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1. 08:06 AM - Throttle Quadrant Location (Tim Olson)
2. 09:11 AM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
3. 09:52 AM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (John Jessen)
4. 12:17 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (Rob Kermanj)
5. 12:24 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
6. 12:34 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (Kent Forsythe)
7. 12:36 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (John Kirkland)
8. 12:55 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (Bobby J. Hughes)
9. 01:09 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (Ned)
10. 01:40 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (Dan Checkoway)
11. 02:09 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (Brian Sponcil)
12. 02:42 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (Mark & Kelly)
13. 03:24 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (John Jessen)
14. 03:29 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (Russell Daves)
15. 03:49 PM - "Pop" rivets on fuel tank "Z" brackets (John Hasbrouck)
16. 04:01 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (Rick)
17. 04:09 PM - Re: "Pop" rivets on fuel tank "Z" brackets (Rick)
18. 04:18 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (Rick)
19. 05:07 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (linn walters)
20. 05:15 PM - Fuselage Vent Question - SV-1? (Byron Gillespie)
21. 05:23 PM - Re: Fuselage Vent Question - SV-1? (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
22. 06:12 PM - Re: Fuselage Vent Question - SV-1? (Byron Gillespie)
23. 06:30 PM - Re: "Pop" rivets on fuel tank "Z" brackets (John Hasbrouck)
24. 06:43 PM - Re: "Pop" rivets on fuel tank "Z" brackets (Rick)
25. 07:31 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (Jim Combs)
26. 07:47 PM - Painting Windshield before Laying Glass (DejaVu)
27. 07:55 PM - Re: "Pop" rivets on fuel tank "Z" brackets (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
28. 08:46 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Location (Comcast)
29. 08:54 PM - Re: I really really want to build an airplane..... (Shawn Moon)
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| Subject: | Throttle Quadrant Location |
Is there anyone who's using the throttle quadrant who's heard
exactly where it mounts? Today I'm going to drill my
remaining holes in the panel for switches and want to make
sure the Throttle goes dead center on panel, right on the
same flange that the other type of controls would go.
I did call tech support, but, as you can see by my need
to ask this question of you, that was helpful. <not>
Thanks for any help you can give. I've attached a pic of
the panel with switch locations. I reduced it for the list,
but I have closeups, and switch template layouts on my
panel page that I did in visio. If you want to original
visio file, I can provide a link to that too.
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Throttle Quadrant Location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Tim - good timing! I'm also going with it and according to UPS, it will
show up tomorrow. Insights from anybody would be appreciated.
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Throttle Quadrant Location
Is there anyone who's using the throttle quadrant who's heard
exactly where it mounts? Today I'm going to drill my
remaining holes in the panel for switches and want to make
sure the Throttle goes dead center on panel, right on the
same flange that the other type of controls would go.
I did call tech support, but, as you can see by my need
to ask this question of you, that was helpful. <not>
Thanks for any help you can give. I've attached a pic of
the panel with switch locations. I reduced it for the list,
but I have closeups, and switch template layouts on my
panel page that I did in visio. If you want to original
visio file, I can provide a link to that too.
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Throttle Quadrant Location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
This leads me to ask an opinion:
It'll be awhile yet before I have to make the decision, but I'm curious as
to why folks opt for the quadrant over the push/pull panel mount throttle
controls. I learned on the quadrant type, in Katanas and Pipers, and for
the longest time felt they were the only way to go and why would anyone ever
use push/pull knobs. Clearly those of us who grew up with boats are used to
a lever. I then bought into a 182/206 club and there were the knobs. I've
since grown to like them. They are up out of the way; they have amazing
fine tuning capabilities. When you push forward, plane goes forward, same
as the throttle quadrant. And, turn the big knob and they stay put, unlike
my experience with the throttle quadrant on the (albeit older) Pipers and
Katanas. And, I think, the push/pull knobs open up leg room, although maybe
this isn't true for the RV-10 as it is for the two seaters.
So, beyond looks, can someone give me a reason for one over the other? Or
is it really just the look and feel?
Thanks,
John Jessen
(VS pounded into submission. Rudder primed and ready for its turn.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Throttle Quadrant Location
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
--> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Tim - good timing! I'm also going with it and according to UPS, it will
show up tomorrow. Insights from anybody would be appreciated.
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Throttle Quadrant Location
Is there anyone who's using the throttle quadrant who's heard exactly where
it mounts? Today I'm going to drill my remaining holes in the panel for
switches and want to make sure the Throttle goes dead center on panel, right
on the same flange that the other type of controls would go.
I did call tech support, but, as you can see by my need to ask this question
of you, that was helpful. <not>
Thanks for any help you can give. I've attached a pic of the panel with
switch locations. I reduced it for the list, but I have closeups, and
switch template layouts on my panel page that I did in visio. If you want
to original visio file, I can provide a link to that too.
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant Location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rob Kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
Good points! I was thinking of using the throttle quadrant. I think
that I won't.
Rob.
On Jul 19, 2005, at 12:52 PM, John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> This leads me to ask an opinion:
>
> It'll be awhile yet before I have to make the decision, but I'm
> curious as
> to why folks opt for the quadrant over the push/pull panel mount
> throttle
> controls. I learned on the quadrant type, in Katanas and Pipers, and
> for
> the longest time felt they were the only way to go and why would
> anyone ever
> use push/pull knobs. Clearly those of us who grew up with boats are
> used to
> a lever. I then bought into a 182/206 club and there were the knobs.
> I've
> since grown to like them. They are up out of the way; they have
> amazing
> fine tuning capabilities. When you push forward, plane goes forward,
> same
> as the throttle quadrant. And, turn the big knob and they stay put,
> unlike
> my experience with the throttle quadrant on the (albeit older) Pipers
> and
> Katanas. And, I think, the push/pull knobs open up leg room, although
> maybe
> this isn't true for the RV-10 as it is for the two seaters.
>
> So, beyond looks, can someone give me a reason for one over the other?
> Or
> is it really just the look and feel?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Jessen
> (VS pounded into submission. Rudder primed and ready for its turn.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey,
> Bob (US
> SSA)
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:11 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Throttle Quadrant Location
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
> --> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Tim - good timing! I'm also going with it and according to UPS, it
> will
> show up tomorrow. Insights from anybody would be appreciated.
>
> Bob #40105
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:03 AM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: Throttle Quadrant Location
>
> Is there anyone who's using the throttle quadrant who's heard exactly
> where
> it mounts? Today I'm going to drill my remaining holes in the panel
> for
> switches and want to make sure the Throttle goes dead center on panel,
> right
> on the same flange that the other type of controls would go.
> I did call tech support, but, as you can see by my need to ask this
> question
> of you, that was helpful. <not>
>
> Thanks for any help you can give. I've attached a pic of the panel
> with
> switch locations. I reduced it for the list, but I have closeups, and
> switch template layouts on my panel page that I did in visio. If you
> want
> to original visio file, I can provide a link to that too.
> --
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Throttle Quadrant Location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Hmm. How about mounting the throttle quadrant on the center overhead, like on
a Grumman Albatross, and other such manly airplanes? That would be sweet . .
.
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Throttle Quadrant Location
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rob Kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
Good points! I was thinking of using the throttle quadrant. I think
that I won't.
Rob.
On Jul 19, 2005, at 12:52 PM, John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> This leads me to ask an opinion:
>
> It'll be awhile yet before I have to make the decision, but I'm
> curious as
> to why folks opt for the quadrant over the push/pull panel mount
> throttle
> controls. I learned on the quadrant type, in Katanas and Pipers, and
> for
> the longest time felt they were the only way to go and why would
> anyone ever
> use push/pull knobs. Clearly those of us who grew up with boats are
> used to
> a lever. I then bought into a 182/206 club and there were the knobs.
> I've
> since grown to like them. They are up out of the way; they have
> amazing
> fine tuning capabilities. When you push forward, plane goes forward,
> same
> as the throttle quadrant. And, turn the big knob and they stay put,
> unlike
> my experience with the throttle quadrant on the (albeit older) Pipers
> and
> Katanas. And, I think, the push/pull knobs open up leg room, although
> maybe
> this isn't true for the RV-10 as it is for the two seaters.
>
> So, beyond looks, can someone give me a reason for one over the other?
> Or
> is it really just the look and feel?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Jessen
> (VS pounded into submission. Rudder primed and ready for its turn.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey,
> Bob (US
> SSA)
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:11 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Throttle Quadrant Location
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
> --> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Tim - good timing! I'm also going with it and according to UPS, it
> will
> show up tomorrow. Insights from anybody would be appreciated.
>
> Bob #40105
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:03 AM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: Throttle Quadrant Location
>
> Is there anyone who's using the throttle quadrant who's heard exactly
> where
> it mounts? Today I'm going to drill my remaining holes in the panel
> for
> switches and want to make sure the Throttle goes dead center on panel,
> right
> on the same flange that the other type of controls would go.
> I did call tech support, but, as you can see by my need to ask this
> question
> of you, that was helpful. <not>
>
> Thanks for any help you can give. I've attached a pic of the panel
> with
> switch locations. I reduced it for the list, but I have closeups, and
> switch template layouts on my panel page that I did in visio. If you
> want
> to original visio file, I can provide a link to that too.
> --
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant Location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
OK....who are we kidding. We like the quadrants because it feels cool...like we're
flying a F-16 or 747. :-)
Don't tell my I was the only one thinking it!!!
Kent Forsythe
40338
Tail Cone
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant Location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland" <jskirkland@webpipe.net>
I hear N410RV is getting / has gotten a throttle quadrant. I was at Van's
last Friday and did the demo ride thing in N220RV, N410RV was in the shop
area getting mod work done before Oshkosh. Didn't get to cross the yellow
tape and look inside it. It would be super if someone gets some really great
pics of it at OSH, especially the throttle quadrant installation details.
John Kirkland
#40333
Tim Olson writes:
> Is there anyone who's using the throttle quadrant who's heard
> exactly where it mounts? Today I'm going to drill my
> remaining holes in the panel for switches and want to make
> sure the Throttle goes dead center on panel, right on the
> same flange that the other type of controls would go.
> I did call tech support, but, as you can see by my need
> to ask this question of you, that was helpful. <not>
>
> Thanks for any help you can give. I've attached a pic of
> the panel with switch locations. I reduced it for the list,
> but I have closeups, and switch template layouts on my
> panel page that I did in visio. If you want to original
> visio file, I can provide a link to that too.
> --
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Throttle Quadrant Location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bobby J. Hughes" <bhughes@qnsi.net>
John,
How did the small engine RV10 perform?
Bobby Hughes
40116 Fus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Kirkland
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Throttle Quadrant Location
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland"
--> <jskirkland@webpipe.net>
I hear N410RV is getting / has gotten a throttle quadrant. I was at
Van's last Friday and did the demo ride thing in N220RV, N410RV was in
the shop area getting mod work done before Oshkosh. Didn't get to cross
the yellow tape and look inside it. It would be super if someone gets
some really great pics of it at OSH, especially the throttle quadrant
installation details.
John Kirkland
#40333
Tim Olson writes:
> Is there anyone who's using the throttle quadrant who's heard exactly
> where it mounts? Today I'm going to drill my remaining holes in the
> panel for switches and want to make sure the Throttle goes dead center
> on panel, right on the same flange that the other type of controls
> would go.
> I did call tech support, but, as you can see by my need to ask this
> question of you, that was helpful. <not>
>
> Thanks for any help you can give. I've attached a pic of the panel
> with switch locations. I reduced it for the list, but I have
> closeups, and switch template layouts on my panel page that I did in
> visio. If you want to original visio file, I can provide a link to
> that too.
> --
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant Location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ned" <923te@cox.net>
for what it's worth, I've flown with both types of controls and i favor the
push pull cables over the quadrant primarily becaus the quadrant does not
have the capability of a vernier on the mixture
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant Location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
And all this time I was thinking you guys wanted your custom homebuilt to
look more like a Cherokee... ;-)
do not archive!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Forsythe" <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Throttle Quadrant Location
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
> OK....who are we kidding. We like the quadrants because it feels
> cool...like we're flying a F-16 or 747. :-)
>
> Don't tell my I was the only one thinking it!!!
>
> Kent Forsythe
> 40338
> Tail Cone
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant Location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Sponcil" <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
Yeah, in addition to the numbers, how did the nose feel? Some have
complained that N410RV is a bit nose heavy with the 0-540. Any impressions
you care to share?
-Brian
Iowa City, IA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby J. Hughes" <bhughes@qnsi.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Throttle Quadrant Location
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bobby J. Hughes" <bhughes@qnsi.net>
>
> John,
>
> How did the small engine RV10 perform?
>
> Bobby Hughes
> 40116 Fus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Kirkland
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:36 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Throttle Quadrant Location
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland"
> --> <jskirkland@webpipe.net>
>
> I hear N410RV is getting / has gotten a throttle quadrant. I was at
> Van's last Friday and did the demo ride thing in N220RV, N410RV was in
> the shop area getting mod work done before Oshkosh. Didn't get to cross
> the yellow tape and look inside it. It would be super if someone gets
> some really great pics of it at OSH, especially the throttle quadrant
> installation details.
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant Location |
"I was at Van's last Friday and did the demo ride thing in N220RV"
Hello All,
This brings up a question that I have been wondering about for a while. For all
of you 10 builders, how many of you actually have time in a 10 either as PIC
or passenger? I am going to Oshkosh with the hopes of getting a chance to demo
one of the demonstrators. If I can't, I will visit the factory for the ride.
I have already decided on the 10, and from everyone's experience with the
plane and it's performance, etc., I know it is the right choice. I was speaking
to a friend / C-182 driver the other day & I told him I have decided to go
with an RV10. The first thing he asked was "How does it fly?" I told him I
haven't actually flown in one yet which he thought was a little strange!
Thanks, Mark (Going with a 10 no matter what anyone says!)
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| Subject: | Throttle Quadrant Location |
I'm a C182 driver and have flown in the right seat of the RV-10, 540
version, and there is NO COMPARISON. Sorry, didn't mean to shout. Don't
get me wrong. I love the C182. What a workhorse. Very forgiving. You
land someplace and load up and it'll get you home. Good IFR platform. Good
interior for hauling things. Good versatility, etc. etc. No wonder they
have been such a great, long lived plane. Note, however, the popularity of
the Cirrus. Hmmmmm. Note the popularity of the RV-10. Same set of
reasons, I think. Fast. Up-to-date. Low wing. Great visibility. In
addition, as far as the RV-10 goes, good load capacity, excellent handling,
excellent landing / takeoff specifications. Not as smooth a ride in the
bumps, but you give up something. You want smooth and almost as fast, go
buy a nice Bonanza 33A. Yup, about $175k for a 20-30 year old, narrow body
plane. Wish the RV-10 had a parachute DESIGNED into the plans.
Anyway, you'll love the flying qualities.
Have fun...
John Jessen
Do not archive!
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark & Kelly
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Throttle Quadrant Location
"I was at Van's last Friday and did the demo ride thing in N220RV"
Hello All,
This brings up a question that I have been wondering about for a while. For
all of you 10 builders, how many of you actually have time in a 10 either as
PIC or passenger? I am going to Oshkosh with the hopes of getting a chance
to demo one of the demonstrators. If I can't, I will visit the factory for
the ride. I have already decided on the 10, and from everyone's experience
with the plane and it's performance, etc., I know it is the right choice. I
was speaking to a friend / C-182 driver the other day & I told him I have
decided to go with an RV10. The first thing he asked was "How does it
fly?" I told him I haven't actually flown in one yet which he thought was a
little strange!
Thanks, Mark (Going with a 10 no matter what anyone says!)
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant Location |
My buddy, Terry Cole who died of a heart attack at age 52, hand carried my check
to Oshkosh 2003 and filed out orders #1 & #2 at Oshkosh for the RV-10. Both
of us had Flying RV-6A's at the time. In September 2003 at the Big Country Airfest
in Abilene, Texas, Terry and I both got to fly N710RV. Terry with his
wife and and naturally the Van's pilot Scott, then my wife and me with Scott.
Terry and I both thought that the RV-10 performed almost identical to our RV-6A's
with the exception of the back pressure on the stick because it was a lot bigger
airplane, which I found to be OK and not nearly the back pressure in my
three prior C-182's.
Scott wouldn't let me actually take off or land the 10 but I did get to follow
through with him on the stick. He wouldn't let me do a roll or loop either, dang
it!! He didn't even have laugh when I suggested a roll, and just frowned
at me when I said well I guess a loop is also out of the question.
I am sure prior RV owners like myself will miss not having the true fighter pilot
response to do loops and rolls but it still flies like an RV and that is miles
above everything else.
Anybody that has been flying a Cessna or Piper, etc., that gets a ride in an RV-10
is going to walk away with an RV Grin and wonder "how do I get my hands on
one".
Russ Daves
Fuselage on Gear
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark & Kelly
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Throttle Quadrant Location
"I was at Van's last Friday and did the demo ride thing in N220RV"
Hello All,
This brings up a question that I have been wondering about for a while. For
all of you 10 builders, how many of you actually have time in a 10 either as PIC
or passenger? I am going to Oshkosh with the hopes of getting a chance to
demo one of the demonstrators. If I can't, I will visit the factory for the ride.
I have already decided on the 10, and from everyone's experience with the
plane and it's performance, etc., I know it is the right choice. I was speaking
to a friend / C-182 driver the other day & I told him I have decided to go
with an RV10. The first thing he asked was "How does it fly?" I told him
I haven't actually flown in one yet which he thought was a little strange!
Thanks, Mark (Going with a 10 no matter what anyone says!)
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| Subject: | "Pop" rivets on fuel tank "Z" brackets |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
While pulling the AD42H blind rivets for the fuel tanks, the ones that go
through the "Z" brackets, I had a shank break off leaving a tail. The
rivet shank didn't break at the rivet head but left a "tail" that I ground
off. The rivet seemed to pull normally and was solid. Vans tech support
said this happens occasionally and as long as the head is formed properly
it's OK. Well, it's a blind rivet so how do you know if the head is formed
properly? Anyone else have this happen? About to finish the other tank and
would like some input....john
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant Location |
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| Subject: | Re: "Pop" rivets on fuel tank "Z" brackets |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
John,
Did you happen to see how much shank was in the tool after it broke off? If it
is just a bit shorter than the rest of the shanks it most likely set OK. I would
have left the protruding edge sticking out of the rivet head and bent it down
a little bit then sealed it with proseal to keep it in place. Those rivets
have sealed ends so there is no chance that the rivet shank can enter the tank.
One rivet in the Z-angle that is not completely set should not have an effect
on the entire structural matrix of the other brackets and the screws that hold
the tank to the wing spar. I would worry more about the rivet FODing out the
wing, that's why I suggest bending over and sealing it in for good.
Rick S.
40185
Waiting on the Fuselage.
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant Location |
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant Location |
Mark, My son-in-law and I both took demo rides during Sun-N-Fun. The
ride was too short, but I got to play a little with it. We blasted off
in 410RV, using very little runway and climbed to altitude and headed
nort, me as a captive passenger. We were in cruise configuration when I
took the controls. The ailerons and elevator are heavy on
full-speed-mode. The airplane is absolutely solid though, and if you're
in the bumpy's, the heavy controls are more stable. I did some turns
and then slowed her down to see how it would behave. The controls
loosen up as the airplane slows down and is controllable way into the
stall, which is really benign. The rudder is really effective fast or
slow. Like you, I'd buy a kit whether or not I had flown one or not.
My workshop is going up as we speak, and when I get it tricked out, I'll
order my kit. I'll probably go with knobs instead of quadrant. I'll
probably go for a glass panel and 'state of the art' avionics ...
radios, GPS, and autopilot. I figure it'll take us close to 2 years to
get her flying, and by then who know's what's going to be on the
market! Hardest part is deciding on the parts going into the panel
..... and I'm grateful for those who have already made examples.
Linn ...... Demo rides are too short!!!
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Mark & Kelly wrote:
> "I was at Van's last Friday and did the demo ride thing in N220RV"
>
> Hello All,
>
> This brings up a question that I have been wondering about for a
> while. For all of you 10 builders, how many of you actually have time
> in a 10 either as PIC or passenger? I am going to Oshkosh with the
> hopes of getting a chance to demo one of the demonstrators. If I
> can't, I will visit the factory for the ride. I have already decided
> on the 10, and from everyone's experience with the plane and it's
> performance, etc., I know it is the right choice. I was speaking to a
> friend / C-182 driver the other day & I told him I have decided to go
> with an RV10. The first thing he asked was "How does it fly?" I
> told him I haven't actually flown in one yet which he thought was a
> little strange!
>
> Thanks, Mark (Going with a 10 no matter what anyone says!)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuselage Vent Question - SV-1? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Byron Gillespie" <bgill1@charter.net>
Looking ahead a few chapters it calls for the SV-1 Side vent to be
applied. Is it included in the fuselage kit, finishing kit, or other? I
didn't see it in the parts listing for the fuselage so I'm posing the
question to those who have gone before....
Thanks,
Byron
Ready to rivet the fuselage side skins # 40253
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Vent Question - SV-1? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Finishing kit - I had the same question.
Bob
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Fuselage Vent Question - SV-1?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Byron Gillespie" <bgill1@charter.net>
Looking ahead a few chapters it calls for the SV-1 Side vent to be
applied. Is it included in the fuselage kit, finishing kit, or other? I
didn't see it in the parts listing for the fuselage so I'm posing the
question to those who have gone before....
Thanks,
Byron
Ready to rivet the fuselage side skins # 40253
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| Subject: | Fuselage Vent Question - SV-1? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Byron Gillespie" <bgill1@charter.net>
Thanks for the quick reply - at least I am not going totally crazy :-0
Byron
Ready to rivet the fuselage side skins # 40253
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuselage Vent Question - SV-1?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Finishing kit - I had the same question.
Bob
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<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Fuselage Vent Question - SV-1?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Byron Gillespie" <bgill1@charter.net>
Looking ahead a few chapters it calls for the SV-1 Side vent to be
applied. Is it included in the fuselage kit, finishing kit, or other? I
didn't see it in the parts listing for the fuselage so I'm posing the
question to those who have gone before....
Thanks,
Byron
Ready to rivet the fuselage side skins # 40253
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| Subject: | Re: "Pop" rivets on fuel tank "Z" brackets |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Rick,
Thanks for the reply. The rivet "pulled" the same as the rest and
"popped" at the same time but didn't break at the rivet head so I think it's
set. AC43.13 mentions self plugging rivets and talks about grinding and
filing the shanks to finish them so that's what I did. Prosealed over rivet
head and the leak check was OK. Ken at Van's says the cause is most likely
the rivet tool but I hadn't had any problem before. Just thought I may have
a bad batch of rivets but if nobody else is having this problem it probably
is the tool. May get another pop rivet tool and try it on the right
tank.......john
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| Subject: | Re: "Pop" rivets on fuel tank "Z" brackets |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Good deal,
All mine popped off without a hitch. Looks like problem solved. One thing, If anyone
has one of those swivel head pop rivet pullers, put a big screwdriver into
the hole on the back side of the tool directly behind the nose of the tool
and make sure the screw that holds all the guts into the tool is tight. Shoot
some LPS 1 or 2 into that hole and make sure the screw is tight. Mine flew came
off while riveting the flaps, hit me in the chest and I had to search for att
he parts (5 little pieces I think) I found the all and figured out how it went
back together and managed to GET it back together....took some head scratching.
Afet talking to several other builders it seems you should lube the mechanisim
every once in awhile and make sure that set screw is tight once in awhile...hmmmm
wish I had kept the instruction to see if I was negligent!!! either
way..consider yourself's informed.
Rick S.
40185
Wifuse
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant Location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
0 Time in airplane!
Working on Fuselage!
I do intend to have some transition training in an RV-10 prior to my first flight.
Jim C
#40192
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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Mark & Kelly" <eyedocs1@swbell.net>
"I was at Van's last Friday and did the demo ride thing in N220RV"
Hello All,
This brings up a question that I have been wondering about for a while. For all
of you 10 builders, how many of you actually have time in a 10 either as PIC
or passenger? I am going to Oshkosh with the hopes of getting a chance to demo
one of the demonstrators. If I can't, I will visit the factory for the ride.
I have already decided on the 10, and from everyone's experience with the
plane and it's performance, etc., I know it is the right choice. I was speaking
to a friend / C-182 driver the other day & I told him I have decided to go
with an RV10. The first thing he asked was "How does it fly?" I told him I
haven't actually flown in one yet which he thought was a little strange!
Thanks, Mark (Going with a 10 no matter what anyone says!)
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| Subject: | Painting Windshield before Laying Glass |
I've started to lay up the glass at the bottom of the windshield when I realized
that it looks pretty ugly looking out from the inside. I have forgotten to
paint it before laying the glass. I'm about 0.5" into the plexi and will need
to go about 1.5" more. What paint do people use on plexi? Any worries of the
glass sticking to the paint vice the plexi? Any suggestion for remedies on
the 0.5" at the bottom that I have already laid up the glass? Paint the inside?
That will be a challenging masking job.
Anh
#141
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| Subject: | "Pop" rivets on fuel tank "Z" brackets |
Funny you should say that about the rivet puller. I had the exact same thing happen
over the weekend. I was setting the rivets in the push/pull tube and all
of a sudden ping went the screw and spring. Luckily I saw them both go so I
was able to find them right away.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Wings (after OSH)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Pop" rivets on fuel tank "Z" brackets
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Good deal,
All mine popped off without a hitch. Looks like problem solved. One thing, If anyone
has one of those swivel head pop rivet pullers, put a big screwdriver into
the hole on the back side of the tool directly behind the nose of the tool
and make sure the screw that holds all the guts into the tool is tight. Shoot
some LPS 1 or 2 into that hole and make sure the screw is tight. Mine flew came
off while riveting the flaps, hit me in the chest and I had to search for att
he parts (5 little pieces I think) I found the all and figured out how it went
back together and managed to GET it back together....took some head scratching.
Afet talking to several other builders it seems you should lube the mechanisim
every once in awhile and make sure that set screw is tight once in awhile...hmmmm
wish I had kept the instruction to see if I was negligent!!! either
way..consider yourself's informed.
Rick S.
40185
Wifuse
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant Location |
I was out in Tacoma, WA last month and took a day to drive down to vans for a demo
in the -10. Ken Scott took me up in N220RV. We had a good stiff crosswind,
take off was uneventful, roll was plenty short, and since we were taking off
behind a Stearman, Ken waited a bit to prevent overtaking him on climb-out.
After we cleared the area, I took the controls and did some nice easy turns,
climbs, and a couple of stalls. The plan was very docile when stalling with
very minimal predictable buffeting. Recovery was very quick and easy, either
by applying power or dropping the nose just slightly. Honestly, it's been a long
time since I've had any pic time, and my hours are all in 152, 172, and 170's,
but I found the -10's handling to be responsive and comfortable.
So, I did have my mind already made up, but that demo cemented it!
Ken
Vans 40439 - Empenage arriving in 3 days!
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark & Kelly
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Throttle Quadrant Location
"I was at Van's last Friday and did the demo ride thing in N220RV"
Hello All,
This brings up a question that I have been wondering about for a while. For
all of you 10 builders, how many of you actually have time in a 10 either as PIC
or passenger? I am going to Oshkosh with the hopes of getting a chance to
demo one of the demonstrators. If I can't, I will visit the factory for the ride.
I have already decided on the 10, and from everyone's experience with the
plane and it's performance, etc., I know it is the right choice. I was speaking
to a friend / C-182 driver the other day & I told him I have decided to go
with an RV10. The first thing he asked was "How does it fly?" I told him
I haven't actually flown in one yet which he thought was a little strange!
Thanks, Mark (Going with a 10 no matter what anyone says!)
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| Subject: | Re: I really really want to build an airplane..... |
I am just trying to get caught up on some e-mail, and after seeing thought I would
confirm your possibility of "help". See the attached photo. I also have
one of her and mommy riveting, but this one is much cuter. :)
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"John R. Lewis" <john@aspzone.com> wrote:
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Ohhh boy.... I thought I had the sickness bad before. I went to the EAA airshow
up in Arlington, WA yesterday. After seeing the Vans line of experimental aircraft,
my wife is totally on-board with the idea of building our own aircraft.
It is a certainty that this will happen, probably in a couple of years. A few
things in our lives need to be finished first before we can take on a project
like this.
Premature RV-Grin http://aspzone.com/photos/john/picture1244.aspx
Rivet bucking help? http://aspzone.com/photos/john/picture1245.aspx
--Shawn
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