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1. 06:22 AM - Re: Fuel tank leak test (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
2. 07:29 AM - Fuel tank leak test (John Hasbrouck)
3. 10:52 AM - Plane parking at Oshkosh (Jesse Saint)
4. 11:15 AM - Re: Plane parking at Oshkosh (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
5. 11:36 AM - Re: Plane parking at Oshkosh (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
6. 11:39 AM - Oshkosh bound (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 12:28 PM - Re: Oshkosh bound (John W. Cox)
8. 01:02 PM - Re: Oshkosh bound (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
9. 01:22 PM - Re: RV10-List Digest: mt prop (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
10. 01:31 PM - Re: Oshkosh bound (bob.kaufmann)
11. 02:12 PM - Aussie visit to Vans (Chris , Susie McGough)
12. 02:43 PM - Re: Plane parking at Oshkosh (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
13. 03:59 PM - Re: Oshkosh bound (Tim Olson)
14. 04:07 PM - Re: Oshkosh bound (Tim Olson)
15. 04:18 PM - Re: Oshkosh bound (Tim Olson)
16. 05:39 PM - Re: Oshkosh bound (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
17. 08:00 PM - fuel tank leak test (John Hasbrouck)
18. 10:30 PM - Re: fuel tank leak test (Rick)
19. 11:06 PM - I really really want to build an airplane..... (John R. Lewis)
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| Subject: | Fuel tank leak test |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
John,
Using the manometer method you'll see the level rise and fall as a
function of ambient air temp and pressure. I let mine sit for about a
24 hour period when the weather was benign (no fronts moving through)
and took periodic readings of the level and air temp. Doing this you'll
see the level drop when the temp goes down in the evening/night and rise
when the temp rises.
The filler cap area seems to be a common place for leaks - just tape
over it. You may also see some very small air leaks around a rivet or
two. Green Locktite will fix these easily. Just put a drop on the
rivet and it wicks into voids.
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Hasbrouck
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel tank leak test
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck"
<jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
All,
I've started the leak check on my left fuel tank using Van's kit
and a
water manometer. I have a very slow drop in the water level of the
manometer and have sprayed the tank with soapy water but can't find the
leak. The fuel cap is taped over, I did find a few bubbles from that at
first but the leak persists. Any hints? Thought about imersing the
tank in
the bath tub while pressurized. Suggestions appreciated....
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Fuel tank leak test |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Thanks for your responses. Seems I may have jumped the gun. After pumping
the manometer ( just some vinyl clear hose ) to the level suggested by Van's
( 2' 3" difference between meniscii ) I saw a 1" drop over the period of an
hour. Small leaks at the fittings found and corrected then the tank pumped
again and hosed down with soapy water. Slow drop noticed again ( about 1"
in an hour ) but could find no bubbles anywhere. By then it's late and I
left it as is, wrote the e-mail and went to bed. Got up this morning fully
expecting all the pressure to have leaked out and to my surprise it was just
where I left it last night. Trying to figure out the reason for the initial
drop in the water level. Tank is in a controlled enviornment and baro
pressure has been steady. Posssible explanation might be expansion of the
tank itself? Anyhow, given the above, I guessing there is no leak. BTW,
gave some thought to the idea of filling it up with avgas but nixed that due
to fire hazzard here at home.
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| Subject: | Plane parking at Oshkosh |
Does anybody know the procedure is to park our -10 with the other -10's at
Oshkosh? Is any planning or reservation required? Cost for parking for the
whole show?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Plane parking at Oshkosh |
Check the vansairforce.net RV-10 Forum. There's a note there from the guy in charge
of RV parking for Oshkosh, and he's looking to have a special area for -10's,
relatively near Van's booth.
Be sure to get the Oshkosh NOTAM document from the EAA web site and read the whole
thing . . .
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Plane parking at Oshkosh
Does anybody know the procedure is to park our -10 with the other -10's at Oshkosh?
Is any planning or reservation required? Cost for parking for the whole
show?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Plane parking at Oshkosh |
Actually, being one of the first couple -10's completed you might want to check
with Van's or Vans Airforce to see if they have anything in mind. Maybe you
can get some sort of special handling. ;-)
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Plane parking at Oshkosh
Does anybody know the procedure is to park our -10 with the other -10's at Oshkosh?
Is any planning or reservation required? Cost for parking for the whole
show?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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Ok, so we are just over 2 weeks away and I thought I would see if anyone is planning
anything for Oshkosh. I'll be up there the whole week as I am from the
immediate area and want to visit some friends and family. Tim, you up to putting
together a list again like you did for Sun n Fun?
Michael
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Michael - Ditto, Maybe Tim can post the attendees and a rendezvous
point. I will be flying out of PDX for ORD for a ten day rental car. I
have an Air Boss obligation in Manitowok with the Red Pilots Association
from Thursday, July 21 through Sunday, July 24 then have a house with
Cascade Warbirds friends on the lake in OSH. Will be there the entire
week and looking forward to seeing friends and meeting RV-10 rivet
pounders. Still shy by two flying RV-10 but it should be a great
presentation as the number of kits is inching towards that 500 I
forecast.
John - KUAO
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh bound
Ok, so we are just over 2 weeks away and I thought I would see if anyone
is planning anything for Oshkosh. I'll be up there the whole week as I
am from the immediate area and want to visit some friends and family.
Tim, you up to putting together a list again like you did for Sun n Fun?
Michael
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Tim,
Maybe just change the Sun-N-Fun spreadsheet to reflect Oshkosh? Last
year several of us met immediately following Van's RV-10 forum just
outside the pavilion - as a starting point, how 'bout that?
What about adding a column on the spreadsheet to also indicate who all
is attending Van's banquet?
FWIW, I'll be attending the entire week. We were initially planning to
bring our trailer and camping but have changed and are now renting a
house. Plan is to drive up Sat 7/22 and depart Sun 7/30 AM.
Bob #40105
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh bound
Ok, so we are just over 2 weeks away and I thought I would see if anyone
is planning anything for Oshkosh. I'll be up there the whole week as I
am from the immediate area and want to visit some friends and family.
Tim, you up to putting together a list again like you did for Sun n Fun?
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: mt prop |
Hi All,
The cost for assembly varies by the assembly center. Anywhere from $300 to
$500 or more. You'll want to contact the assembly center closest to you for
an estimate.
The MT Propeller distributors are listed on _www.MT-Propeller.com_
(http://www.MT-Propeller.com) , then the "Contact" page and then the "Distributors"
page.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 07/07/2005 11:59:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rv10-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Time: 10:11:58 AM PST US
From: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
Subject: RV10-List: mt prop
? to the group :
Is anyone buying the mt prop ? has anyone installed it yet ?
How does it work perform ?, i am now deciding to put the money down on a
prop ,
finish & engine forward kit coming in sept 05 also Aerosport io 540 in sept
.Also
not shure about the group buy that i have seen mail on , i know that vans
sells therm also however you have to pick them up at a assembly center &
would
probably be extra $ not shure how much.
Brian Bollaert
40200
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Bob
I'll be there camping in a 5th wheel by the sea plane area. Bob K
Cell is the same as in Vegas 707-767-3587
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oshkosh bound
Tim,
Maybe just change the Sun-N-Fun spreadsheet to reflect Oshkosh? Last year
several of us met immediately following Van's RV-10 forum just outside the
pavilion - as a starting point, how 'bout that?
What about adding a column on the spreadsheet to also indicate who all is
attending Van's banquet?
FWIW, I'll be attending the entire week. We were initially planning to
bring our trailer and camping but have changed and are now renting a house.
Plan is to drive up Sat 7/22 and depart Sun 7/30 AM.
Bob #40105
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh bound
Ok, so we are just over 2 weeks away and I thought I would see if anyone is
planning anything for Oshkosh. I'll be up there the whole week as I am from
the immediate area and want to visit some friends and family. Tim, you up
to putting together a list again like you did for Sun n Fun?
Michael
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| Subject: | Aussie visit to Vans |
Hi all we will be staying close to Vans aircraft for about a week from Aug3 and
would like to catch up with any 10 builders in the area....we will have a car.
Realy just want to take photos of peoples 10 in the latter stages of construction
and also finished ones to get some ideas!
You can reply directly if you wish
Chris Susie Darcy vhmum@bigpond.com
----- Original Message -----
From: John W. Cox
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oshkosh bound
Michael - Ditto, Maybe Tim can post the attendees and a rendezvous point. I
will be flying out of PDX for ORD for a ten day rental car. I have an Air Boss
obligation in Manitowok with the Red Pilots Association from Thursday, July
21 through Sunday, July 24 then have a house with Cascade Warbirds friends on
the lake in OSH. Will be there the entire week and looking forward to seeing
friends and meeting RV-10 rivet pounders. Still shy by two flying RV-10 but it
should be a great presentation as the number of kits is inching towards that
500 I forecast.
John - KUAO
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:33 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh bound
Ok, so we are just over 2 weeks away and I thought I would see if anyone is planning
anything for Oshkosh. I'll be up there the whole week as I am from the
immediate area and want to visit some friends and family. Tim, you up to putting
together a list again like you did for Sun n Fun?
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: Plane parking at Oshkosh |
I saw something recently about parking 10's together. It was from eaa. Check
with them.
Doug
40372
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh bound |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sure, I'll get the list started right now.
I'll post it at http://www.myrv10.com/osh
I'll do the same thing as at SNF....Email me for the password to
the page. The username is "rv10osh". This isn't at all convenient,
but at least your email address and phone numbers won't get scammed
by some unscrupulous person.
To see the format, go to http://www.myrv10.com/osh2
It's the same list, just sanitized.
I added some of Jesse's info, and Randy and Robs, to get it started.
Fill in the blanks, and for future use, send your airport
data and stuff too (and website link). I haven't gotten around
to actually using this for anything, but it would be nice to have
a kind of rolodex that we can use. I know that quite a few of us
keep in touch via phone these days.
I'll definitely be there most of the week myself. I may try to
skip 2 weekdays though, since I have to be there Sat or Sun
to pick up my engine from Aerosport, and my panel from SteinAir.
SteinAir is going to be in booth 2030 in Hanger B this year.
I haven't really planned it out yet, but I may try to hang out
there a bit and show my panel and answer questions as I can
learn more. Since we should have it wired and working, perhaps
it'll be good info for others. I'll be doing a bit of shopping, but
not a whole lot this OSH....almost everything's bought already.
I still have to do Nav lights and Strobes, and some odds and
ends, but there's just not much to buy anymore.
So, start emailing your schedule and info in, and I'll update
it often. On the web page I put a proposed 10:30am meeting
time at Van's booth. This is JUST a proposal....it didn't
work too fantastic at SNF. It would be nice if perhaps we
found a way to get together and eat something over lunch
together or something. I'm not sure how much after-hours
time I'll be there, as my plan is to fly in and out daily,
and you kind of have to be ready to get going shortly
after they open the field for departures if you want to get
out....but, I definitely want to meet up with lots of you
great people.
Tim
DO NOT ARCHIVE
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> Ok, so we are just over 2 weeks away and I thought I would see if anyone
> is planning anything for Oshkosh. I'll be up there the whole week as I
> am from the immediate area and want to visit some friends and family.
> Tim, you up to putting together a list again like you did for Sun n Fun?
>
> Michael
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh bound |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Absolutely...that's what i just did....at least the format of it.
If you were on the SNF list before, just tell me to use your
same info. I'll cut and paste it into the new one.
I almost forgot to add that plug about the RV-10 forum. If they
have one at OSH, plan to be at it and meet afterwards. Unfortunately
though, there's usually only one, and some people aren't there that
day, so a daily meet would be good too.
I'll add a column about the banquet. I'm not planning to go, myself,
although I'm sure it will be fun.
I put you on the list, Bob.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> Tim,
>
>
>
> Maybe just change the Sun-N-Fun spreadsheet to reflect Oshkosh? Last
> year several of us met immediately following Vans RV-10 forum just
> outside the pavilion as a starting point, how bout that?
>
>
>
> What about adding a column on the spreadsheet to also indicate who all
> is attending Vans banquet?
>
>
>
> FWIW, Ill be attending the entire week. We were initially planning to
> bring our trailer and camping but have changed and are now renting a
> house. Plan is to drive up Sat 7/22 and depart Sun 7/30 AM.
>
>
>
> Bob #40105
>
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2005 1:33 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Oshkosh bound
>
>
>
> Ok, so we are just over 2 weeks away and I thought I would see if anyone
> is planning anything for Oshkosh. I'll be up there the whole week as I
> am from the immediate area and want to visit some friends and family.
> Tim, you up to putting together a list again like you did for Sun n Fun?
>
>
>
> Michael
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh bound |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Just for consistency sake, the username will instead be
"rv10list" for the OSH builder thing....sorry about that.
That way it's the same as it was for snf.
The password is different, so email me....it was based
on "snf" before, so I went more generic this time so I
can use this username/password combo elsewhere on the site
if needed.
Tim
bob.kaufmann wrote:
> Bob
>
>
>
> Ill be there camping in a 5
th wheel by the sea plane area. Bob K
>
> Cell is the same as in Vegas 707-767-3587
>
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Condrey,
> Bob (US SSA)
> *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2005 12:03 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Oshkosh bound
>
>
>
> Tim,
>
>
>
> Maybe just change the Sun-N-Fun spreadsheet to reflect Oshkosh? Last
> year several of us met immediately following Vans RV-10 forum just
> outside the pavilion as a starting point, how bout that?
>
>
>
> What about adding a column on the spreadsheet to also indicate who all
> is attending Vans banquet?
>
>
>
> FWIW, Ill be attending the entire week. We were initially planning to
> bring our trailer and camping but have changed and are now renting a
> house. Plan is to drive up Sat 7/22 and depart Sun 7/30 AM.
>
>
>
> Bob #40105
>
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2005 1:33 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Oshkosh bound
>
>
>
> Ok, so we are just over 2 weeks away and I thought I would see if anyone
> is planning anything for Oshkosh. I'll be up there the whole week as I
> am from the immediate area and want to visit some friends and family.
> Tim, you up to putting together a list again like you did for Sun n Fun?
>
>
>
> Michael
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh bound |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Thanks! All other info for me is the same as before. Password?
Bob
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oshkosh bound
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Absolutely...that's what i just did....at least the format of it.
If you were on the SNF list before, just tell me to use your
same info. I'll cut and paste it into the new one.
I almost forgot to add that plug about the RV-10 forum. If they
have one at OSH, plan to be at it and meet afterwards. Unfortunately
though, there's usually only one, and some people aren't there that
day, so a daily meet would be good too.
I'll add a column about the banquet. I'm not planning to go, myself,
although I'm sure it will be fun.
I put you on the list, Bob.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> Tim,
>
>
>
> Maybe just change the Sun-N-Fun spreadsheet to reflect Oshkosh? Last
> year several of us met immediately following Van's RV-10 forum just
> outside the pavilion - as a starting point, how 'bout that?
>
>
>
> What about adding a column on the spreadsheet to also indicate who all
> is attending Van's banquet?
>
>
>
> FWIW, I'll be attending the entire week. We were initially planning to
> bring our trailer and camping but have changed and are now renting a
> house. Plan is to drive up Sat 7/22 and depart Sun 7/30 AM.
>
>
>
> Bob #40105
>
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2005 1:33 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Oshkosh bound
>
>
>
> Ok, so we are just over 2 weeks away and I thought I would see if anyone
> is planning anything for Oshkosh. I'll be up there the whole week as I
> am from the immediate area and want to visit some friends and family.
> Tim, you up to putting together a list again like you did for Sun n Fun?
>
>
>
> Michael
>
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| Subject: | fuel tank leak test |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Thanks for your replies! I posted this earlier today but it hasn't shown up
on the e-mail so I'll try again. Thought I had a problem with a tank leak
but turns out I jumped the gun a bit. Late last night and frustrated I had
been searching for a leak. Using a water manometer as suggested by Van's (
just a loop of clear hose with a 2' 3" diference between the meniscii ) to
establish 1 PSI in the tank, I pumped the tank up with a bicycle pump. Over
a period of about 45 minutes the level of the water would drop about 1". So
I'd pump it up again and douse the thing with soapy water. Couldn't find a
leak to save my life so I went to bed fully expecting that in the morning
the pressure would have bled off. To my surprise ( and relief ) , the
pressure had stabilized and remained constant for the next 24 hours. Guess
I don't have a leak afterall! Trying to figure out the initial pressure
drop and an engineer friend of mine suggested that what I might have seen
was the temperature change ( decrease ) of the compressed air as the tank
cooled it. Moral of the story is to let things stabilize.
John Hasbrouck
#40264
One tank done!
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank leak test |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
And you thought you built a fuel tank huh??? With the manometer attached you really
built a barometer!!!
I had the same concerns...glad we all seem to have the same paths of construction...
Now If someone can tell me how far down the ailerons deflect at full throw I'll
be even happier!!
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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| Subject: | I really really want to build an airplane..... |
Ohhh boy.... I thought I had the sickness bad before. I went to the EAA
airshow up in Arlington, WA yesterday. After seeing the Vans line of
experimental aircraft, my wife is totally on-board with the idea of building
our own aircraft. It is a certainty that this will happen, probably in a
couple of years. A few things in our lives need to be finished first before
we can take on a project like this.
Premature RV-Grin http://aspzone.com/photos/john/picture1244.aspx
Rivet bucking help? http://aspzone.com/photos/john/picture1245.aspx
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