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1. 04:13 AM - Re: Just wonderin' (Robert St.Denis)
2. 04:21 AM - Re: Just wonderin' (Robert St.Denis)
3. 07:46 AM - Chelton in AOPA 2005 Commander Sweepstakes plane (Tim Olson)
4. 01:36 PM - Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder (ngautier@earthlink.net)
5. 01:56 PM - Re: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder (James Hein)
6. 02:12 PM - Re: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder (Jeff Carpenter)
7. 02:18 PM - Re: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder (Sean Stephens)
8. 04:02 PM - Re: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder (Jim Combs)
9. 05:23 PM - Re: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder (McGANN, Ron)
10. 07:14 PM - Re: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder (Jim Combs)
11. 07:22 PM - Re: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder ()
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| Subject: | Re: Just wonderin' |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert St.Denis" <rob@iahu.ca>
My prob is I think if I went through building one, then sold it, she
would kill me ! (not because of the money, she'd be ok with that, it's
the 1000-1500hrs more I would be spending in the garage)
Chris , Susie McGough wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough"
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> We built a RV6 to fly but we were always going to sell it to finance
> the next one. We doubled our money on the 6 which is now paying for
> the 10 outright.
> On firemans wages its what we have done ,that way you dont eat into
> household money.
>
> Chris
>
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:54 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Just wonderin'
>
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> I find it easier to make the cuts on the other end. I drive a
>> cheap 10 year old car...buy 'em when they're "new" at 100,000
>> miles+. Don't spend lots of cash on other things, etc.
>> In my opinion, going into a plane purchase this big can be
>> awful touchy if you have any payments beyond a house payment
>> to make. But, a real cool thing would be finding a higher
>> paying job that you actually LIKE.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>> Current project: Fuselage
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
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>> Robert St.Denis wrote:
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>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert St.Denis" <rob@iahu.ca>
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>>> Am I the only one in the group contemplating switching jobs to a higher
>>> paying one you are going to hate just to pay off the project faster ?
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| Subject: | Re: Just wonderin' |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert St.Denis" <rob@iahu.ca>
Thats what I have been thinking ... don't want to be coming home
irritated and putting smileys all over the place. Now if the dollar
would get better by another 5c or so that would be great, I nearly have
the shop already and have to make the first couple of big purchases from
vans
Rob
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I find it easier to make the cuts on the other end. I drive a
> cheap 10 year old car...buy 'em when they're "new" at 100,000
> miles+. Don't spend lots of cash on other things, etc.
> In my opinion, going into a plane purchase this big can be
> awful touchy if you have any payments beyond a house payment
> to make. But, a real cool thing would be finding a higher
> paying job that you actually LIKE.
>
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Robert St.Denis wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert St.Denis" <rob@iahu.ca>
>>
>> Am I the only one in the group contemplating switching jobs to a higher
>> paying one you are going to hate just to pay off the project faster ?
>
>
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| Subject: | Chelton in AOPA 2005 Commander Sweepstakes plane |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I ran across an interesting article this weekend regarding
the current month's status of the AOPA sweepstakes plane.
They're using a dual Chelton system in that plane, and had
great things to say.
In particular though, this caught my attention:
"Chelton recently achieved two milestones with their
FlightLogic system. It released software version 5.0B
and announced that the new software had passed RTCA DO-178B
Level A software design compliance standards. The latter,
in particular, is a big feather in Chelton's cap--Level A
compliance is the same standard that FAA requires for
FAR 25 aircraft, those Boeing and Airbus widebodies that
fly up where there's not much to see.
The Chelton GPS also is WAAS (Wide Aera Augmentation System)
compliant, meaning it is approved to take advantage of both
vertical and horizontal guidance during GPS approaches.
The terrain awareness warning system (TAWS) installed in the
AOPA commander is the "C" version: this version provides
plenty of terrain warning for the low-and-slow capabilities
of the Commander. The Chelton FlightLogic TAWS system can
be configured to provide TAWS-B- and TAWS-A-level capabilities
for turbine and passenger-for-hire aircraft. FOr a look at
the future of general vaiation navigation and HITS
technology, sign up on the website for a free DVD from
Chelton
(http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/Prod_cert_request_info.html)
"
There was more good stuff before this section, but reading the
notes about the software certification was nice...but, it's
hard for me not to notice the WAAS comment. I'm now wondering
if it might not be possible that I didn't need that GNS480
after-all to be WAAS legal...or perhaps that would happen
soon. My current software release is 5.0C, and 6.0 is coming
out soon.
A couple people asked me over the last couple of days about
my GNS480 in the stack. I actually had a funny comment back
in that now that I have a Chelton in-hand, I don't know
if I'd have put the 480 in there at all. The integration
will be fantastic with the SL30, and the Chelton will be
a great box to use. The GNS480 will definitely be
relegated to the COM2/NAV2 position for me, because I can
tell right now that I'm going to use my Chelton to do
many/most of my frequency changes...except possibly during
enroute handoffs. It is kind of nice having a 2nd GPS
on board, but I'm now wondering if possibly a panel-mount
or handheld Garmin 296 wouldn't have given me plenty of
emergency function. If the GNS480 had as nice a tuner
integration as the SL30, it would be great, but without
that, I am just thinking that I'll probably be so hands-off
the 480 that I will never keep proficient in it's operation.
The Chelton is just so darn integrated and seemingly easy
to use.
Just thought I'd pass on that article clip and some
post-4th comments.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
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| Subject: | Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder |
--> RV10-List message posted by: ngautier@earthlink.net
RV10ers,
I've had my 10 tail kit for a few months now and I've been building along
and reading the RV lists.
The vertical stab is done. The rudder is almost done and I've made some progress
on the horizontal
stab. I had not yet posted anything to the list and introduced myself, but I've
run into a
problem I could use some help with so now's the time.
All you people who have finished RV-10 rudders will recall the very aft rivets
that hold the
rudder skins to the lower rib, the rib with the control horn attached. This is
the place where
you don't have enough room to set a solid rivet in (I think) the left skin because
of interference
with the rivet in the right skin;so you use a blind flush rivet on the left.
Well, how did you guys set the solid rivet in the right skin? There's no way
I'm going to get
even my thinnest squeezer yoke between the rivet and the opposite side of the rib.
I've thought
about several schemes to deal with this but a lot of you must have already solved
the problem.
What's the secret? (I did try searching the RV-10 archive but I came up dry.)
Thanks in advance for any help.
Plowing ahead with the H-stab,
Nick Gautier
Altadena, Californis
RV-10 #40363
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| Subject: | Re: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
I used a blind pop rivet on both sides. Looks good.
-Jim 40384
ngautier@earthlink.net wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: ngautier@earthlink.net
>
>RV10ers,
>
> I've had my 10 tail kit for a few months now and I've been building along
and reading the RV lists.
>The vertical stab is done. The rudder is almost done and I've made some progress
on the horizontal
>stab. I had not yet posted anything to the list and introduced myself, but I've
run into a
>problem I could use some help with so now's the time.
>
> All you people who have finished RV-10 rudders will recall the very aft rivets
that hold the
>rudder skins to the lower rib, the rib with the control horn attached. This is
the place where
>you don't have enough room to set a solid rivet in (I think) the left skin because
of interference
>with the rivet in the right skin;so you use a blind flush rivet on the left.
>
> Well, how did you guys set the solid rivet in the right skin? There's no
way I'm going to get
>even my thinnest squeezer yoke between the rivet and the opposite side of the
rib. I've thought
>about several schemes to deal with this but a lot of you must have already solved
the problem.
>What's the secret? (I did try searching the RV-10 archive but I came up dry.)
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>Plowing ahead with the H-stab,
>Nick Gautier
>Altadena, Californis
>RV-10 #40363
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Nick,
It just so happens I'm in Altadena and have made a bucking bar that
will get into that spot. Come by and borrow it. You can reach me at
626-622-7716.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Jul 5, 2005, at 1:35 PM, ngautier@earthlink.net wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: ngautier@earthlink.net
>
> RV10ers,
>
> I've had my 10 tail kit for a few months now and I've been
> building along and reading the RV lists.
> The vertical stab is done. The rudder is almost done and I've made
> some progress on the horizontal
> stab. I had not yet posted anything to the list and introduced
> myself, but I've run into a
> problem I could use some help with so now's the time.
>
> All you people who have finished RV-10 rudders will recall the
> very aft rivets that hold the
> rudder skins to the lower rib, the rib with the control horn
> attached. This is the place where
> you don't have enough room to set a solid rivet in (I think) the
> left skin because of interference
> with the rivet in the right skin;so you use a blind flush rivet on
> the left.
>
> Well, how did you guys set the solid rivet in the right skin?
> There's no way I'm going to get
> even my thinnest squeezer yoke between the rivet and the opposite
> side of the rib. I've thought
> about several schemes to deal with this but a lot of you must have
> already solved the problem.
> What's the secret? (I did try searching the RV-10 archive but I
> came up dry.)
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Plowing ahead with the H-stab,
> Nick Gautier
> Altadena, Californis
> RV-10 #40363
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Same here. MK-319-BS I believe.
James Hein wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>
> I used a blind pop rivet on both sides. Looks good.
>
> -Jim 40384
>
> ngautier@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: ngautier@earthlink.net
>>
>> RV10ers,
>>
>> I've had my 10 tail kit for a few months now and I've been
>> building along and reading the RV lists. The vertical stab is done.
>> The rudder is almost done and I've made some progress on the
>> horizontal stab. I had not yet posted anything to the list and
>> introduced myself, but I've run into a problem I could use some help
>> with so now's the time.
>>
>> All you people who have finished RV-10 rudders will recall the
>> very aft rivets that hold the rudder skins to the lower rib, the rib
>> with the control horn attached. This is the place where you don't
>> have enough room to set a solid rivet in (I think) the left skin
>> because of interference with the rivet in the right skin;so you use a
>> blind flush rivet on the left.
>>
>> Well, how did you guys set the solid rivet in the right skin?
>> There's no way I'm going to get even my thinnest squeezer yoke
>> between the rivet and the opposite side of the rib. I've thought
>> about several schemes to deal with this but a lot of you must have
>> already solved the problem. What's the secret? (I did try searching
>> the RV-10 archive but I came up dry.)
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>>
>> Plowing ahead with the H-stab,
>> Nick Gautier
>> Altadena, Californis
>> RV-10 #40363
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
YEP, POOP rivet it and continue on
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Same here. MK-319-BS I believe.
James Hein wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>
> I used a blind pop rivet on both sides. Looks good.
>
> -Jim 40384
>
> ngautier@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: ngautier@earthlink.net
>>
>> RV10ers,
>>
>> I've had my 10 tail kit for a few months now and I've been
>> building along and reading the RV lists. The vertical stab is done.
>> The rudder is almost done and I've made some progress on the
>> horizontal stab. I had not yet posted anything to the list and
>> introduced myself, but I've run into a problem I could use some help
>> with so now's the time.
>>
>> All you people who have finished RV-10 rudders will recall the
>> very aft rivets that hold the rudder skins to the lower rib, the rib
>> with the control horn attached. This is the place where you don't
>> have enough room to set a solid rivet in (I think) the left skin
>> because of interference with the rivet in the right skin;so you use a
>> blind flush rivet on the left.
>>
>> Well, how did you guys set the solid rivet in the right skin?
>> There's no way I'm going to get even my thinnest squeezer yoke
>> between the rivet and the opposite side of the rib. I've thought
>> about several schemes to deal with this but a lot of you must have
>> already solved the problem. What's the secret? (I did try searching
>> the RV-10 archive but I came up dry.)
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>>
>> Plowing ahead with the H-stab,
>> Nick Gautier
>> Altadena, Californis
>> RV-10 #40363
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
I back rivetted it using a cold chisel resting on a pivot.
Ron
#187
finishing wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
YEP, POOP rivet it and continue on
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Same here. MK-319-BS I believe.
James Hein wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>
> I used a blind pop rivet on both sides. Looks good.
>
> -Jim 40384
>
> ngautier@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: ngautier@earthlink.net
>>
>> RV10ers,
>>
>> I've had my 10 tail kit for a few months now and I've been
>> building along and reading the RV lists. The vertical stab is done.
>> The rudder is almost done and I've made some progress on the
>> horizontal stab. I had not yet posted anything to the list and
>> introduced myself, but I've run into a problem I could use some help
>> with so now's the time.
>>
>> All you people who have finished RV-10 rudders will recall the
>> very aft rivets that hold the rudder skins to the lower rib, the rib
>> with the control horn attached. This is the place where you don't
>> have enough room to set a solid rivet in (I think) the left skin
>> because of interference with the rivet in the right skin;so you use a
>> blind flush rivet on the left.
>>
>> Well, how did you guys set the solid rivet in the right skin?
>> There's no way I'm going to get even my thinnest squeezer yoke
>> between the rivet and the opposite side of the rib. I've thought
>> about several schemes to deal with this but a lot of you must have
>> already solved the problem. What's the secret? (I did try searching
>> the RV-10 archive but I came up dry.)
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>>
>> Plowing ahead with the H-stab,
>> Nick Gautier
>> Altadena, Californis
>> RV-10 #40363
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
I have also heard of using a vise grip type of pliers to set the small rivets in
this instance as well. You would have to grind the face of the pliers to remove
the teeth.
I too realized the squeezer would not fit and was more afraid of damaging the thin
skins with the rivet gun approach. So I went the pulled rivet (MK-319-BS)
approach.
Jim Combs
N312F Reserved - Fuselage
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
--> RV10-List message posted by: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
I back rivetted it using a cold chisel resting on a pivot.
Ron
#187
finishing wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
YEP, POOP rivet it and continue on
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Same here. MK-319-BS I believe.
James Hein wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>
> I used a blind pop rivet on both sides. Looks good.
>
> -Jim 40384
>
> ngautier@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: ngautier@earthlink.net
>>
>> RV10ers,
>>
>> I've had my 10 tail kit for a few months now and I've been
>> building along and reading the RV lists. The vertical stab is done.
>> The rudder is almost done and I've made some progress on the
>> horizontal stab. I had not yet posted anything to the list and
>> introduced myself, but I've run into a problem I could use some help
>> with so now's the time.
>>
>> All you people who have finished RV-10 rudders will recall the
>> very aft rivets that hold the rudder skins to the lower rib, the rib
>> with the control horn attached. This is the place where you don't
>> have enough room to set a solid rivet in (I think) the left skin
>> because of interference with the rivet in the right skin;so you use a
>> blind flush rivet on the left.
>>
>> Well, how did you guys set the solid rivet in the right skin?
>> There's no way I'm going to get even my thinnest squeezer yoke
>> between the rivet and the opposite side of the rib. I've thought
>> about several schemes to deal with this but a lot of you must have
>> already solved the problem. What's the secret? (I did try searching
>> the RV-10 archive but I came up dry.)
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>>
>> Plowing ahead with the H-stab,
>> Nick Gautier
>> Altadena, Californis
>> RV-10 #40363
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Ditto....
Rick S.
40185
Waiting on the fuse
----- Original Message -----
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
>
> I back rivetted it using a cold chisel resting on a pivot.
>
> Ron
> #187
> finishing wings
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Combs
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2005 8:32 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower aft rivets on the RV-10 rudder
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>
> YEP, POOP rivet it and continue on
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
> Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:18:12 -0700
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> Same here. MK-319-BS I believe.
>
> James Hein wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>>
>> I used a blind pop rivet on both sides. Looks good.
>>
>> -Jim 40384
>>
>> ngautier@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: ngautier@earthlink.net
>>>
>>> RV10ers,
>>>
>>> I've had my 10 tail kit for a few months now and I've been
>>> building along and reading the RV lists. The vertical stab is done.
>>> The rudder is almost done and I've made some progress on the
>>> horizontal stab. I had not yet posted anything to the list and
>>> introduced myself, but I've run into a problem I could use some help
>>> with so now's the time.
>>>
>>> All you people who have finished RV-10 rudders will recall the
>>> very aft rivets that hold the rudder skins to the lower rib, the rib
>>> with the control horn attached. This is the place where you don't
>>> have enough room to set a solid rivet in (I think) the left skin
>>> because of interference with the rivet in the right skin;so you use a
>>> blind flush rivet on the left.
>>>
>>> Well, how did you guys set the solid rivet in the right skin?
>>> There's no way I'm going to get even my thinnest squeezer yoke
>>> between the rivet and the opposite side of the rib. I've thought
>>> about several schemes to deal with this but a lot of you must have
>>> already solved the problem. What's the secret? (I did try searching
>>> the RV-10 archive but I came up dry.)
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>>>
>>> Plowing ahead with the H-stab,
>>> Nick Gautier
>>> Altadena, Californis
>>> RV-10 #40363
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