---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/16/05: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:17 AM - Re: Cleco every hole. (Richard Reynolds) 2. 05:26 AM - Re: Cleco every hole. (Russell Daves) 3. 05:31 AM - Re: Cleco every hole. (Jim Combs) 4. 06:41 AM - Re: bandsaw (Rick) 5. 06:43 AM - Re: Reamers (Rick) 6. 09:03 AM - Re: RV-10s coming to Oshkosh? (Jeff Point) 7. 03:27 PM - A GUIDE TO AIRCRAFT PAINTING & CORROSION CONTROL (Garey Wittich) 8. 08:21 PM - Re: bandsaw (Bill and Tami Britton) 9. 09:04 PM - Re: bandsaw (bob.kaufmann) 10. 09:39 PM - Re: Ice Cream Social at OSH? (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:29 AM PST US From: Richard Reynolds Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cleco every hole. --> RV10-List message posted by: Richard Reynolds > Several years ago I was helping some builders with a RV-9A fuselage kit. I instructed them to cleco every other hole, match drill, shift the clecos one hole and match drill the remaining holes. Later while dimpling the holes in the skin, I asked why they did not drill a hole between two existing holes that where 2.5 inches a part. Their answer was that there was not a prepunched hole in the skin to drill. There was a prepunched hole in the mating rib. THINK! Richard Reynolds ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:57 AM PST US From: "Russell Daves" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cleco every hole. --> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" Anytime a line of holes have a missing space between them it should raise a real question as to WHY and you should always check it out. The easiest way is to simple look at the rivit callout page in the plans. If the rivet callout page shows a continous row of rivets without the space it is obvious that the CAD machine failed to punch the hole. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Reynolds" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cleco every hole. > --> RV10-List message posted by: Richard Reynolds > >> > Several years ago I was helping some builders with a RV-9A fuselage kit. > > I instructed them to cleco every other hole, match drill, shift the > clecos one hole and match drill the remaining holes. > > Later while dimpling the holes in the skin, I asked why they did not > drill a hole between two existing holes that where 2.5 inches a part. > Their answer was that there was not a prepunched hole in the skin to > drill. There was a prepunched hole in the mating rib. > > THINK! > > Richard Reynolds > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:04 AM PST US From: "Jim Combs" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cleco every hole. --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" Richard is correct, You will find that along the way there are some very slight differences in one side of a skin. You neeed to make sure ALL the holes line up before you start riveting! Doesn't mean you have to Cleco every hole. Just make sure it is the right parts and they are in the correct orientation. For me there have been at least two times where I have clecoed together a set of parts and had to remove and select a different part because of a mistake on my part. Flap skins are one of those places where you really need to look carefully. The rear fuel tank baffle is another. Vans has done an excellent job of making the parts nearly idiot proof. But I sure have tried! So before you drill that hole that you think is missing. CHECK the parts. Especially if it's a part that will require dimples. And for what it is worth, I too have started drilling all the holes to final size before fitting. I have not had any problems with alignment. Makes the build process go just a little faster. The reamer idea is a good one too. Jim Combs #40192 - Fuselage N312F Reserved ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Richard Reynolds --> RV10-List message posted by: Richard Reynolds > Several years ago I was helping some builders with a RV-9A fuselage kit. I instructed them to cleco every other hole, match drill, shift the clecos one hole and match drill the remaining holes. Later while dimpling the holes in the skin, I asked why they did not drill a hole between two existing holes that where 2.5 inches a part. Their answer was that there was not a prepunched hole in the skin to drill. There was a prepunched hole in the mating rib. THINK! Richard Reynolds ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:35 AM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: bandsaw DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list - No Plain-Text Section --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. 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If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:25 PM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ioc/NUSDR7dsk32dWO9BSksY3CUWMycODjYrpb1madW2jfn7szzDPJzASR9hZBCieIGiWGbxuosYedsy0I0X7pN2EnuDJ1OGYLCW+iRJeV0k7+yBPi8nsjcUW5+4Up4kZ1i2U9SiH4QdQtGqeEBSliTSxt1d+UfhCQOoT6FAk+U= ; From: Garey Wittich Subject: RV10-List: A GUIDE TO AIRCRAFT PAINTING & CORROSION CONTROL --> RV10-List message posted by: Garey Wittich > This Information comes from my own research which I did for > my RV-8A, which I am building. Information applies to both Aluminum and Composite aircraft. 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Contains plenty of "Do's" > and > "Don'ts" that save you time, money and frustration. > > Send a check for $26 to (includes Postage within the > US) to: > Garey Wittich RV-8A Builder > 58 Village Parkway > Santa Monica, CA. 90405 > > __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:00 PM PST US spamd3.ruraltel.net * -4.0 RCVD_FROM_NEXTECH_5 Message came from 204.96.144-152.x network * 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay * lines * 0.0 HTML_30_40 BODY: Message is 30% to 40% HTML * 0.0 HTML_NONELEMENT_00_10 BODY: 0% to 10% of HTML elements are * non-standard * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message * -0.8 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% * 0.0 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list From: "Bill and Tami Britton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: bandsaw Thanks for all the replies. I bought a 9" tradesman from Sears today. I know. Who the hell is Tradesman. Well, I asked the same thing but the Craftsman 9" was spec'd out almost exactly the same and had less warranty. The Craftsman was $99. The Tradesman was on Clearance from that particular store (not the whole Sears chain) for $53. So, needless to say I bought it and 3- 59 1/2" blades with 15 TPI. I hope 15 is fine enough. Does anybody know. I looked all over for a variable speed saw and nobody had one so I had to settle for this. Any questions, comments or remarks about this particular saw please let me know. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 8:40 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: bandsaw --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick I'm happy with my 9" Delta from Lowes (twin to the Ryobi.) So far if I needed a deeper throat 12" would not have really mattered either. Keep a good sharp blade in your hacksaw for those cases. I had some trouble locatiing a 59.5" x 18 tpi blade, Home Depot does not stock them but Lowes carries them in the stores in Las Vegas but they are not always in stock. I am on my second blade because I tried to cut something entierly unrelated to the airplane. One thing about these saws, follow the instructions for setting up the blade in regards to tracking and tension. I make a big difference in how well it performs in the accuracy department. I was also told by Delta that if I cut metal it would void my warranty, their tool is made only for wood??? I found this out by calling and asking who stocks fine tooth blades for cutting metal. I keep mine clean inside and out and it works just fine. Later I did a google and found several places on the web who sell blades for about 8 dollars each, haven't needed to order one yet though. Rick S. 40185 Wings ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:55 PM PST US From: "bob.kaufmann" Subject: RE: RV10-List: bandsaw You done good. Bob K _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill and Tami Britton Subject: Re: RV10-List: bandsaw Thanks for all the replies. I bought a 9" tradesman from Sears today. I know. Who the hell is Tradesman. Well, I asked the same thing but the Craftsman 9" was spec'd out almost exactly the same and had less warranty. The Craftsman was $99. The Tradesman was on Clearance from that particular store (not the whole Sears chain) for $53. So, needless to say I bought it and 3- 59 1/2" blades with 15 TPI. I hope 15 is fine enough. Does anybody know. I looked all over for a variable speed saw and nobody had one so I had to settle for this. Any questions, comments or remarks about this particular saw please let me know. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: bandsaw --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick I'm happy with my 9" Delta from Lowes (twin to the Ryobi.) So far if I needed a deeper throat 12" would not have really mattered either. Keep a good sharp blade in your hacksaw for those cases. I had some trouble locatiing a 59.5" x 18 tpi blade, Home Depot does not stock them but Lowes carries them in the stores in Las Vegas but they are not always in stock. I am on my second blade because I tried to cut something entierly unrelated to the airplane. One thing about these saws, follow the instructions for setting up the blade in regards to tracking and tension. I make a big difference in how well it performs in the accuracy department. I was also told by Delta that if I cut metal it would void my warranty, their tool is made only for wood??? I found this out by calling and asking who stocks fine tooth blades for cutting metal. I keep mine clean inside and out and it works just fine. Later I did a google and found several places on the web who sell blades for about 8 dollars each, haven't needed to order one yet though. Rick S. 40185 utilities such Browse, ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:19 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ice Cream Social at OSH? --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" I'll host, You buy. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mani Ravee Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ice Cream Social at OSH? --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" Randy, a little birdie told me that you "Wanted" to host a steak dinner for "all" ?? Ice cream is desert, right? ;) And, guys, if you send a reply to Randy be there, in the next half hour, you are invited!!!! See you there buddy Mani Ravee, MD Indianapolis, KUMP #40339. N528AR -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Daves Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ice Cream Social at OSH? --> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" I like your idea Randy. I know Mike from Cleaveland Aircraft Tools will be at the Cleaveland Vendor Tent. Why don't we nominate Mike to collect the money at the Cleaveland Tent and let, either Daniel Lloyd (Expedition available) or Brian Sponcil (Van available) who have both offered their vehicles, go get the Ice Cream and fixing at the nearest Walmart or Supermarket and nominate Gary Specketer's dolphin motorhome as the location for the Ice Cream Social. The only issue is the date and since Gary is not arriving until Thursday it would have to be either Thursday or Friday. Russ Daves ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy DeBauw" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ice Cream Social at OSH? > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" > > I wonder if it would work to have it at a Vendors location on Tuesday > and Friday. That would give everyone a good place to meet. Also If we > can get someone with some freezer space in there motor home or with a > car that can go pick up the goods at a local store. We can all pitch in > 3-5 $ each. Mike any interest? Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Kraus > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 3:32 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ice Cream Social at OSH? > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Kraus" > --> > > I fly in on Wednesday, Thursday, Fri, or Sat work for me Mike Kraus > RV-4 flying > RV-10 hanger flying > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:55 PM > To: RV10 > Subject: RV10-List: Ice Cream Social at OSH? > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Mike from Cleaveland Aircraft Tools (he's a -10 builder too) would like > to see if there's interest in an ice cream social on something like > Monday night at OSH. (or, another date if a different one works better) > > Any input?? You can email the list, or Mike at mike@cleavelandtool.com > > I told him I'd report back if there was interest and what seemed to be > the best date. > > -- > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 > Current project: Fuselage > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > >