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1. 08:43 AM - Re: Riveting canopy to side skins (Tim Olson)
2. 11:11 AM - N610RV News? (Sean Stephens)
3. 11:43 AM - Re: RV-List: lubricating rod end bearingsQC (JOHN STARN)
4. 12:05 PM - Re: N610RV News? (Randy DeBauw)
5. 12:10 PM - Re: Riveting canopy to side skins (Randy DeBauw)
6. 12:23 PM - Re: N610RV News? (Sean Stephens)
7. 12:37 PM - Re: N610RV News? (John Jessen)
8. 01:02 PM - Re: N610RV News? (Dan Checkoway)
9. 01:24 PM - Re: N610RV News? (Tim Olson)
10. 01:33 PM - N610RV Fuel Burn? (RobHickman@aol.com)
11. 01:38 PM - Re: N610RV News? (Randy DeBauw)
12. 01:39 PM - Re: N610RV News? (Randy DeBauw)
13. 01:48 PM - Re: N610RV News? (Randy DeBauw)
14. 01:52 PM - OSH (Gary Specketer)
15. 02:02 PM - Re: N610RV News? (Randy DeBauw)
16. 02:09 PM - Re: N610RV Fuel Burn? (Randy DeBauw)
17. 02:10 PM - Re: N610RV News? (John Jessen)
18. 02:13 PM - Re: N610RV News? (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
19. 02:55 PM - Re: N610RV News? (John Jessen)
20. 04:03 PM - Re: N610RV News? (Brian Sponcil)
21. 04:10 PM - Re: N610RV News? (Dan Checkoway)
22. 04:43 PM - RV-10 for sale (John Hasbrouck)
23. 05:45 PM - Re: N610RV News? (JOHN STARN)
24. 05:59 PM - Re: RV-10 for sale (linn walters)
25. 07:07 PM - Re: N610RV News? (Tim Olson)
26. 07:12 PM - Re: RV-10 for sale (John Hasbrouck)
27. 07:13 PM - Re: OSH (Tim Olson)
28. 08:01 PM - Lycoming Engine Mount Ears for Swap (Mike Kraus)
29. 10:25 PM - Re: [SoCAL-RVlist] Re: Arlington Fly-In 2005 awards.... (JOHN STARN)
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting canopy to side skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I did get a note from Ken Scott at Van's regarding the solid
rivets....
"IF the driven rivets are set and there's no apparent damage to the
fiberglass, there's no reason to replace them."
So, from the sounds of it, their main worry would be during
installation. I don't see any cracking. I used -6 rivets,
and didn't overdrive them. I tried to drive them normally,
or on the light side, and not distort the aluminum backing
strip. So hopefully that would have minimized any complications.
I'm not sure what I'll do with the rearward ones, rearward of
the rear seatbacks. I may use CS4-4's on those, or I may just
use the same AN426AD4-6's....still on the edge. The 426's
sure would look nicer than that ugly pulled head, and then
I wouldn't have stem holes to fill.
Anh also knows a guy who had another great idea....use some
proseal along that joint. They have you do it on the canopy
top, but not the bottom. Seems that it would make sense there
as well. I know proseal sucks, but leaks would REALLY suck.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
DejaVu wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
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> A friend in Canada used solid rivets in these areas. I don't know about
> structural integrity but it is quite nice. Take it for what it is worth.
> Anh
> #141
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: "RV10" <RV10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 11:47 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Riveting canopy to side skins
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>>I had some ok progress this weekend and ended up beginning the
>>permanent install of the cabin cover. The plans called for
>>CS4-4 "Typ" (Typical) for the rivets holding the top to
>>the side skins. I couldn't think of any reason you wouldn't
>>be able to use AN426AD4-6 rivets instead, other than possibly
>>worrying about cracking your fiberglass.
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>>Did anyone else substitute the CS4-4's? What's your thinking?
>>I did end up using the AN426AD4-6's right below the windows
>>in the rear seats, but stopped after that. If there's any
>>structural problem, I figured I had better allow to at
>>least put CS4-4's on the back half of the canopy if necessary,
>>since just having those in that location should prevent
>>anything major.
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>>But, it ain't too late to drill them and pop them either.
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>>Tim
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the
flyoff? Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast!
I just need a little "builder boost". :)
-Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: lubricating rod end bearingsQC |
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
This thread begs the question. What then do we use to mark rivets lines,
rivet & nut plate locations, cut off points if not a pencil ?
OH......that's right the newbies have all those pre-punched holes to guide
them but there still must be a few things that must be measured and
"marked". 8*) Cleaveland Aircraft Tool's sell and includes "Sharpie" fine
point permanent markers in their RV packages. This sounds a lot like a good
ole "urban legend". KABONG HRII N561FS (GBA & GWB)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-List: lubricating rod end bearingsQC
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
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> On 8:58:22 2005-07-12 linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>> Glen, you're right. I recall an incident where a QC person used a
>> pencil to circle a small dent on a Cessna. Years later the 'circle'
>> fell out when bumped. Thanks for the reminder!!!
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> Well, it *did* get rid of the dent... :P
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> Do Not Archive
> -Rob
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time for
another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and hopefully
installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon.
I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true
numbers but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a long
trip like that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at you can
get about 10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts.
I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it
with 4. It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people.
Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold
some back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on all
landings seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires look
great. Almost no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says how
quiet it is. I have the single mufflers system. Even people standing
next to it when I had the prop balanced said it was quite and that was
running at 2300 RPM for 10 seconds or so. The prop balance was a big
help. I could feel it in the rudder peddles before. Can't wait to get to
Osh. With it but I have a lot of work to still do in 1 weekend and a few
weeknights. After Osh. It will be almost done and I can get back to that
lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the flyoff?
Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast!
I just need a little "builder boost". :)
-Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps
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| Subject: | Riveting canopy to side skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
The bottom gets covered completely with epoxy to blend it in to the
sides. It can leak. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Riveting canopy to side skins
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I did get a note from Ken Scott at Van's regarding the solid rivets....
"IF the driven rivets are set and there's no apparent damage to the
fiberglass, there's no reason to replace them."
So, from the sounds of it, their main worry would be during
installation. I don't see any cracking. I used -6 rivets, and didn't
overdrive them. I tried to drive them normally, or on the light side,
and not distort the aluminum backing strip. So hopefully that would
have minimized any complications.
I'm not sure what I'll do with the rearward ones, rearward of the rear
seatbacks. I may use CS4-4's on those, or I may just use the same
AN426AD4-6's....still on the edge. The 426's sure would look nicer than
that ugly pulled head, and then I wouldn't have stem holes to fill.
Anh also knows a guy who had another great idea....use some proseal
along that joint. They have you do it on the canopy top, but not the
bottom. Seems that it would make sense there as well. I know proseal
sucks, but leaks would REALLY suck.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
DejaVu wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
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> A friend in Canada used solid rivets in these areas. I don't know
> about structural integrity but it is quite nice. Take it for what it
is worth.
> Anh
> #141
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: "RV10" <RV10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 11:47 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Riveting canopy to side skins
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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>>I had some ok progress this weekend and ended up beginning the
>>permanent install of the cabin cover. The plans called for
>>CS4-4 "Typ" (Typical) for the rivets holding the top to
>>the side skins. I couldn't think of any reason you wouldn't
>>be able to use AN426AD4-6 rivets instead, other than possibly worrying
>>about cracking your fiberglass.
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>>Did anyone else substitute the CS4-4's? What's your thinking?
>>I did end up using the AN426AD4-6's right below the windows in the
>>rear seats, but stopped after that. If there's any structural
>>problem, I figured I had better allow to at least put CS4-4's on the
>>back half of the canopy if necessary, since just having those in that
>>location should prevent anything major.
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>>But, it ain't too late to drill them and pop them either.
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>>Tim
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| Subject: | Re: N610RV News? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Thanks Randy, wish I could go to OSH this year. :( Looking forward to
your numbers after the long x-country.
-Sean
do not archive
Randy DeBauw wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
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> Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time for
> another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and hopefully
> installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon.
>
> I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true
> numbers but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a long
> trip like that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at you can
> get about 10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts.
> I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it
> with 4. It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people.
> Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold
> some back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on all
> landings seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires look
> great. Almost no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says how
> quiet it is. I have the single mufflers system. Even people standing
> next to it when I had the prop balanced said it was quite and that was
> running at 2300 RPM for 10 seconds or so. The prop balance was a big
> help. I could feel it in the rudder peddles before. Can't wait to get to
> Osh. With it but I have a lot of work to still do in 1 weekend and a few
> weeknights. After Osh. It will be almost done and I can get back to that
> lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:10 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News?
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the flyoff?
> Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast!
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> I just need a little "builder boost". :)
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> -Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I used
to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better.
John Jessen
(riveting the VS and rudder)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time for
another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and hopefully
installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon.
I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true numbers
but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a long trip like
that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at you can get about
10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts.
I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it with 4.
It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people.
Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold some
back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on all landings
seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires look great. Almost
no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says how quiet it is. I have
the single mufflers system. Even people standing next to it when I had the
prop balanced said it was quite and that was running at 2300 RPM for 10
seconds or so. The prop balance was a big help. I could feel it in the
rudder peddles before. Can't wait to get to Osh. With it but I have a lot of
work to still do in 1 weekend and a few weeknights. After Osh. It will be
almost done and I can get back to that
lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the flyoff?
Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast!
I just need a little "builder boost". :)
-Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps
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| Subject: | Re: N610RV News? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Before anybody jumps to any conclusions, let's quantify all of this. Randy,
you mentioned "10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts." Can you be more specific?
Indicated airspeed, altitude, OAT, altimeter setting for starters, and then
whether "125 kts" means indicated or groundspeed, and how you arrived at
that -- i.e. a 4-way GPS average, 3-way vector, etc.
Also would be curious how you leaned it, i.e. "X degrees rich of cylinder
#N's peak EGT" or something like that.
Precision!
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (which burns ~4gph at 120KTAS 40*LOP 8000'DA)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
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> That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I used
> to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better.
>
> John Jessen
> (riveting the VS and rudder)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:04 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
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> Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time for
> another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and hopefully
> installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon.
>
> I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true numbers
> but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a long trip like
> that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at you can get about
> 10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts.
> I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it with
4.
> It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people.
> Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold some
> back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on all
landings
> seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires look great.
Almost
> no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says how quiet it is. I
have
> the single mufflers system. Even people standing next to it when I had the
> prop balanced said it was quite and that was running at 2300 RPM for 10
> seconds or so. The prop balance was a big help. I could feel it in the
> rudder peddles before. Can't wait to get to Osh. With it but I have a lot
of
> work to still do in 1 weekend and a few weeknights. After Osh. It will be
> almost done and I can get back to that
> lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:10 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News?
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the flyoff?
> Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast!
>
> I just need a little "builder boost". :)
>
> -Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps
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| Subject: | Re: N610RV News? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Keep it in perspective though......my Sundowner does 9-9.5 @
110-112 Kts. Who really cares what the fuel flow is when
you pull it way back that far. Fuel flow is directly related
to speed...and speed is distance and time.
For instance, would you rather rent a plane for $50/hr
that goes 100kts, or one that goes 150Kts for $75/hr
if you were going on a 1000Nm trip?
Do the math and sure, the fuel burn may be much higher
on the $75/hr plane, but the cost of the flight will
be identical, and you'll get there over 3 hours quicker.
Sure, you can get some slight economies by pulling the power
back...Van's charts show the range increase as you
reduce to lower % of power, but, is it really that big
of a difference in the big scheme of things? I myself
would rather get there before the kids get whiny, and
pay the extra couple bucks.
As for Randy's performance numbers, I'm not at all
concerned what the fuel flow is at 125kts. I'd
be much more interested to know what it flows
at 165, 175, and 185Kts.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
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> That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I used
> to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better.
>
> John Jessen
> (riveting the VS and rudder)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:04 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>
> Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time for
> another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and hopefully
> installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon.
>
> I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true numbers
> but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a long trip like
> that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at you can get about
> 10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts.
> I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it with 4.
> It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people.
> Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold some
> back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on all landings
> seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires look great. Almost
> no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says how quiet it is. I have
> the single mufflers system. Even people standing next to it when I had the
> prop balanced said it was quite and that was running at 2300 RPM for 10
> seconds or so. The prop balance was a big help. I could feel it in the
> rudder peddles before. Can't wait to get to Osh. With it but I have a lot of
> work to still do in 1 weekend and a few weeknights. After Osh. It will be
> almost done and I can get back to that
> lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:10 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News?
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the flyoff?
> Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast!
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> I just need a little "builder boost". :)
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| Subject: | N610RV Fuel Burn? |
Randy,
Are you still going with us Friday morning to OSH?
This trip will make a great comparison for fuel burn and speed as we have 4
RV's going.
1. RV-4 IO-360 180HP, Fuel Injected Hartzell Prop, Mags.
2. RV-4 IO-320 170HP, Fuel Injected MT Prop, 1 Lighspeed 1 Mag.
3. RV-4 O-320 160HP, Carb, Hartzell Prop, Mags
4. RV-10 IO-540 260HP
5. V-35B Bonanza with GAMI Injectors (Very Aggressive Lean Of Peak
Operator??)
First Stop Helena, MT - home of $2.79 gas.
Of course Randy will have all the baggage :)
Rob Hickman
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Yea but what would you do at 10.5?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I
used to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better.
John Jessen
(riveting the VS and rudder)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time for
another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and hopefully
installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon.
I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true
numbers but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a long
trip like that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at you can
get about
10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts.
I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it
with 4.
It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people.
Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold
some back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on all
landings seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires look
great. Almost no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says how
quiet it is. I have the single mufflers system. Even people standing
next to it when I had the prop balanced said it was quite and that was
running at 2300 RPM for 10 seconds or so. The prop balance was a big
help. I could feel it in the rudder peddles before. Can't wait to get to
Osh. With it but I have a lot of work to still do in 1 weekend and a few
weeknights. After Osh. It will be almost done and I can get back to that
lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the flyoff?
Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast!
I just need a little "builder boost". :)
-Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Kts or mph
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I
used to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better.
John Jessen
(riveting the VS and rudder)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time for
another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and hopefully
installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon.
I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true
numbers but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a long
trip like that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at you can
get about
10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts.
I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it
with 4.
It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people.
Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold
some back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on all
landings seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires look
great. Almost no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says how
quiet it is. I have the single mufflers system. Even people standing
next to it when I had the prop balanced said it was quite and that was
running at 2300 RPM for 10 seconds or so. The prop balance was a big
help. I could feel it in the rudder peddles before. Can't wait to get to
Osh. With it but I have a lot of work to still do in 1 weekend and a few
weeknights. After Osh. It will be almost done and I can get back to that
lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the flyoff?
Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast!
I just need a little "builder boost". :)
-Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
I would love to give everyone some hard numbers but my flying to date
mainly has been without wheel pants and would not be useful. I am about
1 week a way from doing some decent testing. I leave for osh in 1 week
and 2 days. Come and see me there and I will have some good numbers. I
think one question is what is everyone expecting for fuel burn. I can
tell you my best guess is that if you get Van's numbers at 8000ft. you
will be burning 15.5 gph. Or maybe 16.5. We will see.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Before anybody jumps to any conclusions, let's quantify all of this.
Randy, you mentioned "10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts." Can you be more
specific?
Indicated airspeed, altitude, OAT, altimeter setting for starters, and
then whether "125 kts" means indicated or groundspeed, and how you
arrived at that -- i.e. a 4-way GPS average, 3-way vector, etc.
Also would be curious how you leaned it, i.e. "X degrees rich of
cylinder #N's peak EGT" or something like that.
Precision!
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (which burns ~4gph at 120KTAS 40*LOP 8000'DA)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I
used
> to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better.
>
> John Jessen
> (riveting the VS and rudder)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
DeBauw
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:04 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>
> Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time
for
> another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and hopefully
> installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon.
>
> I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true
numbers
> but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a long trip
like
> that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at you can get
about
> 10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts.
> I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it
with
4.
> It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people.
> Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold
some
> back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on all
landings
> seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires look great.
Almost
> no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says how quiet it is. I
have
> the single mufflers system. Even people standing next to it when I had
the
> prop balanced said it was quite and that was running at 2300 RPM for
10
> seconds or so. The prop balance was a big help. I could feel it in the
> rudder peddles before. Can't wait to get to Osh. With it but I have a
lot
of
> work to still do in 1 weekend and a few weeknights. After Osh. It will
be
> almost done and I can get back to that
> lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean
Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:10 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News?
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the
flyoff?
> Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast!
>
> I just need a little "builder boost". :)
>
> -Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps
>
>
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I have been out of town and have missed some posts. What did the group
deside about meeting early and where?
Gary
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Wow, did I open a can of worms? My fuel burn number at 125 kts is a very
rough recollection. I see flew back from central Oregon in very bumpy
conditions two weeks ago. I would not use the numbers for any thing but
mindless chatter. It did show me that if I wanted to fly with 4 people
full fuel and stay with my friend in his 172 I am guessing 9.5 gph or
maybe 9.0. That is about that same as his 4cyl. My friend and I were
talking the other day about a trip we are going to take in 3 weeks or
so. He will have his 172. Just some conversation. It looks like that if
you wanted to you could get the same fuel burn as the 172 with true 4
place and baggage ability. Crank it up get there soon. Your choice.
This reminds me of a magazine article I read a few years back about a
guy who owned an FBO. When ever he had to fly somewhere he almost always
flew his Super cub. When asked by his employees why he didn't take one
of the fast twin or fast retractable singles he ask them "What you guys
don't like to fly." His point was flying fun. If you only want to go
fast and land soon that is fine but it cuts down on the fun flying time.
Just rambling. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Keep it in perspective though......my Sundowner does 9-9.5 @
110-112 Kts. Who really cares what the fuel flow is when
you pull it way back that far. Fuel flow is directly related to
speed...and speed is distance and time.
For instance, would you rather rent a plane for $50/hr that goes 100kts,
or one that goes 150Kts for $75/hr if you were going on a 1000Nm trip?
Do the math and sure, the fuel burn may be much higher on the $75/hr
plane, but the cost of the flight will be identical, and you'll get
there over 3 hours quicker.
Sure, you can get some slight economies by pulling the power
back...Van's charts show the range increase as you reduce to lower % of
power, but, is it really that big of a difference in the big scheme of
things? I myself would rather get there before the kids get whiny, and
pay the extra couple bucks.
As for Randy's performance numbers, I'm not at all concerned what the
fuel flow is at 125kts. I'd be much more interested to know what it
flows at 165, 175, and 185Kts.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I
> used to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better.
>
> John Jessen
> (riveting the VS and rudder)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> DeBauw
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:04 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>
> Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time
> for another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and
> hopefully installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon.
>
> I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true
> numbers but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a
> long trip like that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at
> you can get about
> 10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts.
> I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it
with 4.
> It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people.
> Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold
> some back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on
> all landings seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires
> look great. Almost no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says
> how quiet it is. I have the single mufflers system. Even people
> standing next to it when I had the prop balanced said it was quite and
> that was running at 2300 RPM for 10 seconds or so. The prop balance
> was a big help. I could feel it in the rudder peddles before. Can't
> wait to get to Osh. With it but I have a lot of work to still do in 1
> weekend and a few weeknights. After Osh. It will be almost done and I
can get back to that
> lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean
> Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:10 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News?
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the
flyoff?
> Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast!
>
> I just need a little "builder boost". :)
>
> -Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps
>
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Yes we are buddy. My wife and I are very excited to be with the group
of experienced distance cruisers.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RobHickman@aol.com
Subject: RV10-List: N610RV Fuel Burn?
Randy,
Are you still going with us Friday morning to OSH?
This trip will make a great comparison for fuel burn and speed as we
have 4 RV's going.
1. RV-4 IO-360 180HP, Fuel Injected Hartzell Prop, Mags.
2. RV-4 IO-320 170HP, Fuel Injected MT Prop, 1 Lighspeed 1 Mag.
3. RV-4 O-320 160HP, Carb, Hartzell Prop, Mags
4. RV-10 IO-540 260HP
5. V-35B Bonanza with GAMI Injectors (Very Aggressive Lean Of Peak
Operator??)
First Stop Helena, MT - home of $2.79 gas.
Of course Randy will have all the baggage :)
Rob Hickman
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Randy, I'm not knocking your performance. The numbers just took me by
surprise, and only because of the 182 performance (in kts, always in kts).
That's all I have with that type of engine to reference it by. Of course
burning 15-16 gph in the 182 would net me 140 max. There's no comparison at
the top end.
Dan is correct. I'll wait until you and others have a full set of numbers
at speed at altitude, etc. My apologies for jumping the gun.
Those countersinks came in, btw, in case you need them.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Yea but what would you do at 10.5?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I used
to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better.
John Jessen
(riveting the VS and rudder)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time for
another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and hopefully
installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon.
I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true numbers
but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a long trip like
that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at you can get about
10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts.
I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it with 4.
It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people.
Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold some
back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on all landings
seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires look great. Almost
no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says how quiet it is. I have
the single mufflers system. Even people standing next to it when I had the
prop balanced said it was quite and that was running at 2300 RPM for 10
seconds or so. The prop balance was a big help. I could feel it in the
rudder peddles before. Can't wait to get to Osh. With it but I have a lot of
work to still do in 1 weekend and a few weeknights. After Osh. It will be
almost done and I can get back to that
lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the flyoff?
Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast!
I just need a little "builder boost". :)
-Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Well you will go with me this weekend for a little testing. I will be
at the hanger tonight. For the C/S if you will be around.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Randy, I'm not knocking your performance. The numbers just took me by
surprise, and only because of the 182 performance (in kts, always in
kts).
That's all I have with that type of engine to reference it by. Of
course burning 15-16 gph in the 182 would net me 140 max. There's no
comparison at the top end.
Dan is correct. I'll wait until you and others have a full set of
numbers at speed at altitude, etc. My apologies for jumping the gun.
Those countersinks came in, btw, in case you need them.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Yea but what would you do at 10.5?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I
used to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better.
John Jessen
(riveting the VS and rudder)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time for
another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and hopefully
installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon.
I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true
numbers but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a long
trip like that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at you can
get about
10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts.
I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it
with 4.
It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people.
Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold
some back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on all
landings seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires look
great. Almost no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says how
quiet it is. I have the single mufflers system. Even people standing
next to it when I had the prop balanced said it was quite and that was
running at 2300 RPM for 10 seconds or so. The prop balance was a big
help. I could feel it in the rudder peddles before. Can't wait to get to
Osh. With it but I have a lot of work to still do in 1 weekend and a few
weeknights. After Osh. It will be almost done and I can get back to that
lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the flyoff?
Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast!
I just need a little "builder boost". :)
-Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Be there around 7pm
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Well you will go with me this weekend for a little testing. I will be at
the hanger tonight. For the C/S if you will be around.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Randy, I'm not knocking your performance. The numbers just took me by
surprise, and only because of the 182 performance (in kts, always in kts).
That's all I have with that type of engine to reference it by. Of course
burning 15-16 gph in the 182 would net me 140 max. There's no comparison at
the top end.
Dan is correct. I'll wait until you and others have a full set of numbers
at speed at altitude, etc. My apologies for jumping the gun.
Those countersinks came in, btw, in case you need them.
John
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Yea but what would you do at 10.5?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I used
to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better.
John Jessen
(riveting the VS and rudder)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time for
another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and hopefully
installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon.
I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true numbers
but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a long trip like
that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at you can get about
10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts.
I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it with 4.
It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people.
Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold some
back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on all landings
seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires look great. Almost
no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says how quiet it is. I have
the single mufflers system. Even people standing next to it when I had the
prop balanced said it was quite and that was running at 2300 RPM for 10
seconds or so. The prop balance was a big help. I could feel it in the
rudder peddles before. Can't wait to get to Osh. With it but I have a lot of
work to still do in 1 weekend and a few weeknights. After Osh. It will be
almost done and I can get back to that
lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the flyoff?
Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast!
I just need a little "builder boost". :)
-Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Sponcil" <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
Yeah it seems kind of low on both counts. My friend's PA-28-235 running at
23 squared and leaned burns nearly 14 GPH so 10.5 GPH seems like it'd have
to be WAY down the power chart. But then perhaps the injected 540 is WAY
more efficient than the carburated B3B4. Anyone got the performance/power
chart for an IO-540?
-Brian
Iowa City, IA
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I used
> to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better.
>
> John Jessen
> (riveting the VS and rudder)
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| Subject: | Re: N610RV News? |
Randy (and others),
I'm attaching a spreadsheet that an RV friend of mine gave me. It
correlates OATs and altitudes to specific density altitudes (8k, 10k, and
12k).
If you're trying to fly at 8000' DA, then this spreadsheet is handy in the
cockpit for determining the best altitude to fly to achieve that based on
temperature. It's not 100% scientific, but it's close enough for our
purposes.
Hope this helps, and I look forward to seeing some test results.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (558 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>
> Wow, did I open a can of worms? My fuel burn number at 125 kts is a very
> rough recollection. I see flew back from central Oregon in very bumpy
> conditions two weeks ago. I would not use the numbers for any thing but
> mindless chatter. It did show me that if I wanted to fly with 4 people
> full fuel and stay with my friend in his 172 I am guessing 9.5 gph or
> maybe 9.0. That is about that same as his 4cyl. My friend and I were
> talking the other day about a trip we are going to take in 3 weeks or
> so. He will have his 172. Just some conversation. It looks like that if
> you wanted to you could get the same fuel burn as the 172 with true 4
> place and baggage ability. Crank it up get there soon. Your choice.
> This reminds me of a magazine article I read a few years back about a
> guy who owned an FBO. When ever he had to fly somewhere he almost always
> flew his Super cub. When asked by his employees why he didn't take one
> of the fast twin or fast retractable singles he ask them "What you guys
> don't like to fly." His point was flying fun. If you only want to go
> fast and land soon that is fine but it cuts down on the fun flying time.
> Just rambling. Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 1:24 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: N610RV News?
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Keep it in perspective though......my Sundowner does 9-9.5 @
> 110-112 Kts. Who really cares what the fuel flow is when
> you pull it way back that far. Fuel flow is directly related to
> speed...and speed is distance and time.
>
> For instance, would you rather rent a plane for $50/hr that goes 100kts,
> or one that goes 150Kts for $75/hr if you were going on a 1000Nm trip?
>
> Do the math and sure, the fuel burn may be much higher on the $75/hr
> plane, but the cost of the flight will be identical, and you'll get
> there over 3 hours quicker.
>
> Sure, you can get some slight economies by pulling the power
> back...Van's charts show the range increase as you reduce to lower % of
> power, but, is it really that big of a difference in the big scheme of
> things? I myself would rather get there before the kids get whiny, and
> pay the extra couple bucks.
>
> As for Randy's performance numbers, I'm not at all concerned what the
> fuel flow is at 125kts. I'd be much more interested to know what it
> flows at 165, 175, and 185Kts.
>
> Tim
>
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
> John Jessen wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
> >
> > That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I
> > used to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better.
> >
> > John Jessen
> > (riveting the VS and rudder)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> > DeBauw
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:04 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
> >
> > Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time
> > for another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and
> > hopefully installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon.
> >
> > I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true
> > numbers but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a
> > long trip like that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at
> > you can get about
> > 10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts.
> > I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it
> with 4.
> > It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people.
> > Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold
> > some back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on
> > all landings seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires
>
> > look great. Almost no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says
> > how quiet it is. I have the single mufflers system. Even people
> > standing next to it when I had the prop balanced said it was quite and
>
> > that was running at 2300 RPM for 10 seconds or so. The prop balance
> > was a big help. I could feel it in the rudder peddles before. Can't
> > wait to get to Osh. With it but I have a lot of work to still do in 1
> > weekend and a few weeknights. After Osh. It will be almost done and I
> can get back to that
> > lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean
> > Stephens
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:10 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News?
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
> >
> > Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the
> flyoff?
> > Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast!
> >
> > I just need a little "builder boost". :)
> >
> > -Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Just before Sun n Fun there was a -10 advertised for sale, finished in the
$200K price range. Anyone know if it sold and for what $? Just curious.
John Hasbrouck
One tank down, one to go!
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| Subject: | Re: N610RV News? |
<004b01c58735$e5321bd0$182fff80@uiowa.edu>
--> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
PSSSST.........HRII N561FS does an easy ( less the 8,000' ) 142 Kts at 10.5
GPH with IO-540 and ya'll autta see what it'll do at 23 GHP. (We use that
flow only in the vertical mode) 8*) KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Sponcil" <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: N610RV News?
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Sponcil" <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
>
>
> Yeah it seems kind of low on both counts. My friend's PA-28-235 running at
> 23 squared and leaned burns nearly 14 GPH so 10.5 GPH seems like it'd have
> to be WAY down the power chart. But then perhaps the injected 540 is WAY
> more efficient than the carburated B3B4. Anyone got the performance/power
> chart for an IO-540?
>
> -Brian
>
> Iowa City, IA
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>>
>> That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I
>> used
>> to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better.
>>
>> John Jessen
>> (riveting the VS and rudder)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 for sale |
--> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
John Hasbrouck wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>
>Just before Sun n Fun there was a -10 advertised for sale, finished in the
>$200K price range. Anyone know if it sold and for what $? Just curious.
>
Uh, I think that was spec .... they'll build you one for $200K. I could
be wrong though.
Linn do not archive
>
>John Hasbrouck
>One tank down, one to go!
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
At your service, Brian....courtesy of Randy himself, on my tips
page:
http://www.myrv10.com/files/engines/IO540/power_chart.jpg
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Brian Sponcil wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Sponcil" <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
>
>
> Yeah it seems kind of low on both counts. My friend's PA-28-235 running
> at 23 squared and leaned burns nearly 14 GPH so 10.5 GPH seems like it'd
> have to be WAY down the power chart. But then perhaps the injected 540
> is WAY more efficient than the carburated B3B4. Anyone got the
> performance/power chart for an IO-540?
>
> -Brian
>
> Iowa City, IA
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:37 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News?
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>>
>> That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I
>> used
>> to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better.
>>
>> John Jessen
>> (riveting the VS and rudder)
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 for sale |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Linn,
You're right, is was a spec but I wondered if anyone took the bait.
Randy and I talked about it at SnF thinking the price was steep. But then
again, Cessna wants $250K for a glassed up 172. Van was interested in the
result as I recall. Nice to know what the rest of the market (
non-builders ) thinks of the -10.
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sorry Gary, but I don't know if there's a real big consensus yet.
The general feeling I get is that Thursday night would probably
be the largest atteendance night if we have a gathering.
It also sounds like there should be a fair turnout at the daily
10:30am meet-up at Van's booth. I do encourage y'all to take
a quick jaunt and meet up daily at 10:30. At least from that
point if there's something spur-of-the-moment being planned,
everyone can hear it and spread the word. Many things tend to
happen once a group meets eachother a bit. I don't have the
resouces or schedule to be able to get a lid on planning a
gathering other than the 10:30am thing, but anyone else who does
is welcome to take the bull by the horns.
I'm planning to skip probably 2 weekdays or maybe 3 myself.
I don't think I'll show on Monday, and unless I stay overnight
Thursday it's questionable about Friday. But, I'm absolutely
going to be there Saturday, likely on Sunday, and try to for
sure be there Tuesday and Thursday. If Tuesday's weather is
crappy, I'll push until Wednesday. Wow, what a confusing
mouthful. Anyway, if I'm not there on a day or two, y'all
keep the stuff going for me. I just need to coordinate my
flying back and forth, and the kids schedule while I'm gone.
Tim
Gary Specketer wrote:
> I have been out of town and have missed some posts. What did the group
> deside about meeting early and where?
> Gary
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| Subject: | Lycoming Engine Mount Ears for Swap |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Kraus" <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
There is a guy on the Rocket list with a set of the small Lycoming
engine mounting ears he would like to trade for the large ones. If you
have a Lycoming with the Large diameter engine mounting ears, you will
need the small ones for an RV-10. Please contact him for more
information.
>>Hi Mike,
>>Yes, it would be great if you post my info on the RV10 website.
>>They can contact me at:
>>Peter van Schoonhoven
>>360-901-7611
>>email pvans@pacifier.com
>>My mounting ears are part number 70456.
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| Subject: | Re: [SoCAL-RVlist] Re: Arlington Fly-In 2005 awards.... |
"rocket-list" <rocket-list@matronics.com>,
"rv10-list" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
Was in Washington to help my son & his family move up there. Went to the EAA N/W
fly-in with "Awesome" (SoCal RV handle) and grandson on Thurs. Weather was great,
lots of RV's as expected. The blown engine on the E300, the hung right gear
on the AT-6 and the HIGH inverted spin "over" the crowd by the gal in the
Pitts all in the first three acts will be remembered. Allen Mecum, (long story
why not Starn) is looking for EAA Chapter in the Everett area. He'll be on-line
as soon as he gets all his stuff put away. Sorry I didn't connect with those
who went. If ya'll didn't see the airshow on Thurs you can't say "didn't miss
a thing" but if ya did, it was great. Oh, yea the Fish & Chips at the north
end of the vendors area was to die for. KABONG 8*) HRII N561FS Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: mark
To: SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:31 PM
Subject: [SoCAL-RVlist] Re: Arlington Fly-In 2005 awards....
you feel any better now about the "didn't miss a thing" fly-in? N/W EAA
regional award winner? :)
a.. Visit your group "SoCAL-RVlist" on the web.
b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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