Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:35 AM - Parts Not Lining Up (Russell Daves)
2. 05:04 AM - Re: Oshkosh info (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
3. 06:58 AM - Re: Oshkosh info (Chuck Jensen)
4. 07:11 AM - Precision Silver Hawk EX Fuel Injection. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
5. 09:04 AM - Re: Just back from Osh. (Nikolaos Napoli)
6. 09:07 AM - Priming of Steel Parts (Nikolaos Napoli)
7. 09:36 AM - Re: Precision Silver Hawk EX Fuel Injection. (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
8. 10:16 AM - Re: Priming of Steel Parts (Tim Olson)
9. 10:18 AM - Re: Precision Silver Hawk EX Fuel Injection. (Tim Olson)
10. 10:56 AM - OSH Awards (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
11. 11:19 AM - A question for Bob Condrey.... (Tim Olson)
12. 11:39 AM - Re: A question for Bob Condrey.... (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
13. 11:54 AM - Re: Just back from Osh. (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto)
14. 12:39 PM - Re: Just back from Osh. (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
15. 12:59 PM - Re: Oshkosh info (jdalton77)
16. 01:41 PM - Re: Just back from Osh. (Randy DeBauw)
17. 02:02 PM - Re: Precision Silver Hawk EX Fuel Injection. (Jim Combs)
18. 02:03 PM - Re: OSH Awards (Jim Combs)
19. 05:27 PM - Re: Just back from Osh. (Tim Lewis)
20. 09:39 PM - Re: Just back from Osh. (Randy DeBauw)
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| Subject: | Parts Not Lining Up |
Mark's post about R1004A/B parts not lining up, and his discovery that a bad batch
was made at Van's, should be something that all current and future RV-10 builders
remember.
Van's pre-punched CAD produced parts, unless there is a bad batch, should line
up perfectly every time on every part. If two parts don't line up and a builder
has double checked the plans and parts to insure they are being put together
correctly DON'T assume they are correct. First question ought to be could the
CAD machine have produced a bad batch. Mistakes happen, not only by the builder
but also by computer assisted drafting machines.
To date I have yet to find any mis-matches on my RV-10, which is sitting on the
main gear.
Russ Daves
#40044
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh info |
They told me they sold the 10 airframe. They seem to just keep changing
direction and not getting there.............. Been following them about 3 or
4
years now.
Doug Preston
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Innodyne, Affordable Turbines, et al...buyer beware and keep your
deposit in your pocket.
Chuck
Do Not Archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oshkosh info
--> RV10-List message posted by: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
Rode in the RV10 - awesome ride! Sat in the second demo plane -
interior is nicer but otherwise the same airframe.
Mistrial engines looked interesting but too low on power - same with the
Subaru's. Innodyne put on a good show but, well, we'll wait and see if
they show up to the party. Boy, that turbine sounded nice though!
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
stevenflys1@juno.com
Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh info
--> RV10-List message posted by: "stevenflys1@juno.com"
--> <stevenflys1@juno.com>
Hello All,
Unfortunately the rug was yanked out from under me this morning for
my trip to Oshkosh. The person covering my call today had a family
emergency and left town. Oh well. Anyone attending Oshkosh: any new
information from Deltahawk engines about their 200 HP or 300 HP light
engines? Any new news about Eggenfellnar's RV-10 engine? Any updates
about engines, avionics, or RV-10's from Oshkosh would be appreciated!
Thanks, Steven Morris Wannabe builder Do not archive
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| Subject: | Precision Silver Hawk EX Fuel Injection. |
I am currently in the process of finalizing the spec's for
my IO-540. I was thinking about upgrading from the Bendix Fuel
Injection to the Precision Silver Hawk Ex. If I do this, what would be
the actual kit number for the Silver Hawk EX for the IO-540 on the
RV-10. Which of the following would it be? The rotation is the part
I'm not sure of. Also, are any of the flying RV-10's using this Fuel
Injection system?
KIT #EX540-1
Application:
Lycoming O-540 and IO-540 parallel valve engines with 235-260 HP
Continental O-470 engines
Contains the following:
1ea Servo P/N 3015006-1 (See Note #1)
1ea Flow Divider P/N 3015004-1
6ea Nozzle P/N 2524864-2
=09
KIT #EX540-2
Application:
Lycoming O-540 and IO-540 parallel valve engines with 235-260 HP
Continental O-470 engines
Contains the following:
1ea Servo P/N 3015012-1 (See Note #2)
1ea Flow Divider P/N 3015004-1
6ea Nozzle P/N 2524864-2
=09
Note #2 -- Alternate Rotation Mixture
First option. This configuration is primarily aimed at Vans aircraft RV
installations.
Throttle shaft rotates counterclockwise from idle to full throttle when
viewed from the lever end.
Mixture shaft rotates counterclockwise from idle cut off to full rich
when viewed from the lever end.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
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| Subject: | Just back from Osh. |
Randy,
At 19.5 gph you only have a 3 hour range ~ 600 miles. Thats below the range numbers
that Van's is stating. Are you running at a high rpm? If you look at the
operating manual for the IO540, fuel consumption at the same power level varies
greatly with rpm. So if you want efficiency you need to stay at the lowest
rpm the operating manual allows you. During my talks with Aerosport they had
indicated that with the electronic ignition and low power settings (50% or
so) you would be under 10gph maybe around 9gph.
Niko
Randy DeBauw <Randy@abros.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw"
Nope, speed cost money. To run any engine it will use about .1 gal per HP. I have
a 260 hp engine and it will use 26 gph at full power. At 75% power 195 hp to
be exact you will use 19.5 gph roughly. At 55% power you will use about 14.5
per hour. That is the facts.
Now you don't get economy from flying at 8000 ft. at 75% power. You need to get
high 13,500 14,500 or higher or pull back to 55% or even 45% power. Your economy
will be much better like 11.5 or 10.5 gph. I was at 13,500 going to Oshkosh
and was traveling just fine with 3 RV4's at 10.5 ghp. Calculate into the cost
of the plane an OXY system of some kind and get some altitude. For local trips
I like to pull back the power to 19 in. or so and cruse along at 12.5 gph and
look out the window. I am sill traveling at 145 knots or so.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Comcast
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Comcast"
Yeah, PLEASE tell us that's a typo !!
----- Original Message -----
From: o
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
> --> RV10-List message posted by:
>
> Randy,
> Thanks for the update, I look forward to a 2900nm flight in my machine
> one day. One question, was the fuel burn at 8,000' really 19.2?!!!!! The
> other numbers (12.5 & 10.5) make sense but I'm hoping the other was a
> typo.
>
> Good luck with the aileron tweak, should be interesting to find out the
> impact it has on your speed.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
>
> I just returned 2 hours ago from Oshkosh and all went well. My wife and I
> spent the night in Helena Mt. and flew in the final leg this morning.
> What a traveling machine. I think in the 2900 hundred mile trip I only had
> the stick in my hand for 1 hours. The rest of the time it was being
> flown by the Digiflight II.
>
> I have the numbers that will be announced on my speed and some speeds from
> N410RV. The latest numbers for Vans plane is 208 mph One other builders
> numbers (can't remember who) were also 208 mph. Mine was only 198. Ken
> Kruger talked to me at Oshkosh and gave me the numbers. It was his
> thought that I may have a rigging problem with the ailerons. He was spot
> on. When we were flying back from Oshkosh I had plenty of time to inspect
> the alignment of the flaps and ailerons. The ailerons are " or more low
> when the flaps are fully in the up position. I must not of had the flap
> all of the way up when I originally set the aileron alignment. Well I
> have already talk with Ken since I have gotten back and he said that it
> was a guess on his part but was glad to hear it was an easy fix. I will
> fly with him again after the adjustments are made and post the new speeds.
> By the way that was at 8000 ft adjusted altitude and 75 percent power.
> The fuel burn at the setting is about 19.2
> gph. When we flew to and from Oshkosh I would say we averaged about 12.5
> gph. And flew between 9500 and 13500 all the way. At 13500 we were
> burning about 10.5 gph. I wish I was still there. We had to come home
> for our 30th. High School Reunion. Randy
>
> Ps. Thanks Tim and Andrea for the nice time. Randy and Cheryl DeBauw
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Priming of Steel Parts |
I am wondering what people are doing about priming the inside of the steel tubes
in the kit. These would be in the aileron and flap controls systems, landing
gear etc. IThe outside is powder coated, but is anyone priming the inside of
these tubes? If you are how? I am trying to decide on what to do myself.
Niko
40188
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| Subject: | Precision Silver Hawk EX Fuel Injection. |
Ray,
The Silverhawk EX isn't really an upgrade from the Bendix system - it's
the same thing but for experimental. As far as which part number - I'd
call one of the resellers like Mattituck to order and ask them. You
will probably get the same price but they'll include extras like the
engine driven fuel pump and a couple hoses that don't come with the kit
if you order straight from Precision.
The Silverhawk is what Aerosport puts on all of the engines that it
builds - there were 3 in their tent including Tim Olson's.
Bob #40105
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Subject: RV10-List: Precision Silver Hawk EX Fuel Injection.
I am currently in the process of finalizing the spec's for
my IO-540. I was thinking about upgrading from the Bendix Fuel
Injection to the Precision Silver Hawk Ex. If I do this, what would be
the actual kit number for the Silver Hawk EX for the IO-540 on the
RV-10. Which of the following would it be? The rotation is the part
I'm not sure of. Also, are any of the flying RV-10's using this Fuel
Injection system?
KIT #EX540-1
Application:
Lycoming O-540 and IO-540 parallel valve engines with 235-260 HP
Continental O-470 engines
Contains the following:
1ea Servo P/N 3015006-1 (See Note #1)
1ea Flow Divider P/N 3015004-1
6ea Nozzle P/N 2524864-2
KIT #EX540-2
Application:
Lycoming O-540 and IO-540 parallel valve engines with 235-260 HP
Continental O-470 engines
Contains the following:
1ea Servo P/N 3015012-1 (See Note #2)
1ea Flow Divider P/N 3015004-1
6ea Nozzle P/N 2524864-2
Note #2 -- Alternate Rotation Mixture
First option. This configuration is primarily aimed at Vans aircraft RV
installations.
Throttle shaft rotates counterclockwise from idle to full throttle when
viewed from the lever end.
Mixture shaft rotates counterclockwise from idle cut off to full rich
when viewed from the lever end.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
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| Subject: | Re: Priming of Steel Parts |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I sprayed them with primer just as all the other parts, but
flooded it in and then spun and shook it to distribute the
primer. It wouldn't be pretty inside,but it should be
covered at least. Cleaned with Acetone first.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
Nikolaos Napoli wrote:
> I am wondering what people are doing about priming the inside of the
> steel tubes in the kit. These would be in the aileron and flap controls
> systems, landing gear etc. IThe outside is powder coated, but is anyone
> priming the inside of these tubes? If you are how? I am trying to
> decide on what to do myself.
>
> Niko
> 40188
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| Subject: | Re: Precision Silver Hawk EX Fuel Injection. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Bart at Aerosport told me basically the same thing....Precision
bought Bendix, or the other way around, but either way, it's
basically the same stuff. I don't know how the rotation needs
to be, but I would guess that Bart would have had it built
properly, since they knew the system was for an RV-10.
Got the engine picked up from Aerosport Friday, and assembled
my engine hoist and pulled it out from my van Sunday. Man
it's nice to have that sitting in my garage. Hopefully it'll
be installed soon. Beautiful piece of machinery.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> Ray,
>
>
>
> The Silverhawk EX isnt really an upgrade from the Bendix system its
> the same thing but for experimental. As far as which part number Id
> call one of the resellers like Mattituck to order and ask them. You
> will probably get the same price but theyll include extras like the
> engine driven fuel pump and a couple hoses that dont come with the kit
> if you order straight from Precision.
>
>
>
> The Silverhawk is what Aerosport puts on all of the engines that it
> builds there were 3 in their tent including Tim Olsons.
>
>
>
> Bob #40105
>
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Doerr, Ray
> R [NTK]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2005 9:11 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Precision Silver Hawk EX Fuel Injection.
>
>
>
> I am currently in the process of finalizing the specs for
> my IO-540. I was thinking about upgrading from the Bendix Fuel
> Injection to the Precision Silver Hawk Ex. If I do this, what would be
> the actual kit number for the Silver Hawk EX for the IO-540 on the
> RV-10. Which of the following would it be? The rotation is the part
> Im not sure of. Also, are any of the flying RV-10s using this Fuel
> Injection system?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *KIT #EX540-1*
>
> Application:
>
>
>
> Lycoming O-540 and IO-540 parallel valve engines with 235-260 HP
>
>
>
>
>
> Continental O-470 engines
>
> Contains the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> 1ea Servo P/N 3015006-1 (See Note #1)
>
>
>
>
>
> 1ea Flow Divider P/N 3015004-1
>
>
>
>
>
> 6ea Nozzle P/N 2524864-2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> * *
>
> *KIT #EX540-2*
>
> Application:
>
>
>
> Lycoming O-540 and IO-540 parallel valve engines with 235-260 HP
>
>
>
>
>
> Continental O-470 engines
>
> Contains the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> 1ea Servo P/N 3015012-1 (See Note #2)
>
>
>
>
>
> 1ea Flow Divider P/N 3015004-1
>
>
>
>
>
> 6ea Nozzle P/N 2524864-2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> * *
>
> Note #2 -- Alternate Rotation Mixture
>
> First option. This configuration is primarily aimed at Vans aircraft RV
> installations.
>
>
>
> Throttle shaft rotates *counterclockwise* from idle to full throttle
> when viewed from the lever end.
>
>
>
> Mixture shaft rotates *counterclockwise* from idle cut off to full rich
> when viewed from the lever end.
>
> * *
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You
> *Ray Doerr*
> 40250
>
>
>
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I just saw that both Colorado RV-10s took home awards:
OUTSTANDING WORKMANSHIP - KIT BUILT
Larry Feldhousen, Burlington, CO - RV-10, N104LJ
BRONZE LINDY KIT BUILT
John Stewart, Burlington, CO - RV-10, N104ME
http://www.airventure.org/2005/sunjuly31/awards.html
Congratulations to both - planes were beautiful!
Bob #40105
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| Subject: | A question for Bob Condrey.... |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Just priming the pump so you all can enjoy....
So Bob, tell us how your Right seat flight in the Ford
Trimotor went.... ;)
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | A question for Bob Condrey.... |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Ok, if you insist...
It was spectacular! I now have some Trimotor time in NC8407 for my
logbook - pilot gave me the controls at about 400 AGL and I flew it
until just before downwind for landing on 9. Total time as sole
manipulator of the controls was .4 hours. Definitely one of those once
in a lifetime events!
For those that weren't around Friday - I won the right seat ride in a
silent auction at a fundraiser Thursday night. Getting to actually fly
the plane was an unexpected surprise!
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: A question for Bob Condrey....
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Just priming the pump so you all can enjoy....
So Bob, tell us how your Right seat flight in the Ford
Trimotor went.... ;)
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Just back from Osh. |
Hmm, if Innodyn is really pulling off 7 gph/100hp it's not looking so bad anymore
with 18.2 gph at 260hp. Of course you can forget insurance with an experimental
turbine.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 wings
-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Nope, speed cost money. To run any engine it will use about .1 gal per HP. I have
a 260 hp engine and it will use 26 gph at full power. At 75% power 195 hp
to be exact you will use 19.5 gph roughly. At 55% power you will use about 14.5
per hour. That is the facts.
Now you don't get economy from flying at 8000 ft. at 75% power. You need to get
high 13,500 14,500 or higher or pull back to 55% or even 45% power. Your economy
will be much better like 11.5 or 10.5 gph. I was at 13,500 going to Oshkosh
and was traveling just fine with 3 RV4's at 10.5 ghp. Calculate into the cost
of the plane an OXY system of some kind and get some altitude. For local trips
I like to pull back the power to 19 in. or so and cruse along at 12.5 gph
and look out the window. I am sill traveling at 145 knots or so.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Comcast
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Comcast" <kenbpeck@comcast.net>
Yeah, PLEASE tell us that's a typo !!
----- Original Message -----
From: <coop85@bellsouth.net>o
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
> --> RV10-List message posted by: <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> Randy,
> Thanks for the update, I look forward to a 2900nm flight in my machine
> one day. One question, was the fuel burn at 8,000' really 19.2?!!!!! The
> other numbers (12.5 & 10.5) make sense but I'm hoping the other was a
> typo.
>
> Good luck with the aileron tweak, should be interesting to find out the
> impact it has on your speed.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
>
> I just returned 2 hours ago from Oshkosh and all went well. My wife and I
> spent the night in Helena Mt. and flew in the final leg this morning.
> What a traveling machine. I think in the 2900 hundred mile trip I only had
> the stick in my hand for 1 =BD hours. The rest of the time it was being
> flown by the Digiflight II.
>
> I have the numbers that will be announced on my speed and some speeds from
> N410RV. The latest numbers for Vans plane is 208 mph One other builders
> numbers (can't remember who) were also 208 mph. Mine was only 198. Ken
> Kruger talked to me at Oshkosh and gave me the numbers. It was his
> thought that I may have a rigging problem with the ailerons. He was spot
> on. When we were flying back from Oshkosh I had plenty of time to inspect
> the alignment of the flaps and ailerons. The ailerons are =BC" or more low
> when the flaps are fully in the up position. I must not of had the flap
> all of the way up when I originally set the aileron alignment. Well I
> have already talk with Ken since I have gotten back and he said that it
> was a guess on his part but was glad to hear it was an easy fix. I will
> fly with him again after the adjustments are made and post the new speeds.
> By the way that was at 8000 ft adjusted altitude and 75 percent power.
> The fuel burn at the setting is about 19.2
> gph. When we flew to and from Oshkosh I would say we averaged about 12.5
> gph. And flew between 9500 and 13500 all the way. At 13500 we were
> burning about 10.5 gph. I wish I was still there. We had to come home
> for our 30th. High School Reunion. Randy
>
> Ps. Thanks Tim and Andrea for the nice time. Randy and Cheryl DeBauw
>
>
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You can also probably forget what their publishing until they put out some real
life numbers - they've been flying in at least 1 factory owned 2 place RV for
over a year and have yet to publish real HP, fuel burn & speed info. Not saying
that their claims are false, just that proof hasn't been published yet.
Bob #40105
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
Hmm, if Innodyn is really pulling off 7 gph/100hp it's not looking so bad anymore
with 18.2 gph at 260hp. Of course you can forget insurance with an experimental
turbine.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Nope, speed cost money. To run any engine it will use about .1 gal per HP. I have
a 260 hp engine and it will use 26 gph at full power. At 75% power 195 hp
to be exact you will use 19.5 gph roughly. At 55% power you will use about 14.5
per hour. That is the facts.
Now you don't get economy from flying at 8000 ft. at 75% power. You need to get
high 13,500 14,500 or higher or pull back to 55% or even 45% power. Your economy
will be much better like 11.5 or 10.5 gph. I was at 13,500 going to Oshkosh
and was traveling just fine with 3 RV4's at 10.5 ghp. Calculate into the cost
of the plane an OXY system of some kind and get some altitude. For local trips
I like to pull back the power to 19 in. or so and cruse along at 12.5 gph
and look out the window. I am sill traveling at 145 knots or so.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Comcast
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Comcast" <kenbpeck@comcast.net>
Yeah, PLEASE tell us that's a typo !!
----- Original Message -----
From: <coop85@bellsouth.net>o
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
> --> RV10-List message posted by: <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> Randy,
> Thanks for the update, I look forward to a 2900nm flight in my machine
> one day. One question, was the fuel burn at 8,000' really 19.2?!!!!! The
> other numbers (12.5 & 10.5) make sense but I'm hoping the other was a
> typo.
>
> Good luck with the aileron tweak, should be interesting to find out the
> impact it has on your speed.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
>
> I just returned 2 hours ago from Oshkosh and all went well. My wife and I
> spent the night in Helena Mt. and flew in the final leg this morning.
> What a traveling machine. I think in the 2900 hundred mile trip I only had
> the stick in my hand for 1 =BD hours. The rest of the time it was being
> flown by the Digiflight II.
>
> I have the numbers that will be announced on my speed and some speeds from
> N410RV. The latest numbers for Vans plane is 208 mph One other builders
> numbers (can't remember who) were also 208 mph. Mine was only 198. Ken
> Kruger talked to me at Oshkosh and gave me the numbers. It was his
> thought that I may have a rigging problem with the ailerons. He was spot
> on. When we were flying back from Oshkosh I had plenty of time to inspect
> the alignment of the flaps and ailerons. The ailerons are =BC" or more low
> when the flaps are fully in the up position. I must not of had the flap
> all of the way up when I originally set the aileron alignment. Well I
> have already talk with Ken since I have gotten back and he said that it
> was a guess on his part but was glad to hear it was an easy fix. I will
> fly with him again after the adjustments are made and post the new speeds.
> By the way that was at 8000 ft adjusted altitude and 75 percent power.
> The fuel burn at the setting is about 19.2
> gph. When we flew to and from Oshkosh I would say we averaged about 12.5
> gph. And flew between 9500 and 13500 all the way. At 13500 we were
> burning about 10.5 gph. I wish I was still there. We had to come home
> for our 30th. High School Reunion. Randy
>
> Ps. Thanks Tim and Andrea for the nice time. Randy and Cheryl DeBauw
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
No word on it. They were showing a super cub and an
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oshkosh info
--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
How far along is Innodyne's demo -10, did they say? They have the
airframe since April. Anh #141 (On gear/Engine's hung)
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oshkosh info
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
>
> Rode in the RV10 - awesome ride! Sat in the second demo plane -
> interior is nicer but otherwise the same airframe.
>
> Mistrial engines looked interesting but too low on power - same with
> the Subaru's. Innodyne put on a good show but, well, we'll wait and
> see if they show up to the party. Boy, that turbine sounded nice
> though!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> stevenflys1@juno.com
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:20 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh info
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "stevenflys1@juno.com"
> --> <stevenflys1@juno.com>
>
>
> Hello All,
> Unfortunately the rug was yanked out from under me this morning
> for my trip to Oshkosh. The person covering my call today had a
> family emergency and left town. Oh well. Anyone attending Oshkosh:
> any new information from Deltahawk engines about their 200 HP or 300
> HP light engines? Any new news about Eggenfellnar's RV-10 engine?
> Any updates about engines, avionics, or RV-10's from Oshkosh would be
> appreciated! Thanks, Steven Morris Wannabe builder Do not archive
>
>
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Vans does all tests at 2500 rpm. I was getting between 9.5 and 10.5 at 45% power
on the way to Oshkosh. The power chart for the IO540 that Tim put on his site
shows a fuel burn of 10 to 12 gph at 55%. Your 50% is in line with what Aero
Sport told you. Your speed will down as well. Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nikolaos Napoli
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
Randy,
At 19.5 gph you only have a 3 hour range ~ 600 miles. Thats below the range numbers
that Van's is stating. Are you running at a high rpm? If you look at the
operating manual for the IO540, fuel consumption at the same power level varies
greatly with rpm. So if you want efficiency you need to stay at the lowest
rpm the operating manual allows you. During my talks with Aerosport they had
indicated that with the electronic ignition and low power settings (50% or
so) you would be under 10gph maybe around 9gph.
Niko
Randy DeBauw <Randy@abros.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw"
=09
Nope, speed cost money. To run any engine it will use about .1 gal per
HP. I have a 260 hp engine and it will use 26 gph at full power. At 75% power
195 hp to be exact you will use 19.5 gph roughly. At 55% power you will use about
14.5 per hour. That is the facts.
Now you don't get economy from flying at 8000 ft. at 75% power. You need
to get high 13,500 14,500 or higher or pull back to 55% or even 45% power. Your
economy will be much better like 11.5 or 10.5 gph. I was at 13,500 going to
Oshkosh and was traveling just fine with 3 RV4's at 10.5 ghp. Calculate into
the cost of the plane an OXY system of some kind and get some altitude. For local
trips I like to pull back the power to 19 in. or so and cruse along at 12.5
gph and look out the window. I am sill traveling at 145 knots or so.
=09
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Comcast
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 7:04 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
=09
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Comcast"
=09
Yeah, PLEASE tell us that's a typo !!
----- Original Message -----
From: o
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
=09
=09
> --> RV10-List message posted by:
>
> Randy,
> Thanks for the update, I look forward to a 2900nm flight in my machine
> one day. One question, was the fuel burn at 8,000' really 19.2?!!!!!
The
> other numbers (12.5 & 10.5) make sense but I'm hoping the other was a
> typo.
>
> Good luck with the aileron tweak, should be interesting to find out the
> impact it has on your speed.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
>
> I just returned 2 hours ago from Oshkosh and all went well. My wife and
I
> spent the night in Helena Mt. and flew in the final leg this morning.
> What a traveling machine. I think in the 2900 hundred mile trip I only
had
> the stick in my hand for 1 =BD hours. The rest of the time it was being
> flown by the Digiflight II.
>
> I have the numbers that will be announced on my speed and some speeds
from
> N410RV. The latest numbers for Vans plane is 208 mph One other builders
> numbers (can't remember who) we re also 208 mph. Mine was only 198. Ken
> Kruger talked to me at Oshkosh and gave me the numbers. It was his
> thought that I may have a rigging problem with the ailerons. He was spot
> on. When we were flying back from Oshkosh I had plenty of time to inspect
> the alignment of the flaps and ailerons. The ailerons are =BC" or more
low
> when the flaps are fully in the up position. I must not of had the flap
> all of the way up when I originally set the aileron alignment. Well I
> have already talk with Ken since I have gotten back and he said that
it
> was a guess on his part but was glad to hear it was an easy fix. I will
> fly with him again after the adjustments are made and post the new speeds.
> By the way that was at 8000 ft adjusted altitude and 75 percent power.
> The fuel burn at the setting is about 19.2
> gph. When we flew to and from Oshkosh I would say we averaged about 12.5
> gph. A nd flew
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
I am envious! It is a thing of beauty though!
Enjoy!
Jim C
#40192
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Bart at Aerosport told me basically the same thing....Precision
bought Bendix, or the other way around, but either way, it's
basically the same stuff. I don't know how the rotation needs
to be, but I would guess that Bart would have had it built
properly, since they knew the system was for an RV-10.
Got the engine picked up from Aerosport Friday, and assembled
my engine hoist and pulled it out from my van Sunday. Man
it's nice to have that sitting in my garage. Hopefully it'll
be installed soon. Beautiful piece of machinery.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Yes, Both were very nicely done!
Congratulations!
Jim C
#40192
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I just saw that both Colorado RV-10s took home awards:
OUTSTANDING WORKMANSHIP - KIT BUILT
Larry Feldhousen, Burlington, CO - RV-10, N104LJ
BRONZE LINDY KIT BUILT
John Stewart, Burlington, CO - RV-10, N104ME
http://www.airventure.org/2005/sunjuly31/awards.html
Congratulations to both - planes were beautiful!
Bob #40105
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| Subject: | Re: Just back from Osh. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Lewis <Tim_Lewis@msm.umr.edu>
> Nope, speed cost money. To run any engine it will use about .1 gal per
> HP. I have a 260 hp engine and it will use 26 gph at full power. At 75%
> power 195 hp to be exact you will use 19.5 gph roughly. At 55% power you
> will use about 14.5 per hour. That is the facts.
This appears to contradict the Lycoming operator's manual for the IO-540.
The Lycoming operator's manual for the IO-540, page 3-35, shows that at
75% power, leaned to best economy (peak EGT), the fuel burn is between
13.6 and 14.9 gph, depending on engine RPM. At 75% power leaned to best
power (150 degrees rich of peak EGT) the fuel flow is shown between 15.8
and 17.4 gph, depending on RPM. This is for an IO-540-D (or -N, -R, -T,
-V), 8.5:1 compression, Bendix injection, manual leaning.
You can see the Lycoming operating manual page at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~timrv6a/engine/fuel_flow.pdf> .
As far as I know, these numbers are valid regardless of altitude,
depending only on leaning technique and engine RPM.
Randy, what leaning technique did you use? I wonder if leaning
technique helps explain the significantly higher than expected fuel burn
you reported at 75% power.
Tim
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 760 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Well I leaned to peak power which according to Lycoming's "Key Reprints"
on page 41 second column shows that peek power is 100 deg rich of peek
egt. That is what we ran to do the tests. I also re-read the key
reprints again and found out that as long as you are at 75% power or
below you can lean to peek egt and in fact they recommend running at
peek egt if you are looking for best fuel economy. I have not been
running the engine at peek egt. I have been running at 50 deg rich to
150 deg rich of peek. I will be going on a trip this weekend that should
take 1.5 hours to get there. I will report back my cruise speed and gph
when I get back. Also I will report back any thing I notice after the
re-adjustment of the ailerons. I talked to someone today that told me
that it is an old trick to raise the ailerons above the flaps by about
3/16" to gain speed. I can't wait to get the new numbers.
First reports from someone with a MT Prop was not that good. Stay
tuned. Everyone that I have talked to that changed to a 3 blade prop
said that it was smoother and climbed better but that it was slower.
That seems to be holding up. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lewis
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Just back from Osh.
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Lewis <Tim_Lewis@msm.umr.edu>
> Nope, speed cost money. To run any engine it will use about .1 gal
per
> HP. I have a 260 hp engine and it will use 26 gph at full power. At
75%
> power 195 hp to be exact you will use 19.5 gph roughly. At 55% power
you
> will use about 14.5 per hour. That is the facts.
This appears to contradict the Lycoming operator's manual for the
IO-540.
The Lycoming operator's manual for the IO-540, page 3-35, shows that at
75% power, leaned to best economy (peak EGT), the fuel burn is between
13.6 and 14.9 gph, depending on engine RPM. At 75% power leaned to best
power (150 degrees rich of peak EGT) the fuel flow is shown between 15.8
and 17.4 gph, depending on RPM. This is for an IO-540-D (or -N, -R, -T,
-V), 8.5:1 compression, Bendix injection, manual leaning.
You can see the Lycoming operating manual page at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~timrv6a/engine/fuel_flow.pdf> .
As far as I know, these numbers are valid regardless of altitude,
depending only on leaning technique and engine RPM.
Randy, what leaning technique did you use? I wonder if leaning
technique helps explain the significantly higher than expected fuel burn
you reported at 75% power.
Tim
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RV-6A N47TD -- 760 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
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