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1. 06:20 AM - Trim Cable Brackets (James Hein)
2. 07:44 AM - Re: Riveting wing skins (William Curtis)
3. 09:42 AM - Re: Rv10 speed (William Curtis)
4. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Rv10 speed (Tim Olson)
5. 10:11 AM - Performance Comparisons (John Jessen)
6. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Rv10 speed (linn walters)
7. 11:58 AM - Re: Trim Cable Brackets (Chris , Susie McGough)
8. 08:14 PM - Re: Trim Cable Brackets (DejaVu)
9. 08:22 PM - Re: Trim Cable Brackets (DejaVu)
10. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Riveting wing skins (DejaVu)
11. 08:49 PM - John Nys' RV-10 (Jesse Saint)
12. 09:00 PM - One hell of a gift...what a guy! (Tim Olson)
13. 09:59 PM - Re: One hell of a gift...what a guy! (John Erickson)
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| Subject: | Trim Cable Brackets |
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| Subject: | RE: Riveting wing skins |
Rick,
I think we are about the same place. I've completed one wing bottom skin and boy
was that a pain. That was the most difficult riveting so far in the entire
project. Even having a extra pair of hands didn't help much except for those
rivets around the flap hinge mounts. How did others rivet them? For a while
I was tempted to use MK-319-BS but then "manually" hammered it with the straight
rivet set supplied with the C-frame riveter. Wasn't pretty but it was effective.
Today, Saturday, I intend to complete the right outboard bottom skin.
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/07Wings/index8.html
William Curtis
#40237 - wings
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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>I'm burning 9-9.5gph right now in the Beech going 112Kts, so this will be a
>world of difference.
Man, that is awful. I burn 11 gph ROP in the Cardinal RG giving me a TAS of ~150
kts and if I want to save some gas, 9 gph LOP for a TAS of 138 kts at 6-8000
ft. For performance comparison sake, lets stay away from groundspeeds. For
those that are flying the 10s it should not be too difficult to feed the IAS,
PALT, OAT and heading into most GPS so that it can do a TAS calculation. Then
we can get an idea of true performance.
William
#40237 - wings
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Oh absolutely, it's not a great speed plane. It beats
almost anything, even the -10 by far for comfort and space though.
Although, your cardinal is also a pretty nice and roomy bird.
Just got a call from Randy on the ground for gas in Worthington
MN. They're going to delay because there's [Big] storms
going through right now for the next 10 minutes or so.
He plugged in his info into the Dynon during their last leg
and it was showing about 163KTS TAS, so 189mph or so on their
last leg at I believe 9500'. I don't know how close to full
throttle they were. Very respectable though.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
William Curtis wrote:
> >I'm burning 9-9.5gph right now in the Beech going 112Kts, so this will
> be a
> >world of difference.
>
> Man, that is awful. I burn 11 gph ROP in the Cardinal RG giving me a TAS
> of ~150 kts and if I want to save some gas, 9 gph LOP for a TAS of 138
> kts at 6-8000 ft. For performance comparison sake, lets stay away from
> groundspeeds. For those that are flying the 10s it should not be too
> difficult to feed the IAS, PALT, OAT and heading into most GPS so that
> it can do a TAS calculation. Then we can get an idea of true performance.
>
> William
> #40237 - wings
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Performance Comparisons |
For the flying -10s at OSH, I know that there will be all sorts of caveats,
but if you didn't do it on the way there, maybe you could do it on the way
back after the show, and that is to record your performance numbers at
prescribed altitudes, noting OAT, DA, winds, etc. Maybe we could begin an
RV-10 performance spreadsheet that could be tracked, perhaps on Tim's site,
such that the other (400 plus) of us still building could see effect of
engine, prop choice, etc, and thus better make up our minds as to which we
will choose. It would be great to begin now, and therefore someone out at
OSH would have to lead to get it coordinated, agree upon the altitudes, upon
the engine, prop settings, upon the other information needed to be recorded.
Some things will throw this all off, and that would be lack of wheel pants,
etc. But it's worth starting to record as we can now, refining it as we go.
.
John Jessen #40328 Rudder
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William Curtis wrote:
> >I'm burning 9-9.5gph right now in the Beech going 112Kts, so this
> will be a
> >world of difference.
>
> Man, that is awful. I burn 11 gph ROP in the Cardinal RG giving me a
> TAS of ~150 kts and if I want to save some gas, 9 gph LOP for a TAS of
> 138 kts at 6-8000 ft. For performance comparison sake, let's stay away
> from groundspeeds. For those that are flying the 10s it should not be
> too difficult to feed the IAS, PALT, OAT and heading into most GPS so
> that it can do a TAS calculation. Then we can get an idea of true
> performance.
And a MP reading would level the playing field!
Linn
do not archive
>
>
> William
> #40237 - wings
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Cable Brackets |
Interesting my bag had the same ...my number is 388. I don't now why they call
for pops there but on the elevators they also call for pops where the counterweight
skins contacts the main elevator skins. Don't know why as they are easy
to access.
Chris
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: James Hein
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 11:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Trim Cable Brackets
Is there any reason as to why they specift blind rivets on page 9-15, step 7
?? It would seem like a good place for normal rivets, since you can get to both
sides very easily.
-Jim 40384, Waiting on receiving K1100-06 nutplates (My kit came with K1000-06
in the bag for K1100-06, but Van's is sending replacements )
(Picture attached)
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Cable Brackets |
If I remember correctly, there were talks about this some time ago. You may want
to leave riveting the WD-415 brackets until after the HS is mounted on the
tailcone and the trim cables fed through it. Screw the brackets onto the cables.
Then rivet the brackets to the cover plates. The problem some people mentioned
was that the protruding cables are not long enough to allow turning the brackets
and cover plates onto the cables. You could probably rivet them in place
right now and let the servo end of the trim cables loose to allow them to
protrude further out of the HS. Mine are solid rivets. We'll see...
Anh
#141
----- Original Message -----
From: James Hein
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:16 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Trim Cable Brackets
Is there any reason as to why they specift blind rivets on page 9-15, step 7
?? It would seem like a good place for normal rivets, since you can get to both
sides very easily.
-Jim 40384, Waiting on receiving K1100-06 nutplates (My kit came with K1000-06
in the bag for K1100-06, but Van's is sending replacements )
(Picture attached)
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Cable Brackets |
I can imagine it would easy to mistaken K-1000 with K-1100, especially if you look
at these numbers all day long. My replacement also came in error. So it
took 3 times to get the correct ones.
Anh
#141
(on gear)
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris , Susie McGough
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trim Cable Brackets
Interesting my bag had the same ...my number is 388. I don't now why they call
for pops there but on the elevators they also call for pops where the counterweight
skins contacts the main elevator skins. Don't know why as they are easy
to access.
Chris
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: James Hein
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 11:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Trim Cable Brackets
Is there any reason as to why they specift blind rivets on page 9-15, step
7 ?? It would seem like a good place for normal rivets, since you can get to both
sides very easily.
-Jim 40384, Waiting on receiving K1100-06 nutplates (My kit came with K1000-06
in the bag for K1100-06, but Van's is sending replacements )
(Picture attached)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Riveting wing skins |
William,
It's all good. I think I left a few blood stains on the inside when I did mine.
The ones around the flap hinge brackets could've been a little further away
from the edges. I had to rivet them around one bracket after the entire wing
was completed. Imagine doing that with the push rod in place.
Anh
#141
(Fuse on gear - can't find egine mounting bolts)
----- Original Message -----
From: William Curtis
To: ricksked@earthlink.net ; RV10-List@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:41 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Riveting wing skins
Rick,
I think we are about the same place. I've completed one wing bottom skin and
boy was that a pain. That was the most difficult riveting so far in the entire
project. Even having a extra pair of hands didn't help much except for those
rivets around the flap hinge mounts. How did others rivet them? For a while I
was tempted to use MK-319-BS but then "manually" hammered it with the straight
rivet set supplied with the C-frame riveter. Wasn't pretty but it was effective.
Today, Saturday, I intend to complete the right outboard bottom skin.
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/07Wings/index8.html
William Curtis
#40237 - wings
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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I just went by and saw the first customer-built -10 flying today. It is
parked in the field right behind the Home-built vendors tents. For those
wondering how he did his tanks, he skipped a rib outboard of the main tank
and put another tank just like it (that space houses the stall warning tab).
He covered the main filler cap hole with a plate riveted in and has the
filler cap out at the end. I assume he has some type of rubber hose
connecting the two so the fuel just free-flows from the outboard tank to the
inboard. I also assume he has the vent running all the way out to the top
of the outboard tank (which should be obvious, or he would be draining fuel
everywhere when he filled up). He still isn't painted, but the workmanship
looks good. He used nut plates and screws to hold all of the tail section
fairings on instead of the pop rivets that the plans call for. I definitely
wish we had done this with our rudder bottom fairing because of the light.
Oh well, we just have some extra wire in there to allow us to pull the light
out and disconnect it.
It looks like he has a radio stack with a Garmin 430 and another NAV/COM and
he has a TruTrak ADI. Beyond that it looks pretty much like normal
instruments. Nice seats. He has floor carpet in. Headliner is just paint
over the fiberglass.
He has two commant style COM rod antennas on the top of the empennage along
with the ELT antenna. He has the V-shaped NAV antenna underneath the VS.
Marker Beacon is on the belly near the spar and the Transponder is the
little rod-with-a-ball style right behind the bottom cowl. He has an
Infinity Aerospace control yoke for the pilot's side and just a foam grip
with a single PTT on the right side.
I think he is in the special RV-10 row. Hopefully there will be several
more here in a couple of days. Ours is having a little trouble with one of
the cylinders, but we should be able to get it here still in the morning.
GOD BLESS!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | One hell of a gift...what a guy! |
Randy outdid himself this time in giving me a fantastic
gift. I think he's not as happy as I thought he was with
his RV-10, so he actually gave it to me, and flew it all
the way to my airport and stuck it in my hanger. Shown
in the photo below is Randy's beautiful RV-10, parked nicely
for the evening in my hanger. I dumped the Sundowner into
the FBO hanger for the night, as it's only right to put
the -10 where it belongs....in MY hanger. ;)
Thanks for the great gift Randy, you saved me about
1000 hours of building....a real QUICK build!
Tim
Or, I suppose there's the off chance that he'll maybe want
to take it with him tomorrow when he gets up to go to
OSH.... Now, if I can only find out how to lock his hotel
door from the outside....
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | One hell of a gift...what a guy! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Erickson" <Droopy@ericksonjc.com>
On the positive side, no tedious measuring of your hangar like you did
with your garage door. Unless you're doing some SERIOUS modding of the
kit, I'm guessing yours will fit just fine... :)
John
#40208 (staring at the deburred parts for the second fuel tank dreading
the proseal in 118 degree weather...)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: One hell of a gift...what a guy!
Randy outdid himself this time in giving me a fantastic gift. I think
he's not as happy as I thought he was with his RV-10, so he actually
gave it to me, and flew it all the way to my airport and stuck it in my
hanger. Shown in the photo below is Randy's beautiful RV-10, parked
nicely for the evening in my hanger. I dumped the Sundowner into the
FBO hanger for the night, as it's only right to put the -10 where it
belongs....in MY hanger. ;)
Thanks for the great gift Randy, you saved me about 1000 hours of
building....a real QUICK build!
Tim
Or, I suppose there's the off chance that he'll maybe want to take it
with him tomorrow when he gets up to go to OSH.... Now, if I can only
find out how to lock his hotel door from the outside....
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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