RV10-List Digest Archive

Wed 07/13/05


Total Messages Posted: 40



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 01:51 AM - Prop for Sale (Jeff Point)
     2. 03:37 AM - Hartzell CS Prop For Sale (Russell Daves)
     3. 03:39 AM - IO-540 Camshaft For Sale (Russell Daves)
     4. 06:40 AM - Re: Oshkosh bound (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
     5. 07:32 AM - Oshkosh Question (stevenflys1@juno.com)
     6. 07:41 AM - Re: RV-10 for sale (John W. Cox)
     7. 07:45 AM - Re: Oshkosh Question (Randy DeBauw)
     8. 08:11 AM - Re: Oshkosh Question (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
     9. 08:41 AM - Re: Oshkosh Question (John Jessen)
    10. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: Oshkosh Question ()
    11. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: Oshkosh Question (Randy DeBauw)
    12. 10:00 AM - Re: RV-10 for sale (John Hasbrouck)
    13. 10:06 AM - speed ()
    14. 10:07 AM - Re: Oshkosh Question (John Hasbrouck)
    15. 10:23 AM - Re: Oshkosh Question (Tim Olson)
    16. 10:27 AM - Re: speed (Randy DeBauw)
    17. 10:27 AM - Re: speed (Rick)
    18. 10:31 AM - Re: speed (Tim Olson)
    19. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: speed ()
    20. 10:42 AM - Re: speed (Randy DeBauw)
    21. 11:02 AM - Rudder Pedal Cable Attach ()
    22. 11:13 AM - Re: speed (John Jessen)
    23. 11:19 AM - Re: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach (Conti, Rick)
    24. 11:54 AM - Re: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
    25. 12:16 PM - Re: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach (Randy DeBauw)
    26. 12:43 PM - Re: Oshkosh Question (Gary Specketer)
    27. 01:01 PM - Re: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
    28. 04:08 PM - Re: N610RV News? (Jesse Saint)
    29. 04:12 PM - Re: N610RV News? (Jesse Saint)
    30. 04:27 PM - Re: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach (Jesse Saint)
    31. 04:40 PM - Re: Oshkosh bound (jdalton77)
    32. 04:49 PM - Re: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach (Rick)
    33. 04:53 PM - Re: N610RV News? (Tim Olson)
    34. 05:44 PM - Re: Oshkosh Question (stevenflys1@juno.com)
    35. 06:44 PM - Re: Oshkosh Question (Tim Olson)
    36. 07:38 PM - Re: RV-10 for sale (John W. Cox)
    37. 07:46 PM - HS Brackets (Robert G. Wright)
    38. 08:30 PM - Re: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach (Jesse Saint)
    39. 08:34 PM - Re: RV-10 for sale (Jesse Saint)
    40. 10:17 PM - My Web Site is Finally Up  (larryrosen@comcast.net)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:51:48 AM PST US
    From: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Prop for Sale
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    Time: 03:37:09 AM PST US
    From: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
    Subject: Hartzell CS Prop For Sale
    My RV-10 buddy Terry Cole, (builder #40045) who passed away of a heart attack at age 52 has a Hartzell CS Prop HC-C2YK-1BF-F8474-D-4, Serial #CH11073, 80" length, that has had the blades rolled, hub disassembled, serviced, all AD's complied with, and new seals installed by certified prop shop in Lubbock, Texas, available for $3000.00. Picture of hubs before reassembly, and custom blades paint job done by prop shop is attached. The prop shop is Porterfield Propellers, owned and operated by Tom Porterfield, (806) 749-8000. If you have any other questions please feel free to contact me on my cell phone (806) 535-1019. Best regards, Russ Daves #40044 (Fuselage on main gear)


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    Time: 03:39:20 AM PST US
    From: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
    Subject: IO-540 Camshaft For Sale
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net> My RV-10 buddy Terry Cole, (builder #40045) who passed away of a heart attack at age 52 also has an IO-540 Camshaft, with the gears, for sale that has been overhauled and yellow tagged. Will sale for $400.00 or swap for an servicable camshaft for $200.00. If you have any other questions please feel free to contact me on my cell phone (806) 535-1019. Best regards, Russ Daves #40044 (Fuselage on main gear)


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    Time: 06:40:45 AM PST US
    From: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
    Subject: Oshkosh bound
    I will be there for most of the show mug shot included will have some with the RV-10 soon. Noel RV-10 40091 paint -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oshkosh bound Thursday would be a better night for me to get out for a dinner. Count me in. Mugshot is attached. I will have to be wearing a hat at the show (Reason should be obvious!). I will be wandering around the avionics and engine booths looking for stuff to put in the bird. Love to meet any and all. Looking for a cure for this "Disease". Don't think there is one. Oh Well! I will be over at Van's booth at the time suggested by Tim. Thanks, Tim for setting up the web page. Really useful! Can't wait! Jim Combs #40192 - Fuselage N312F Reserved Jim Combs


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    Time: 07:32:54 AM PST US
    From: "stevenflys1@juno.com" <stevenflys1@juno.com>
    Subject: Oshkosh Question
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "stevenflys1@juno.com" <stevenflys1@juno.com> I am planning on buying my RV-10 kit on or soon after October 31st (the day my divorce is settled). I plan to attend Oshkosh July 30th & 31st. I have been to Oshkosh twice before, but just to look, never to buy anything. Now that I am almost in a position to build I wanted some advice. Besides shopping and seeing things up close, what kind of deals can one typically find on tools, building material, etc. at Oshkosh? Does Vans offer any deals at the show? Another words, is it worth my time and money to buy things at Oshkosh or should I just order it all and have it shipped to South Carolina? Thanks for your input. Steven J Morris wanna-be builder


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    Time: 07:41:06 AM PST US
    Subject: RV-10 for sale
    From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> Could this have been the Trade A Plane post to which you refer? RV-10: IO-540 0 SMOH, Hartzell Blended Airfoil C/S, Chelton Sport EFIS GPS PFD & MFD/WX, Garmin SL30 NavCom, Garmin GTX330 S-Mode, Tru Trac IIVSVG autopilot, PS Engineering PMA 8000-SR audio panel with Sirius & cell phone, ICOM A-200 dual Com. Twelfth RV built by Paul Irlbeck A&P. Pick your colors. http://www.mnwing.org/ $287K. MN (651) 777-7349. It is about to get its DAR approval and led to a past conversation between Randy and myself about the value of N610RV. John - KUAO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 for sale --> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com> John Hasbrouck wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 reply-type=original > >Just before Sun n Fun there was a -10 advertised for sale, finished in the >$200K price range. Anyone know if it sold and for what $? Just curious. > Uh, I think that was spec .... they'll build you one for $200K. I could be wrong though. Linn do not archive > >John Hasbrouck >One tank down, one to go! > > > > > > > > > --


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    Time: 07:45:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Oshkosh Question
    From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> Van's never has deals. Feel free to order anytime and not loose out. You can save on avionics but don't' buy anything yet. Tools will be your big savings or at least you can checkout all of the vendors. I bought my Pnum. Squeezer at Oshkosh in 03. I sold it 195.00. The guy I bought it from says he gets 300.00 for the same thing now. There is so much to see that I spent 6 days there and still missed some. That is if you take in a dozen or so forums. The forums will be a big help. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of stevenflys1@juno.com Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh Question --> RV10-List message posted by: "stevenflys1@juno.com" --> <stevenflys1@juno.com> I am planning on buying my RV-10 kit on or soon after October 31st (the day my divorce is settled). I plan to attend Oshkosh July 30th & 31st. I have been to Oshkosh twice before, but just to look, never to buy anything. Now that I am almost in a position to build I wanted some advice. Besides shopping and seeing things up close, what kind of deals can one typically find on tools, building material, etc. at Oshkosh? Does Vans offer any deals at the show? Another words, is it worth my time and money to buy things at Oshkosh or should I just order it all and have it shipped to South Carolina? Thanks for your input. Steven J Morris wanna-be builder


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    Time: 08:11:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Oshkosh Question
    From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Van's doesn't offer any discount for ordering at OSH. I'm sure you could find deals on tools piecemeal, but (my opinion) you're probably just as well off calling Avery and/or Cleaveland and asking them if they'll have a show special and if so, if you can get it now. Then spend your time at OSH talking with other builders, sitting in the fuselage mock-up dreaming, attending forums, and drooling over cool avionics. BTW, I upgraded my compressor from a 26 gal, 5 HP vertical to a 60 gal, 7HP. The 26 gal is a model VT6315 (from Home Depot, made by Campbell Hausfeld) now collecting dust. It's not quite 2 years old and I'd make somebody a heck of a deal if they want it. I've also got a Ryobi 9" bandsaw that somebody can have for free it they want it:) I was never satisfied with it but it would certainly get somebody started! I'll be driving up and can bring either or both along - email me offline if interested. Bob #40105 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of stevenflys1@juno.com Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh Question --> RV10-List message posted by: "stevenflys1@juno.com" <stevenflys1@juno.com> I am planning on buying my RV-10 kit on or soon after October 31st (the day my divorce is settled). I plan to attend Oshkosh July 30th & 31st. I have been to Oshkosh twice before, but just to look, never to buy anything. Now that I am almost in a position to build I wanted some advice. Besides shopping and seeing things up close, what kind of deals can one typically find on tools, building material, etc. at Oshkosh? Does Vans offer any deals at the show? Another words, is it worth my time and money to buy things at Oshkosh or should I just order it all and have it shipped to South Carolina? Thanks for your input. Steven J Morris wanna-be builder


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    Time: 08:41:29 AM PST US
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    From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
    Subject: Oshkosh Question
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com> Avery is offering a 5% discount plus free shipping right now via the web site. Bob Avery told me that doing this helps everyone gain the show specials and saves them work at and after the show. John Jessen (riveting the heck out of anything I see) do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oshkosh Question --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" --> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Van's doesn't offer any discount for ordering at OSH. I'm sure you could find deals on tools piecemeal, but (my opinion) you're probably just as well off calling Avery and/or Cleaveland and asking them if they'll have a show special and if so, if you can get it now. Then spend your time at OSH talking with other builders, sitting in the fuselage mock-up dreaming, attending forums, and drooling over cool avionics. BTW, I upgraded my compressor from a 26 gal, 5 HP vertical to a 60 gal, 7HP. The 26 gal is a model VT6315 (from Home Depot, made by Campbell Hausfeld) now collecting dust. It's not quite 2 years old and I'd make somebody a heck of a deal if they want it. I've also got a Ryobi 9" bandsaw that somebody can have for free it they want it:) I was never satisfied with it but it would certainly get somebody started! I'll be driving up and can bring either or both along - email me offline if interested. Bob #40105 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of stevenflys1@juno.com Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh Question --> RV10-List message posted by: "stevenflys1@juno.com" <stevenflys1@juno.com> I am planning on buying my RV-10 kit on or soon after October 31st (the day my divorce is settled). I plan to attend Oshkosh July 30th & 31st. I have been to Oshkosh twice before, but just to look, never to buy anything. Now that I am almost in a position to build I wanted some advice. Besides shopping and seeing things up close, what kind of deals can one typically find on tools, building material, etc. at Oshkosh? Does Vans offer any deals at the show? Another words, is it worth my time and money to buy things at Oshkosh or should I just order it all and have it shipped to South Carolina? Thanks for your input. Steven J Morris wanna-be builder


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    Time: 09:29:00 AM PST US
    From: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Oshkosh Question
    --> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net> Hi,my name is Hugo,I 'm a new suscriber at this forum,since the RV10 is in the market I look to order one,Just sold my Socata Rallye 180,I have a few questions before order one ,but the mos important is ,yesterday somebody mention the best he can have is 10,5 GPH at 125 .the reason I will suffer for at least 5 years with not flying(I love building too) is because the advertise 175 mph at cruise.four adults and full fuel,its this something realistic or will be a myth.. Hugo > > From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> > Date: 2005/07/13 Wed AM 10:41:35 EDT > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oshkosh Question > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> > > Van's never has deals. Feel free to order anytime and not loose out. You > can save on avionics but don't' buy anything yet. Tools will be your big > savings or at least you can checkout all of the vendors. I bought my > Pnum. Squeezer at Oshkosh in 03. I sold it 195.00. The guy I bought it > from says he gets 300.00 for the same thing now. There is so much to see > that I spent 6 days there and still missed some. That is if you take in > a dozen or so forums. The forums will be a big help. Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > stevenflys1@juno.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:27 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh Question > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "stevenflys1@juno.com" > --> <stevenflys1@juno.com> > > > I am planning on buying my RV-10 kit on or soon after October 31st (the > day my divorce is settled). I plan to attend Oshkosh July 30th & 31st. > I have been to Oshkosh twice before, but just to look, never to buy > anything. Now that I am almost in a position to build I wanted some > advice. Besides shopping and seeing things up close, what kind of deals > can one typically find on tools, building material, etc. at Oshkosh? > Does Vans offer any deals at the show? Another words, is it worth my > time and money to buy things at Oshkosh or should I just order it all > and have it shipped to South Carolina? Thanks for your input. > Steven J Morris > wanna-be builder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:50:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Oshkosh Question
    From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> You didn't pickup on the fact that I was at a very low power setting. Something like 45%. If you push the black knob in you will cruse at high speed. I was making a statement that if you wanted to run low power you can get very reasonable fuel burn and still get 125 kts. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gommone7@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: RE: RV10-List: Oshkosh Question --> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net> Hi,my name is Hugo,I 'm a new suscriber at this forum,since the RV10 is in the market I look to order one,Just sold my Socata Rallye 180,I have a few questions before order one ,but the mos important is ,yesterday somebody mention the best he can have is 10,5 GPH at 125 .the reason I will suffer for at least 5 years with not flying(I love building too) is because the advertise 175 mph at cruise.four adults and full fuel,its this something realistic or will be a myth.. Hugo > > From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> > Date: 2005/07/13 Wed AM 10:41:35 EDT > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oshkosh Question > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> > > Van's never has deals. Feel free to order anytime and not loose out. > You can save on avionics but don't' buy anything yet. Tools will be > your big savings or at least you can checkout all of the vendors. I > bought my Pnum. Squeezer at Oshkosh in 03. I sold it 195.00. The guy I > bought it from says he gets 300.00 for the same thing now. There is so > much to see that I spent 6 days there and still missed some. That is > if you take in a dozen or so forums. The forums will be a big help. > Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > stevenflys1@juno.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:27 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh Question > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "stevenflys1@juno.com" > --> <stevenflys1@juno.com> > > > I am planning on buying my RV-10 kit on or soon after October 31st > (the day my divorce is settled). I plan to attend Oshkosh July 30th & 31st. > I have been to Oshkosh twice before, but just to look, never to buy > anything. Now that I am almost in a position to build I wanted some > advice. Besides shopping and seeing things up close, what kind of > deals can one typically find on tools, building material, etc. at Oshkosh? > Does Vans offer any deals at the show? Another words, is it worth my > time and money to buy things at Oshkosh or should I just order it all > and have it shipped to South Carolina? Thanks for your input. > Steven J Morris > wanna-be builder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:00:32 AM PST US
    From: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: RV-10 for sale
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com> John, Yep, that's the one. Did it sell? Randy and I had the same conversation about -10 values.


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    Time: 10:06:05 AM PST US
    From: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: speed
    --> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net> Off course I understand if you push you will go fast ,my question was if somebody flying see the advertise numbers speed and payload. Hugo


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    Time: 10:07:55 AM PST US
    From: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Oshkosh Question
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com> Cleaveland Tools had a show special last year on their tool kit. That's when I bought mine. Other than that not many other deals that you'd be interested in. As mentioned before, Van's doesn't discount. The price is right already. OSH is a good chance to look around at what's available but I'd concentrate on basic building info and any seminars concerning your project. Avionics, interiors, instruments ect. are a ways down the road. One caution, unless you know for sure what you're buying, stay out of the fly market...........john


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    Time: 10:23:57 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Oshkosh Question
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Thanks right....if the one you have won't let you build a -10, then get one that will! ;) PS: You wanna be on the RV-10 OSH meeting list?? Drop me a line if you do. Speaking of the OSH list, it's growing pretty good now. I think we're over 45 people on it....and the mugshot thing really started taking off too....you guys must think you're beautiful or something. ;) (I know I ain't no "catch") Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 Sense of humor is always ON DO NOT ARCHIVE stevenflys1@juno.com wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "stevenflys1@juno.com" <stevenflys1@juno.com> > > > I am planning on buying my RV-10 kit on or soon after October 31st (the day my divorce is settled). I plan to attend Oshkosh July 30th & 31st. I have been to Oshkosh twice before, but just to look, never to buy anything. Now that I am almost in a position to build I wanted some advice. Besides shopping and seeing things up close, what kind of deals can one typically find on tools, building material, etc. at Oshkosh? Does Vans offer any deals at the show? Another words, is it worth my time and money to buy things at Oshkosh or should I just order it all and have it shipped to South Carolina? Thanks for your input. > Steven J Morris > wanna-be builder > >


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    Time: 10:27:13 AM PST US
    Subject: speed
    From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> I just received a call from Van's. They will have some true numbers for you at Oshkosh in a customers plane. I can't tell you who's. I'll be busy next Wed am. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gommone7@bellsouth.net Subject: RV10-List: speed --> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net> Off course I understand if you push you will go fast ,my question was if somebody flying see the advertise numbers speed and payload. Hugo


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    Time: 10:27:15 AM PST US
    From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: speed
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> Hugo, Randy is flying, he is in the test stages, although he has flown off his hours to allow passengers. All of us are waiting for his info, which he is graciously going to provide as soon as he works through his detailed testing. I'm sure it will be posted here right away. Until then you have to go by Van's numbers and the matronics archives for other builders input and or speculation as to the performance. Rick s. 40185 Wings


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    Time: 10:31:50 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: speed
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> From what it's been sounding like, the people are seeing the performance that Van's quotes on their site. Also, I believe that as you see more RV-10's fly that perhaps have some enhancements like the blended airfoil prop, and electronic ignition, you may see small increases over those numbers. In fact, I believe Van's saw an increase with the new prop, but didn't update their chart. I see no reason why a well built RV-10 with a 260HP engine shouldn't cruise at nearly the published speeds. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 Current project: Fuselage DO NOT ARCHIVE gommone7@bellsouth.net wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net> > > Off course I understand if you push you will go fast ,my question was if somebody flying see the advertise numbers speed and payload. > Hugo >


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    Time: 10:40:23 AM PST US
    From: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: speed
    --> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net> Thanks, Hugo PS. if anybody need fiberglass work ,or special molds .,I'm building boats(inflatables) in Ft Lauderdale,anythings will take me out of work for airplanes will do me a favor > > From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> > Date: 2005/07/13 Wed PM 01:23:33 EDT > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: speed > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> > > I just received a call from Van's. They will have some true numbers for > you at Oshkosh in a customers plane. I can't tell you who's. I'll be > busy next Wed am. Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > gommone7@bellsouth.net > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:03 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: speed > > --> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net> > > Off course I understand if you push you will go fast ,my question was if > somebody flying see the advertise numbers speed and payload. > Hugo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:42:43 AM PST US
    Subject: speed
    From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> I talked a litte with Van the first day I flew and he mentioned the prop. He said that the blended was 2 to 3 mph faster. I told him the older prop was a cost saving item. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: speed --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> From what it's been sounding like, the people are seeing the performance that Van's quotes on their site. Also, I believe that as you see more RV-10's fly that perhaps have some enhancements like the blended airfoil prop, and electronic ignition, you may see small increases over those numbers. In fact, I believe Van's saw an increase with the new prop, but didn't update their chart. I see no reason why a well built RV-10 with a 260HP engine shouldn't cruise at nearly the published speeds. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 Current project: Fuselage DO NOT ARCHIVE gommone7@bellsouth.net wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net> > > Off course I understand if you push you will go fast ,my question was if somebody flying see the advertise numbers speed and payload. > Hugo >


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    Time: 11:02:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Randy, What was the final solution that you used for the cable attach to the pedals? I found reference to the issue but not the solution in either the archives or on Tim's website. Bob #40105


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    Time: 11:13:24 AM PST US
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    From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
    Subject: speed
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com> Do you remember the cost differential? The 3 mph is negligible, but saying "blended airfoil" might be worth the extra bucks. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Subject: RE: RV10-List: speed --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> I talked a litte with Van the first day I flew and he mentioned the prop. He said that the blended was 2 to 3 mph faster. I told him the older prop was a cost saving item. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: speed --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> From what it's been sounding like, the people are seeing the performance that Van's quotes on their site. Also, I believe that as you see more RV-10's fly that perhaps have some enhancements like the blended airfoil prop, and electronic ignition, you may see small increases over those numbers. In fact, I believe Van's saw an increase with the new prop, but didn't update their chart. I see no reason why a well built RV-10 with a 260HP engine shouldn't cruise at nearly the published speeds. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 Current project: Fuselage DO NOT ARCHIVE gommone7@bellsouth.net wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net> > > Off course I understand if you push you will go fast ,my question was if somebody flying see the advertise numbers speed and payload. > Hugo >


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    Time: 11:19:22 AM PST US
    Subject: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach
    From: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com> Speaking of pedals (rudder). Has anyone connected a rudder trim system in a 10? If so, what method did you us? Thank You Rick Conti office: 703-414-6141 cell: 571-215-6134 -----Original Message----- From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) [mailto:bob.condrey@baesystems.com] Subject: RV10-List: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Randy, What was the final solution that you used for the cable attach to the pedals? I found reference to the issue but not the solution in either the archives or on Tim's website. Bob #40105


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    Time: 11:54:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach
    From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com> Of the other RV variants, those that I have seen that have needed them use a small wedge placed/glued on the trailing edge of the rudder. I have also heard of people using springs for this, but have not seen any in person. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com> Speaking of pedals (rudder). Has anyone connected a rudder trim system in a 10? If so, what method did you us? Thank You Rick Conti office: 703-414-6141 cell: 571-215-6134 -----Original Message----- From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) [mailto:bob.condrey@baesystems.com] Subject: RV10-List: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Randy, What was the final solution that you used for the cable attach to the pedals? I found reference to the issue but not the solution in either the archives or on Tim's website. Bob #40105


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    Time: 12:16:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach
    From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> I attached just like the plans. No issue. Just make sure that you install the master cyl bolts so the nuts are facing away from your shoe. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Subject: RV10-List: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" --> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Randy, What was the final solution that you used for the cable attach to the pedals? I found reference to the issue but not the solution in either the archives or on Tim's website. Bob #40105


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    Time: 12:43:37 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Specketer" <speckter@comcast.net>
    Subject: Oshkosh Question
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Gary Specketer" <speckter@comcast.net> Put me on the List Gary Specketer 770-403-3450 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oshkosh Question --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Thanks right....if the one you have won't let you build a -10, then get one that will! ;) PS: You wanna be on the RV-10 OSH meeting list?? Drop me a line if you do. Speaking of the OSH list, it's growing pretty good now. I think we're over 45 people on it....and the mugshot thing really started taking off too....you guys must think you're beautiful or something. ;) (I know I ain't no "catch") Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 Sense of humor is always ON DO NOT ARCHIVE stevenflys1@juno.com wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "stevenflys1@juno.com" > --> <stevenflys1@juno.com> > > > I am planning on buying my RV-10 kit on or soon after October 31st > (the day my divorce is settled). I plan to attend Oshkosh July 30th & > 31st. I have been to Oshkosh twice before, but just to look, never to > buy anything. Now that I am almost in a position to build I wanted > some advice. Besides shopping and seeing things up close, what kind > of deals can one typically find on tools, building material, etc. at > Oshkosh? Does Vans offer any deals at the show? Another words, is it > worth my time and money to buy things at Oshkosh or should I just > order it all and have it shipped to South Carolina? Thanks for your > input. Steven J Morris wanna-be builder > >


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    Time: 01:01:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach
    From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Thanks - I thought the issue was where the cable attached to the pedals and that you couldn't put the bolt in the other direction due to clearance with the tunnel wall. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> I attached just like the plans. No issue. Just make sure that you install the master cyl bolts so the nuts are facing away from your shoe. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Subject: RV10-List: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" --> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Randy, What was the final solution that you used for the cable attach to the pedals? I found reference to the issue but not the solution in either the archives or on Tim's website. Bob #40105


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    Time: 04:08:02 PM PST US
    From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
    Subject: N610RV News?
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org> We've been getting number like 175mph (sorry for the statue numbers) at 9.5gph at 12,000 with no gear leg fairings. We've seen 175ish @ 8.5gph @ 14,500. It likes high. We should get some good number on the trip to Osh. Osh will be the first cross-country. Weight-wise, it does take full back stick on the flare with one or 2 in the front. Interestingly, if Tom's spreadsheet is accurate, adding another person in the front seat actually moves the CG back a little bit (of course you have a forward CG with more weight in that case). We were putting 80lbs in the luggage to the first couple of hours, but removed it and haven't put it back in. We installed two AeroTrim servos for the rudder and aileron and we love them. You can trip that baby out no matter where the weight is then fly with you feet on the floor. The ball stays almost pegged in the center. The servos aren't impressive-looking, but it is a super-easy install (especially after everything is closed up and the plane is flying) and they seem to work great. We got them for $175 each plus about $35 for the relay decks to be able to use the SPST action of the coolie hat. We have an Infinity Aerospace stick grip with 3 axis trim, flaps, PTT, Auto Pilot connect/disconnect and flight timer start/stop. Boost pump switch is between the throttle and prop knobs. That way everything's at the fingertips. The Dynons are great instruments and the TruTrak ADI is quite impressive. It sounds like Dynon is going to be shipping their 7" EFIS by Oshkosh and the EMS by the end of the year. For those wanting a glass cockpit on a budget, $5,000 will take the whole setup home. They don't have a GPS yet in the product line, but they hope to in the future. I realize they aren't Cheltons, but they don't cost $25,900 for a pair either. See you at Osh. I am in St. Louis right now on the way to WI for a wedding (yes, I am driving 3 days with the family while my dad flies it in a day, could almost do it non-stop, in the -10). Then a week of vacation in the north woods and Osh on the 24th. GOD BLESS! Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News? --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com> That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I used to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better. John Jessen (riveting the VS and rudder) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News? --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time for another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and hopefully installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon. I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true numbers but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a long trip like that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at you can get about 10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts. I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it with 4. It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people. Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold some back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on all landings seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires look great. Almost no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says how quiet it is. I have the single mufflers system. Even people standing next to it when I had the prop balanced said it was quite and that was running at 2300 RPM for 10 seconds or so. The prop balance was a big help. I could feel it in the rudder peddles before. Can't wait to get to Osh. With it but I have a lot of work to still do in 1 weekend and a few weeknights. After Osh. It will be almost done and I can get back to that lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News? --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net> Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the flyoff? Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast! I just need a little "builder boost". :) -Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps


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    Time: 04:12:06 PM PST US
    From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
    Subject: N610RV News?
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org> One of the big issues for us on fuel burn vs. flight time is whether or not you will have to make a stop. If you are going 1,000 miles (yes, I am talking statue number as always, sorry), it would be better to back it off to wherever it is required to make it non-stop. Descending and buying fuel, and getting back in for another hour or two actually adds about and hour or two to the flight and might add more whining to the kids. You know, a little bit of nitros-oxide added to the rear seat passengers' oxygen would take care of most of the whining, but then I guess you are increasing your cost again. OH YEAH, invest in a DVD player and they can sit forever, right? IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE USE! Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: N610RV News? --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Keep it in perspective though......my Sundowner does 9-9.5 @ 110-112 Kts. Who really cares what the fuel flow is when you pull it way back that far. Fuel flow is directly related to speed...and speed is distance and time. For instance, would you rather rent a plane for $50/hr that goes 100kts, or one that goes 150Kts for $75/hr if you were going on a 1000Nm trip? Do the math and sure, the fuel burn may be much higher on the $75/hr plane, but the cost of the flight will be identical, and you'll get there over 3 hours quicker. Sure, you can get some slight economies by pulling the power back...Van's charts show the range increase as you reduce to lower % of power, but, is it really that big of a difference in the big scheme of things? I myself would rather get there before the kids get whiny, and pay the extra couple bucks. As for Randy's performance numbers, I'm not at all concerned what the fuel flow is at 125kts. I'd be much more interested to know what it flows at 165, 175, and 185Kts. Tim Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 Current project: Fuselage John Jessen wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com> > > That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I used > to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better. > > John Jessen > (riveting the VS and rudder) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:04 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News? > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> > > Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time for > another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and hopefully > installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon. > > I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true numbers > but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a long trip like > that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at you can get about > 10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts. > I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it with 4. > It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people. > Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold some > back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on all landings > seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires look great. Almost > no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says how quiet it is. I have > the single mufflers system. Even people standing next to it when I had the > prop balanced said it was quite and that was running at 2300 RPM for 10 > seconds or so. The prop balance was a big help. I could feel it in the > rudder peddles before. Can't wait to get to Osh. With it but I have a lot of > work to still do in 1 weekend and a few weeknights. After Osh. It will be > almost done and I can get back to that > lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:10 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News? > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net> > > Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the flyoff? > Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast! > > I just need a little "builder boost". :) > > -Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:27:30 PM PST US
    From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
    Subject: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org> We have an AeroTrim for both rudder and aileron. We love 'em. No matter where your fuel or passengers are, whether your are climbing or descending, you can get it trimmed out and hand's off. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com> Speaking of pedals (rudder). Has anyone connected a rudder trim system in a 10? If so, what method did you us? Thank You Rick Conti office: 703-414-6141 cell: 571-215-6134 -----Original Message----- From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) [mailto:bob.condrey@baesystems.com] Subject: RV10-List: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Randy, What was the final solution that you used for the cable attach to the pedals? I found reference to the issue but not the solution in either the archives or on Tim's website. Bob #40105


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    Time: 04:40:15 PM PST US
    From: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
    Subject: Oshkosh bound
    I will be there Fri-Sun (29-31st). Would love to meet some you guys. Mug shot attached. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel & Yoshie Simmons Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oshkosh bound I will be there for most of the show mug shot included will have some with the RV-10 soon. Noel RV-10 40091 paint -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oshkosh bound Thursday would be a better night for me to get out for a dinner. Count me in. Mugshot is attached. I will have to be wearing a hat at the show (Reason should be obvious!). I will be wandering around the avionics and engine booths looking for stuff to put in the bird. Love to meet any and all. Looking for a cure for this "Disease". Don't think there is one. Oh Well! I will be over at Van's booth at the time suggested by Tim. Thanks, Tim for setting up the web page. Really useful! Can't wait! Jim Combs #40192 - Fuselage N312F Reserved Jim Combs


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    Time: 04:49:45 PM PST US
    From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> Jesse, Can you provide link or contact info for this? Rick S. N246RS 40185 Da Wings...waiting on Da Fuse...Sorry, in Chicago this week and next.


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    Time: 04:53:25 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: N610RV News?
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> I LOVE the nitrous idea....I suppose I could always give them extra dramamine. ;) I'm planning to put in rear seat movies, but as a post-flying install. I definitely see your point about the stops. Usually I can keep the stops with the kids to under 30 minutes, but it does add to the trip. I didn't care in the past because on a 1000 mile trip, I wanted to land and get a weather radar picture, but, now I'll have that in my cockpit.....so I may as well keep the range up and move along. Hey, post a shot or two of your trim system...would be interesting to all. Definitely look me up at OSH...can't wait to see your -10! Tim Jesse Saint wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org> > > One of the big issues for us on fuel burn vs. flight time is whether or not > you will have to make a stop. If you are going 1,000 miles (yes, I am > talking statue number as always, sorry), it would be better to back it off > to wherever it is required to make it non-stop. Descending and buying fuel, > and getting back in for another hour or two actually adds about and hour or > two to the flight and might add more whining to the kids. You know, a > little bit of nitros-oxide added to the rear seat passengers' oxygen would > take care of most of the whining, but then I guess you are increasing your > cost again. OH YEAH, invest in a DVD player and they can sit forever, > right? > > IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE USE! > > Jesse Saint > I-TEC, Inc. > jesse@itecusa.org > www.itecusa.org > W: 352-465-4545 > C: 352-427-0285 > F: 815-377-3694 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:24 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: N610RV News? > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> > > Keep it in perspective though......my Sundowner does 9-9.5 @ > 110-112 Kts. Who really cares what the fuel flow is when > you pull it way back that far. Fuel flow is directly related > to speed...and speed is distance and time. > > For instance, would you rather rent a plane for $50/hr > that goes 100kts, or one that goes 150Kts for $75/hr > if you were going on a 1000Nm trip? > > Do the math and sure, the fuel burn may be much higher > on the $75/hr plane, but the cost of the flight will > be identical, and you'll get there over 3 hours quicker. > > Sure, you can get some slight economies by pulling the power > back...Van's charts show the range increase as you > reduce to lower % of power, but, is it really that big > of a difference in the big scheme of things? I myself > would rather get there before the kids get whiny, and > pay the extra couple bucks. > > As for Randy's performance numbers, I'm not at all > concerned what the fuel flow is at 125kts. I'd > be much more interested to know what it flows > at 165, 175, and 185Kts. > > Tim > > > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 > Current project: Fuselage > > > John Jessen wrote: > >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com> >> >>That's actually not very great news, 10.5 @ 125. Is this typical? I used >>to do 12 @ 135 in the 182. I was hoping for better. >> >>John Jessen >> (riveting the VS and rudder) >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw >>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:04 PM >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: N610RV News? >> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> >> >>Well I am in the final phase of painting the wheel pants. It is time for >>another oil change. The oxy bottle will get purchased and hopefully >>installed before Osh. The carpet is going in soon. >> >>I don't have enough time with the wheel pants on to get some true numbers >>but Osh is coming up and should have some real numbers on a long trip like >>that. I appears that if you pull back on the power at you can get about >>10.5 gal an hour at 125 kts. >>I still carry about 50 lbs in the baggage area when 2 up and pull it with > > 4. > >>It really handles 4 people well. In fact I prefer 4 people. >>Myself, full fuel and 50 lbs in the back is fine. More trim and hold some >>back pressure for the flare. Keep the speed up. Full flaps on all > > landings > >>seems to work best. Slower speed at touch down. The tires look great. > > Almost > >>no wear at 42 hours. Everyone that has ridden says how quiet it is. I > > have > >>the single mufflers system. Even people standing next to it when I had the >>prop balanced said it was quite and that was running at 2300 RPM for 10 >>seconds or so. The prop balance was a big help. I could feel it in the >>rudder peddles before. Can't wait to get to Osh. With it but I have a lot > > of > >>work to still do in 1 weekend and a few weeknights. After Osh. It will be >>almost done and I can get back to that >>lawn. Where was that mower? I saw it 21 months ago.... Randy >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens >>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:10 AM >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RV10-List: N610RV News? >> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net> >> >>Hey Randy, any more little tidbits of interesting info since the flyoff? >>Just wondering how things are going. Hope you are having a blast! >> >>I just need a little "builder boost". :) >> >>-Sean #40303 nearing end of flaps >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:44:04 PM PST US
    From: "stevenflys1@juno.com" <stevenflys1@juno.com>
    Subject: Oshkosh Question
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "stevenflys1@juno.com" <stevenflys1@juno.com> Please put me on the list also. Steven Morris 864-723-6346


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    Time: 06:44:59 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Oshkosh Question
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Hey Steven, I got you on the list. To all: when you send me your info, don't forget to send some of the other stuff, like builder ID, hometown, webpage if you have one, and OSH dates. You can see a sample of it here: http://www.myrv10.com/osh2 This will make a great directory for other builders. Eventually I'd like to get a 10 builders only area with a little more content that perhaps would not be great to have open to the world. This list with phone numbers would be a good one....no need to get junk calls on your cell you know...that's why the protection. Tim Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 Current project: Fuselage DO NOT ARCHIVE stevenflys1@juno.com wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "stevenflys1@juno.com" <stevenflys1@juno.com> > > > Please put me on the list also. > Steven Morris > 864-723-6346 >


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    Time: 07:38:54 PM PST US
    Subject: RV-10 for sale
    From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> As I understand it, Eldon Lamprecht (651) 777-7349 purchased the kit components from VANS then contracted Paul Irlbeck to build it professionally for resale not education and enjoyment. This is an issue we do not want to start here. Lurkers from VANS are already frowning any time I raise such subjects. Paul Irlbeck, Wabasha, MN. Paul is a professional aircraft mechanic who specializes in the construction assistance of RV aircraft. He can he reached at 651-565-3653 Randy and I were joking that it computes to $85/hour which is better than I make as a Real Estate Broker or A & P. The Lancair Builder assists were getting 120 to 140 per plane. Joe Bartels created a Factory Support program and encouraged builders to come home to the factory at $4,000 per week. You can build an entire Legacy, ES or IVP right in Bend and it sure clipped the wings of the Pros that were laughing on their way to the bank. Now the spirit of the reg is more aligned. That's all my database has on it other than its ready for the DAR inspection. His last effort for Eldon was N10PE Aircraft Serial Number : 2041 Aircraft Manufacturer : IRLBECK P C/LAMPRECHT E G Model : RV-4 Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING Model : 0-320 SERIES Aircraft Year : 1989 Owner Name : LAMPRECHT ELDEN G Owner Address : 2807 HILO AVE N OAKDALE, MN, 55128 Type of Owner : Individual Registration Date : 14-Oct-1992 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental Approved Operations : Amateur Built Someone east of Chicago must know more than those of us out on the Left Coast. John - KUAO DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hasbrouck Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 for sale --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com> John, Yep, that's the one. Did it sell? Randy and I had the same conversation about -10 values.


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    Time: 07:46:48 PM PST US
    From: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
    Subject: HS Brackets
    I'm working on the HS Front Spar Attach Brackets that you form out of the 5" piece of 2x2.5 angle. I ended up cutting them so that the angle opposite the locator hole is a little short of the 21/32. I don't think that this will be a structural issue in the piece itself, as there's still plenty of material between the edge and the holes you drill into it. But since the plans called for these exacting dimensions, where does the match up come from? The only thing I can find in the plans are the shims I'll make later for the TailCone attachment, which look like they have the same shape, but not the same dimensions as the angles. I've attached pics. Looks like my cutting and smoothing came out to about 17/32 instead of 21/32. I've marked a blue spot on the ruler where the material should come to. Do the plans make these match aesthetically or structurally? Someone with an attached HS/Tailcone please advise your thoughts. I know I can call Van's in the morning, but that always seems so far away when I can get initial (and experienced) responses here. Oh, and call it a wish and a prayer, but hopefully this'll be ok.I'm already on try #2 with these brackets. Confession is good for the soul! Rob Wright 40392 HS


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    Time: 08:30:03 PM PST US
    From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
    Subject: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org> I will look for a link. The guy is always at Sun-N-Fun with a little cheesy display and sometimes wears a hat with a little propeller on top. Not very impressive display, but the trim is STC'd for a lot of different aircraft. All metal gears. Stop by and see N256H in the Home Builder's Parking area and you can see the installation (they haven't been finished up, but they are installed and working). Also, the Infinity control stick is awesome. I think they are at www.infinityaerospace.com and they will surely be at Oshkosh (a 450ish-pound guy with a control yoke and a throttle quadrant on the table at the front of the booth). See ya'll at the show. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rudder Pedal Cable Attach --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> Jesse, Can you provide link or contact info for this? Rick S. N246RS 40185 Da Wings...waiting on Da Fuse...Sorry, in Chicago this week and next.


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    Time: 08:34:57 PM PST US
    From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
    Subject: RV-10 for sale
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org> Does anybody have a summary of the rules for this type of project, building a plane for sale or for hire? The 51% rule is mainly for being named as the mechanic for the plane, right? Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 for sale --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> As I understand it, Eldon Lamprecht (651) 777-7349 purchased the kit components from VANS then contracted Paul Irlbeck to build it professionally for resale not education and enjoyment. This is an issue we do not want to start here. Lurkers from VANS are already frowning any time I raise such subjects. Paul Irlbeck, Wabasha, MN. Paul is a professional aircraft mechanic who specializes in the construction assistance of RV aircraft. He can he reached at 651-565-3653 Randy and I were joking that it computes to $85/hour which is better than I make as a Real Estate Broker or A & P. The Lancair Builder assists were getting 120 to 140 per plane. Joe Bartels created a Factory Support program and encouraged builders to come home to the factory at $4,000 per week. You can build an entire Legacy, ES or IVP right in Bend and it sure clipped the wings of the Pros that were laughing on their way to the bank. Now the spirit of the reg is more aligned. That's all my database has on it other than its ready for the DAR inspection. His last effort for Eldon was N10PE Aircraft Serial Number : 2041 Aircraft Manufacturer : IRLBECK P C/LAMPRECHT E G Model : RV-4 Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING Model : 0-320 SERIES Aircraft Year : 1989 Owner Name : LAMPRECHT ELDEN G Owner Address : 2807 HILO AVE N OAKDALE, MN, 55128 Type of Owner : Individual Registration Date : 14-Oct-1992 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental Approved Operations : Amateur Built Someone east of Chicago must know more than those of us out on the Left Coast. John - KUAO DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hasbrouck Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 for sale --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com> John, Yep, that's the one. Did it sell? Randy and I had the same conversation about -10 values.


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    Time: 10:17:45 PM PST US
    From: larryrosen@comcast.net
    Subject: My Web Site is Finally Up
    1.25 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO --> RV10-List message posted by: larryrosen@comcast.net You can check out my RV-10 Construction web site at <http://home.comcast.net/~rv10pilot> Constructive criticism is welcome :-0 Larry Rosen #356 QB Wings and Fuselage were delivered yesterday




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