lg.jpg>
-Sean #40303 (ailerons - Dang, that leading edge skin is hard to cleco
on top)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I forgot to mention earlier....for those who are seriously
looking at the Chelton, call Direct2Avionics and see if they
can send you their Chelton training DVD.
I think it is based on 5.0A software (current will be 5.0C shortly
from what another Chelton owner made it sound like))
but even though there are now more capabilities than the DVD
shows, it will give you a great idea as to how things work.
If they give me permission, I could process it down to
a VCD or .asf version for you to watch if needed, but I'd
rather not waste the internet bandwidth if they'll send you
the DVD....besides that,it'll be higher quality on DVD.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Thanks John....I do tend to worry about wasting bandwidth, although
> you'd never know it from my posts. ;) My feeling though is that
> especially in avionics, there's so little good info out there that
> when I find something useful I feel obligated to post it. Same with
> building tips or gotchas. I type darn fast since all I do all day
> is sit at a keyboard, so it's really not a problem in that regard.
> My goal is to try to give a good, full, explanation that someone
> could look at and when done reading have a good share of their
> questions answered. And, when I post things like today's link to
> andair suppliers, I try to be complete.
>
> In regards to Michael Sausen's post just after yours, I'd love
> to try to get a list together of what works with what, but I
> don't really have the time to investigate the capabilities of
> all of the radios and EFIS's myself. I plan to do a good full
> web page write up of the integration of the GNS480/Chelton/SL30/
> EIS6000/TruTrak so that others can see the capabilities, and
> after I've flown it, I'll critique it all....oh, and invite
> any of you to come out for a flight and see how it works...that's
> something I only wish I could get right now.
>
> As for Michael's first humorous comment about all the switch
> turning, it's actually both applicable, and not applicable.
> There's going to be a hell of a lot of work involved in learning
> any complex EFIS or GPS/NAV/COM system integrated to the autopilot,
> but when it comes right down to it, this is one of my biggest reasons
> for using the Chelton... I'm all for flying by miniumum necessary
> instruments for practice, but, I truly expect my instruments to
> function with very high reliability. In that sense, once I learn
> the system well, I think the Chelton integrated system will probably
> involve far less button pushing and knob turning than probably
> any other system that offers anywhere near the function.
> The SL-30 will auto-tune the frequency from the Chelton, so it'll
> just be a matter of enter my plan, and execute. The unit itself
> has so many of the features that I don't expect to be using much
> off the GNS480 in the first place. Sometimes I wonder why
> I bothered, but, you only live once, and before I have some
> problem and lose my medical or my life, I want to live it up
> with this plane.
>
> Thanks guys for your comments. As I learn anything useful
> I'll try to pass it along.
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Droopy Erickson wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Droopy Erickson"
>> <Droopy@ericksonjc.com>
>>
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> Great research. I know you may think you're wasting bandwidth, but this
>> has been one of the best glass avionics discussions I've seen here yet.
>> Just had one thing to add to everything below. The GNS480 has the
>> ability to display a full compass rose CDI on screen. So even if the
>> Chelton frys itself, you still have full up backup CDI display...
>>
>> John
>> #40208
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:16 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RE: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Today I spent a little bit of time talking to TruTrak, Direct2Avionics,
>> and another RV-10 builder/Chelton owner. I did get some great
>> clarification into this issue that actually helps verify the paragraph
>> below by Robin.
>>
>> Here's the deal...
>>
>> <SNIPPING A GREAT DISCUSSION>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Extras to Order with QB Wings |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Very good list....I'd add some K1000-08 nutplates.
Maybe see if they have some .063 scrap sheet around
too, like a 6" x 12" piece..whatever you can get without
cutting charges.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Larry wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> My quick build wings and fuselage are ready to ship. I would like some
> advice on what additional items I should add to the order. I especially
> wanted to get items that would be difficult to ship via UPS. Extra
> rivets, bolts, nuts, washers etc will be procured a Oshkosh. This is my
> list so far.
>
> 0.2 lbs of these oops rivets
> NAS1097AD3-3 RIVETS (LB) NAS1097AD3-3.5
> RIVETS (LB) NAS1097AD3-4 RIVETS
> (LB) NAS1097AD3-6 RIVETS (LB)
> NAS1097AD4-3.5 OOPS RIVETS (LB) NAS1097AD4-4
> OOPS RIVETS (LB) NAS1097AD4-5 OOPS RIVETS
> (LB) NAS1097AD4-6 OOPS RIVETS (LB)
>
> 100 each blind rivets
> CS4-4
> LP4-3
> LP4-4
> MK-319-BS (only 50)
>
> Nut Plates (20 each)
> K1000-3 for AN3
> K1000-4 for AN4
> K1100-06 counter sunk for 6-32
>
> Extruded Angle (2 each)
> AA6-063X3/4X3/4X6' ALUM ANGLE AA6-125X1X1X6
> AA6-125X3/4X3/4X6
>
> Bent Angle (3)
> AA3-032-3/x3/4x4'
>
> Z Angle
> AZ6-.063x1.125x625x18
>
> Larry Rosen
> RV10 #40356
> QB wings and Fuselage shipping SOON!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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