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1. 09:39 AM - cleaning skins (Bill and Tami Britton)
2. 09:58 AM - Re: cleaning skins (Tim Olson)
3. 10:11 AM - Re: cleaning skins (Eric Panning)
4. 11:21 AM - QB Documentation question (Roger Standley)
5. 04:11 PM - Re: QB Documentation question (linn walters)
6. 04:47 PM - Re: Build Time (McGANN, Ron)
7. 05:26 PM - Re: Oil Cooler Assembly - Tight Rivet (Mark Ritter)
8. 05:44 PM - aileron pushrod assemblies (brian bollaert)
9. 05:45 PM - Re: QB Documentation question (Marcus Cooper)
10. 06:07 PM - Re: QB Documentation question (Roger Standley)
11. 07:06 PM - Re: aileron pushrod assemblies (Richard Sipp)
12. 07:34 PM - Re: QB Documentation question (Chris , Susie McGough)
13. 10:06 PM - Weld-On 10 (DejaVu)
14. 10:18 PM - Re: Oil Cooler Assembly - Tight Rivet (DejaVu)
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I've finished my HS now but when we sprayed the 2 part sherwin williams primer
on the inside structures/skins we got quite a bit of overspray on the outside
of the skins (next time we'll be more careful). Anyway, the skins have almost
a sandpaper texture due to all the overspray. What's the best way to clean them???
Can I just use a dry scotch-brite pad (will remove the shiny alclad coating
but that's what the previous builder did on the rudder/fin anyway)??? Will
MEK do the job???
Any other suggestions???
Thanks,
Bill Britton
HS done, will start elevators as soon as 2005 wheat harvest ends
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| Subject: | Re: cleaning skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I wouldn't even worry about it in the slightest. I didn't even
mask outside areas and just let the overspray happen on mine.
Since you didn't clean the skins and prep them great, it's not
going to have that much grip anyway, and when it's time to paint
you're going to scotchbrite the whole outside before you do
much of naything else too. And, you don't want to do that right
now, because you want to keep the alclad intact while you're waiting
for the painting process to start. If you really want it off,
then sure, try MEK soaked rags laying on the skins, and after
it softens, wipe it off, but seriously, I would just leave it
for now.
Tim
Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
> I've finished my HS now but when we sprayed the 2 part sherwin williams
> primer on the inside structures/skins we got quite a bit of overspray on
> the outside of the skins (next time we'll be more careful). Anyway, the
> skins have almost a sandpaper texture due to all the overspray. What's
> the best way to clean them??? Can I just use a dry scotch-brite pad
> (will remove the shiny alclad coating but that's what the previous
> builder did on the rudder/fin anyway)??? Will MEK do the job???
>
> Any other suggestions???
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Britton
> HS done, will start elevators as soon as 2005 wheat harvest ends
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| Subject: | Re: cleaning skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
Bill,
I use the same primer and MEK will remove the
overspray. Depending on the wipe you use, it may
lightly scratch the underlying surface. Not to worry
though, you will be roughing up the outer surfaces
prior to exterior painting anyway...
Also, Van's recommends removing the blue plastic. They
said they only put it on because of complaints of
scratches on new parts - but in the end you
scotch-brite the exterior down anyway... That said,
I've left mine on except for the rivet lines. It is
rumored to get harder to remove over time - perhaps
incentive to build faster? :)
Eric
--- Bill and Tami Britton <william@gbta.net> wrote:
> I've finished my HS now but when we sprayed the 2
> part sherwin williams primer on the inside
> structures/skins we got quite a bit of overspray on
> the outside of the skins (next time we'll be more
> careful). Anyway, the skins have almost a sandpaper
> texture due to all the overspray. What's the best
> way to clean them??? Can I just use a dry
> scotch-brite pad (will remove the shiny alclad
> coating but that's what the previous builder did on
> the rudder/fin anyway)??? Will MEK do the job???
>
> Any other suggestions???
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Britton
> HS done, will start elevators as soon as 2005 wheat
> harvest ends
>
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| Subject: | QB Documentation question |
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I just received my QB fuselage and wings. They came in three boxes. It's raining
so the boxes are outside covered with tarps! Major bummer!! The 4x5x8' (smaller
fuselage box) had the inventory list. Anybody know which box contains the
builder's manual?
Roger
#40291
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| Subject: | Re: QB Documentation question |
Roger Standley wrote:
> I just received my QB fuselage and wings. They came in three boxes.
> It's raining so the boxes are outside covered with tarps! Major
> bummer!! The 4x5x8' (smaller fuselage box) had the inventory list.
> Anybody know which box contains the builder's manual?
The last one you open, of course!!! :-P
Linn
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> Roger
> #40291
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Jeff,
Build time numbers bring to mind the old addage - "lies, damn lies and
statistics" ;-)
I checked my log this morning and found I had about 450hrs in the empennage
- without fairings. Build included alodine and priming of all components
and skins. 99% of this was done solo, and having a partner to help rivet
skins (in my experience anyway) increases productivity and quality
considerably. This is my first acft project. I don't think I am
excessively anal, but I do take pride in my work. I did not complete any
previous building courses, but used the empennage as a learning process and
took my time.
I have found that productivity is helped best by regular shop time, and it
certainly increases as you gain the essential skills. I have almost
completed the wings and have a total time investment of just under 1000hrs
in the project. I no longer shoot skins without a riveting partner.
Slow build fuse will arrive shortly. I expect to have the project done
around Jan 07 with an investment of about 2500hrs and a period of just under
3 years.
Take your time and enjoy the process. It will take as long as it takes, but
if you rush - it will take longer :-)
cheers,
Ron
#187
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Build Time
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
John and Randy,
Don't get me wrong... I love building and I'm not discouraged... but
I do want a 4 year project and not a 6 year project. I enjoy
building but I really look forward to flying this plane. And, given
that the tail kit will probably take me somewhere along the lines of
350 hours (and the average, best I can tell is around 200 hours), it
looks like I may be "over building" a bit.
I think it's probably time I found myself a tech counselor to come
have a look and see where I may be able to pick up the pace.
Any takers?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Altadena, California
On Jun 17, 2005, at 11:58 AM, John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> Oh! I'm not discouraged! I love this!
>
> I was trying to advise Jeff not to think too hard about it. Enjoy the
> process. Even 1,500 hours could seem like forever for some. With you
> parked next door the inspiration to keep going is right there!
> Folks, I
> hope everyone gets to see Randy's plane at some point. Just
> beautiful. All
> slow build and finished in 20 months. Wow...
>
> I'll be glad to accept the ride, though! Anytime!
>
> John Jessen
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> DeBauw
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 11:32 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Build Time
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>
> Well in a couple of weeks walk next door and I will give you a ride
> and you
> will not be discouraged. This plane is a blast to build and you
> should
> enjoy the time spent. If not quicken the process as much as you can by
> having the panel, paint, wiring, and fiberglass work done by
> someone else
> and go all quick build. I would bet that your build time
> could be in the 1500 hour range. Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 8:51 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Build Time
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> So, at 2200 hours, let's say that I can put in an average of 20
> hours per
> week, given I travel some and there are others you have to pay
> attention to
> every once in awhile, that'd be 110 weeks or a little over
> 2 years. I can live with that type of calculation. If it takes
> 2.5 or
> 2.75 years, fine. I know I'll be impatient when I get as far as
> the panel
> and doors, because by then it's becoming a reality and you want to
> get it in
> the air. Right now it's still a bunch of parts and I'd rather not
> think too
> far out. Could get discouraging.
>
> John Jessen
> (Countersinks might be too deep, but they look neat.)
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> DeBauw
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 8:20 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Build Time
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>
> 2200 hundred hours by yourself will be very close John. Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 12:14 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Build Time
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> Well, this is a curious topic. I thought about just this as I was
> working
> on the rudder tonight. I get about 2 to 3 hours per night of good
> work in,
> plus at least 8 hours on the weekend, sometimes more. I tend to
> work alone,
> just because I like it that way. I know someone was advocating
> partnering,
> and I agree it would help speed things along, but it's just not my
> style.
> I'm sure that 99% of the build time will be me. I'll probably do
> slow build
> wings and quick build fuselage (the latter only because I'll be
> getting
> antsy to move faster), so that will take more time.
>
> But how much? I'd like to think 2 years, but it'll probably be at
> least 3.
> If I get to the first of the year and I'm still on the Empcone,
> then I may
> change my mind about working alone and getting slow build wings.
> My son
> will do the panel design, and I hope by the time I'm ready for the
> engine,
> I'll have enough to buy new. Painting can wait while I fly for six
> months,
> although the interior will get plenty of attention.
>
> That doesn't answer your question, but you know what? I'd rather
> not ponder
> it too hard. It's a journey. I'm enjoying it. I'm already
> thinking about
> the next type to build. Probably a Sportsman on floats.
> With the folding wings, it might just fit next to the RV!
>
> John Jessen
> (Working on the rudder while the primer dries on the VS)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Carpenter
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:22 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Build Time
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> I realize we work at different speeds, with different skill sets, to
> different standards and with different levels of panels, paint jobs
> and mods
> in mind, but I would still like to get a handle on how long this
> thing is
> going to take me to build. Don't' get me wrong, I enjoy the build
> process,
> but I'd like to know if I'm on track for 4 years or 12...
> and if I'm taking longer than I should, is it that I need a
> different tool
> or spend too much time deburring?
>
> I'm certain too, that builders both ahead of and behind me would be
> helped
> along by some reasonable sense of how they were progressing
> relative to the
> group.
>
> Anyway, with all that in mind I report the following:
>
> I've been working since November 16th, 2004 when my tail kit arrived.
> I'm sustaining a pace of 2 hours a day, 5 days a week and have some
> notion
> that the project will take me 2000 hours... or about
> 4 years from the time I unpacked the crate. As of today, I've put in
> 309.18 hours. I track my time on the computer by "clocking in"
> when I begin
> work and "clocking out" when I've washed my hands after I've
> stopped work.
> My time includes unpacking the crate and taking the inventory. It
> doesn't
> include setting up the work shop, reading the manual before bed or
> reading
> these e-mails.
>
> I've previously built the tail of an RV-6 I'm not priming anything
> aluminum
> until I get to the cabin.
> I work with almost no help (I enlist some from time to time when I
> can't
> reach both sides of a rivet).
> My project sits inside my commercial printing business and I work
> on it
> during the work day, so I'm subject to interruptions from my
> employees and
> customers I'll likely "buy" my panel, upholstery and firewall
> forward. I'm
> considering shooting my own paint.
>
> I've had to build a pair of attach brackets for the HS as well as
> the tip
> ribs for the elevators twice at the cost of about 10 hours
>
> I've got about 2-3 hours left to attach the trim tabs to the
> elevators and
> have put about 14 hours into the tail cone while I waited for the
> pro-seal
> to dry on the tabs.
>
> Any thoughts? Is my 2000 hour expectation reasonable?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> N410CF
> OSH 09
>
>
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| Subject: | Oil Cooler Assembly - Tight Rivet |
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| Subject: | aileron pushrod assemblies |
Hello Group:
For those with qb or slow build check page 39-5 figure #1 and # 2 , if your f-1064
is 13 1/16 you can delete #1 step , the 1/2 in sleeves are not needed ,
the new manual updates this .Just use the AN316-4 nuts and tighten to the 14
7/8 .
This will save you staring into space looking at the manual , and then making the
ultimate phone call !!
Should save at least 1/2 hour !
Still thinking about the panel !
Brian Bollaert
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| Subject: | QB Documentation question |
My QB fuselage arrived only 2 weeks ago and I already am forgetting the
answer, but I think the manual was in the box that is hidden under the aft
part of the fuselage. One thing looking in that box that didn't settle in
right away is that there weren't too many parts that needed to be dealt
with. After a slow build RV-6 (non-prepunched) and most of a slow build
RV-7 I couldn't stop smiling at all that's been done.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
Subject: RV10-List: QB Documentation question
I just received my QB fuselage and wings. They came in three boxes. It's
raining so the boxes are outside covered with tarps! Major bummer!! The
4x5x8' (smaller fuselage box) had the inventory list. Anybody know which box
contains the builder's manual?
Roger
#40291
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| Subject: | Re: QB Documentation question |
Thank you, Marcus. You were right, manuals were under the aft end of the fuselage.
We finished the inventory in about 2 hours! Very pleased with the quality
and amount of the QB. Did you start the wings next? What page did you start on?
Roger
#40291
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Cooper<mailto:coop85@bellsouth.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 5:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Documentation question
My QB fuselage arrived only 2 weeks ago and I already am forgetting the answer,
but I think the manual was in the box that is hidden under the aft part of
the fuselage. One thing looking in that box that didn't settle in right away
is that there weren't too many parts that needed to be dealt with. After a slow
build RV-6 (non-prepunched) and most of a slow build RV-7 I couldn't stop smiling
at all that's been done.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 4:55 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: QB Documentation question
I just received my QB fuselage and wings. They came in three boxes. It's raining
so the boxes are outside covered with tarps! Major bummer!! The 4x5x8' (smaller
fuselage box) had the inventory list. Anybody know which box contains the
builder's manual?
Roger
#40291
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| Subject: | Re: aileron pushrod assemblies |
Great tip, thanks Brian
Dick Sipp
do not archieve
----- Original Message -----
From: brian bollaert
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: aileron pushrod assemblies
Hello Group:
For those with qb or slow build check page 39-5 figure #1 and # 2 , if your
f-1064 is 13 1/16 you can delete #1 step , the 1/2 in sleeves are not needed
, the new manual updates this .Just use the AN316-4 nuts and tighten to the
14 7/8 .
This will save you staring into space looking at the manual , and then making
the ultimate phone call !!
Should save at least 1/2 hour !
Still thinking about the panel !
Brian Bollaert
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| Subject: | Re: QB Documentation question |
Got any pics Roger??
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Standley
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Documentation question
Thank you, Marcus. You were right, manuals were under the aft end of the fuselage.
We finished the inventory in about 2 hours! Very pleased with the quality
and amount of the QB. Did you start the wings next? What page did you start
on?
Roger
#40291
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Cooper
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 5:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Documentation question
My QB fuselage arrived only 2 weeks ago and I already am forgetting the answer,
but I think the manual was in the box that is hidden under the aft part of
the fuselage. One thing looking in that box that didn't settle in right away
is that there weren't too many parts that needed to be dealt with. After a
slow build RV-6 (non-prepunched) and most of a slow build RV-7 I couldn't stop
smiling at all that's been done.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 4:55 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: QB Documentation question
I just received my QB fuselage and wings. They came in three boxes. It's raining
so the boxes are outside covered with tarps! Major bummer!! The 4x5x8' (smaller
fuselage box) had the inventory list. Anybody know which box contains
the builder's manual?
Roger
#40291
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Someone had posted some tips on using Weld-On 10 to attach the windows and winshield.
Can you pls repost because it didn't come up on the search for some reason.
Thanks,
Anh
#141
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Assembly - Tight Rivet |
1.67 SARE_ADLTSUB2 Contains possible adult words
Mark, thanks for the reply. I've been working on the fiberglass too much and forgot
my bag of tricks on riveting. I used the rivet/female dimple die to dimple
the hole. Have not riveted the oil cooler assembly to the firewall yet but
back riveting should work.
Anh
#141
----- Original Message -----
From: DejaVu
To: RV10
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:11 AM
Subject: Oil Cooler Assembly - Tight Rivet
The flange on the oil cooler assembly is in the way to dimple or rivet the one
right above it to the firewall. Can't pop-dimple it. How have others done it?
Anh
#141
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