---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/30/05: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:30 AM - Re: Just back from Osh. () 2. 07:05 AM - Re: Just back from Osh. (Comcast) 3. 09:19 AM - Re: N410RV Demo Ride PIREP (Marcus Cooper) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:16 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: RV10-List: Just back from Osh. --> RV10-List message posted by: Randy, Thanks for the update, I look forward to a 2900nm flight in my machine one day. One question, was the fuel burn at 8,000 really 19.2?!!!!! The other numbers (12.5 & 10.5) make sense but Im hoping the other was a typo. Good luck with the aileron tweak, should be interesting to find out the impact it has on your speed. Thanks, Marcus -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Subject: RV10-List: Just back from Osh. I just returned 2 hours ago from Oshkosh and all went well. My wife and I spent the night in Helena Mt. and flew in the final leg this morning. What a traveling machine. I think in the 2900 hundred mile trip I only had the stick in my hand for 1 hours. The rest of the time it was being flown by the Digiflight II. I have the numbers that will be announced on my speed and some speeds from N410RV. The latest numbers for Vans plane is 208 mph One other builders numbers (cant remember who) were also 208 mph. Mine was only 198. Ken Kruger talked to me at Oshkosh and gave me the numbers. It was his thought that I may have a rigging problem with the ailerons. He was spot on. When we were flying back from Oshkosh I had plenty of time to inspect the alignment of the flaps and ailerons. The ailerons are or more low when the flaps are fully in the up position. I must not of had the flap all of the way up when I originally set the aileron alignment. Well I have already talk with Ken since I have gotten back and he said that it was a guess on his part but was glad to hear it was an easy fix. I will fly with him again after the adjustments are made and post the new speeds. By the way that was at 8000 ft adjusted altitude and 75 percent power. The fuel burn at the setting is about 19.2 gph. When we flew to and from Oshkosh I would say we averaged about 12.5 gph. And flew between 9500 and 13500 all the way. At 13500 we were burning about 10.5 gph. I wish I was still there. We had to come home for our 30th. High School Reunion. Randy Ps. Thanks Tim and Andrea for the nice time. Randy and Cheryl DeBauw ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:05 AM PST US From: "Comcast" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Just back from Osh. --> RV10-List message posted by: "Comcast" Yeah, PLEASE tell us that's a typo !! ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RE: RV10-List: Just back from Osh. > --> RV10-List message posted by: > > Randy, > Thanks for the update, I look forward to a 2900nm flight in my machine > one day. One question, was the fuel burn at 8,000' really 19.2?!!!!! The > other numbers (12.5 & 10.5) make sense but I'm hoping the other was a > typo. > > Good luck with the aileron tweak, should be interesting to find out the > impact it has on your speed. > > Thanks, > Marcus > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:29 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Just back from Osh. > > I just returned 2 hours ago from Oshkosh and all went well. My wife and I > spent the night in Helena Mt. and flew in the final leg this morning. > What a traveling machine. I think in the 2900 hundred mile trip I only had > the stick in my hand for 1 hours. The rest of the time it was being > flown by the Digiflight II. > > I have the numbers that will be announced on my speed and some speeds from > N410RV. The latest numbers for Vans plane is 208 mph One other builders > numbers (can't remember who) were also 208 mph. Mine was only 198. Ken > Kruger talked to me at Oshkosh and gave me the numbers. It was his > thought that I may have a rigging problem with the ailerons. He was spot > on. When we were flying back from Oshkosh I had plenty of time to inspect > the alignment of the flaps and ailerons. The ailerons are " or more low > when the flaps are fully in the up position. I must not of had the flap > all of the way up when I originally set the aileron alignment. Well I > have already talk with Ken since I have gotten back and he said that it > was a guess on his part but was glad to hear it was an easy fix. I will > fly with him again after the adjustments are made and post the new speeds. > By the way that was at 8000 ft adjusted altitude and 75 percent power. > The fuel burn at the setting is about 19.2 > gph. When we flew to and from Oshkosh I would say we averaged about 12.5 > gph. And flew between 9500 and 13500 all the way. At 13500 we were > burning about 10.5 gph. I wish I was still there. We had to come home > for our 30th. High School Reunion. Randy > > Ps. Thanks Tim and Andrea for the nice time. Randy and Cheryl DeBauw > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:55 AM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: N410RV Demo Ride PIREP Brian, Thanks for the words on your ride, too bad the demo pilot forgot the purpose of the flight and gave you such a poor ride. Regarding your comment "All in all a great plane for its mission and not much more than a Archer or a Dakota", don't forget you're comparing prices with a brand new airplane vs one that's 20-30+ years old. Marcus -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sponcil Subject: RV10-List: N410RV Demo Ride PIREP My wife and I took a demo ride in 410RV at OSH Wednesday morning. Here are a few impressions and notes from the ride. 1. If you have another option, don't take your demo ride at OSH. It's 40 minutes of taxi followed by a 10 minutes circle around lake Winnebago. Obviously Oregon is the best place but Sun-n-Fun would have been a better option IMHO. 2. Ken (Scott?) is not the greatest guy to take a ride with. He was quite visibly annoyed to have to give demo rides which doesn't do much for potential customers. It probably doesn't matter as demand for the kit is already high. Still, if I had been on the fence it would have swayed me the other way. 3. The engine sounded much like my friend's PA-28-235, very throaty. Of course they're nearly the same engine so that's not surprising. 4. Takeoff roll is VERY short. With 3 of us and presumably full tanks we were off in just a few hundred feet. 5. Climb rates of ~2000 fpm were pretty easy to achieve with just the 3 of us. 6. Controlling the plane via stick was very natural and the stick forces seemed well balanced. My buddy's Glasair has a pretty firm stick and is, at least to me, somewhat annoying. It takes some effort to move the stick and yet even the slightest movement turns into a 15 degree bank. I'm sure you'd get used to that but the RV10 just seemed a bit more pleasing. 7. Roll rate is pretty impressive for a 4 seat X-Country machine. Without much warning from Ken, we went 60 degrees left and then 60 degress right in the span of a second or two. Although this did little to impress the wife or myself, I bet it'd take the Warrior about 5-6 seconds to accomplish the same task. I'm sure the 7s and 8s are quicker but the 10 will do fine if you just want to scare your non-flying buddies. 8. The plane shakes like a wet dog at the stall. There's just no way you could mistake that for anything else. Also, despite what Sport Aviation says, the nose was pretty high. At the break, the plane fell through straight and recovery was a non-event. 9. I didn't get much out of the landing as he came in at 85-90MPH and held the nose off the ground for what seemed like 1500 feet. I asked him about it and Ken said he wouldn't normally land so hot but wanted to get back to the drop off point quickly. About the only thing I could say is that my Warrior would have started a slight porpoise landing that fast. 10. All in all a great plane for its mission and not much more than a Archer or a Dakota. Well, those are what I remember. Take them for what they are: non-scientific observations from a doofus. As someone else on this list says "your milage may vary." -Brian Iowa City, IA