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1. 12:59 AM - Re: Rudder Trailing Edge (John Jessen)
2. 04:48 AM - Re: IO540 experimental engine (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
3. 06:41 AM - Flap adjustment (Randy's Abros mail)
4. 07:11 AM - Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Kent Forsythe)
5. 08:29 AM - Alternator Physical Size for the -10 (Tim Olson)
6. 08:29 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (stevenflys1@juno.com)
7. 08:34 AM - Re: Alternator Physical Size for the -10 (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
8. 08:36 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Mark & Kelly)
9. 08:50 AM - Re: For Tim Olson (Mark & Kelly)
10. 09:07 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
11. 09:13 AM - Re: For Tim Olson (Dan Checkoway)
12. 09:13 AM - Re: For Tim Olson (Tim Olson)
13. 09:18 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Tim Olson)
14. 09:19 AM - Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
15. 09:19 AM - Re: For Tim Olson (Tim Olson)
16. 09:37 AM - Re: For Tim Olson (linn walters)
17. 09:47 AM - Re: Alternator Physical Size for the -10 (Tim Olson)
18. 09:55 AM - Re: Alternator Physical Size for the -10 (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
19. 10:13 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Scott Schmidt)
20. 11:20 AM - Thanks on the EFIS Info (Kent Forsythe)
21. 11:32 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Tim Olson)
22. 02:23 PM - Re: Thanks on the EFIS Info (Jesse Saint)
23. 02:38 PM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Jesse Saint)
24. 03:02 PM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (John Jessen)
25. 03:03 PM - Re: One hell of a gift...what a guy! (Wentz, Don)
26. 03:24 PM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Scott Schmidt)
27. 03:28 PM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Scott Schmidt)
28. 03:54 PM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (John Jessen)
29. 03:57 PM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
30. 05:28 PM - Cold air induction????? (Mani Ravee)
31. 05:47 PM - Re: Cold air induction????? (linn walters)
32. 07:01 PM - Re: Cold air induction????? (Dan Checkoway)
33. 08:27 PM - Re: For Tim Olson (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
34. 08:37 PM - Re: Cold air induction????? (William Curtis)
35. 08:50 PM - Re: For Tim Olson (Mark)
36. 09:05 PM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Larry Rosen)
37. 09:25 PM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Kevin Echols)
38. 09:48 PM - Fw: Important Wash D.C. ADIZ update (DejaVu)
39. 09:48 PM - Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup (DejaVu)
40. 10:30 PM - Re: Cold air induction????? (John W. Cox)
41. 11:12 PM - Re: Re: Cold air induction????? (Dan Checkoway)
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| Subject: | Rudder Trailing Edge |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Well, long story short, the trailing edge of the rudder is now straight.
For those who have not yet gotten to the rudder or who might run across this
on other trailing edges, don't sweat it as much as I did. It's pretty easy
to straighten out.
First of all, my bow was at the top of the rudder. Laying a yard long
straight edge on the side of the rudder from where the bow turned away,
there was a 3/16 to 1/4 inch gap between the edge of the rule and the edge
of the rudder. The bow in the trailing edge actually began 10 rivets down
the rudder from the top. I placed a mark on that rivet and set up the
mushroom rivet set to do the final rivet setting per the plans. I began
three rivets down from the mark, the 13th or 14th rivet down from the top,
setting each rivet and working my way up to the top, not skipping around at
all. The intent was to move up the row of rivets until the edge
straightened out, if it did, and only then begin random setting.
It worked just fine. After setting about five rivets the bow was almost
gone. One more rivet did the trick. I then set the rest of the rivets in a
pseudo random fashion, checking the edge every fifth rivet.
My advice to those moving towards this part of the plans is to check out how
the folks were able to build their trailing edge using a long piece of angle
iron as a back rivet plate for the entire edge. Plus I'd alternate the
direction of the rivets. That has got to help keep the forces balanced. I
liked using the proseal, but it does slow you down while it dries. Of
course there are so many other things to do that you can easily put the
rudder aside for two days.
Again, many thanks for the positive and helpful suggestions. HS next.
Well, almost.
John Jessen
#328 Rudder
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rudder Trailing Edge
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Thanks, everyone, for your input. I will go to the hanger tonight and see
if I can get a measurement on how bad the bowing actually is and will report
back. I didn't do anything last night just so I could calm down. Went out
instead and had dinner with some distant relatives who were in town
visiting. Stayed away from the topic of airplanes.
Van's answered my question to them on this topic thusly...
= = = = = =
John,
Getting a slight bend in the trailing edge is only an esthetic thing not an
aerodynamic thing. If the bend is slight, I would leave it alone. You will
do more harm than good drilling out the rivets and breaking loose the tank
sealant. It may get straighter when you finish riveting. If it doesn't and
you can live with a slight bow, just move on.
Bruce Reynolds
brucer@vansaircraft.com
= = = = =
I replied with another question, namely wouldn't the bow effect trim? We'll
see what comes back.
John Jessen
(#328, Rudder)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rudder Trailing Edge
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Run a string line down the trailing edge, Van's says to stay within 1/16" of
an inch. I recommend playing with putting a dowel under the high spot of the
hook which I interpret as a "bow" in the edge. Place the trailing edge with
the bow deflection or as you look at it so, "it smiles not frowns at you" on
a flat surface such as your back rivet plate. Put the dowel I find 3/4" or
larger under the lowest part or top of the radius of the hook/bow. Take your
time and work the piece by HAND, slowly applying pressure and moving the
dowel as you go. The aluminum assembly is flexible and you will have to
exceed what seems to be an amount that would make the edge go the other way
to far...hence SLOW. I had a simlilar instance on my flap...very slight.
Work the trailing edge with your hand pressure a little at a time a small
wood block works well too...you can work it out. For those who have not had
much experience manipulating aluminum it is very resilient, up to a point,
it likes s!
low steady pressure to give way, push it to hard and fast or use brute
force, it will snap, crack and split. With small pressures against the bend
you should be able to work it out, More that 1/4" will take some finesse,
post a photo, if your near Las Vegas I could show you the technique, I'll
step out of a PC explaination and tell ya....go at it like it's your best
gal....slow and easy....little at a time....it will work.
Rick S.
40185
Waiting on the Fuse delivery
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| Subject: | IO540 experimental engine |
This sounds suspiciously like the Lycoming announced engine at EAA. Glad to see
they really aren't selling it for 38k.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IO540 experimental engine
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
No C'mon Robert....we don't need to be spreading that kind of news around...it's
only going to hurt the feelings of people like me who just got a rebuilt engine
for less
than $1,000 less. If you see any more of these low-priced
new engines, just keep them to yourself. ** Just kidding,
of course ** ;)
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Robert wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Robert
> --> <retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> Just received this link through the SERV (Southeast RV Squadron) site.
> The first of many I
> hope:
>
> http://www.mattituck.com/tmx540.htm
>
> Robert Vinroot
> #40343 (fuselage)
>
>
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I received the information from Ken Kruger on the full up position of the
flaps. The flaps trailing edge should be up 3/16" above the fuse in the
full up position. My left flap was in that position but the right flap hit
before the flap would get that high. You can either deform the leading edge
a little or take some material off of the rear spar doublers to get it to
raise more. I have readjusted the ailerons to be even with the flaps in the
now full up position. I have test frown the plane but not speed tested it
yet. I will keep you posted as to the changes. Randy
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
Does anyone have any experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS (Lite or Sport) and
the autopilot option that they also sell? Compared to stand-alone autopilots,
the addon to the Blue Mountain seems very low priced given the advertised capabilities
(ie. two axis, GPS flight plan tracking, etc.).
I'm curious if anyone knows any drawbacks of the system or has experience they'd
like to share. At a first look, it seems as though you could get the EFIS/Lite
and the autopilot complete with servos for around $6,000.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
PS. Randy D., it was great getting to meet you and your wife Monday at OSH. Your
10 looks great.
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| Subject: | Alternator Physical Size for the -10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hey guys,
I inquired with Randy about how physically big his alternator
was. He had a larger one but ended up getting a smaller one
due to clearance issues.
At OSH I found a larger and smaller one that I liked
from the same company (more on that later). They made
a 70A that was pretty much the same size as a car alternator,
and a 60A that was smaller. They said the RV's often have
clearance issues with the larger alternators, but didn't
know if that was true about the -10.
I had hoped to get the larger one, not for the capacity, but
because it turns over 1000 RPM slower and would run cooler.
Can anyone who's fit their cowl verify what they have for size
and how it fits? There were 2 measurements that were kind of
critical. 1) The alternator pulley diameter, and 2) the distance
from the large pulley on the flywheel to the furthest out point
on the pulley on the alternator.
If anyone has a convenient way to measure these, it would be
great to post the distances. When I find out which will fit,
I'll post some specs and info so the question is easier to answer
in the future.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "stevenflys1@juno.com" <stevenflys1@juno.com>
I saw a Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot on E-bay a few months back. I e-mailed
the gentleman selling the set. After several e-mails and some badgering he finally
admitted that the attitude indicator was too slow matching the turns/climbs/etc
with the steam gauge gyroscope (there is a word for this but I can't
think of it without my morning coffee). He also admitted that the autopilot would
porpoise to the point that he could not use it regularly. He said the Blue
Mountain has the best graphics, but beyond that the system needs work to be
useful. That was the reason he yanked it out of his airplane and re-did his
panel. Again, this was probably six months ago so they might have improved their
product. I personally will pass after his review. Hope that helps,
Steven J Morris
Wannabe builder
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| Subject: | Alternator Physical Size for the -10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Good point. If anyone has already fitted a B&C 60A alternator, chime in on how
the fit is. I'm presuming it's fine . . . I hope!
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Alternator Physical Size for the -10
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hey guys,
I inquired with Randy about how physically big his alternator
was. He had a larger one but ended up getting a smaller one
due to clearance issues.
At OSH I found a larger and smaller one that I liked
from the same company (more on that later). They made
a 70A that was pretty much the same size as a car alternator,
and a 60A that was smaller. They said the RV's often have
clearance issues with the larger alternators, but didn't
know if that was true about the -10.
I had hoped to get the larger one, not for the capacity, but
because it turns over 1000 RPM slower and would run cooler.
Can anyone who's fit their cowl verify what they have for size
and how it fits? There were 2 measurements that were kind of
critical. 1) The alternator pulley diameter, and 2) the distance
from the large pulley on the flywheel to the furthest out point
on the pulley on the alternator.
If anyone has a convenient way to measure these, it would be
great to post the distances. When I find out which will fit,
I'll post some specs and info so the question is easier to answer
in the future.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark & Kelly" <eyedocs1@swbell.net>
Kent,
I did alot of the research you are doing now a while back. These are a few
of my observations. (Take them for what they're worth!)
PROS:
--Incredible terrain display, especially around mountainous areas.
--Cost is less than the Cheltons with the smaller models
CONS:
--At last check, the Lite units don't display terrain. (Might want to check
my facts on this one). I think terrain only displays on the Sport and the
EFIS One.
--There is no runway display on the PFD (Deal killer for me!)
--The AP has no trim sensing, nor auto trim adustment.
--No Alititude Pre-Select on AP
Pre-Oshkosh, I had definitely decided on the Chelton units. I forget who it
was, but one of the custom panel designers had an OP Technologies EFIS in an
RV-10 panel. I had never heard of this company, (even thought I thought I
knew EVERYTHING about glass!) but you may want to check them out. They have
two display sizes, 10.4 & 8.4. The cost is a little less than the Cheltons,
and they have approaches, etc., but I am not sure of the functionality and
how they integrate with the Tru-Trak AP's. With the Cheltons coupled with
GPS Veritical Steering on the AP, you can do a hands off approach (ILS-like)
to any runway with or w/o an actual approach procedure. I am still 90% sure
that I am going with the Cheltons.
Hope this helps,
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Forsythe" <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS (Lite or
> Sport) and the autopilot option that they also sell? Compared to
> stand-alone autopilots, the addon to the Blue Mountain seems very low
> priced given the advertised capabilities (ie. two axis, GPS flight plan
> tracking, etc.).
>
> I'm curious if anyone knows any drawbacks of the system or has experience
> they'd like to share. At a first look, it seems as though you could get
> the EFIS/Lite and the autopilot complete with servos for around $6,000.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> PS. Randy D., it was great getting to meet you and your wife Monday at
> OSH. Your 10 looks great.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: For Tim Olson |
"The aux battery will be used during engine
start to prevent kickback on the lightspeed, and to power
my EIS and EFIS during engine start....it will also supply
voltage when my E-Bus switch is flipped. For my
lightspeed, I added a switch (3 way) that will toggle
between powering it from the Aux. Battery Bus and the
Main battery bus (normal)."
Tim,
Did you do all of this wiring yourself? I would love to be able to do this myself,
but I am not sure if this is practical. My total electrical experience consists
of installing ceiling fans, light switches, etc. I guess I better start
looking for some good books!
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: For Tim Olson
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hey John,
>
> Glad you found their site. I don't know that they have anything
> to actually "do" about the crank problem. I did specifically
> ask Bart at OSH *Before* I picked up the engine, what
> kind of potential they had for issues with the cranks...he said
> that they do have the serial numbers on all parts in the engine,
> so if it had been in that range, they'd know about it. So,
> I don't think it's a big worry...they'd never knowingly sell you
> a bad one.
>
> I put money down on mine about April/May and picked it up at
> OSH, but it was ready before that. My guess is that you could
> have the engine in a month, but I think they quote more like
> 3-4 months.
>
> I went with Single Lightspeed Plasma III and a single Mag.
> I'm planning on running a main battery, and a smaller
> aux. battery. The aux battery will be used during engine
> start to prevent kickback on the lightspeed, and to power
> my EIS and EFIS during engine start....it will also supply
> voltage when my E-Bus switch is flipped. For my
> lightspeed, I added a switch (3 way) that will toggle
> between powering it from the Aux. Battery Bus and the
> Main battery bus (normal). This is all probably not necessary,
> considering I have a mag, but if I lose my alternator, it
> would still be nice to have a well running engine.
>
> Any more, fire away...
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>
>
> GenGrumpy@aol.com wrote:
>> Tim,
>>
>> Thanks for the info. Got to the site ok.
>>
>> What have they done about the Lyc crank problems?
>>
>> How long a wait for yours??
>>
>> Did you go with dual Lightspeeds? If yes, what about battery back up
>> for them?
>>
>> Thanks - John
>>
>> In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:48:33 PM Central Standard Time,
>> Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Their prices were exactly as advertized on their web page. The total
>> package, with the Lightspeed Plasma III and all of the options I bought
>> (which didn't include an alternator) was just over $33,500. It's
>> not technically "zero time" since it's not done at the factory, so
>> it's an overhaul, but with an experimental, you still start the logs
>> at zero. Had it been certified, it may have been a different story.
>> Bart overhauls only to NEW limits though, so the crank is not
>> ground undersized and all parts that were not brand new should be
>> the same as new.
>>
>> All of their contact info is at:
>> http://www.aerosportpower.com/
>>
>> If you don't have access to the website, let me know and I'll
>> dig up the address and phone for you.
>> Tim
>>
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>> do not archive
>>
>> GenGrumpy@aol.com wrote:
>> > Tim, how much did they charge you for the motor? Is it a zero
>> time or
>> > rebuild?
>> >
>> > Do you have a name and phone number for them?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > John Miller
>> > 40404 empennage
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I like the OP units but they are like the BMA stuff, not quite there.
I'm still holding out to see what happens over the next year but at the
moment I am leaning towards the Chelton's myself (Stein & Tim's fault)
but if I were to go with the BMA I would still go with a TruTrak for AP.
Something about the old saying of all your eggs in one basket and the
fact that BMA is still quite dodgy when it comes to straight answers.
They also have no problem taking shots at their competitors and skewing
the facts.
Incidentally, I would expect to see the Chelton terrain depiction
greatly enhanced in the coming year. I'm not going to bash BMA, been
there done that, but I will say that my profile is 1000NM flights in any
reasonable weather and I just can't trust BMA at this point with hard
IFR flying. I may use the BMA lite as a backup ADI/EHSI or copilot
display though.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark & Kelly
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark & Kelly" <eyedocs1@swbell.net>
Kent,
I did alot of the research you are doing now a while back. These are a
few of my observations. (Take them for what they're worth!)
PROS:
--Incredible terrain display, especially around mountainous areas.
--Cost is less than the Cheltons with the smaller models
CONS:
--At last check, the Lite units don't display terrain. (Might want to
check my facts on this one). I think terrain only displays on the Sport
and the EFIS One.
--There is no runway display on the PFD (Deal killer for me!) --The AP
has no trim sensing, nor auto trim adustment.
--No Alititude Pre-Select on AP
Pre-Oshkosh, I had definitely decided on the Chelton units. I forget
who it was, but one of the custom panel designers had an OP Technologies
EFIS in an RV-10 panel. I had never heard of this company, (even
thought I thought I knew EVERYTHING about glass!) but you may want to
check them out. They have two display sizes, 10.4 & 8.4. The cost is a
little less than the Cheltons, and they have approaches, etc., but I am
not sure of the functionality and how they integrate with the Tru-Trak
AP's. With the Cheltons coupled with GPS Veritical Steering on the AP,
you can do a hands off approach (ILS-like) to any runway with or w/o an
actual approach procedure. I am still 90% sure that I am going with the
Cheltons.
Hope this helps,
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Forsythe" <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
<matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS (Lite or
> Sport) and the autopilot option that they also sell? Compared to
> stand-alone autopilots, the addon to the Blue Mountain seems very low
> priced given the advertised capabilities (ie. two axis, GPS flight
plan
> tracking, etc.).
>
> I'm curious if anyone knows any drawbacks of the system or has
experience
> they'd like to share. At a first look, it seems as though you could
get
> the EFIS/Lite and the autopilot complete with servos for around
$6,000.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> PS. Randy D., it was great getting to meet you and your wife Monday at
> OSH. Your 10 looks great.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: For Tim Olson |
http://www.aeroelectric.com
Buy the book...well worth it. And take Bob's workshop if the book alone doesn't
do it for you.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark & Kelly
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: For Tim Olson
"The aux battery will be used during engine
start to prevent kickback on the lightspeed, and to power
my EIS and EFIS during engine start....it will also supply
voltage when my E-Bus switch is flipped. For my
lightspeed, I added a switch (3 way) that will toggle
between powering it from the Aux. Battery Bus and the
Main battery bus (normal)."
Tim,
Did you do all of this wiring yourself? I would love to be able to do this myself,
but I am not sure if this is practical. My total electrical experience
consists of installing ceiling fans, light switches, etc. I guess I better start
looking for some good books!
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: For Tim Olson
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hey John,
>
> Glad you found their site. I don't know that they have anything
> to actually "do" about the crank problem. I did specifically
> ask Bart at OSH *Before* I picked up the engine, what
> kind of potential they had for issues with the cranks...he said
> that they do have the serial numbers on all parts in the engine,
> so if it had been in that range, they'd know about it. So,
> I don't think it's a big worry...they'd never knowingly sell you
> a bad one.
>
> I put money down on mine about April/May and picked it up at
> OSH, but it was ready before that. My guess is that you could
> have the engine in a month, but I think they quote more like
> 3-4 months.
>
> I went with Single Lightspeed Plasma III and a single Mag.
> I'm planning on running a main battery, and a smaller
> aux. battery. The aux battery will be used during engine
> start to prevent kickback on the lightspeed, and to power
> my EIS and EFIS during engine start....it will also supply
> voltage when my E-Bus switch is flipped. For my
> lightspeed, I added a switch (3 way) that will toggle
> between powering it from the Aux. Battery Bus and the
> Main battery bus (normal). This is all probably not necessary,
> considering I have a mag, but if I lose my alternator, it
> would still be nice to have a well running engine.
>
> Any more, fire away...
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>
>
> GenGrumpy@aol.com wrote:
>> Tim,
>>
>> Thanks for the info. Got to the site ok.
>>
>> What have they done about the Lyc crank problems?
>>
>> How long a wait for yours??
>>
>> Did you go with dual Lightspeeds? If yes, what about battery back up
>> for them?
>>
>> Thanks - John
>>
>> In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:48:33 PM Central Standard Time,
>> Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Their prices were exactly as advertized on their web page. The total
>> package, with the Lightspeed Plasma III and all of the options I bought
>> (which didn't include an alternator) was just over $33,500. It's
>> not technically "zero time" since it's not done at the factory, so
>> it's an overhaul, but with an experimental, you still start the logs
>> at zero. Had it been certified, it may have been a different story.
>> Bart overhauls only to NEW limits though, so the crank is not
>> ground undersized and all parts that were not brand new should be
>> the same as new.
>>
>> All of their contact info is at:
>> http://www.aerosportpower.com/
>>
>> If you don't have access to the website, let me know and I'll
>> dig up the address and phone for you.
>> Tim
>>
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>> do not archive
>>
>> GenGrumpy@aol.com wrote:
>> > Tim, how much did they charge you for the motor? Is it a zero
>> time or
>> > rebuild?
>> >
>> > Do you have a name and phone number for them?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > John Miller
>> > 40404 empennage
>>
>
>
>
>
> RV10-List Email browse
> Photoshare, and much much more:
> bsp; color#000080 faceArial color#000080 size2>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Actually, I started with a Bob Knuckolls Z-diagram, loaded it
into AutoCAD and reworked it to meet my requirements.
It isn't wired yet, but it isn't really all that complicated
either. (although I guess "complicated" could be a relative
term.) ;) I'd be happy to share this all with people...
perhaps later tonight I can dig it up. The revision I have
on CAD might get a couple changes yet though. It's not wired
yet, but it wouldn't be very hard to do it. This switching
of Bus's and especially the lightspeed sourcing is actually
pretty simple.
If you don't hear anything from me, remind me...I'm in the
middle of a big medical image data migration that we
started yesterday afternoon and I've been working with
only a 3.5 hour stop for a nap.
Tim
Mark & Kelly wrote:
> /"The aux battery will be used during engine
> start to prevent kickback on the lightspeed, and to power
> my EIS and EFIS during engine start....it will also supply
> voltage when my E-Bus switch is flipped. For my
> lightspeed, I added a switch (3 way) that will toggle
> between powering it from the Aux. Battery Bus and the
> Main battery bus (normal)."/
> //
> Tim,
> Did you do all of this wiring yourself? I would love to be able to do
> this myself, but I am not sure if this is practical. My total
> electrical experience consists of installing ceiling fans, light
> switches, etc. I guess I better start looking for some good books!
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:35 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: For Tim Olson
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> >
> > Hey John,
> >
> > Glad you found their site. I don't know that they have anything
> > to actually "do" about the crank problem. I did specifically
> > ask Bart at OSH *Before* I picked up the engine, what
> > kind of potential they had for issues with the cranks...he said
> > that they do have the serial numbers on all parts in the engine,
> > so if it had been in that range, they'd know about it. So,
> > I don't think it's a big worry...they'd never knowingly sell you
> > a bad one.
> >
> > I put money down on mine about April/May and picked it up at
> > OSH, but it was ready before that. My guess is that you could
> > have the engine in a month, but I think they quote more like
> > 3-4 months.
> >
> > I went with Single Lightspeed Plasma III and a single Mag.
> > I'm planning on running a main battery, and a smaller
> > aux. battery. The aux battery will be used during engine
> > start to prevent kickback on the lightspeed, and to power
> > my EIS and EFIS during engine start....it will also supply
> > voltage when my E-Bus switch is flipped. For my
> > lightspeed, I added a switch (3 way) that will toggle
> > between powering it from the Aux. Battery Bus and the
> > Main battery bus (normal). This is all probably not necessary,
> > considering I have a mag, but if I lose my alternator, it
> > would still be nice to have a well running engine.
> >
> > Any more, fire away...
> > Tim
> >
> > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> >
> >
> > GenGrumpy@aol.com <mailto:GenGrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
> >> Tim,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the info. Got to the site ok.
> >>
> >> What have they done about the Lyc crank problems?
> >>
> >> How long a wait for yours??
> >>
> >> Did you go with dual Lightspeeds? If yes, what about battery back up
> >> for them?
> >>
> >> Thanks - John
> >>
> >> In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:48:33 PM Central Standard Time,
> >> Tim@MyRV10.com <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com> writes:
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> >>
> >> Their prices were exactly as advertized on their web page. The
> total
> >> package, with the Lightspeed Plasma III and all of the options I
> bought
> >> (which didn't include an alternator) was just over $33,500. It's
> >> not technically "zero time" since it's not done at the factory, so
> >> it's an overhaul, but with an experimental, you still start the logs
> >> at zero. Had it been certified, it may have been a different story.
> >> Bart overhauls only to NEW limits though, so the crank is not
> >> ground undersized and all parts that were not brand new should be
> >> the same as new.
> >>
> >> All of their contact info is at:
> >> http://www.aerosportpower.com/
> >>
> >> If you don't have access to the website, let me know and I'll
> >> dig up the address and phone for you.
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >> GenGrumpy@aol.com <mailto:GenGrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
> >> > Tim, how much did they charge you for the motor? Is it a zero
> >> time or
> >> > rebuild?
> >> >
> >> > Do you have a name and phone number for them?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > John Miller
> >> > 40404 empennage
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ====================================
> > RV10-List Email browse
> > Photoshare, and much much more:
> > bsp; color=#000080 face=Arial
> color=#000080 size=2>> ====================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Kent,
I didn't want to jump the gun on this, but it sounds like you need
some info so I'll give you my work-in-progress.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/theory/
I did really look hard at the BMA stuff at OSH 2004, but after some
poking questions at them, I dropped that idea completely.
From reviews at that time, the AP was not very stable, but
that may have been fixed. The bigger issues are the
capabilities that it does NOT have. Sure, you can stick
in a flight plan and fly it, but there are no approaches in
the thing (** My info is rusty and a year old, so check it out
for your self of course), so you can't fly any approaches with
it. At the time, they also couldn't fly the approaches loaded
into a GNS480, (or perhaps at least the vertical component), so
that really tossed it out the window. My advice is to have someone
who has good IFR experience (if you dont' have any) help you
come up with your requirements and then plug them with some
very hard and firm questions that you want answers to. I
think you'll find that from a functional standpoint, they're
lacking considerably if you want a good EFIS for IFR ops.
Grand Rapids would be a much better choice, and of course,
there's Chelton.
Also, as a side note, once I finish the above page, I plan to
give a good run-down of how I picked Chelton. It's actually
very interesting/educational to see how you can actually trim
some components and costs out, buy paying more for those
boxes. They're definitely not for everyone, but anyone
looking at a couple of nice and expensive screens will stand
to benefit from hashing it over.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
Kent Forsythe wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
> <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS (Lite or
> Sport) and the autopilot option that they also sell? Compared to
> stand-alone autopilots, the addon to the Blue Mountain seems very low
> priced given the advertised capabilities (ie. two axis, GPS flight
> plan tracking, etc.).
>
> I'm curious if anyone knows any drawbacks of the system or has
> experience they'd like to share. At a first look, it seems as
> though you could get the EFIS/Lite and the autopilot complete with
> servos for around $6,000.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> PS. Randy D., it was great getting to meet you and your wife Monday
> at OSH. Your 10 looks great.
>
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| Subject: | Exterior lighting choices - followup |
If anyone is interested here is what I decided on:
- CreativAir's 3 strobe kit:
<http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath27&products_id36>
- Whelen tail strobe/position from Vans as it seems to be the only one
that fits the small spot in the fairing:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident1123168358-134-558
&browselighting&producta555/500light.
- Bill Dubes rectangular LED Nav lights:
http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath22&products_id61
The LED light on the CreativAir's sight doesn't list the assembled
version so I have an email into Bill Vondane to find out if he just
forgot to add it. I can always get the assembled version direct from
Bill Dube for $5 less. Grand total for this will be around $740 without
shipping. The equivalent Whelen system from Van's (System 6) using
conventional nav lights is $780. So I only save $40 but I get a,
hopefully, more reliable system that uses less power.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 wings
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RV10-List: Exterior lighting choices
Ok, I'm ordering accessories for the wings so I have them when I need
them. Got the wing kit for Rob's AOA system, ordered the Duckworks HID
and the aileron trim ($275 in case anyone is wondering) from Van's.
Still need to order the pitot tube, probably be the Gretz. Now I'm
trying to decide on who to use for my strobes/LED nav lights. Whelen is
out because of the cost. So this leaves me; Aeroflash, CreativAir, and
GS-Air. Of course none of them were at Airventure.
First question, how many people out there experienced any problems with
the strobes being powered from a central power supply? If I end up
getting strobes with a central supply I will probably run the power
leads in a dedicated conduit as far away from the other leads, including
the Archer Nav coax, as possible. I would prefer strobes run from local
power supplies but Aeroflash is the only option of the three for this
and I still need to price them out. I'll probably get the Aeroflash for
the tail strobe either way but I need to check the flange dimensions so
I can make sure it fit's ok.
Does anyone have any preference between GS-Air or Creativ-Air? They are
both similar and pretty much the same cost. Anyone currently using any
of the above that can give us a pirep?
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 wings
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
PS: Before you take ANY steps into planning your wiring, make
sure you *do* get a good book....This is one you need to have
for sure:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Catalog/AECcatalog.html
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
Mark & Kelly wrote:
> /"The aux battery will be used during engine
> start to prevent kickback on the lightspeed, and to power
> my EIS and EFIS during engine start....it will also supply
> voltage when my E-Bus switch is flipped. For my
> lightspeed, I added a switch (3 way) that will toggle
> between powering it from the Aux. Battery Bus and the
> Main battery bus (normal)."/
> //
> Tim,
> Did you do all of this wiring yourself? I would love to be able to do
> this myself, but I am not sure if this is practical. My total
> electrical experience consists of installing ceiling fans, light
> switches, etc. I guess I better start looking for some good books!
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:35 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: For Tim Olson
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> >
> > Hey John,
> >
> > Glad you found their site. I don't know that they have anything
> > to actually "do" about the crank problem. I did specifically
> > ask Bart at OSH *Before* I picked up the engine, what
> > kind of potential they had for issues with the cranks...he said
> > that they do have the serial numbers on all parts in the engine,
> > so if it had been in that range, they'd know about it. So,
> > I don't think it's a big worry...they'd never knowingly sell you
> > a bad one.
> >
> > I put money down on mine about April/May and picked it up at
> > OSH, but it was ready before that. My guess is that you could
> > have the engine in a month, but I think they quote more like
> > 3-4 months.
> >
> > I went with Single Lightspeed Plasma III and a single Mag.
> > I'm planning on running a main battery, and a smaller
> > aux. battery. The aux battery will be used during engine
> > start to prevent kickback on the lightspeed, and to power
> > my EIS and EFIS during engine start....it will also supply
> > voltage when my E-Bus switch is flipped. For my
> > lightspeed, I added a switch (3 way) that will toggle
> > between powering it from the Aux. Battery Bus and the
> > Main battery bus (normal). This is all probably not necessary,
> > considering I have a mag, but if I lose my alternator, it
> > would still be nice to have a well running engine.
> >
> > Any more, fire away...
> > Tim
> >
> > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> >
> >
> > GenGrumpy@aol.com <mailto:GenGrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
> >> Tim,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the info. Got to the site ok.
> >>
> >> What have they done about the Lyc crank problems?
> >>
> >> How long a wait for yours??
> >>
> >> Did you go with dual Lightspeeds? If yes, what about battery back up
> >> for them?
> >>
> >> Thanks - John
> >>
> >> In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:48:33 PM Central Standard Time,
> >> Tim@MyRV10.com <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com> writes:
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> >>
> >> Their prices were exactly as advertized on their web page. The
> total
> >> package, with the Lightspeed Plasma III and all of the options I
> bought
> >> (which didn't include an alternator) was just over $33,500. It's
> >> not technically "zero time" since it's not done at the factory, so
> >> it's an overhaul, but with an experimental, you still start the logs
> >> at zero. Had it been certified, it may have been a different story.
> >> Bart overhauls only to NEW limits though, so the crank is not
> >> ground undersized and all parts that were not brand new should be
> >> the same as new.
> >>
> >> All of their contact info is at:
> >> http://www.aerosportpower.com/
> >>
> >> If you don't have access to the website, let me know and I'll
> >> dig up the address and phone for you.
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >> GenGrumpy@aol.com <mailto:GenGrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
> >> > Tim, how much did they charge you for the motor? Is it a zero
> >> time or
> >> > rebuild?
> >> >
> >> > Do you have a name and phone number for them?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > John Miller
> >> > 40404 empennage
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ====================================
> > RV10-List Email browse
> > Photoshare, and much much more:
> > bsp; color=#000080 face=Arial
> color=#000080 size=2>> ====================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Mark & Kelly wrote:
> "The aux battery will be used during engine
> start to prevent kickback on the lightspeed, and to power
> my EIS and EFIS during engine start....it will also supply
> voltage when my E-Bus switch is flipped. For my
> lightspeed, I added a switch (3 way) that will toggle
> between powering it from the Aux. Battery Bus and the
> Main battery bus (normal)."
>
> Tim,
> Did you do all of this wiring yourself? I would love to be able to do
> this myself, but I am not sure if this is practical. My total
> electrical experience consists of installing ceiling fans, light
> switches, etc. I guess I better start looking for some good books!
> Mark]
Hit the Aeroelectric list and web site. http://www.aeroelectric.com/
You'll find a wealth of info for free, and they even have classes for
the electrically challenged.
Linn
do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:35 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: For Tim Olson
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> >
> > Hey John,
> >
> > Glad you found their site. I don't know that they have anything
> > to actually "do" about the crank problem. I did specifically
> > ask Bart at OSH *Before* I picked up the engine, what
> > kind of potential they had for issues with the cranks...he said
> > that they do have the serial numbers on all parts in the engine,
> > so if it had been in that range, they'd know about it. So,
> > I don't think it's a big worry...they'd never knowingly sell you
> > a bad one.
> >
> > I put money down on mine about April/May and picked it up at
> > OSH, but it was ready before that. My guess is that you could
> > have the engine in a month, but I think they quote more like
> > 3-4 months.
> >
> > I went with Single Lightspeed Plasma III and a single Mag.
> > I'm planning on running a main battery, and a smaller
> > aux. battery. The aux battery will be used during engine
> > start to prevent kickback on the lightspeed, and to power
> > my EIS and EFIS during engine start....it will also supply
> > voltage when my E-Bus switch is flipped. For my
> > lightspeed, I added a switch (3 way) that will toggle
> > between powering it from the Aux. Battery Bus and the
> > Main battery bus (normal). This is all probably not necessary,
> > considering I have a mag, but if I lose my alternator, it
> > would still be nice to have a well running engine.
> >
> > Any more, fire away...
> > Tim
> >
> > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> >
> >
> > GenGrumpy@aol.com <mailto:GenGrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
> >> Tim,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the info. Got to the site ok.
> >>
> >> What have they done about the Lyc crank problems?
> >>
> >> How long a wait for yours??
> >>
> >> Did you go with dual Lightspeeds? If yes, what about battery back up
> >> for them?
> >>
> >> Thanks - John
> >>
> >> In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:48:33 PM Central Standard Time,
> >> Tim@MyRV10.com <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com> writes:
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> >>
> >> Their prices were exactly as advertized on their web page. The
> total
> >> package, with the Lightspeed Plasma III and all of the options
> I bought
> >> (which didn't include an alternator) was just over $33,500. It's
> >> not technically "zero time" since it's not done at the factory, so
> >> it's an overhaul, but with an experimental, you still start the
> logs
> >> at zero. Had it been certified, it may have been a different
> story.
> >> Bart overhauls only to NEW limits though, so the crank is not
> >> ground undersized and all parts that were not brand new should be
> >> the same as new.
> >>
> >> All of their contact info is at:
> >> http://www.aerosportpower.com/
> >>
> >> If you don't have access to the website, let me know and I'll
> >> dig up the address and phone for you.
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >> GenGrumpy@aol.com <mailto:GenGrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
> >> > Tim, how much did they charge you for the motor? Is it a zero
> >> time or
> >> > rebuild?
> >> >
> >> > Do you have a name and phone number for them?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > John Miller
> >> > 40404 empennage
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ====================================
> > RV10-List Email browse
> > Photoshare, and much much more:
> > bsp; color=#000080 face=Arial
> color=#000080 size=2>> ====================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Physical Size for the -10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
From what I remember at OSH with using my hand as a rough gauge,
the B&C 60A was almost identical to the 60A from this other place.
(Plane-Power) http://www.plane-power.com
They include lots of stuff, including a combined internal regulator
and crowbar OVP. They have both FAA/PMA models and experimental
models.
I was impressed to hear that they also went through the full
FAA/PMA process before offering an experimental version
as well. Considering that I plan to add a backup alternator,
I'm seriously considering dropping the B&C idea as my primary,
as that would cost me maybe $850+ for my alternator/regulator,
whereas this one would cost something more like $325.
At least that's where I'm leaning today. They claim that
for OSH next year they plan to have out their own aux.
alternator for the vac. pump pad too, so I may just not add
one this year and add one next.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> Good point. If anyone has already fitted a B&C 60A alternator, chime in on how
the fit is. I'm presuming it's fine . . . I hope!
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:29 AM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: Alternator Physical Size for the -10
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I inquired with Randy about how physically big his alternator
> was. He had a larger one but ended up getting a smaller one
> due to clearance issues.
>
> At OSH I found a larger and smaller one that I liked
> from the same company (more on that later). They made
> a 70A that was pretty much the same size as a car alternator,
> and a 60A that was smaller. They said the RV's often have
> clearance issues with the larger alternators, but didn't
> know if that was true about the -10.
>
> I had hoped to get the larger one, not for the capacity, but
> because it turns over 1000 RPM slower and would run cooler.
>
> Can anyone who's fit their cowl verify what they have for size
> and how it fits? There were 2 measurements that were kind of
> critical. 1) The alternator pulley diameter, and 2) the distance
> from the large pulley on the flywheel to the furthest out point
> on the pulley on the alternator.
>
> If anyone has a convenient way to measure these, it would be
> great to post the distances. When I find out which will fit,
> I'll post some specs and info so the question is easier to answer
> in the future.
> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Alternator Physical Size for the -10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
http://scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/518426/2/22210529
http://scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/565366/1/23565302
http://scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/565366/6/27297933
Here are a couple of pictures of the B&C alternator. No problems. It
fits perfect. I also have the cowling fit now and the clearance seems
fine. It is still close (maybe around an inch) but I don't think there
is any difference between it and the Van's model.
There is one thing from B&C that did need some modification.
I put on their remote oil filter adapter and the oil filter would
interfere with the engine mount. They make an extension (I believe it
was the 0.110" extension) and that worked perfect.
http://scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/518426/3/25522637 (before)
http://scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/565366/5/27297876 (after)
http://scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/565366/5/27297882 (after)
Scott Schmidt
Cell 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Alternator Physical Size for the -10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Good point. If anyone has already fitted a B&C 60A alternator, chime in
on how the fit is. I'm presuming it's fine . . . I hope!
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Alternator Physical Size for the -10
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hey guys,
I inquired with Randy about how physically big his alternator
was. He had a larger one but ended up getting a smaller one
due to clearance issues.
At OSH I found a larger and smaller one that I liked
from the same company (more on that later). They made
a 70A that was pretty much the same size as a car alternator,
and a 60A that was smaller. They said the RV's often have
clearance issues with the larger alternators, but didn't
know if that was true about the -10.
I had hoped to get the larger one, not for the capacity, but
because it turns over 1000 RPM slower and would run cooler.
Can anyone who's fit their cowl verify what they have for size
and how it fits? There were 2 measurements that were kind of
critical. 1) The alternator pulley diameter, and 2) the distance
from the large pulley on the flywheel to the furthest out point
on the pulley on the alternator.
If anyone has a convenient way to measure these, it would be
great to post the distances. When I find out which will fit,
I'll post some specs and info so the question is easier to answer
in the future.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
I have spent way too much time researching this as well.
EFIS
From what I have found the only two EFIS systems I would recommend are
the Chelton and the Grand Rapids. For a basic system I would also
recommend the Dynon.
Autopilot
The only system out there is the TruTrak.
Here are the configurations I would recommend for a great IFR aircraft
All would use the TruTrak Digiflight II with Vertical GPS steering
1. EFIS - Chelton
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40 (both if you don't want to add the GPS)
IFR GPS (not really needed) - GNS 480 or GNS 430 (I will go with
the GNS 430 since it is only $3000 more than the SL-30 and has so much
more functionality)
2. EFIS - Grand Rapids
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
IFR GPS - GNS 480 (The GNS 480 is a great IFR GPS and I would
recommend it for all the Victor airway data that is in it since the
Grand Rapids does not currently have it. If you have a Chelton, you
don't need it because the Chelton does everything!!!!)
3. EFIS - Dynon
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
IFR GPS - GNS 480
I don't want to get into why I wouldn't recommend the Blue Mountain too
much but they have had problems and their autopilot is not even close to
the TruTrak especially when linked to the Cheltons. Chelton has a
training DVD you should get from Direct-2-Avionics if you are
considering the Chelton. It will push you over the edge. When I ran
all the numbers, the Chelton system was $8000 more than the Grand Rapids
system in my panel since the autopilot was free at Oshkosh, and I could
go to a GNS 430 instead of the 480. It is a big chunk of change up front
but in the end I know it will be worth it.
So what else did I find at Oshkosh that was cool?
- For weather I am going with the new Motion Computing tablet PC that is
9" X 7" and will run the WxWorks software with the Bluetooth GPS. It
won't be panel mounted but I am going to try to rig up something nice.
- MT has a cool chrome spinner for the MT prop
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Kent,
I didn't want to jump the gun on this, but it sounds like you need
some info so I'll give you my work-in-progress.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/theory/
I did really look hard at the BMA stuff at OSH 2004, but after some
poking questions at them, I dropped that idea completely.
From reviews at that time, the AP was not very stable, but
that may have been fixed. The bigger issues are the
capabilities that it does NOT have. Sure, you can stick
in a flight plan and fly it, but there are no approaches in
the thing (** My info is rusty and a year old, so check it out
for your self of course), so you can't fly any approaches with
it. At the time, they also couldn't fly the approaches loaded
into a GNS480, (or perhaps at least the vertical component), so
that really tossed it out the window. My advice is to have someone
who has good IFR experience (if you dont' have any) help you
come up with your requirements and then plug them with some
very hard and firm questions that you want answers to. I
think you'll find that from a functional standpoint, they're
lacking considerably if you want a good EFIS for IFR ops.
Grand Rapids would be a much better choice, and of course,
there's Chelton.
Also, as a side note, once I finish the above page, I plan to
give a good run-down of how I picked Chelton. It's actually
very interesting/educational to see how you can actually trim
some components and costs out, buy paying more for those
boxes. They're definitely not for everyone, but anyone
looking at a couple of nice and expensive screens will stand
to benefit from hashing it over.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
Kent Forsythe wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
> <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS (Lite or
> Sport) and the autopilot option that they also sell? Compared to
> stand-alone autopilots, the addon to the Blue Mountain seems very low
> priced given the advertised capabilities (ie. two axis, GPS flight
> plan tracking, etc.).
>
> I'm curious if anyone knows any drawbacks of the system or has
> experience they'd like to share. At a first look, it seems as
> though you could get the EFIS/Lite and the autopilot complete with
> servos for around $6,000.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> PS. Randy D., it was great getting to meet you and your wife Monday
> at OSH. Your 10 looks great.
>
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| Subject: | Thanks on the EFIS Info |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
Thanks everyone that had input on the EFIS question I posted. Clearly, it sounds
as though you get what you pay for. I had not heard any of this feedback
before on the Blue Mountain equipment. I definitely do not want to question the
capabilities/reliability of anything I put in my plane.
The vast majority of my flying will be VFR even though I'm instrument rated. I
will be flying between Cincinnati and Houston (roughly 1000 nm) and would like
to be able to relax at altitude and hopefully make it in one hop.
Thanks again for the input and the links for information.
Kent Forsythe
40338
Tailcone
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Scott,
That's a great post and follows real closely with what I found
as well. That Chelton stuff *will* cost you a bit more, but
you get an incredible amount of increased functionality
that has a ton of benefit, and you can drop some of the other
expensive toys that wouldn't be as integrated as they could
be. You did a great write-up. Thanks for the alternator post
as well.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
Scott Schmidt wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>
>
> I have spent way too much time researching this as well.
>
> EFIS
>>From what I have found the only two EFIS systems I would recommend are
> the Chelton and the Grand Rapids. For a basic system I would also
> recommend the Dynon.
>
> Autopilot
> The only system out there is the TruTrak.
>
> Here are the configurations I would recommend for a great IFR aircraft
>
> All would use the TruTrak Digiflight II with Vertical GPS steering
> 1. EFIS - Chelton
> Comm - SL-30 or SL-40 (both if you don't want to add the GPS)
> IFR GPS (not really needed) - GNS 480 or GNS 430 (I will go with
> the GNS 430 since it is only $3000 more than the SL-30 and has so much
> more functionality)
>
> 2. EFIS - Grand Rapids
> Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
> IFR GPS - GNS 480 (The GNS 480 is a great IFR GPS and I would
> recommend it for all the Victor airway data that is in it since the
> Grand Rapids does not currently have it. If you have a Chelton, you
> don't need it because the Chelton does everything!!!!)
>
> 3. EFIS - Dynon
> Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
> IFR GPS - GNS 480
>
> I don't want to get into why I wouldn't recommend the Blue Mountain too
> much but they have had problems and their autopilot is not even close to
> the TruTrak especially when linked to the Cheltons. Chelton has a
> training DVD you should get from Direct-2-Avionics if you are
> considering the Chelton. It will push you over the edge. When I ran
> all the numbers, the Chelton system was $8000 more than the Grand Rapids
> system in my panel since the autopilot was free at Oshkosh, and I could
> go to a GNS 430 instead of the 480. It is a big chunk of change up front
> but in the end I know it will be worth it.
>
> So what else did I find at Oshkosh that was cool?
> - For weather I am going with the new Motion Computing tablet PC that is
> 9" X 7" and will run the WxWorks software with the Bluetooth GPS. It
> won't be panel mounted but I am going to try to rig up something nice.
> - MT has a cool chrome spinner for the MT prop
>
> Scott Schmidt
> sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:18 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Kent,
>
> I didn't want to jump the gun on this, but it sounds like you need
> some info so I'll give you my work-in-progress.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/theory/
>
> I did really look hard at the BMA stuff at OSH 2004, but after some
> poking questions at them, I dropped that idea completely.
> From reviews at that time, the AP was not very stable, but
> that may have been fixed. The bigger issues are the
> capabilities that it does NOT have. Sure, you can stick
> in a flight plan and fly it, but there are no approaches in
> the thing (** My info is rusty and a year old, so check it out
> for your self of course), so you can't fly any approaches with
> it. At the time, they also couldn't fly the approaches loaded
> into a GNS480, (or perhaps at least the vertical component), so
> that really tossed it out the window. My advice is to have someone
> who has good IFR experience (if you dont' have any) help you
> come up with your requirements and then plug them with some
> very hard and firm questions that you want answers to. I
> think you'll find that from a functional standpoint, they're
> lacking considerably if you want a good EFIS for IFR ops.
> Grand Rapids would be a much better choice, and of course,
> there's Chelton.
>
> Also, as a side note, once I finish the above page, I plan to
> give a good run-down of how I picked Chelton. It's actually
> very interesting/educational to see how you can actually trim
> some components and costs out, buy paying more for those
> boxes. They're definitely not for everyone, but anyone
> looking at a couple of nice and expensive screens will stand
> to benefit from hashing it over.
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
>
>
> Kent Forsythe wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
>><matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>>
>>Does anyone have any experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS (Lite or
>>Sport) and the autopilot option that they also sell? Compared to
>>stand-alone autopilots, the addon to the Blue Mountain seems very low
>>priced given the advertised capabilities (ie. two axis, GPS flight
>>plan tracking, etc.).
>>
>>I'm curious if anyone knows any drawbacks of the system or has
>>experience they'd like to share. At a first look, it seems as
>>though you could get the EFIS/Lite and the autopilot complete with
>>servos for around $6,000.
>>
>>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>PS. Randy D., it was great getting to meet you and your wife Monday
>>at OSH. Your 10 looks great.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Thanks on the EFIS Info |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Kent,
If you are going to be mainly flying VFR, then you can save a ton on your
panel. I agree that the Cheltons and GRT EFIS units would be great for IFR,
but there is a lot of functionality that you will probably not use while
flying VFR. In fact, with the auto pilot (which is a must), you pretty much
just have to watch what airspaces are in your way (of course, you have to
take off and land as well). With a GPS and a basic EFIS, you should be
fine. You don't need much fancy terrain with the Cincinnati to Houston
flight, and you can get some pretty good stuff on a separate GPS with
weather as well.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kent Forsythe
Subject: RV10-List: Thanks on the EFIS Info
--> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
Thanks everyone that had input on the EFIS question I posted. Clearly, it
sounds as though you get what you pay for. I had not heard any of this
feedback before on the Blue Mountain equipment. I definitely do not want to
question the capabilities/reliability of anything I put in my plane.
The vast majority of my flying will be VFR even though I'm instrument rated.
I will be flying between Cincinnati and Houston (roughly 1000 nm) and would
like to be able to relax at altitude and hopefully make it in one hop.
Thanks again for the input and the links for information.
Kent Forsythe
40338
Tailcone
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
We went with #3 and it is working great for us (we have the 430 not the 480,
though). We are running it with the TruTrak A/P with GPS Stearing, but
without the vertical option. The main thing we want that we don't have it
weather. We are probably going to go with one of the software options for
now and run it on a laptop to start with and see how we like it and how much
we use it. Then we will end up going with a tablet PC or a pocket PC to run
the weather and moving map with terrain (much nicer than the low detail that
the 430 gives you).
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
I have spent way too much time researching this as well.
EFIS
>From what I have found the only two EFIS systems I would recommend are
the Chelton and the Grand Rapids. For a basic system I would also
recommend the Dynon.
Autopilot
The only system out there is the TruTrak.
Here are the configurations I would recommend for a great IFR aircraft
All would use the TruTrak Digiflight II with Vertical GPS steering
1. EFIS - Chelton
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40 (both if you don't want to add the GPS)
IFR GPS (not really needed) - GNS 480 or GNS 430 (I will go with
the GNS 430 since it is only $3000 more than the SL-30 and has so much
more functionality)
2. EFIS - Grand Rapids
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
IFR GPS - GNS 480 (The GNS 480 is a great IFR GPS and I would
recommend it for all the Victor airway data that is in it since the
Grand Rapids does not currently have it. If you have a Chelton, you
don't need it because the Chelton does everything!!!!)
3. EFIS - Dynon
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
IFR GPS - GNS 480
I don't want to get into why I wouldn't recommend the Blue Mountain too
much but they have had problems and their autopilot is not even close to
the TruTrak especially when linked to the Cheltons. Chelton has a
training DVD you should get from Direct-2-Avionics if you are
considering the Chelton. It will push you over the edge. When I ran
all the numbers, the Chelton system was $8000 more than the Grand Rapids
system in my panel since the autopilot was free at Oshkosh, and I could
go to a GNS 430 instead of the 480. It is a big chunk of change up front
but in the end I know it will be worth it.
So what else did I find at Oshkosh that was cool?
- For weather I am going with the new Motion Computing tablet PC that is
9" X 7" and will run the WxWorks software with the Bluetooth GPS. It
won't be panel mounted but I am going to try to rig up something nice.
- MT has a cool chrome spinner for the MT prop
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Kent,
I didn't want to jump the gun on this, but it sounds like you need
some info so I'll give you my work-in-progress.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/theory/
I did really look hard at the BMA stuff at OSH 2004, but after some
poking questions at them, I dropped that idea completely.
From reviews at that time, the AP was not very stable, but
that may have been fixed. The bigger issues are the
capabilities that it does NOT have. Sure, you can stick
in a flight plan and fly it, but there are no approaches in
the thing (** My info is rusty and a year old, so check it out
for your self of course), so you can't fly any approaches with
it. At the time, they also couldn't fly the approaches loaded
into a GNS480, (or perhaps at least the vertical component), so
that really tossed it out the window. My advice is to have someone
who has good IFR experience (if you dont' have any) help you
come up with your requirements and then plug them with some
very hard and firm questions that you want answers to. I
think you'll find that from a functional standpoint, they're
lacking considerably if you want a good EFIS for IFR ops.
Grand Rapids would be a much better choice, and of course,
there's Chelton.
Also, as a side note, once I finish the above page, I plan to
give a good run-down of how I picked Chelton. It's actually
very interesting/educational to see how you can actually trim
some components and costs out, buy paying more for those
boxes. They're definitely not for everyone, but anyone
looking at a couple of nice and expensive screens will stand
to benefit from hashing it over.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
Kent Forsythe wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
> <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS (Lite or
> Sport) and the autopilot option that they also sell? Compared to
> stand-alone autopilots, the addon to the Blue Mountain seems very low
> priced given the advertised capabilities (ie. two axis, GPS flight
> plan tracking, etc.).
>
> I'm curious if anyone knows any drawbacks of the system or has
> experience they'd like to share. At a first look, it seems as
> though you could get the EFIS/Lite and the autopilot complete with
> servos for around $6,000.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> PS. Randy D., it was great getting to meet you and your wife Monday
> at OSH. Your 10 looks great.
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I haven't really begun to examine the panel for myself yet, given that I
don't need to for another couple years and who knows what will be available
then, at what price, but take a look at the new Dynon or even the current
model.... actually take a look at Randy D's panel. With the 480, MX-20,
Dynon, Autopilot... that's quite a competent panel for 90% of even IFR
flying. Don't get me wrong, I'd spring for something more exotic like the
Chilton's if I could. But, wow, what we can have today is amazing compared
to even two years ago, and it's very good equipment.
For a flying opinion of the Blue Mountain stuff, I recommend contacting a
Lancair (ex jet fighter pilot) driver who's got the big one in his 320.
He's at the same airfield as I am and would be willing to give his 2 cents
worth. Contact me off line for his contact information.
John Jessen
#328 Rudder...hopefully done tonight.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
We went with #3 and it is working great for us (we have the 430 not the 480,
though). We are running it with the TruTrak A/P with GPS Stearing, but
without the vertical option. The main thing we want that we don't have it
weather. We are probably going to go with one of the software options for
now and run it on a laptop to start with and see how we like it and how much
we use it. Then we will end up going with a tablet PC or a pocket PC to run
the weather and moving map with terrain (much nicer than the low detail that
the 430 gives you).
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
--> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
I have spent way too much time researching this as well.
EFIS
>From what I have found the only two EFIS systems I would recommend are
the Chelton and the Grand Rapids. For a basic system I would also recommend
the Dynon.
Autopilot
The only system out there is the TruTrak.
Here are the configurations I would recommend for a great IFR aircraft
All would use the TruTrak Digiflight II with Vertical GPS steering
1. EFIS - Chelton
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40 (both if you don't want to add the GPS)
IFR GPS (not really needed) - GNS 480 or GNS 430 (I will go with the
GNS 430 since it is only $3000 more than the SL-30 and has so much more
functionality)
2. EFIS - Grand Rapids
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
IFR GPS - GNS 480 (The GNS 480 is a great IFR GPS and I would
recommend it for all the Victor airway data that is in it since the Grand
Rapids does not currently have it. If you have a Chelton, you don't need it
because the Chelton does everything!!!!)
3. EFIS - Dynon
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
IFR GPS - GNS 480
I don't want to get into why I wouldn't recommend the Blue Mountain too much
but they have had problems and their autopilot is not even close to the
TruTrak especially when linked to the Cheltons. Chelton has a training DVD
you should get from Direct-2-Avionics if you are considering the Chelton.
It will push you over the edge. When I ran all the numbers, the Chelton
system was $8000 more than the Grand Rapids system in my panel since the
autopilot was free at Oshkosh, and I could go to a GNS 430 instead of the
480. It is a big chunk of change up front but in the end I know it will be
worth it.
So what else did I find at Oshkosh that was cool?
- For weather I am going with the new Motion Computing tablet PC that is 9"
X 7" and will run the WxWorks software with the Bluetooth GPS. It won't be
panel mounted but I am going to try to rig up something nice.
- MT has a cool chrome spinner for the MT prop
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Kent,
I didn't want to jump the gun on this, but it sounds like you need some info
so I'll give you my work-in-progress.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/theory/
I did really look hard at the BMA stuff at OSH 2004, but after some poking
questions at them, I dropped that idea completely.
From reviews at that time, the AP was not very stable, but that may have
been fixed. The bigger issues are the capabilities that it does NOT have.
Sure, you can stick in a flight plan and fly it, but there are no approaches
in the thing (** My info is rusty and a year old, so check it out for your
self of course), so you can't fly any approaches with it. At the time, they
also couldn't fly the approaches loaded into a GNS480, (or perhaps at least
the vertical component), so that really tossed it out the window. My advice
is to have someone who has good IFR experience (if you dont' have any) help
you come up with your requirements and then plug them with some very hard
and firm questions that you want answers to. I think you'll find that from
a functional standpoint, they're lacking considerably if you want a good
EFIS for IFR ops.
Grand Rapids would be a much better choice, and of course, there's Chelton.
Also, as a side note, once I finish the above page, I plan to give a good
run-down of how I picked Chelton. It's actually very
interesting/educational to see how you can actually trim some components and
costs out, buy paying more for those boxes. They're definitely not for
everyone, but anyone looking at a couple of nice and expensive screens will
stand to benefit from hashing it over.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
Kent Forsythe wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
> <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS (Lite or
> Sport) and the autopilot option that they also sell? Compared to
> stand-alone autopilots, the addon to the Blue Mountain seems very low
> priced given the advertised capabilities (ie. two axis, GPS flight
> plan tracking, etc.).
>
> I'm curious if anyone knows any drawbacks of the system or has
> experience they'd like to share. At a first look, it seems as
> though you could get the EFIS/Lite and the autopilot complete with
> servos for around $6,000.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> PS. Randy D., it was great getting to meet you and your wife Monday at
> OSH. Your 10 looks great.
>
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| Subject: | One hell of a gift...what a guy! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wentz, Don" <don.wentz@intel.com>
Tim,
I guess he took it back, when I landed at Menomonie for fuel Friday,
your Dad showed me the sundowner in there.
Sorry I missed you at Osh.
dw
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: One hell of a gift...what a guy!
Randy outdid himself this time in giving me a fantastic gift. I think
he's not as happy as I thought he was with his RV-10, so he actually
gave it to me, and flew it all the way to my airport and stuck it in my
hanger. Shown in the photo below is Randy's beautiful RV-10, parked
nicely for the evening in my hanger. I dumped the Sundowner into the
FBO hanger for the night, as it's only right to put the -10 where it
belongs....in MY hanger. ;)
Thanks for the great gift Randy, you saved me about 1000 hours of
building....a real QUICK build!
Tim
Or, I suppose there's the off chance that he'll maybe want to take it
with him tomorrow when he gets up to go to OSH.... Now, if I can only
find out how to lock his hotel door from the outside....
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
The PC based weather systems do seem to be the best right now. If you
are going to pay $30 or $50/ month for the service you might as well
have a system that has the capabilities to display all the features it
offers. It is amazing to see the cloud cover, radar, METARS, winds
aloft on the Motion Computing tablet PC. Chelton said that they will
offer an XM weather option soon and it should be great with their high
resolution screens but I don't think it will be as good as the motion
computing.
Also, here is something really cool you can do with a tablet PC. If you
have internet access on your phone, you can use the Bluetooth on the
tablet PC to get on the internet and you can file your flight plans,
update your software, and get any other info you need right there in
your plane. The other day, my friend was flying in his RV-6 with the
TruTrak II on with nothing to do so he connected to the internet found
there was an update for his Dynon, downloaded it and updated it within a
couple of minutes.
Pretty cool. Now all I need is a Starbucks Latte machine in the RV-10
and I will sell the house.
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
We went with #3 and it is working great for us (we have the 430 not the
480,
though). We are running it with the TruTrak A/P with GPS Stearing, but
without the vertical option. The main thing we want that we don't have
it
weather. We are probably going to go with one of the software options
for
now and run it on a laptop to start with and see how we like it and how
much
we use it. Then we will end up going with a tablet PC or a pocket PC to
run
the weather and moving map with terrain (much nicer than the low detail
that
the 430 gives you).
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
<sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
I have spent way too much time researching this as well.
EFIS
>From what I have found the only two EFIS systems I would recommend are
the Chelton and the Grand Rapids. For a basic system I would also
recommend the Dynon.
Autopilot
The only system out there is the TruTrak.
Here are the configurations I would recommend for a great IFR aircraft
All would use the TruTrak Digiflight II with Vertical GPS steering
1. EFIS - Chelton
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40 (both if you don't want to add the GPS)
IFR GPS (not really needed) - GNS 480 or GNS 430 (I will go with
the GNS 430 since it is only $3000 more than the SL-30 and has so much
more functionality)
2. EFIS - Grand Rapids
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
IFR GPS - GNS 480 (The GNS 480 is a great IFR GPS and I would
recommend it for all the Victor airway data that is in it since the
Grand Rapids does not currently have it. If you have a Chelton, you
don't need it because the Chelton does everything!!!!)
3. EFIS - Dynon
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
IFR GPS - GNS 480
I don't want to get into why I wouldn't recommend the Blue Mountain too
much but they have had problems and their autopilot is not even close to
the TruTrak especially when linked to the Cheltons. Chelton has a
training DVD you should get from Direct-2-Avionics if you are
considering the Chelton. It will push you over the edge. When I ran
all the numbers, the Chelton system was $8000 more than the Grand Rapids
system in my panel since the autopilot was free at Oshkosh, and I could
go to a GNS 430 instead of the 480. It is a big chunk of change up front
but in the end I know it will be worth it.
So what else did I find at Oshkosh that was cool?
- For weather I am going with the new Motion Computing tablet PC that is
9" X 7" and will run the WxWorks software with the Bluetooth GPS. It
won't be panel mounted but I am going to try to rig up something nice.
- MT has a cool chrome spinner for the MT prop
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Kent,
I didn't want to jump the gun on this, but it sounds like you need
some info so I'll give you my work-in-progress.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/theory/
I did really look hard at the BMA stuff at OSH 2004, but after some
poking questions at them, I dropped that idea completely.
From reviews at that time, the AP was not very stable, but
that may have been fixed. The bigger issues are the
capabilities that it does NOT have. Sure, you can stick
in a flight plan and fly it, but there are no approaches in
the thing (** My info is rusty and a year old, so check it out
for your self of course), so you can't fly any approaches with
it. At the time, they also couldn't fly the approaches loaded
into a GNS480, (or perhaps at least the vertical component), so
that really tossed it out the window. My advice is to have someone
who has good IFR experience (if you dont' have any) help you
come up with your requirements and then plug them with some
very hard and firm questions that you want answers to. I
think you'll find that from a functional standpoint, they're
lacking considerably if you want a good EFIS for IFR ops.
Grand Rapids would be a much better choice, and of course,
there's Chelton.
Also, as a side note, once I finish the above page, I plan to
give a good run-down of how I picked Chelton. It's actually
very interesting/educational to see how you can actually trim
some components and costs out, buy paying more for those
boxes. They're definitely not for everyone, but anyone
looking at a couple of nice and expensive screens will stand
to benefit from hashing it over.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
Kent Forsythe wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
> <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS (Lite or
> Sport) and the autopilot option that they also sell? Compared to
> stand-alone autopilots, the addon to the Blue Mountain seems very low
> priced given the advertised capabilities (ie. two axis, GPS flight
> plan tracking, etc.).
>
> I'm curious if anyone knows any drawbacks of the system or has
> experience they'd like to share. At a first look, it seems as
> though you could get the EFIS/Lite and the autopilot complete with
> servos for around $6,000.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> PS. Randy D., it was great getting to meet you and your wife Monday
> at OSH. Your 10 looks great.
>
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
You are right John. All the systems are amazing today. If the Dynon
was the only system out there we would all be drooling over it and we
would pay $5000 or more for it.
Picking out today's instruments is like picking our next date out of the
Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition. They are all really nice but some
have better features than others.
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I haven't really begun to examine the panel for myself yet, given that I
don't need to for another couple years and who knows what will be
available
then, at what price, but take a look at the new Dynon or even the
current
model.... actually take a look at Randy D's panel. With the 480, MX-20,
Dynon, Autopilot... that's quite a competent panel for 90% of even IFR
flying. Don't get me wrong, I'd spring for something more exotic like
the
Chilton's if I could. But, wow, what we can have today is amazing
compared
to even two years ago, and it's very good equipment.
For a flying opinion of the Blue Mountain stuff, I recommend contacting
a
Lancair (ex jet fighter pilot) driver who's got the big one in his 320.
He's at the same airfield as I am and would be willing to give his 2
cents
worth. Contact me off line for his contact information.
John Jessen
#328 Rudder...hopefully done tonight.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
We went with #3 and it is working great for us (we have the 430 not the
480,
though). We are running it with the TruTrak A/P with GPS Stearing, but
without the vertical option. The main thing we want that we don't have
it
weather. We are probably going to go with one of the software options
for
now and run it on a laptop to start with and see how we like it and how
much
we use it. Then we will end up going with a tablet PC or a pocket PC to
run
the weather and moving map with terrain (much nicer than the low detail
that
the 430 gives you).
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
--> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
I have spent way too much time researching this as well.
EFIS
>From what I have found the only two EFIS systems I would recommend are
the Chelton and the Grand Rapids. For a basic system I would also
recommend
the Dynon.
Autopilot
The only system out there is the TruTrak.
Here are the configurations I would recommend for a great IFR aircraft
All would use the TruTrak Digiflight II with Vertical GPS steering
1. EFIS - Chelton
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40 (both if you don't want to add the GPS)
IFR GPS (not really needed) - GNS 480 or GNS 430 (I will go with
the
GNS 430 since it is only $3000 more than the SL-30 and has so much more
functionality)
2. EFIS - Grand Rapids
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
IFR GPS - GNS 480 (The GNS 480 is a great IFR GPS and I would
recommend it for all the Victor airway data that is in it since the
Grand
Rapids does not currently have it. If you have a Chelton, you don't
need it
because the Chelton does everything!!!!)
3. EFIS - Dynon
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
IFR GPS - GNS 480
I don't want to get into why I wouldn't recommend the Blue Mountain too
much
but they have had problems and their autopilot is not even close to the
TruTrak especially when linked to the Cheltons. Chelton has a training
DVD
you should get from Direct-2-Avionics if you are considering the
Chelton.
It will push you over the edge. When I ran all the numbers, the Chelton
system was $8000 more than the Grand Rapids system in my panel since the
autopilot was free at Oshkosh, and I could go to a GNS 430 instead of
the
480. It is a big chunk of change up front but in the end I know it will
be
worth it.
So what else did I find at Oshkosh that was cool?
- For weather I am going with the new Motion Computing tablet PC that is
9"
X 7" and will run the WxWorks software with the Bluetooth GPS. It won't
be
panel mounted but I am going to try to rig up something nice.
- MT has a cool chrome spinner for the MT prop
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Kent,
I didn't want to jump the gun on this, but it sounds like you need some
info
so I'll give you my work-in-progress.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/theory/
I did really look hard at the BMA stuff at OSH 2004, but after some
poking
questions at them, I dropped that idea completely.
From reviews at that time, the AP was not very stable, but that may
have
been fixed. The bigger issues are the capabilities that it does NOT
have.
Sure, you can stick in a flight plan and fly it, but there are no
approaches
in the thing (** My info is rusty and a year old, so check it out for
your
self of course), so you can't fly any approaches with it. At the time,
they
also couldn't fly the approaches loaded into a GNS480, (or perhaps at
least
the vertical component), so that really tossed it out the window. My
advice
is to have someone who has good IFR experience (if you dont' have any)
help
you come up with your requirements and then plug them with some very
hard
and firm questions that you want answers to. I think you'll find that
from
a functional standpoint, they're lacking considerably if you want a good
EFIS for IFR ops.
Grand Rapids would be a much better choice, and of course, there's
Chelton.
Also, as a side note, once I finish the above page, I plan to give a
good
run-down of how I picked Chelton. It's actually very
interesting/educational to see how you can actually trim some components
and
costs out, buy paying more for those boxes. They're definitely not for
everyone, but anyone looking at a couple of nice and expensive screens
will
stand to benefit from hashing it over.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
Kent Forsythe wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
> <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS (Lite or
> Sport) and the autopilot option that they also sell? Compared to
> stand-alone autopilots, the addon to the Blue Mountain seems very low
> priced given the advertised capabilities (ie. two axis, GPS flight
> plan tracking, etc.).
>
> I'm curious if anyone knows any drawbacks of the system or has
> experience they'd like to share. At a first look, it seems as
> though you could get the EFIS/Lite and the autopilot complete with
> servos for around $6,000.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> PS. Randy D., it was great getting to meet you and your wife Monday at
> OSH. Your 10 looks great.
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Yep.
It's all about what you feel adds to overall flying functionality, safety
and comfort, and how it all fits in with how you want to fly your plane, and
where you think your investment counts the most.
All this learning and experiencing within the amateur aviation building
world is definitely worth the price of admission. Reality TV at its best!
Anyone here actually watched TV since you began your project? Maybe have
the Red Sox on in the background, but long gone are the days when I had any
desire to sit in front of a brain deadening tube. Too much to do and too
much fun to be had!
John Jessen
#328 Rudder
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
--> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
You are right John. All the systems are amazing today. If the Dynon was
the only system out there we would all be drooling over it and we would pay
$5000 or more for it.
Picking out today's instruments is like picking our next date out of the
Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition. They are all really nice but some have
better features than others.
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I haven't really begun to examine the panel for myself yet, given that I
don't need to for another couple years and who knows what will be available
then, at what price, but take a look at the new Dynon or even the current
model.... actually take a look at Randy D's panel. With the 480, MX-20,
Dynon, Autopilot... that's quite a competent panel for 90% of even IFR
flying. Don't get me wrong, I'd spring for something more exotic like the
Chilton's if I could. But, wow, what we can have today is amazing compared
to even two years ago, and it's very good equipment.
For a flying opinion of the Blue Mountain stuff, I recommend contacting a
Lancair (ex jet fighter pilot) driver who's got the big one in his 320.
He's at the same airfield as I am and would be willing to give his 2 cents
worth. Contact me off line for his contact information.
John Jessen
#328 Rudder...hopefully done tonight.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
We went with #3 and it is working great for us (we have the 430 not the 480,
though). We are running it with the TruTrak A/P with GPS Stearing, but
without the vertical option. The main thing we want that we don't have it
weather. We are probably going to go with one of the software options for
now and run it on a laptop to start with and see how we like it and how much
we use it. Then we will end up going with a tablet PC or a pocket PC to run
the weather and moving map with terrain (much nicer than the low detail that
the 430 gives you).
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
--> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
I have spent way too much time researching this as well.
EFIS
>From what I have found the only two EFIS systems I would recommend are
the Chelton and the Grand Rapids. For a basic system I would also recommend
the Dynon.
Autopilot
The only system out there is the TruTrak.
Here are the configurations I would recommend for a great IFR aircraft
All would use the TruTrak Digiflight II with Vertical GPS steering
1. EFIS - Chelton
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40 (both if you don't want to add the GPS)
IFR GPS (not really needed) - GNS 480 or GNS 430 (I will go with the
GNS 430 since it is only $3000 more than the SL-30 and has so much more
functionality)
2. EFIS - Grand Rapids
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
IFR GPS - GNS 480 (The GNS 480 is a great IFR GPS and I would
recommend it for all the Victor airway data that is in it since the Grand
Rapids does not currently have it. If you have a Chelton, you don't need it
because the Chelton does everything!!!!)
3. EFIS - Dynon
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
IFR GPS - GNS 480
I don't want to get into why I wouldn't recommend the Blue Mountain too much
but they have had problems and their autopilot is not even close to the
TruTrak especially when linked to the Cheltons. Chelton has a training DVD
you should get from Direct-2-Avionics if you are considering the Chelton.
It will push you over the edge. When I ran all the numbers, the Chelton
system was $8000 more than the Grand Rapids system in my panel since the
autopilot was free at Oshkosh, and I could go to a GNS 430 instead of the
480. It is a big chunk of change up front but in the end I know it will be
worth it.
So what else did I find at Oshkosh that was cool?
- For weather I am going with the new Motion Computing tablet PC that is 9"
X 7" and will run the WxWorks software with the Bluetooth GPS. It won't be
panel mounted but I am going to try to rig up something nice.
- MT has a cool chrome spinner for the MT prop
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Kent,
I didn't want to jump the gun on this, but it sounds like you need some info
so I'll give you my work-in-progress.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/theory/
I did really look hard at the BMA stuff at OSH 2004, but after some poking
questions at them, I dropped that idea completely.
From reviews at that time, the AP was not very stable, but that may have
been fixed. The bigger issues are the capabilities that it does NOT have.
Sure, you can stick in a flight plan and fly it, but there are no approaches
in the thing (** My info is rusty and a year old, so check it out for your
self of course), so you can't fly any approaches with it. At the time, they
also couldn't fly the approaches loaded into a GNS480, (or perhaps at least
the vertical component), so that really tossed it out the window. My advice
is to have someone who has good IFR experience (if you dont' have any) help
you come up with your requirements and then plug them with some very hard
and firm questions that you want answers to. I think you'll find that from
a functional standpoint, they're lacking considerably if you want a good
EFIS for IFR ops.
Grand Rapids would be a much better choice, and of course, there's Chelton.
Also, as a side note, once I finish the above page, I plan to give a good
run-down of how I picked Chelton. It's actually very
interesting/educational to see how you can actually trim some components and
costs out, buy paying more for those boxes. They're definitely not for
everyone, but anyone looking at a couple of nice and expensive screens will
stand to benefit from hashing it over.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
Kent Forsythe wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
> <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS (Lite or
> Sport) and the autopilot option that they also sell? Compared to
> stand-alone autopilots, the addon to the Blue Mountain seems very low
> priced given the advertised capabilities (ie. two axis, GPS flight
> plan tracking, etc.).
>
> I'm curious if anyone knows any drawbacks of the system or has
> experience they'd like to share. At a first look, it seems as
> though you could get the EFIS/Lite and the autopilot complete with
> servos for around $6,000.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> PS. Randy D., it was great getting to meet you and your wife Monday at
> OSH. Your 10 looks great.
>
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Be sure that your plane has XM audio capability so you can listen to Red Sox games
while flying!
Of course, you'll also need Sirius radio because they've got the Patriots' games
. . .
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Yep.
It's all about what you feel adds to overall flying functionality, safety
and comfort, and how it all fits in with how you want to fly your plane, and
where you think your investment counts the most.
All this learning and experiencing within the amateur aviation building
world is definitely worth the price of admission. Reality TV at its best!
Anyone here actually watched TV since you began your project? Maybe have
the Red Sox on in the background, but long gone are the days when I had any
desire to sit in front of a brain deadening tube. Too much to do and too
much fun to be had!
John Jessen
#328 Rudder
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
--> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
You are right John. All the systems are amazing today. If the Dynon was
the only system out there we would all be drooling over it and we would pay
$5000 or more for it.
Picking out today's instruments is like picking our next date out of the
Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition. They are all really nice but some have
better features than others.
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I haven't really begun to examine the panel for myself yet, given that I
don't need to for another couple years and who knows what will be available
then, at what price, but take a look at the new Dynon or even the current
model.... actually take a look at Randy D's panel. With the 480, MX-20,
Dynon, Autopilot... that's quite a competent panel for 90% of even IFR
flying. Don't get me wrong, I'd spring for something more exotic like the
Chilton's if I could. But, wow, what we can have today is amazing compared
to even two years ago, and it's very good equipment.
For a flying opinion of the Blue Mountain stuff, I recommend contacting a
Lancair (ex jet fighter pilot) driver who's got the big one in his 320.
He's at the same airfield as I am and would be willing to give his 2 cents
worth. Contact me off line for his contact information.
John Jessen
#328 Rudder...hopefully done tonight.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
We went with #3 and it is working great for us (we have the 430 not the 480,
though). We are running it with the TruTrak A/P with GPS Stearing, but
without the vertical option. The main thing we want that we don't have it
weather. We are probably going to go with one of the software options for
now and run it on a laptop to start with and see how we like it and how much
we use it. Then we will end up going with a tablet PC or a pocket PC to run
the weather and moving map with terrain (much nicer than the low detail that
the 430 gives you).
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
--> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
I have spent way too much time researching this as well.
EFIS
>From what I have found the only two EFIS systems I would recommend are
the Chelton and the Grand Rapids. For a basic system I would also recommend
the Dynon.
Autopilot
The only system out there is the TruTrak.
Here are the configurations I would recommend for a great IFR aircraft
All would use the TruTrak Digiflight II with Vertical GPS steering
1. EFIS - Chelton
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40 (both if you don't want to add the GPS)
IFR GPS (not really needed) - GNS 480 or GNS 430 (I will go with the
GNS 430 since it is only $3000 more than the SL-30 and has so much more
functionality)
2. EFIS - Grand Rapids
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
IFR GPS - GNS 480 (The GNS 480 is a great IFR GPS and I would
recommend it for all the Victor airway data that is in it since the Grand
Rapids does not currently have it. If you have a Chelton, you don't need it
because the Chelton does everything!!!!)
3. EFIS - Dynon
Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
IFR GPS - GNS 480
I don't want to get into why I wouldn't recommend the Blue Mountain too much
but they have had problems and their autopilot is not even close to the
TruTrak especially when linked to the Cheltons. Chelton has a training DVD
you should get from Direct-2-Avionics if you are considering the Chelton.
It will push you over the edge. When I ran all the numbers, the Chelton
system was $8000 more than the Grand Rapids system in my panel since the
autopilot was free at Oshkosh, and I could go to a GNS 430 instead of the
480. It is a big chunk of change up front but in the end I know it will be
worth it.
So what else did I find at Oshkosh that was cool?
- For weather I am going with the new Motion Computing tablet PC that is 9"
X 7" and will run the WxWorks software with the Bluetooth GPS. It won't be
panel mounted but I am going to try to rig up something nice.
- MT has a cool chrome spinner for the MT prop
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Kent,
I didn't want to jump the gun on this, but it sounds like you need some info
so I'll give you my work-in-progress.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/theory/
I did really look hard at the BMA stuff at OSH 2004, but after some poking
questions at them, I dropped that idea completely.
From reviews at that time, the AP was not very stable, but that may have
been fixed. The bigger issues are the capabilities that it does NOT have.
Sure, you can stick in a flight plan and fly it, but there are no approaches
in the thing (** My info is rusty and a year old, so check it out for your
self of course), so you can't fly any approaches with it. At the time, they
also couldn't fly the approaches loaded into a GNS480, (or perhaps at least
the vertical component), so that really tossed it out the window. My advice
is to have someone who has good IFR experience (if you dont' have any) help
you come up with your requirements and then plug them with some very hard
and firm questions that you want answers to. I think you'll find that from
a functional standpoint, they're lacking considerably if you want a good
EFIS for IFR ops.
Grand Rapids would be a much better choice, and of course, there's Chelton.
Also, as a side note, once I finish the above page, I plan to give a good
run-down of how I picked Chelton. It's actually very
interesting/educational to see how you can actually trim some components and
costs out, buy paying more for those boxes. They're definitely not for
everyone, but anyone looking at a couple of nice and expensive screens will
stand to benefit from hashing it over.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
Kent Forsythe wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
> <matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS (Lite or
> Sport) and the autopilot option that they also sell? Compared to
> stand-alone autopilots, the addon to the Blue Mountain seems very low
> priced given the advertised capabilities (ie. two axis, GPS flight
> plan tracking, etc.).
>
> I'm curious if anyone knows any drawbacks of the system or has
> experience they'd like to share. At a first look, it seems as
> though you could get the EFIS/Lite and the autopilot complete with
> servos for around $6,000.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> PS. Randy D., it was great getting to meet you and your wife Monday at
> OSH. Your 10 looks great.
>
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| Subject: | Cold air induction????? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
To all you engineering types out there: what exactly is "cold air induction"
as advertised by ECI in their new kit engines? In lay man's terms, please.
What benefit will it offer? What exactly will it do?
Please pardon my ignorance.
Mani Ravee, MD
Indianapolis, KUMP
#40339. N528AR
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--> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
I'll take a stab at it!
Mani Ravee wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
>To all you engineering types out there: what exactly is "cold air induction"
>as advertised by ECI in their new kit engines? In lay man's terms, please.
>
This part is easy. I'm definitely in the layman category!!!
"cold air induction" means that cold (ambient) air reaches the cylinders
for combustion. The difference is in the sump. The normal Lycosaur
induction is through the carb through tubes in the oil sump. That's
where the hot oil congregates. That hot oil heats the air, making it
less dense. Less dense air means less power produced.
>What benefit will it offer?
>
Some additional HP. How much is going to be pure speculation since
you're not comparing apples/apples anymore. I'd call it theroetical HP
improvement.
> What exactly will it do?
>
I haven't a clue. It may just be a marketing ploy. All things being
equal, the ECI engine MIGHT produce more HP than the Lycosaur .... but
again how much???
>Please pardon my ignorance.
>
No problem. We've all been there at one time or another. Unfortunately
the human population isn't endowed with instinct when it comes to aviation!
Good luck
Linn
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>
>
>Mani Ravee, MD
>Indianapolis, KUMP
>#40339. N528AR
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cold air induction????? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> What benefit will it offer? What exactly will it do?
Colder, denser intake air (not heated by the sump) enables the engine to
produce more horsepower.
Compare, for example, the IO-360-A1B6 (200hp) to the O-360-A1A (180hp).
Both engines have 360 cubic inch displacement. The one with cold air
induction & angle valve heads produces 20 more horsepower with the identical
displacement.
I've heard figures thrown around, where the cold air induction can be
responsible for as much as 8 to 11 horsepower (or more?) on the 360ci
engine. On a 540ci, I imagine the increase in horsepower would be somewhat
bigger, although I have no idea if that's correct.
Other than the cold air induction, I'm still a skeptic about ECI's new fuel
injection system design, and I look forward to seeing how it performs in the
fleet. I'm happy with my Airflow Performance setup.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: For Tim Olson |
Many thanks, Tim.
Working hard now to find the right motor.....found a guy in TX to build me a
custom c/s prop designed for speed. Probably take 3-5 months for him to
finish it off.
I'm really interested in what you think of your motor once you get it mounted
and running.
I liked the roller/rods Lyc finally got around to using at Osh, just have a
hard time coughing up the amount of cash they want.....
The Mattituck website looks most interesting, but don't have any history on
them.
I, too, settled on the Chelton's at Osh after looking over GRT and BMT both.
Still debating on whether to use Dynon or BMT sport as my backup ADI. I am
not going to use a vacuum pump at all, and want the redundancy for IMC work.
So.....any light you can shed on your motor once you have done some tinkering
would be helpful, especially going to dual lightspeeds......?
Thanks - John
In a message dated 8/4/2005 12:37:24 AM Central Standard Time, Tim@MyRV10.com
writes:
Hey John,
Glad you found their site. I don't know that they have anything
to actually "do" about the crank problem. I did specifically
ask Bart at OSH *Before* I picked up the engine, what
kind of potential they had for issues with the cranks...he said
that they do have the serial numbers on all parts in the engine,
so if it had been in that range, they'd know about it. So,
I don't think it's a big worry...they'd never knowingly sell you
a bad one.
I put money down on mine about April/May and picked it up at
OSH, but it was ready before that. My guess is that you could
have the engine in a month, but I think they quote more like
3-4 months.
I went with Single Lightspeed Plasma III and a single Mag.
I'm planning on running a main battery, and a smaller
aux. battery. The aux battery will be used during engine
start to prevent kickback on the lightspeed, and to power
my EIS and EFIS during engine start....it will also supply
voltage when my E-Bus switch is flipped. For my
lightspeed, I added a switch (3 way) that will toggle
between powering it from the Aux. Battery Bus and the
Main battery bus (normal). This is all probably not necessary,
considering I have a mag, but if I lose my alternator, it
would still be nice to have a well running engine.
Any more, fire away...
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Cold air induction????? |
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>Compare, for example, the IO-360-A1B6 (200hp) to the O-360-A1A
>(180hp). Both engines have 360 cubic inch displacement. The one
>with cold air induction & angle valve heads produces 20 more
>horsepower with the identical displacement.
Well, not exactly. Both of these engine run their intake through the oil sump,
so neither could be considered cold air induction. The difference in horsepower
between these two engines is better breathing by the IO-306 angle valve and
a slighter higher compression ratio. I think the Millineum sells a sump for
the IO-360 with the intake manifolds separate to also achieve this cold air intake.
Who knows, all this may be good for a 1% increase in HP.
William Curtis
40237 - wings
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: For Tim Olson |
Thanks everyone for the wiring advice. My copy of Bob's AE book is on order.
Mark
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Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: For Tim Olson
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
PS: Before you take ANY steps into planning your wiring, make
sure you *do* get a good book....This is one you need to have
for sure:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Catalog/AECcatalog.html
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
Mark & Kelly wrote:
> /"The aux battery will be used during engine
> start to prevent kickback on the lightspeed, and to power
> my EIS and EFIS during engine start....it will also supply
> voltage when my E-Bus switch is flipped. For my
> lightspeed, I added a switch (3 way) that will toggle
> between powering it from the Aux. Battery Bus and the
> Main battery bus (normal)."/
> //
> Tim,
> Did you do all of this wiring yourself? I would love to be able to do
> this myself, but I am not sure if this is practical. My total
> electrical experience consists of installing ceiling fans, light
> switches, etc. I guess I better start looking for some good books!
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:35 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: For Tim Olson
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> >
> > Hey John,
> >
> > Glad you found their site. I don't know that they have anything
> > to actually "do" about the crank problem. I did specifically
> > ask Bart at OSH *Before* I picked up the engine, what
> > kind of potential they had for issues with the cranks...he said
> > that they do have the serial numbers on all parts in the engine,
> > so if it had been in that range, they'd know about it. So,
> > I don't think it's a big worry...they'd never knowingly sell you
> > a bad one.
> >
> > I put money down on mine about April/May and picked it up at
> > OSH, but it was ready before that. My guess is that you could
> > have the engine in a month, but I think they quote more like
> > 3-4 months.
> >
> > I went with Single Lightspeed Plasma III and a single Mag.
> > I'm planning on running a main battery, and a smaller
> > aux. battery. The aux battery will be used during engine
> > start to prevent kickback on the lightspeed, and to power
> > my EIS and EFIS during engine start....it will also supply
> > voltage when my E-Bus switch is flipped. For my
> > lightspeed, I added a switch (3 way) that will toggle
> > between powering it from the Aux. Battery Bus and the
> > Main battery bus (normal). This is all probably not necessary,
> > considering I have a mag, but if I lose my alternator, it
> > would still be nice to have a well running engine.
> >
> > Any more, fire away...
> > Tim
> >
> > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> >
> >
> > GenGrumpy@aol.com <mailto:GenGrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
> >> Tim,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the info. Got to the site ok.
> >>
> >> What have they done about the Lyc crank problems?
> >>
> >> How long a wait for yours??
> >>
> >> Did you go with dual Lightspeeds? If yes, what about battery back up
> >> for them?
> >>
> >> Thanks - John
> >>
> >> In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:48:33 PM Central Standard Time,
> >> Tim@MyRV10.com <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com> writes:
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> >>
> >> Their prices were exactly as advertized on their web page. The
> total
> >> package, with the Lightspeed Plasma III and all of the options I
> bought
> >> (which didn't include an alternator) was just over $33,500. It's
> >> not technically "zero time" since it's not done at the factory, so
> >> it's an overhaul, but with an experimental, you still start the logs
> >> at zero. Had it been certified, it may have been a different story.
> >> Bart overhauls only to NEW limits though, so the crank is not
> >> ground undersized and all parts that were not brand new should be
> >> the same as new.
> >>
> >> All of their contact info is at:
> >> http://www.aerosportpower.com/
> >>
> >> If you don't have access to the website, let me know and I'll
> >> dig up the address and phone for you.
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >> GenGrumpy@aol.com <mailto:GenGrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
> >> > Tim, how much did they charge you for the motor? Is it a zero
> >> time or
> >> > rebuild?
> >> >
> >> > Do you have a name and phone number for them?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > John Miller
> >> > 40404 empennage
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > RV10-List Email browse
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
If you are going with a PC based weather system I strongly recommend the
Motion Computing tablet PC. My neighbor has it and in bright sunlight
it is dramatically clearer than my Compaq tablet. But neither are as
good as the panel mounted displays.
Scott Schmidt wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>
>The PC based weather systems do seem to be the best right now. If you
>are going to pay $30 or $50/ month for the service you might as well
>have a system that has the capabilities to display all the features it
>offers. It is amazing to see the cloud cover, radar, METARS, winds
>aloft on the Motion Computing tablet PC. Chelton said that they will
>offer an XM weather option soon and it should be great with their high
>resolution screens but I don't think it will be as good as the motion
>computing.
>
>Also, here is something really cool you can do with a tablet PC. If you
>have internet access on your phone, you can use the Bluetooth on the
>tablet PC to get on the internet and you can file your flight plans,
>update your software, and get any other info you need right there in
>your plane. The other day, my friend was flying in his RV-6 with the
>TruTrak II on with nothing to do so he connected to the internet found
>there was an update for his Dynon, downloaded it and updated it within a
>couple of minutes.
>Pretty cool. Now all I need is a Starbucks Latte machine in the RV-10
>and I will sell the house.
>
>Scott Schmidt
>sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:07 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
>We went with #3 and it is working great for us (we have the 430 not the
>480,
>though). We are running it with the TruTrak A/P with GPS Stearing, but
>without the vertical option. The main thing we want that we don't have
>it
>weather. We are probably going to go with one of the software options
>for
>now and run it on a laptop to start with and see how we like it and how
>much
>we use it. Then we will end up going with a tablet PC or a pocket PC to
>run
>the weather and moving map with terrain (much nicer than the low detail
>that
>the 430 gives you).
>
>Jesse Saint
>I-TEC, Inc.
>jesse@itecusa.org
>www.itecusa.org
>W: 352-465-4545
>C: 352-427-0285
>F: 815-377-3694
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:13 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
><sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>
>
>I have spent way too much time researching this as well.
>
>EFIS
>>From what I have found the only two EFIS systems I would recommend are
>the Chelton and the Grand Rapids. For a basic system I would also
>recommend the Dynon.
>
>Autopilot
>The only system out there is the TruTrak.
>
>Here are the configurations I would recommend for a great IFR aircraft
>
>All would use the TruTrak Digiflight II with Vertical GPS steering
>1. EFIS - Chelton
> Comm - SL-30 or SL-40 (both if you don't want to add the GPS)
> IFR GPS (not really needed) - GNS 480 or GNS 430 (I will go with
>the GNS 430 since it is only $3000 more than the SL-30 and has so much
>more functionality)
>
>2. EFIS - Grand Rapids
> Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
> IFR GPS - GNS 480 (The GNS 480 is a great IFR GPS and I would
>recommend it for all the Victor airway data that is in it since the
>Grand Rapids does not currently have it. If you have a Chelton, you
>don't need it because the Chelton does everything!!!!)
>
>3. EFIS - Dynon
> Comm - SL-30 or SL-40
> IFR GPS - GNS 480
>
>I don't want to get into why I wouldn't recommend the Blue Mountain too
>much but they have had problems and their autopilot is not even close to
>the TruTrak especially when linked to the Cheltons. Chelton has a
>training DVD you should get from Direct-2-Avionics if you are
>considering the Chelton. It will push you over the edge. When I ran
>all the numbers, the Chelton system was $8000 more than the Grand Rapids
>system in my panel since the autopilot was free at Oshkosh, and I could
>go to a GNS 430 instead of the 480. It is a big chunk of change up front
>but in the end I know it will be worth it.
>
>So what else did I find at Oshkosh that was cool?
>- For weather I am going with the new Motion Computing tablet PC that is
>9" X 7" and will run the WxWorks software with the Bluetooth GPS. It
>won't be panel mounted but I am going to try to rig up something nice.
>- MT has a cool chrome spinner for the MT prop
>
>Scott Schmidt
>sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:18 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>Kent,
>
>I didn't want to jump the gun on this, but it sounds like you need
>some info so I'll give you my work-in-progress.
>
>http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/theory/
>
>I did really look hard at the BMA stuff at OSH 2004, but after some
>poking questions at them, I dropped that idea completely.
> From reviews at that time, the AP was not very stable, but
>that may have been fixed. The bigger issues are the
>capabilities that it does NOT have. Sure, you can stick
>in a flight plan and fly it, but there are no approaches in
>the thing (** My info is rusty and a year old, so check it out
>for your self of course), so you can't fly any approaches with
>it. At the time, they also couldn't fly the approaches loaded
>into a GNS480, (or perhaps at least the vertical component), so
>that really tossed it out the window. My advice is to have someone
>who has good IFR experience (if you dont' have any) help you
>come up with your requirements and then plug them with some
>very hard and firm questions that you want answers to. I
>think you'll find that from a functional standpoint, they're
>lacking considerably if you want a good EFIS for IFR ops.
>Grand Rapids would be a much better choice, and of course,
>there's Chelton.
>
>Also, as a side note, once I finish the above page, I plan to
>give a good run-down of how I picked Chelton. It's actually
>very interesting/educational to see how you can actually trim
>some components and costs out, buy paying more for those
>boxes. They're definitely not for everyone, but anyone
>looking at a couple of nice and expensive screens will stand
>to benefit from hashing it over.
>
>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>Current project: Fuselage
>
>
>Kent Forsythe wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Forsythe
>><matronix.rv10@4sythe.com>
>>
>>Does anyone have any experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS (Lite or
>>Sport) and the autopilot option that they also sell? Compared to
>>stand-alone autopilots, the addon to the Blue Mountain seems very low
>>priced given the advertised capabilities (ie. two axis, GPS flight
>>plan tracking, etc.).
>>
>>I'm curious if anyone knows any drawbacks of the system or has
>>experience they'd like to share. At a first look, it seems as
>>though you could get the EFIS/Lite and the autopilot complete with
>>servos for around $6,000.
>>
>>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>PS. Randy D., it was great getting to meet you and your wife Monday
>>at OSH. Your 10 looks great.
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Kevin Echols <kmechols@yahoo.com>
I believe the hard drives in the Motion Computing tablet PC are limited to
10,000' (operating). Something to keep in mind...
http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_ls800.asp
-Kevin
--- Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> If you are going with a PC based weather system I strongly recommend the
> Motion Computing tablet PC. My neighbor has it and in bright sunlight
> it is dramatically clearer than my Compaq tablet. But neither are as
> good as the panel mounted displays.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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| Subject: | Fw: Important Wash D.C. ADIZ update |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
Not building related but if you can find some time, please read and provide
comments at the sites below. The proposal is to extend the current ~30nmi
ring to 50nmi and making it permanent. Pls also pass on to fellow pilots.
Thanks,
Anh
#141
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: ASN@AOPA.ORG [mailto:ASN@AOPA.ORG]
Subject: Important ADIZ update
Dear ASN Volunteers:
As you may have read on AOPA Online or in "ePilot" last week, AOPA
Senior Vice President of Government and Technical Affairs, Andy Cebula,
met with Office of Management and Budget (OMB) officials regarding a
proposal to make the Washington, D.C., Air Defense Identification
Zone (ADIZ) permanent
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050728adiz.html ).
This anticipated proposal was published today in the Federal Register.
When the ADIZ was established in February 2003, without input from
the pilot community, it was intended to be temporary. However, more
than two years later it still exists, and the government wants to make
it permanent.
AOPA has full coverage of the ADIZ on our Web site
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050803adiz.html ),
including the actual notice of proposed rulemaking
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050804adiz-nprm.pdf ).
The comment period is open for 90 days. Please alert your fellow
pilots and direct them to AOPA's Web site ( http://www.aopa.org )
for continued updates. We will be asking members across the country
to comment on the proposal.
Thank you for your help!
--The ASN Staff
Stacy (Platone) Swigart, Director
John L. Collins, Government Technical Specialist
Kim Reed, Program Specialist
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| Subject: | Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup |
You may want to check out the strobe kit I use at http://www.strobesnmore.com . Single unit power pack, 4 strobe tubes, shielded wires, connectors.
Anh
#141
----- Original Message -----
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Exterior lighting choices - followup
If anyone is interested here is what I decided on:
- CreativAir's 3 strobe kit: <http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath27&products_id36>
- Whelen tail strobe/position from Vans as it seems to be the only one that fits the small spot in the fairing: http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident1123168358-134-558&browselighting&producta555/500light.
- Bill Dubes rectangular LED Nav lights: http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath22&products_id61
The LED light on the CreativAir's sight doesn't list the assembled version so
I have an email into Bill Vondane to find out if he just forgot to add it. I
can always get the assembled version direct from Bill Dube for $5 less. Grand
total for this will be around $740 without shipping. The equivalent Whelen
system from Van's (System 6) using conventional nav lights is $780. So I only
save $40 but I get a, hopefully, more reliable system that uses less power.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 wings
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:16 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Exterior lighting choices
Ok, I'm ordering accessories for the wings so I have them when I need them.
Got the wing kit for Rob's AOA system, ordered the Duckworks HID and the aileron
trim ($275 in case anyone is wondering) from Van's. Still need to order the
pitot tube, probably be the Gretz. Now I'm trying to decide on who to use
for my strobes/LED nav lights. Whelen is out because of the cost. So this leaves
me; Aeroflash, CreativAir, and GS-Air. Of course none of them were at Airventure.
First question, how many people out there experienced any problems with the strobes
being powered from a central power supply? If I end up getting strobes
with a central supply I will probably run the power leads in a dedicated conduit
as far away from the other leads, including the Archer Nav coax, as possible.
I would prefer strobes run from local power supplies but Aeroflash is the
only option of the three for this and I still need to price them out. I'll probably
get the Aeroflash for the tail strobe either way but I need to check the
flange dimensions so I can make sure it fit's ok.
Does anyone have any preference between GS-Air or Creativ-Air? They are both
similar and pretty much the same cost. Anyone currently using any of the above
that can give us a pirep?
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 wings
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| Subject: | Cold air induction????? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Dan, did you get a chance to see the BPA Cold Induction IO-540 with
tuned exhaust at OSH? 290HP. With Thielert Roller lifters it's even
more reliable.
John - KUAO
P.S. The only thing prettier was Tim's platinum AeroSport.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cold air induction?????
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> What benefit will it offer? What exactly will it do?
Colder, denser intake air (not heated by the sump) enables the engine to
produce more horsepower.
Compare, for example, the IO-360-A1B6 (200hp) to the O-360-A1A (180hp).
Both engines have 360 cubic inch displacement. The one with cold air
induction & angle valve heads produces 20 more horsepower with the
identical
displacement.
I've heard figures thrown around, where the cold air induction can be
responsible for as much as 8 to 11 horsepower (or more?) on the 360ci
engine. On a 540ci, I imagine the increase in horsepower would be
somewhat
bigger, although I have no idea if that's correct.
Other than the cold air induction, I'm still a skeptic about ECI's new
fuel
injection system design, and I look forward to seeing how it performs in
the
fleet. I'm happy with my Airflow Performance setup.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Cold air induction????? |
William,
While you're technically correct that the intake runs "through the sump," on my
IO-360-A1B6 the intake section of the sump is below the chamber where the oil
sits.
On an O-360-A1A, the intake tubes literally run *through* hot oil.
My IO-360-A1B6 has a stock compression ratio of 8.7:1.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: William Curtis
To: dan@rvproject.com ; RV10-List@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cold air induction?????
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>Compare, for example, the IO-360-A1B6 (200hp) to the O-360-A1A
>(180hp). Both engines have 360 cubic inch displacement. The one
>with cold air induction & angle valve heads produces 20 more
>horsepower with the identical displacement.
Well, not exactly. Both of these engine run their intake through the oil sump,
so neither could be considered "cold air" induction. The difference in horsepower
between these two engines is better breathing by the IO-306 angle valve
and a slighter higher compression ratio. I think the Millineum sells a sump for
the IO-360 with the intake manifolds separate to also achieve this "cold air
intake". Who knows, all this may be good for a 1% increase in HP.
William Curtis
40237 - wings
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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