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1. 03:02 AM - Re: Cold air induction????? (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
2. 03:13 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
3. 03:30 AM - Re: Update from OSH (Indran Chelvanayagam)
4. 05:47 AM - For Tim- stained glass windows (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
5. 05:55 AM - Re: Cold air induction????? (Gary Specketer)
6. 06:09 AM - Re: Update from OSH (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
7. 06:23 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (linn walters)
8. 06:29 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
9. 06:40 AM - Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup (Larry Rosen)
10. 06:55 AM - Re: For Tim- stained glass windows (Tim Olson)
11. 07:05 AM - Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
12. 07:06 AM - Re: For Tim Olson (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
13. 07:10 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
14. 07:13 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
15. 07:32 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Dj Merrill)
16. 07:35 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
17. 07:57 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot ()
18. 07:58 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Jim Combs)
19. 07:58 AM - Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
20. 08:02 AM - Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup (Jim Combs)
21. 08:09 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
22. 08:13 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (923te)
23. 08:13 AM - Re: Cold air induction????? (William Curtis)
24. 08:13 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Jesse Saint)
25. 08:16 AM - Re: Cold air induction????? (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
26. 08:16 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Jesse Saint)
27. 08:25 AM - Re: Cold air induction????? (William Curtis)
28. 08:25 AM - Re: Update from OSH (Indran Chelvanayagam)
29. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: Cold air induction????? (923te)
30. 08:31 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
31. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Cold air induction????? (BPA)
32. 08:34 AM - Re: Update from OSH (William Curtis)
33. 08:38 AM - RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy (LessDragProd@aol.com)
34. 08:41 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Jim Combs)
35. 08:44 AM - Solid State Storage (James Hein)
36. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: Cold air induction????? (Dan Checkoway)
37. 08:54 AM - MT Propeller Controller (923te)
38. 08:55 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
39. 08:58 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
40. 09:04 AM - Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup (William Curtis)
41. 09:06 AM - Re: MT Propeller Controller (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
42. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
43. 09:15 AM - Re: MT Propeller Controller (923te)
44. 10:23 AM - [ANN] RV-10 Wiki (Sean Stephens)
45. 10:58 AM - FADEC TMX-540 (Eric Parlow)
46. 11:52 AM - Re: [ANN] RV-10 Wiki (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
47. 12:38 PM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Scott Schmidt)
48. 12:52 PM - The 12th 10 (Jeff Carpenter)
49. 01:03 PM - Re: The 12th 10 (James Hein)
50. 01:30 PM - Re: The 12th 10 (Jeff Carpenter)
51. 01:42 PM - Re: The 12th 10 (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
52. 01:49 PM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (Mark & Kelly)
53. 02:20 PM - Test, please ignore... (Matt Dralle)
54. 02:24 PM - Test #2, please ignore... (Matt Dralle)
55. 02:29 PM - Test #3, please ignore... (Matt Dralle)
56. 02:50 PM - Re: The 12th 10 (Tim Olson)
57. 02:57 PM - Re: Update from OSH - Precision EMS (Brian)
58. 03:08 PM - Crate Sizes - Was: The 12th 10 (Sean Stephens)
59. 03:27 PM - Re: Fw: Important Wash D.C. ADIZ update (AI Nut)
60. 03:31 PM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot (AI Nut)
61. 03:36 PM - Re: Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup (Sean Stephens)
62. 03:53 PM - GrandRapids EFIS (Chris Johnston)
63. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup (Tim Olson)
64. 04:51 PM - Re: GrandRapids EFIS (Deems Davis)
65. 05:12 PM - Re: Fw: Important Wash D.C. ADIZ update (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
66. 06:59 PM - Pnuematic Squeezer (Rob Hunter)
67. 07:26 PM - Re: Pnuematic Squeezer (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
68. 07:50 PM - Re: GrandRapids EFIS (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
69. 07:58 PM - Re: Pnuematic Squeezer (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
70. 08:15 PM - For Tim Olson (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
71. 08:15 PM - Re: GrandRapids EFIS (Mark)
72. 08:48 PM - Re: For Tim Olson (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Cold air induction????? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
You can go out to google and do a search on cold air intakes. This is a
common feature done by tuners on auto engines to create denser air, IE
more oxygen for the burn. It does make a noticeable difference on my
Acura, at least I like to think that because it cost a couple of hundred
for the Ice Air intake, but at the same time they change out the factory
airbox, so it maybe just a result of smoother intake air flow?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn walters
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cold air induction?????
--> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
I'll take a stab at it!
Mani Ravee wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
>To all you engineering types out there: what exactly is "cold air
induction"
>as advertised by ECI in their new kit engines? In lay man's terms,
please.
>
This part is easy. I'm definitely in the layman category!!!
"cold air induction" means that cold (ambient) air reaches the cylinders
for combustion. The difference is in the sump. The normal Lycosaur
induction is through the carb through tubes in the oil sump. That's
where the hot oil congregates. That hot oil heats the air, making it
less dense. Less dense air means less power produced.
>What benefit will it offer?
>
Some additional HP. How much is going to be pure speculation since
you're not comparing apples/apples anymore. I'd call it theroetical HP
improvement.
> What exactly will it do?
>
I haven't a clue. It may just be a marketing ploy. All things being
equal, the ECI engine MIGHT produce more HP than the Lycosaur .... but
again how much???
>Please pardon my ignorance.
>
No problem. We've all been there at one time or another. Unfortunately
the human population isn't endowed with instinct when it comes to
aviation!
Good luck
Linn
do not archive
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>Mani Ravee, MD
>Indianapolis, KUMP
>#40339. N528AR
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
I learned this from the list, and I have been a hardware geek for a long
time, All standard hard drives are ported to the air, they use pressure
from the spinning platters to float the heads, when you get above 10k
the air density is not enough to ensure that you will not get a head
strike with movement. Now with that being said and being from CO
originally, there was many days with the heat that density altitude was
above 10k on the ground and our PC's, desktop and laptop, did not stop
working, that is not to say that there was not a greater chance of
failure, just that the manufacture was only willing to warrant there
operation to 10k, which seems funny because most of the South West sits
at 6k plus and with heat you would have all kinds of DA problems if this
was true.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Echols
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: Kevin Echols <kmechols@yahoo.com>
I believe the hard drives in the Motion Computing tablet PC are limited
to
10,000' (operating). Something to keep in mind...
http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_ls800.asp
-Kevin
--- Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> If you are going with a PC based weather system I strongly recommend
the
> Motion Computing tablet PC. My neighbor has it and in bright sunlight
> it is dramatically clearer than my Compaq tablet. But neither are as
> good as the panel mounted displays.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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| Subject: | Re: Update from OSH |
Brian, in response to your query regarding the Precison EMS/FADEC system -
yes, they are planning a 6 cyl version.
HOWEVER ....
After sitting through a 60 min presentation, it was revealed that this
system is not "closed loop" - ie it does not have EGT probes. It has CHT
probes, but only uses this info as a failsafe, to move the mixture to full
rich if CHT rises too high. So the EMS takes only manifold pressure and RPM,
and empirically adjusts mixture - IMHO a less satisfactory method than using
EGTs/CHTs. But it will be cheap - "slightly more" than the cost of 2 Mags +
coils etc.
Indran Chelvanayagam
#40228
Bunbury, Western Australia (temporarily relocated to OSH)
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| Subject: | For Tim- stained glass windows |
Check this out, I am going to call and get one made for my office, thought it would
be cool in addition to your shirts!
www.flyingcolorsglass.com
> Dan Lloyd
> Manager of Information Technology
> Werner Company
> 93 Werner Road
> Greenville, PA 16126
>
> lloyddr@wernerco.com
> 1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
> 1-724-988-9230 cell
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| Subject: | Cold air induction????? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Gary Specketer" <speckter@comcast.net>
Lycoming and others preheat the air for a reason. Those who fly high or
in northern climates need to have the air tempered to have even and
complete combustion. Like all things in aviation you need to give up
something to get something. Just some thoughts for you to consider.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cold air induction?????
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
--> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
You can go out to google and do a search on cold air intakes. This is a
common feature done by tuners on auto engines to create denser air, IE
more oxygen for the burn. It does make a noticeable difference on my
Acura, at least I like to think that because it cost a couple of hundred
for the Ice Air intake, but at the same time they change out the factory
airbox, so it maybe just a result of smoother intake air flow?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn walters
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cold air induction?????
--> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
I'll take a stab at it!
Mani Ravee wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
>To all you engineering types out there: what exactly is "cold air
induction"
>as advertised by ECI in their new kit engines? In lay man's terms,
please.
>
This part is easy. I'm definitely in the layman category!!! "cold air
induction" means that cold (ambient) air reaches the cylinders
for combustion. The difference is in the sump. The normal Lycosaur
induction is through the carb through tubes in the oil sump. That's
where the hot oil congregates. That hot oil heats the air, making it
less dense. Less dense air means less power produced.
>What benefit will it offer?
>
Some additional HP. How much is going to be pure speculation since
you're not comparing apples/apples anymore. I'd call it theroetical HP
improvement.
> What exactly will it do?
>
I haven't a clue. It may just be a marketing ploy. All things being
equal, the ECI engine MIGHT produce more HP than the Lycosaur .... but
again how much???
>Please pardon my ignorance.
>
No problem. We've all been there at one time or another. Unfortunately
the human population isn't endowed with instinct when it comes to
aviation! Good luck Linn do not archive
>
>
>Mani Ravee, MD
>Indianapolis, KUMP
>#40339. N528AR
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If they've got accurate Fuel Flow, it might work okay for them. Each engine has
a curve of what the best economy and best power fuel flow rates are for any
given power setting of the engine. So theoretically you can do a lookup based
on the current power and the FADEC can set the mixture to the correct FF for
that power. EGT has traditionally been used because it was easily measured and
analyzed by the pilot. You couldn't very easily read a graph and interpolate
fuel flow point in the cockpit very well - no problem for a computer, though.
Question: Do you get to choose Best Economy or Best Power, or how does the FADEC
decide which you want? I've often wondered what the FADEC in my car is doing
- Economy or Power?
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Indran Chelvanayagam
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Update from OSH
Brian, in response to your query regarding the Precison EMS/FADEC system - yes,
they are planning a 6 cyl version.
HOWEVER ....
After sitting through a 60 min presentation, it was revealed that this system is
not "closed loop" - ie it does not have EGT probes. It has CHT probes, but only
uses this info as a failsafe, to move the mixture to full rich if CHT rises
too high. So the EMS takes only manifold pressure and RPM, and empirically adjusts
mixture - IMHO a less satisfactory method than using EGTs/CHTs. But it
will be cheap - "slightly more" than the cost of 2 Mags + coils etc.
Indran Chelvanayagam
#40228
Bunbury, Western Australia (temporarily relocated to OSH)
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
This may be urban legend, but I'm not so sure. The physics are there to
support the hypothesis. The statement that 'all standard hard drives
are ported to the air' isn't true. I've dismantled a couple of older
drives that had no way to equalize ...... they were sealed with an
'o-ring' where the case split. However, having said that ...... most of
the computers at altitude are inside where air conditioning helps the
density altitude part, and you don't bounce your PC around like you'd do
in really rough air. Just a few thoughts ..... and something to chew on.
Now, if your hard drive is certified to 10K (don't know where that info
or number comes from) ...... I doubt that it's a brick wall. More like
a 'suggested' number like TBO. Again, I have no facts ..... and haven't
seen any either. Just something to ponder when you have an idle moment!!!
Linn
Please ..... do not archive this drivel! Hmmm ...... drivel ......
drive-l???????
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
>I learned this from the list, and I have been a hardware geek for a long
>time, All standard hard drives are ported to the air, they use pressure
>from the spinning platters to float the heads, when you get above 10k
>the air density is not enough to ensure that you will not get a head
>strike with movement. Now with that being said and being from CO
>originally, there was many days with the heat that density altitude was
>above 10k on the ground and our PC's, desktop and laptop, did not stop
>working, that is not to say that there was not a greater chance of
>failure, just that the manufacture was only willing to warrant there
>operation to 10k, which seems funny because most of the South West sits
>at 6k plus and with heat you would have all kinds of DA problems if this
>was true.
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Echols
>Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:25 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Kevin Echols <kmechols@yahoo.com>
>
>I believe the hard drives in the Motion Computing tablet PC are limited
>to
>10,000' (operating). Something to keep in mind...
>
>http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_ls800.asp
>
>-Kevin
>
>--- Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net> wrote:
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
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>>If you are going with a PC based weather system I strongly recommend
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>>Motion Computing tablet PC. My neighbor has it and in bright sunlight
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>>it is dramatically clearer than my Compaq tablet. But neither are as
>>good as the panel mounted displays.
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
These days, why use a hard drive? Some nice Flash memory works great.
TDT
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of linn walters
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
This may be urban legend, but I'm not so sure. The physics are there to support
the hypothesis. The statement that 'all standard hard drives are ported to
the air' isn't true. I've dismantled a couple of older drives that had no way
to equalize ...... they were sealed with an 'o-ring' where the case split.
However, having said that ...... most of the computers at altitude are inside
where air conditioning helps the density altitude part, and you don't bounce your
PC around like you'd do in really rough air. Just a few thoughts ..... and
something to chew on.
Now, if your hard drive is certified to 10K (don't know where that info or number
comes from) ...... I doubt that it's a brick wall. More like a 'suggested'
number like TBO. Again, I have no facts ..... and haven't seen any either.
Just something to ponder when you have an idle moment!!!
Linn
Please ..... do not archive this drivel! Hmmm ...... drivel ...... drive-l???????
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
I learned this from the list, and I have been a hardware geek for a long
time, All standard hard drives are ported to the air, they use pressure
from the spinning platters to float the heads, when you get above 10k
the air density is not enough to ensure that you will not get a head
strike with movement. Now with that being said and being from CO
originally, there was many days with the heat that density altitude was
above 10k on the ground and our PC's, desktop and laptop, did not stop
working, that is not to say that there was not a greater chance of
failure, just that the manufacture was only willing to warrant there
operation to 10k, which seems funny because most of the South West sits
at 6k plus and with heat you would have all kinds of DA problems if this
was true.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[ mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Echols
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: Kevin Echols <mailto:kmechols@yahoo.com> <kmechols@yahoo.com>
I believe the hard drives in the Motion Computing tablet PC are limited
to
10,000' (operating). Something to keep in mind...
http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_ls800.asp
-Kevin
--- Larry Rosen <mailto:LarryRosen@comcast.net> <LarryRosen@comcast.net> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <mailto:LarryRosen@comcast.net> <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
If you are going with a PC based weather system I strongly recommend
the
Motion Computing tablet PC. My neighbor has it and in bright sunlight
it is dramatically clearer than my Compaq tablet. But neither are as
good as the panel mounted displays.
=09
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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| Subject: | Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Anh,
Which kit did you use? The 60 watt 4 head X-Pack kit? (except for the
mounting bracket it looks just like the creative air system).
Are you using the Whelen tail strobe/position light in the tail?
Larry
http://rv10pilot.home.comcast.net/
DejaVu wrote:
> You may want to check out the strobe kit I use at
> http://www.strobesnmore.com . Single unit power pack, 4 strobe tubes,
> shielded wires, connectors.
> Anh
> #141
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:18 PM
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Exterior lighting choices - followup
>
> If anyone is interested here is what I decided on:
>
> - CreativAir's 3 strobe kit:
> <http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=36
> <http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=36>>
>
> - Whelen tail strobe/position from Vans as it seems to be the only
> one that fits the small spot in the fairing:
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1123168358-134-558&browse=lighting&product=a555/500light
> <http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1123168358-134-558&browse=lighting&product=a555/500light>.
>
> - Bill Dubes rectangular LED Nav lights:
> http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=61
> <http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=61>
>
> The LED light on the CreativAir's sight doesn't list the assembled
> version so I have an email into Bill Vondane to find out if he
> just forgot to add it. I can always get the assembled version
> direct from Bill Dube for $5 less. Grand total for this will be
> around $740 without shipping. The equivalent Whelen system from
> Van's (System 6) using conventional nav lights is $780. So I only
> save $40 but I get a, hopefully, more reliable system that uses
> less power.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 wings
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV
> Builder (Michael Sausen)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:16 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Exterior lighting choices
>
> Ok, I'm ordering accessories for the wings so I have them when I
> need them. Got the wing kit for Rob's AOA system, ordered the
> Duckworks HID and the aileron trim ($275 in case anyone is
> wondering) from Van's. Still need to order the pitot tube,
> probably be the Gretz. Now I'm trying to decide on who to use for
> my strobes/LED nav lights. Whelen is out because of the cost. So
> this leaves me; Aeroflash, CreativAir, and GS-Air. Of course none
> of them were at Airventure.
>
> First question, how many people out there experienced any problems
> with the strobes being powered from a central power supply? If I
> end up getting strobes with a central supply I will probably run
> the power leads in a dedicated conduit as far away from the other
> leads, including the Archer Nav coax, as possible. I would prefer
> strobes run from local power supplies but Aeroflash is the only
> option of the three for this and I still need to price them out.
> I'll probably get the Aeroflash for the tail strobe either way but
> I need to check the flange dimensions so I can make sure it fit's ok.
>
> Does anyone have any preference between GS-Air or Creativ-Air?
> They are both similar and pretty much the same cost. Anyone
> currently using any of the above that can give us a pirep?
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 wings
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Dan,
That's way cool. I may just have to do that. ;)
I modified the URL below so others could click it...
the original had coding that was file:// before the
URL so it wasn't clickable.
Tim
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
> Check this out, I am going to call and get one made for my office,
> thought it would be cool in addition to your shirts!
http://www.flyingcolorsglass.com
>
> Dan Lloyd
> Manager of Information Technology
> Werner Company
> 93 Werner Road
> Greenville, PA 16126
>
> _lloyddr@wernerco.com_ <mailto:lloyddr@wernerco.com>
> 1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
> 1-724-988-9230 cell
>
>
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| Subject: | Exterior lighting choices - followup |
%(
%$!####&*! That appears to be identical to the CreativAir supply for about $135
less with an extra strobe and some cheezy switches. Looks like Bill just rebrands
it and Jacks the price waaaay up. D'oh! Could have used this yesterday.
:-) Oh well, at least everyone else can benefit from your thorough searching.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Main Spar
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Exterior lighting choices - followup
You may want to check out the strobe kit I use at http://www.strobesnmore.com . Single unit power pack, 4 strobe tubes, shielded wires, connectors.
Anh
#141
----- Original Message -----
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Exterior lighting choices - followup
If anyone is interested here is what I decided on:
- CreativAir's 3 strobe kit: <http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath27&products_id36>
- Whelen tail strobe/position from Vans as it seems to be the only one that fits the small spot in the fairing: http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident1123168358-134-558&browselighting&producta555/500light.
- Bill Dubes rectangular LED Nav lights: http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath22&products_id61
The LED light on the CreativAir's sight doesn't list the assembled version
so I have an email into Bill Vondane to find out if he just forgot to add
it. I can always get the assembled version direct from Bill Dube for $5 less.
Grand total for this will be around $740 without shipping. The equivalent Whelen
system from Van's (System 6) using conventional nav lights is $780. So
I only save $40 but I get a, hopefully, more reliable system that uses less power.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 wings
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:16 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Exterior lighting choices
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Ok, I'm ordering accessories for the wings so I have them when I need
them. Got the wing kit for Rob's AOA system, ordered the Duckworks HID and the
aileron trim ($275 in case anyone is wondering) from Van's. Still need to order
the pitot tube, probably be the Gretz. Now I'm trying to decide on who to
use for my strobes/LED nav lights. Whelen is out because of the cost. So this
leaves me; Aeroflash, CreativAir, and GS-Air. Of course none of them were
at Airventure.
First question, how many people out there experienced any problems with
the strobes being powered from a central power supply? If I end up getting strobes
with a central supply I will probably run the power leads in a dedicated
conduit as far away from the other leads, including the Archer Nav coax, as
possible. I would prefer strobes run from local power supplies but Aeroflash
is the only option of the three for this and I still need to price them out.
I'll probably get the Aeroflash for the tail strobe either way but I need to check
the flange dimensions so I can make sure it fit's ok.
Does anyone have any preference between GS-Air or Creativ-Air? They are
both similar and pretty much the same cost. Anyone currently using any of the
above that can give us a pirep?
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 wings
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And make sure you subscribe to the Aerolectric Matronics list for gobs of free
advice that would cost you $42/hr anywhere else.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Main Spars
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Subject: Re: RV10-List: For Tim Olson
Thanks everyone for the wiring advice. My copy of Bob's AE book is on order.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Olson <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: For Tim Olson
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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PS: Before you take ANY steps into planning your wiring, make
sure you *do* get a good book....This is one you need to have
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Catalog/AECcatalog.html
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Current project: Fuselage
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Mark & Kelly wrote:
> /"The aux battery will be used during engine
> start to prevent kickback on the lightspeed, and to power
> my EIS and EFIS during engine start....it will also supply
> voltage when my E-Bus switch is flipped. For my
> lightspeed, I added a switch (3 way) that will toggle
> between powering it from the Aux. Battery Bus and the
> Main battery bus (normal)."/
> //
> Tim,
> Did you do all of this wiring yourself? I would love to be able to do
> this myself, but I am not sure if this is practical. My total
> electrical experience consists of installing ceiling fans, light
> switches, etc. I guess I better start looking for some good books!
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:35 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: For Tim Olson
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> >
> > Hey John,
> >
> > Glad you found their site. I don't know that they have anything
> > to actually "do" about the crank problem. I did specifically
> > ask Bart at OSH *Before* I picked up the engine, what
> > kind of potential they had for issues with the cranks...he said
> > that they do have the serial numbers on all parts in the engine,
> > so if it had been in that range, they'd know about it. So,
> > I don't think it's a big worry...they'd never knowingly sell you
> > a bad one.
> >
> > I put money down on mine about April/May and picked it up at
> > OSH, but it was ready before that. My guess is that you could
> > have the engine in a month, but I think they quote more like
> > 3-4 months.
> >
> > I went with Single Lightspeed Plasma III and a single Mag.
> > I'm planning on running a main battery, and a smaller
> > aux. battery. The aux battery will be used during engine
> > start to prevent kickback on the lightspeed, and to power
> > my EIS and EFIS during engine start....it will also supply
> > voltage when my E-Bus switch is flipped. For my
> > lightspeed, I added a switch (3 way) that will toggle
> > between powering it from the Aux. Battery Bus and the
> > Main battery bus (normal). This is all probably not necessary,
> > considering I have a mag, but if I lose my alternator, it
> > would still be nice to have a well running engine.
> >
> > Any more, fire away...
> > Tim
> >
> > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> >
> >
> > GenGrumpy@aol.com <mailto:GenGrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
> >> Tim,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the info. Got to the site ok.
> >>
> >> What have they done about the Lyc crank problems?
> >>
> >> How long a wait for yours??
> >>
> >> Did you go with dual Lightspeeds? If yes, what about battery back
up
> >> for them?
> >>
> >> Thanks - John
> >>
> >> In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:48:33 PM Central Standard Time,
> >> Tim@MyRV10.com <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com> writes:
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> >>
> >> Their prices were exactly as advertized on their web page. The
> total
> >> package, with the Lightspeed Plasma III and all of the options
I
> bought
> >> (which didn't include an alternator) was just over $33,500.
It's
> >> not technically "zero time" since it's not done at the factory,
so
> >> it's an overhaul, but with an experimental, you still start the
logs
> >> at zero. Had it been certified, it may have been a different
story.
> >> Bart overhauls only to NEW limits though, so the crank is not
> >> ground undersized and all parts that were not brand new should
be
> >> the same as new.
> >>
> >> All of their contact info is at:
> >> http://www.aerosportpower.com/
> >>
> >> If you don't have access to the website, let me know and I'll
> >> dig up the address and phone for you.
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >> GenGrumpy@aol.com <mailto:GenGrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
> >> > Tim, how much did they charge you for the motor? Is it a
zero
> >> time or
> >> > rebuild?
> >> >
> >> > Do you have a name and phone number for them?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > John Miller
> >> > 40404 empennage
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > RV10-List Email browse
> > Photoshare, and much much more:
> > bsp; color#000080 faceArial
> color#000080 size2>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> p; Navigator Photoshare, and much much ;
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
The older drives are included in this, the gasket is for dust
prevention, look at the side of the drives and they have a port for air
equalization. As for the specs they are located in the OP manual for the
drive and many are printed on the drive case. Most notebooks do not
reside totally in A/C, IE they are portable and wifi makes them work
just about anywhere in most cities. How many colleges out west have you
seen that air condition the entire campus? and it is a req for those
students to have a PC. As for rough air, you have not experienced our
road warriors and the high amount of care they put into keeping their
PCs safe. I watched a salesman in his car, login to the laptop, get the
info he needed, left the top up and toss it over his should into the
back seat. Needless to say the PC survived, so they do take some abuse,
they have new tough books that can take Hummer running over them, and
they use standard internal parts. The only way to ensure higher
availability in HD is to go solid state, they have these coming out, and
they are getting more affordable The two highest failure rates on PC's
are the moving parts, IE Hard Drives, and Fans, replace those with
non-moving parts then your TBO goes way up.
Being in the IT industry, I can not wait to get to more reliable
desktops with instant on. We are getting there, but it takes time.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn walters
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
This may be urban legend, but I'm not so sure. The physics are there to
support the hypothesis. The statement that 'all standard hard drives
are ported to the air' isn't true. I've dismantled a couple of older
drives that had no way to equalize ...... they were sealed with an
'o-ring' where the case split. However, having said that ...... most of
the computers at altitude are inside where air conditioning helps the
density altitude part, and you don't bounce your PC around like you'd do
in really rough air. Just a few thoughts ..... and something to chew
on.
Now, if your hard drive is certified to 10K (don't know where that info
or number comes from) ...... I doubt that it's a brick wall. More like
a 'suggested' number like TBO. Again, I have no facts ..... and haven't
seen any either. Just something to ponder when you have an idle
moment!!!
Linn
Please ..... do not archive this drivel! Hmmm ...... drivel ......
drive-l???????
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
<LloydDR@wernerco.com> <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>
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I learned this from the list, and I have been a hardware geek
for a long
time, All standard hard drives are ported to the air, they use
pressure
from the spinning platters to float the heads, when you get
above 10k
the air density is not enough to ensure that you will not get a
head
strike with movement. Now with that being said and being from CO
originally, there was many days with the heat that density
altitude was
above 10k on the ground and our PC's, desktop and laptop, did
not stop
working, that is not to say that there was not a greater chance
of
failure, just that the manufacture was only willing to warrant
there
operation to 10k, which seems funny because most of the South
West sits
at 6k plus and with heat you would have all kinds of DA problems
if this
was true.
Dan
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Echols
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:25 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Kevin Echols
<kmechols@yahoo.com> <mailto:kmechols@yahoo.com>
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I believe the hard drives in the Motion Computing tablet PC are
limited
to
10,000' (operating). Something to keep in mind...
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--- Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
<mailto:LarryRosen@comcast.net> wrote:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen
<LarryRosen@comcast.net> <mailto:LarryRosen@comcast.net>
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If you are going with a PC based weather system I
strongly recommend
the
Motion Computing tablet PC. My neighbor has it and in
bright sunlight
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it is dramatically clearer than my Compaq tablet. But
neither are as
good as the panel mounted displays.
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
Cost, per Gig of storage is still higher on the flash drives, but there
is a new company coming out with a RAMBUS drive that is bootable and
uses DIMM's. IE The card costs $70 and you can put as much RAM on it as
you can find, and it is bootable as a C drive, should make an OS almost
instant on for access.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
These days, why use a hard drive? Some nice Flash memory works great.
TDT
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of linn walters
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:27 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
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This may be urban legend, but I'm not so sure. The physics are
there to support the hypothesis. The statement that 'all standard hard
drives are ported to the air' isn't true. I've dismantled a couple of
older drives that had no way to equalize ...... they were sealed with an
'o-ring' where the case split. However, having said that ...... most of
the computers at altitude are inside where air conditioning helps the
density altitude part, and you don't bounce your PC around like you'd do
in really rough air. Just a few thoughts ..... and something to chew
on.
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Now, if your hard drive is certified to 10K (don't know where
that info or number comes from) ...... I doubt that it's a brick wall.
More like a 'suggested' number like TBO. Again, I have no facts .....
and haven't seen any either. Just something to ponder when you have an
idle moment!!!
Linn
Please ..... do not archive this drivel! Hmmm ...... drivel
...... drive-l???????
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
<LloydDR@wernerco.com> <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>
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I learned this from the list, and I have been a hardware
geek for a long
time, All standard hard drives are ported to the air,
they use pressure
from the spinning platters to float the heads, when you
get above 10k
the air density is not enough to ensure that you will
not get a head
strike with movement. Now with that being said and being
from CO
originally, there was many days with the heat that
density altitude was
above 10k on the ground and our PC's, desktop and
laptop, did not stop
working, that is not to say that there was not a greater
chance of
failure, just that the manufacture was only willing to
warrant there
operation to 10k, which seems funny because most of the
South West sits
at 6k plus and with heat you would have all kinds of DA
problems if this
was true.
Dan
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Kevin Echols
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:25 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Kevin Echols
<kmechols@yahoo.com> <mailto:kmechols@yahoo.com>
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I believe the hard drives in the Motion Computing tablet
PC are limited
to
10,000' (operating). Something to keep in mind...
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<mailto:LarryRosen@comcast.net> wrote:
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<LarryRosen@comcast.net> <mailto:LarryRosen@comcast.net>
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If you are going with a PC based weather system
I strongly recommend
the
Motion Computing tablet PC. My neighbor has it
and in bright sunlight
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tablet. But neither are as
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Scott Schmidt wrote:
> Picking out today's instruments is like picking our next date out of the
> Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition. They are all really nice but some
> have better features than others.
Some of us on a budget would probably settle for any
of those, er, "models"... *wink*
-Dj
do not archive
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
Dan,
You may know the answer to this question. What is the operational
altitude for the screen. I have not been able to find a flap panel
screen that was specified above 10K. I spoke with a couple of screen
OEM's and they said the pixels will not populate properly above those
altitudes. I know someone makes higher altitude screens them because
Blue Mountain and other us them.
Bobby
40116
________________________________
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
The older drives are included in this, the gasket is for dust
prevention, look at the side of the drives and they have a port for air
equalization. As for the specs they are located in the OP manual for the
drive and many are printed on the drive case. Most notebooks do not
reside totally in A/C, IE they are portable and wifi makes them work
just about anywhere in most cities. How many colleges out west have you
seen that air condition the entire campus? and it is a req for those
students to have a PC. As for rough air, you have not experienced our
road warriors and the high amount of care they put into keeping their
PCs safe. I watched a salesman in his car, login to the laptop, get the
info he needed, left the top up and toss it over his should into the
back seat. Needless to say the PC survived, so they do take some abuse,
they have new tough books that can take Hummer running over them, and
they use standard internal parts. The only way to ensure higher
availability in HD is to go solid state, they have these coming out, and
they are getting more affordable The two highest failure rates on PC's
are the moving parts, IE Hard Drives, and Fans, replace those with
non-moving parts then your TBO goes way up.
Being in the IT industry, I can not wait to get to more reliable
desktops with instant on. We are getting there, but it takes time.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn walters
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
This may be urban legend, but I'm not so sure. The physics are there to
support the hypothesis. The statement that 'all standard hard drives
are ported to the air' isn't true. I've dismantled a couple of older
drives that had no way to equalize ...... they were sealed with an
'o-ring' where the case split. However, having said that ...... most of
the computers at altitude are inside where air conditioning helps the
density altitude part, and you don't bounce your PC around like you'd do
in really rough air. Just a few thoughts ..... and something to chew
on.
Now, if your hard drive is certified to 10K (don't know where that info
or number comes from) ...... I doubt that it's a brick wall. More like
a 'suggested' number like TBO. Again, I have no facts ..... and haven't
seen any either. Just something to ponder when you have an idle
moment!!!
Linn
Please ..... do not archive this drivel! Hmmm ...... drivel ......
drive-l???????
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
<LloydDR@wernerco.com> <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>
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I learned this from the list, and I have been a hardware geek
for a long
time, All standard hard drives are ported to the air, they use
pressure
from the spinning platters to float the heads, when you get
above 10k
the air density is not enough to ensure that you will not get a
head
strike with movement. Now with that being said and being from CO
originally, there was many days with the heat that density
altitude was
above 10k on the ground and our PC's, desktop and laptop, did
not stop
working, that is not to say that there was not a greater chance
of
failure, just that the manufacture was only willing to warrant
there
operation to 10k, which seems funny because most of the South
West sits
at 6k plus and with heat you would have all kinds of DA problems
if this
was true.
Dan
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Echols
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:25 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
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strongly recommend
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
Replace Fan with no moving parts?? Hmmm...
do not archive
to go solid state, they have these coming out, and they are
getting more affordable The two highest failure rates on PC's are the
moving parts, IE Hard Drives, and Fans, replace those with non-moving
parts then your TBO goes way up.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
I have the specs for IBM and Toshiba hard drives. They DO have a maximum altitude
of 10K for operation. I don't know the exact reasons why.
Using solid state hard drives is an easy solution. Also there is absolutly no
reason you can't command the drive to spin down if you see the altitude exceeding
10K feet. Data can be cached in DRAM or on flash drives.
For those intending to use PC based platforms in your aricraft, you need to account
for hard drive limitations. Go solid state on the drives or put in lots
of ram and cache data that might be needed via a ramdisk.
IMMV.
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| Subject: | Exterior lighting choices - followup |
another good place for strobes and lights at discount prices is
www.strobe-direct.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Exterior lighting choices - followup
%(
%$!####&*! That appears to be identical to the CreativAir supply for
about $135 less with an extra strobe and some cheezy switches. Looks
like Bill just rebrands it and Jacks the price waaaay up. D'oh! Could
have used this yesterday. :-) Oh well, at least everyone else can
benefit from your thorough searching.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Main Spar
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Exterior lighting choices - followup
You may want to check out the strobe kit I use at
http://www.strobesnmore.com . Single unit power pack, 4 strobe tubes,
shielded wires, connectors.
Anh
#141
----- Original Message -----
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Exterior lighting choices - followup
If anyone is interested here is what I decided on:
- CreativAir's 3 strobe kit:
<http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath27&products_id36>
- Whelen tail strobe/position from Vans as it seems to be the
only one that fits the small spot in the fairing:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident1123168358-134-558
&browselighting&producta555/500light.
- Bill Dubes rectangular LED Nav lights:
http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath22&products_id61
The LED light on the CreativAir's sight doesn't list the
assembled version so I have an email into Bill Vondane to find out if he
just forgot to add it. I can always get the assembled version direct
from Bill Dube for $5 less. Grand total for this will be around $740
without shipping. The equivalent Whelen system from Van's (System 6)
using conventional nav lights is $780. So I only save $40 but I get a,
hopefully, more reliable system that uses less power.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 wings
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:16 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Exterior lighting choices
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Ok, I'm ordering accessories for the wings so I have them when
I need them. Got the wing kit for Rob's AOA system, ordered the
Duckworks HID and the aileron trim ($275 in case anyone is wondering)
from Van's. Still need to order the pitot tube, probably be the Gretz.
Now I'm trying to decide on who to use for my strobes/LED nav lights.
Whelen is out because of the cost. So this leaves me; Aeroflash,
CreativAir, and GS-Air. Of course none of them were at Airventure.
First question, how many people out there experienced any
problems with the strobes being powered from a central power supply? If
I end up getting strobes with a central supply I will probably run the
power leads in a dedicated conduit as far away from the other leads,
including the Archer Nav coax, as possible. I would prefer strobes run
from local power supplies but Aeroflash is the only option of the three
for this and I still need to price them out. I'll probably get the
Aeroflash for the tail strobe either way but I need to check the flange
dimensions so I can make sure it fit's ok.
Does anyone have any preference between GS-Air or Creativ-Air?
They are both similar and pretty much the same cost. Anyone currently
using any of the above that can give us a pirep?
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 wings
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Excellent find!
Jim Combs
#40192
N312F
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From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
%(
%$!####&*! That appears to be identical to the CreativAir supply for about $135
less with an extra strobe and some cheezy switches. Looks like Bill just rebrands
it and Jacks the price waaaay up. D'oh! Could have used this yesterday.
:-) Oh well, at least everyone else can benefit from your thorough searching.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Main Spar
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Exterior lighting choices - followup
You may want to check out the strobe kit I use at http://www.strobesnmore.com . Single unit power pack, 4 strobe tubes, shielded wires, connectors.
Anh
#141
----- Original Message -----
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Exterior lighting choices - followup
If anyone is interested here is what I decided on:
- CreativAir's 3 strobe kit: <http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=36>
- Whelen tail strobe/position from Vans as it seems to be the only one that fits the small spot in the fairing: http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1123168358-134-558&browse=lighting&product=a555/500light.
- Bill Dubes rectangular LED Nav lights: http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=61
The LED light on the CreativAir's sight doesn't list the assembled version
so I have an email into Bill Vondane to find out if he just forgot to add
it. I can always get the assembled version direct from Bill Dube for $5 less.
Grand total for this will be around $740 without shipping. The equivalent Whelen
system from Van's (System 6) using conventional nav lights is $780. So
I only save $40 but I get a, hopefully, more reliable system that uses less power.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 wings
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:16 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Exterior lighting choices
Ok, I'm ordering accessories for the wings so I have them when I need
them. Got the wing kit for Rob's AOA system, ordered the Duckworks HID and the
aileron trim ($275 in case anyone is wondering) from Van's. Still need to order
the pitot tube, probably be the Gretz. Now I'm trying to decide on who to
use for my strobes/LED nav lights. Whelen is out because of the cost. So this
leaves me; Aeroflash, CreativAir, and GS-Air. Of course none of them were
at Airventure.
First question, how many people out there experienced any problems with
the strobes being powered from a central power supply? If I end up getting strobes
with a central supply I will probably run the power leads in a dedicated
conduit as far away from the other leads, including the Archer Nav coax, as
possible. I would prefer strobes run from local power supplies but Aeroflash
is the only option of the three for this and I still need to price them out.
I'll probably get the Aeroflash for the tail strobe either way but I need to check
the flange dimensions so I can make sure it fit's ok.
Does anyone have any preference between GS-Air or Creativ-Air? They are
both similar and pretty much the same cost. Anyone currently using any of the
above that can give us a pirep?
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 wings
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
I will look through the pubs I have access to and get you an answer. I
know they make them because we had the same issue with a system we
designed for the Navy. We had to SPEC a sealed unit, the lower end thin
film, use an air layer to separate the wire grids inside and this is why
they can not fill the pixels accurately at higher altitudes. Should have
an answer later today for you
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby J.
Hughes
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
Dan,
You may know the answer to this question. What is the operational
altitude for the screen. I have not been able to find a flap panel
screen that was specified above 10K. I spoke with a couple of screen
OEM's and they said the pixels will not populate properly above those
altitudes. I know someone makes higher altitude screens them because
Blue Mountain and other us them.
Bobby
40116
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
The older drives are included in this, the gasket is for dust
prevention, look at the side of the drives and they have a port for air
equalization. As for the specs they are located in the OP manual for the
drive and many are printed on the drive case. Most notebooks do not
reside totally in A/C, IE they are portable and wifi makes them work
just about anywhere in most cities. How many colleges out west have you
seen that air condition the entire campus? and it is a req for those
students to have a PC. As for rough air, you have not experienced our
road warriors and the high amount of care they put into keeping their
PCs safe. I watched a salesman in his car, login to the laptop, get the
info he needed, left the top up and toss it over his should into the
back seat. Needless to say the PC survived, so they do take some abuse,
they have new tough books that can take Hummer running over them, and
they use standard internal parts. The only way to ensure higher
availability in HD is to go solid state, they have these coming out, and
they are getting more affordable The two highest failure rates on PC's
are the moving parts, IE Hard Drives, and Fans, replace those with
non-moving parts then your TBO goes way up.
Being in the IT industry, I can not wait to get to more reliable
desktops with instant on. We are getting there, but it takes time.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn walters
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
This may be urban legend, but I'm not so sure. The physics are there to
support the hypothesis. The statement that 'all standard hard drives
are ported to the air' isn't true. I've dismantled a couple of older
drives that had no way to equalize ...... they were sealed with an
'o-ring' where the case split. However, having said that ...... most of
the computers at altitude are inside where air conditioning helps the
density altitude part, and you don't bounce your PC around like you'd do
in really rough air. Just a few thoughts ..... and something to chew
on.
Now, if your hard drive is certified to 10K (don't know where that info
or number comes from) ...... I doubt that it's a brick wall. More like
a 'suggested' number like TBO. Again, I have no facts ..... and haven't
seen any either. Just something to ponder when you have an idle
moment!!!
Linn
Please ..... do not archive this drivel! Hmmm ...... drivel ......
drive-l???????
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
<LloydDR@wernerco.com> <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>
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I learned this from the list, and I have been a hardware geek
for a long
time, All standard hard drives are ported to the air, they use
pressure
from the spinning platters to float the heads, when you get
above 10k
the air density is not enough to ensure that you will not get a
head
strike with movement. Now with that being said and being from CO
originally, there was many days with the heat that density
altitude was
above 10k on the ground and our PC's, desktop and laptop, did
not stop
working, that is not to say that there was not a greater chance
of
failure, just that the manufacture was only willing to warrant
there
operation to 10k, which seems funny because most of the South
West sits
at 6k plus and with heat you would have all kinds of DA problems
if this
was true.
Dan
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Echols
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:25 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
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<kmechols@yahoo.com> <mailto:kmechols@yahoo.com>
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I believe the hard drives in the Motion Computing tablet PC are
limited
to
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<mailto:LarryRosen@comcast.net> wrote:
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<LarryRosen@comcast.net> <mailto:LarryRosen@comcast.net>
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strongly recommend
the
Motion Computing tablet PC. My neighbor has it and in
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neither are as
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
I have a Sony Vaio U750P with a Toshiba 20 Gig HD running anywheremap. It
has worked flawless for me at 16500' or 18350'DA for 4 hours. I fly often
above 10,000' and have no squawks for the hard drive. Some things work
better than the specs...
>
> I have the specs for IBM and Toshiba hard drives. They DO have a maximum
altitude of 10K for operation. I don't know the exact reasons why.
>
> Using solid state hard drives is an easy solution. Also there is
absolutly no reason you can't command the drive to spin down if you see the
altitude exceeding 10K feet. Data can be cached in DRAM or on flash drives.
>
> For those intending to use PC based platforms in your aricraft, you need
to account for hard drive limitations. Go solid state on the drives or put
in lots of ram and cache data that might be needed via a ramdisk.
>
> IMMV.
>
> Jim Combs
> #40192
> N312F
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| Subject: | Re: Cold air induction????? |
>William,
>
>While you're technically correct that the intake runs "through the sump," on my
> IO-360-A1B6 the intake section of the sump is below the chamber where the oil
> sits.
>
>On an O-360-A1A, the intake tubes literally run *through* hot oil.
>
>My IO-360-A1B6 has a stock compression ratio of 8.7:1.
Dan
Hmm, I dont believe that this is a stock sump/induction then. I also have the
certified angle valve IO-360 A1B6D in my Cardinal 177RG and the intake definitely
goes through the sump. You are correct on the compression ratio of the angle
valve IO-360, but the parallel valve I/O-360 only has a compression ration
of 8.5:1. That, and better valve porting is the primary reason for the 20 additional
horsepower.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
Does this have some kind of battery to keep the info in the RAM. RAM is
volatile memory so if it loses power it loses its information. That
wouldn't be good. Flash drives are non-volatile, so they would work without
a battery to hold the info.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
Cost, per Gig of storage is still higher on the flash drives, but there is a
new company coming out with a RAMBUS drive that is bootable and uses DIMM's.
IE The card costs $70 and you can put as much RAM on it as you can find, and
it is bootable as a C drive, should make an OS almost instant on for access.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
These days, why use a hard drive? Some nice Flash memory works great.
TDT
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of linn walters
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
This may be urban legend, but I'm not so sure. The physics are there to
support the hypothesis. The statement that 'all standard hard drives are
ported to the air' isn't true. I've dismantled a couple of older drives
that had no way to equalize ...... they were sealed with an 'o-ring' where
the case split. However, having said that ...... most of the computers at
altitude are inside where air conditioning helps the density altitude part,
and you don't bounce your PC around like you'd do in really rough air. Just
a few thoughts ..... and something to chew on.
Now, if your hard drive is certified to 10K (don't know where that info or
number comes from) ...... I doubt that it's a brick wall. More like a
'suggested' number like TBO. Again, I have no facts ..... and haven't seen
any either. Just something to ponder when you have an idle moment!!!
Linn
Please ..... do not archive this drivel! Hmmm ...... drivel ......
drive-l???????
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
<mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
I learned this from the list, and I have been a hardware geek for a long
time, All standard hard drives are ported to the air, they use pressure
from the spinning platters to float the heads, when you get above 10k
the air density is not enough to ensure that you will not get a head
strike with movement. Now with that being said and being from CO
originally, there was many days with the heat that density altitude was
above 10k on the ground and our PC's, desktop and laptop, did not stop
working, that is not to say that there was not a greater chance of
failure, just that the manufacture was only willing to warrant there
operation to 10k, which seems funny because most of the South West sits
at 6k plus and with heat you would have all kinds of DA problems if this
was true.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Echols
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: Kevin Echols <mailto:kmechols@yahoo.com>
<kmechols@yahoo.com>
I believe the hard drives in the Motion Computing tablet PC are limited
to
10,000' (operating). Something to keep in mind...
http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_ls800.asp
-Kevin
--- Larry Rosen <mailto:LarryRosen@comcast.net> <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen
<mailto:LarryRosen@comcast.net> <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
If you are going with a PC based weather system I strongly recommend
the
Motion Computing tablet PC. My neighbor has it and in bright sunlight
it is dramatically clearer than my Compaq tablet. But neither are as
good as the panel mounted displays.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Two important points to remember are Induction/Cylinder Pressures and
Induction Air Temperatures. Both excessive Temperature and excessive
Pressure result in "non controlled" pre-ignition. George Braly of GAMI
has made quite a business of taking well educated Beechcraft and Lancair
pilots and teaching them the resultant reaction on recip aircraft
powerplants.
His mantra is run well "Lean of Peak" in cruise, manage your pressures,
manage your temperatures. Lyco passed the induction tubes through the
oil sump to reduce the tendency for carb ice. Then added sodium filled
exhaust valves (Not an issue with fuel injection). Walter Atkinson
(also of GAMI) will post your ear off on the need for keeping the
induction charge as cool as possible... hence, Cold Air Induction or
Intercoolers. Play with the compression ratio and you could play with
fire. Shannon Knoepflein was lost coming home from OSH last year.
Dan's 8.7:1 is a known safe compression ratio and a great baseline.
Beyond 9.5:1 you are tempting fate. Sean Tucker runs exotic pressures
and stays low altitude. Intercoolers are a whole nother can of
squigglies. Cold Air Induction on the RV-10 with forward facing
ductwork will require a new cowl design. VAN won't go there. That is why
Monty Barrett and John Forsling did the combo Cold Air/Tuned Headers
with alternative cowl at OSH.
FYI.
John - KUAO
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cold air induction?????
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
You can go out to google and do a search on cold air intakes. This is a
common feature done by tuners on auto engines to create denser air, IE
more oxygen for the burn. It does make a noticeable difference on my
Acura, at least I like to think that because it cost a couple of hundred
for the Ice Air intake, but at the same time they change out the factory
airbox, so it maybe just a result of smoother intake air flow?
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
This would be quite a handicap, though, as this plane loves to fly between
10,000 and 18,000. I also agree that the fact that the drives don't support
higher altitudes doesn't mean they won't handle it. I spend a lot of time
in Quito, Ecuador, which is above 10,000 feet and they all use normal
computers without trouble. I haven't seen one working at 18,000, however.
Next time we are going to be up that high I will take my laptop and try it
out. If it dies, then we know that it isn't a good idea.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
I have the specs for IBM and Toshiba hard drives. They DO have a maximum
altitude of 10K for operation. I don't know the exact reasons why.
Using solid state hard drives is an easy solution. Also there is absolutly
no reason you can't command the drive to spin down if you see the altitude
exceeding 10K feet. Data can be cached in DRAM or on flash drives.
For those intending to use PC based platforms in your aricraft, you need to
account for hard drive limitations. Go solid state on the drives or put in
lots of ram and cache data that might be needed via a ramdisk.
IMMV.
Jim Combs
#40192
N312F
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| Subject: | RE: Cold air induction????? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Gary Specketer"
>Lycoming and others preheat the air for a reason. Those who
>fly high or in northern climates need to have the air tempered
>to have even and complete combustion. Like all things in aviation
>you need to give up something to get something. Just some thoughts
>for you to consider.
This is only valid on carbureted engines.
When Lycoming added fuel injection to their then 50 year old designed engines,
then just left the induction system the same rather than re-work it. There is
no reason that I know of to have the AIR pre-heated in a fuel injected gasoline
engine.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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The Precision FADEC system definitely works - apparently Embry-Riddle is
using it on their 172s, with significant fuel savings. The system usually
operates slightly rich of best economy, except for high throttle settings
(can't remember exactly - possibly >75%?), when it goes to best power.
The ideal solution would be individualised fuel flow for each cylinder -
would be difficult to do based on preset curves, and therefore would need
individual EGTs to determine the correct fuel-air ratio.
Dunno what happens in the cars -anyone else have the answer?
Indran
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Update from OSH
If they've got accurate Fuel Flow, it might work okay for them. Each engine
has a curve of what the best economy and best power fuel flow rates are for
any given power setting of the engine. So theoretically you can do a
lookup based on the current power and the FADEC can set the mixture to the
correct FF for that power. EGT has traditionally been used because it was
easily measured and analyzed by the pilot. You couldn't very easily read a
graph and interpolate fuel flow point in the cockpit very well - no problem
for a computer, though.
Question: Do you get to choose Best Economy or Best Power, or how does the
FADEC decide which you want? I've often wondered what the FADEC in my car
is doing - Economy or Power?
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Indran
Chelvanayagam
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Update from OSH
Brian, in response to your query regarding the Precison EMS/FADEC system -
yes, they are planning a 6 cyl version.
HOWEVER ....
After sitting through a 60 min presentation, it was revealed that this
system is not "closed loop" - ie it does not have EGT probes. It has CHT
probes, but only uses this info as a failsafe, to move the mixture to full
rich if CHT rises too high. So the EMS takes only manifold pressure and RPM,
and empirically adjusts mixture - IMHO a less satisfactory method than using
EGTs/CHTs. But it will be cheap - "slightly more" than the cost of 2 Mags +
coils etc.
Indran Chelvanayagam
#40228
Bunbury, Western Australia (temporarily relocated to OSH)
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| Subject: | Re: Cold air induction????? |
Don't forget that the angle valve engine has a hemispherical combustion chamber
while the parallel valve does not. I think you will find that a large percentage
of the horsepower increase is due to the inherent effeciency of the hemi head.
----- Original Message -----
From: William Curtis
To: dan@rvproject.com ; rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:13 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cold air induction?????
>William,
>
>While you're technically correct that the intake runs "through the sump," on
my
> IO-360-A1B6 the intake section of the sump is below the chamber where the oil
> sits.
>
>On an O-360-A1A, the intake tubes literally run *through* hot oil.
>
>My IO-360-A1B6 has a stock compression ratio of 8.7:1.
Dan
Hmm, I don't believe that this is a stock sump/induction then. I also have the
certified angle valve IO-360 A1B6D in my Cardinal 177RG and the intake definitely
goes through the sump. You are correct on the compression ratio of the angle
valve IO-360, but the parallel valve I/O-360 only has a compression ration
of 8.5:1. That, and better valve porting is the primary reason for the 20 additional
horsepower.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
They are getting close using Peltier effect transistors, but the power
consumption outweighs the beni's but you never know who will come up
with something. Just a few years ago no-one thought you would be liquid
cooling a home PC, and today not only is the main proc liquid cooled but
several video cards are now recommending you use liquid jackets for
them. I say just buy a small 'fridge and put it in there!
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Young
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
Replace Fan with no moving parts?? Hmmm...
do not archive
to go solid state, they have these coming out, and they are
getting more affordable The two highest failure rates on PC's are the
moving parts, IE Hard Drives, and Fans, replace those with non-moving
parts then your TBO goes way up.
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| Subject: | Re: Cold air induction????? |
William,
The angle head cylinder also has a bigger intake and exhaust valve. The
stem diameters are the same, but the heads are quite a bit larger.
Allen Barrett
BPE, Inc.
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
<http://www.barrettprecisionengines.com/>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Curtis
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cold air induction?????
>William,
>
>While you're technically correct that the intake runs "through the
sump," on my
> IO-360-A1B6 the intake section of the sump is below the chamber where
the oil
> sits.
>
>On an O-360-A1A, the intake tubes literally run *through* hot oil.
>
>My IO-360-A1B6 has a stock compression ratio of 8.7:1.
Dan
Hmm, I don't believe that this is a stock sump/induction then. I also
have the certified angle valve IO-360 A1B6D in my Cardinal 177RG and the
intake definitely goes through the sump. You are correct on the
compression ratio of the angle valve IO-360, but the parallel valve
I/O-360 only has a compression ration of 8.5:1. That, and better valve
porting is the primary reason for the 20 additional horsepower.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | RE: Update from OSH |
>Question: Do you get to choose Best Economy or Best Power, or
>how does the FADEC decide which you want? I've often wondered
> what the FADEC in my car is doing
>- Economy or Power?
When you takeoff or slam on the acceleratorPower, when you are cruising down the
highwayEconomy.
Do not archive.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy |
Hi RV-10 builders,
If you are at a point in your RV-10 project where you will need to have a
propeller on hand in 2 1/2 months, this would be the time to be included in
this group buy.
The group buy price is $7,100 plus shipping.
For delivery disassembled to the closest MT assembly facility, the group buy
price is $7,430.
Van's Aircraft price for the same delivery is $8,060.
For an assembled propeller delivered to the closest international airport,
the group buy price is $8,150.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
This is a group buy for the RV-10 MT Propeller only. Please do not forward
to other email groups.
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Jesse,
It's not so much that the units won't work. There may be significantly higher
failure rates at the higher altitudes.
So what if the system that dies is the moving map code. Not too much of a problem,
at 18,000 feet, not too much to run into and most likely not an issue.
But if the code that dies is the navigation code and is providing the steering
commands to the A/P then you have a different issue altogether.
The issues of using the hard drive above 10K may have to do with spin up and spin
down. If the drive is already in operation, then higher altitudes may not
be an issue.
I know I don't know the answers.
Jim Combs
#40192
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
This would be quite a handicap, though, as this plane loves to fly between
10,000 and 18,000. I also agree that the fact that the drives don't support
higher altitudes doesn't mean they won't handle it. I spend a lot of time
in Quito, Ecuador, which is above 10,000 feet and they all use normal
computers without trouble. I haven't seen one working at 18,000, however.
Next time we are going to be up that high I will take my laptop and try it
out. If it dies, then we know that it isn't a good idea.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
I have the specs for IBM and Toshiba hard drives. They DO have a maximum
altitude of 10K for operation. I don't know the exact reasons why.
Using solid state hard drives is an easy solution. Also there is absolutly
no reason you can't command the drive to spin down if you see the altitude
exceeding 10K feet. Data can be cached in DRAM or on flash drives.
For those intending to use PC based platforms in your aricraft, you need to
account for hard drive limitations. Go solid state on the drives or put in
lots of ram and cache data that might be needed via a ramdisk.
IMMV.
Jim Combs
#40192
N312F
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d="scan'208,217"; a="25622078:sNHT29008402"
| Subject: | Solid State Storage |
DNA: do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Cold air induction????? |
They actually did change the intake system from the carb'd O-360 to the FI'd IO-360-A...the
induction is "tuned" on the IO-360-A series.
http://www.lycoming.textron.com/main.jsp?bodyPage/support/publications/keyReprints/general/myth.html
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: William Curtis
To: RV10-List@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 8:24 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Cold air induction?????
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Gary Specketer"
>Lycoming and others preheat the air for a reason. Those who
>fly high or in northern climates need to have the air tempered
>to have even and complete combustion. Like all things in aviation
>you need to give up something to get something. Just some thoughts
>for you to consider.
This is only valid on carbureted engines.
When Lycoming added fuel injection to their then 50 year old designed engines,
then just left the induction system the same rather than re-work it. There is
no reason that I know of to have the AIR pre-heated in a fuel injected gasoline
engine.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | MT Propeller Controller |
Hi Jim,
It was good to finally get to meet and get acquainted at Oshkosh last week. Are
you still planning on being at Front Range next week? It would be great if we
could get together there and try out the 2700RPM controller on my TIGER.
What day would you be available? I should be available for a day between the 10'th
and the 15'th.
Best Regards,
Ned Thomas
405 360-4298
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
It has a rechargeable battery system, like on a RAID card that holds the
sate of the RAM. It was written up in Computer World JUN20 2005
quicklink k2200, it is from Giga-Byte Technology, and it looks pretty
cool for the price, takes up a regular PCI slot, we have not found it GA
yet, but as soon as we do I will buy one and test with it.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
Does this have some kind of battery to keep the info in the RAM. RAM is
volatile memory so if it loses power it loses its information. That
wouldn't be good. Flash drives are non-volatile, so they would work
without a battery to hold the info.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
Cost, per Gig of storage is still higher on the flash drives, but there
is a new company coming out with a RAMBUS drive that is bootable and
uses DIMM's. IE The card costs $70 and you can put as much RAM on it as
you can find, and it is bootable as a C drive, should make an OS almost
instant on for access.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
These days, why use a hard drive? Some nice Flash memory works great.
TDT
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of linn walters
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:27 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
This may be urban legend, but I'm not so sure. The physics are
there to support the hypothesis. The statement that 'all standard hard
drives are ported to the air' isn't true. I've dismantled a couple of
older drives that had no way to equalize ...... they were sealed with an
'o-ring' where the case split. However, having said that ...... most of
the computers at altitude are inside where air conditioning helps the
density altitude part, and you don't bounce your PC around like you'd do
in really rough air. Just a few thoughts ..... and something to chew
on.
=09
Now, if your hard drive is certified to 10K (don't know where
that info or number comes from) ...... I doubt that it's a brick wall.
More like a 'suggested' number like TBO. Again, I have no facts .....
and haven't seen any either. Just something to ponder when you have an
idle moment!!!
Linn
Please ..... do not archive this drivel! Hmmm ...... drivel
...... drive-l???????
=09
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
=09
=09
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
<LloydDR@wernerco.com> <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>
I learned this from the list, and I have been a hardware geek
for a long
time, All standard hard drives are ported to the air, they use
pressure
from the spinning platters to float the heads, when you get
above 10k
the air density is not enough to ensure that you will not get a
head
strike with movement. Now with that being said and being from CO
originally, there was many days with the heat that density
altitude was
above 10k on the ground and our PC's, desktop and laptop, did
not stop
working, that is not to say that there was not a greater chance
of
failure, just that the manufacture was only willing to warrant
there
operation to 10k, which seems funny because most of the South
West sits
at 6k plus and with heat you would have all kinds of DA problems
if this
was true.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Echols
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:25 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: Kevin Echols
<kmechols@yahoo.com> <mailto:kmechols@yahoo.com>
I believe the hard drives in the Motion Computing tablet PC are
limited
to
10,000' (operating). Something to keep in mind...
http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_ls800.asp
-Kevin
--- Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
<mailto:LarryRosen@comcast.net> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen
<LarryRosen@comcast.net> <mailto:LarryRosen@comcast.net>
If you are going with a PC based weather system I
strongly recommend
the
Motion Computing tablet PC. My neighbor has it and in
bright sunlight
it is dramatically clearer than my Compaq tablet. But
neither are as
good as the panel mounted displays.
____________________________________________________
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
What we could do, is design a plexi box to pump up to 14 psi, and put a
heatsink on it and blow air across it, as we are not worried about the
fan failing rather the hard drive heads hitting the platter. Like
sneakers, we could put the little pump with a relief valve that was set
at 14?
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
This would be quite a handicap, though, as this plane loves to fly
between
10,000 and 18,000. I also agree that the fact that the drives don't
support
higher altitudes doesn't mean they won't handle it. I spend a lot of
time
in Quito, Ecuador, which is above 10,000 feet and they all use normal
computers without trouble. I haven't seen one working at 18,000,
however.
Next time we are going to be up that high I will take my laptop and try
it
out. If it dies, then we know that it isn't a good idea.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
I have the specs for IBM and Toshiba hard drives. They DO have a
maximum
altitude of 10K for operation. I don't know the exact reasons why.
Using solid state hard drives is an easy solution. Also there is
absolutly
no reason you can't command the drive to spin down if you see the
altitude
exceeding 10K feet. Data can be cached in DRAM or on flash drives.
For those intending to use PC based platforms in your aricraft, you need
to
account for hard drive limitations. Go solid state on the drives or put
in
lots of ram and cache data that might be needed via a ramdisk.
IMMV.
Jim Combs
#40192
N312F
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| Subject: | Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen
>
>Anh,
>Which kit did you use? The 60 watt 4 head X-Pack kit? (except for the
>mounting bracket it looks just like the creative air system).
>Are you using the Whelen tail strobe/position light in the tail?
Im going with the X-Pack 604. Ive ordered my wiring and strobe bulbs from them.
Ill order the power supply shortly. The rear combination nav light and strobe
bulb I ordered from Vans.
After watching the planes depart OSH last week, Ive decided that I want the wing
strobe lights to be outside the wingtip cutout and thus separate from the navigation
light. When they are placed in the wingtip cutout, they are not visible
from the rear. I know the single rear strobe bulb is facing rear but I found
the planes that had the wingtip strobe bulbs visible from the rear were much
easier to see than those that just had the single tail mounted bulb.
I picked up a pair (both Red and Green) of navigation lights (no bulb) from B&B
aircraft supply for $75. These will go inside the wingtip cutout. Ill get lens
covers for the strobe bulbs and mount them on the side of the wingtips.
William Curtis
#40237 - wings
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | MT Propeller Controller |
Do not archive ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of 923te
Subject: RV10-List: MT Propeller Controller
Hi Jim,
It was good to finally get to meet and get acquainted at Oshkosh last week. Are
you still planning on being at Front Range next week? It would be great if we
could get together there and try out the 2700RPM controller on my TIGER.
What day would you be available? I should be available for a day between the 10'th
and the 15'th.
Best Regards,
Ned Thomas
405 360-4298
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| Subject: | Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup |
We're putting the wingtip strobes in the cutouts, Wheelan combo in the tail, and
then an extra strobe on the top of the tailcone, midway between cabin and tail
. . .
TDT
40025
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of William Curtis
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen
>
>Anh,
>Which kit did you use? The 60 watt 4 head X-Pack kit? (except for the
>mounting bracket it looks just like the creative air system).
>Are you using the Whelen tail strobe/position light in the tail?
I'm going with the X-Pack 604. I've ordered my wiring and strobe bulbs from them.
I'll order the power supply shortly. The rear combination nav light and strobe
bulb I ordered from Vans.
After watching the planes depart OSH last week, I've decided that I want the wing
strobe lights to be outside the wingtip cutout and thus separate from the navigation
light. When they are placed in the wingtip cutout, they are not visible
from the rear. I know the single rear strobe bulb is facing rear but I found
the planes that had the wingtip strobe bulbs visible from the rear were much
easier to see than those that just had the single tail mounted bulb.
I picked up a pair (both Red and Green) of navigation lights (no bulb) from B&B
aircraft supply for $75. These will go inside the wingtip cutout. I'll get lens
covers for the strobe bulbs and mount them on the side of the wingtips.
William Curtis
#40237 - wings
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: MT Propeller Controller |
Roger that.
Please delete and ignore the mis-sent email
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Dawson-Townsend
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: MT Propeller Controller
Do not archive ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of 923te
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 11:59 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: MT Propeller Controller
Hi Jim,
It was good to finally get to meet and get acquainted at Oshkosh last week.
Are you still planning on being at Front Range next week? It would be great if
we could get together there and try out the 2700RPM controller on my TIGER.
What day would you be available? I should be available for a day between the
10'th and the 15'th.
Best Regards,
Ned Thomas
405 360-4298
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| Subject: | [ANN] RV-10 Wiki |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
The RV-10 Wiki <http://www.rv10wiki.com> is now up and running.
I have populated a few sections from various sites to give it a little
jump start. What is needed most is probably further population of the
Builder Tips section.
Based on the recent stream of spam occurring on wiki sites, I have it
setup to require a login for editing pages. This won't prevent ALL
issues, but it will prevent the majority. Login creation is painless
and no personal information is required. Just takes a few seconds of
your time.
This is an experiment at this stage. If it takes off, and people
continue to find it useful, then it will stay up. If not, then no harm
done. That being said, in order for it to be useful, the community is
responsible for making it useful. So, if you have a good Builder Tip or
just some useful piece of information, get in there and edit away.
Please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing> for a general
overview of editing wiki pages.
Thanks...
Sean #40303
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
See www.fadec.com
Mattituck should have a TMX-IOF-540 soon, using this system.
Perfect fit for the RV-10.
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| Subject: | [ANN] RV-10 Wiki |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Sweet!
TDT
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: RV10-List: [ANN] RV-10 Wiki
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
The RV-10 Wiki <http://www.rv10wiki.com> is now up and running.
I have populated a few sections from various sites to give it a little
jump start. What is needed most is probably further population of the
Builder Tips section.
Based on the recent stream of spam occurring on wiki sites, I have it
setup to require a login for editing pages. This won't prevent ALL
issues, but it will prevent the majority. Login creation is painless
and no personal information is required. Just takes a few seconds of
your time.
This is an experiment at this stage. If it takes off, and people
continue to find it useful, then it will stay up. If not, then no harm
done. That being said, in order for it to be useful, the community is
responsible for making it useful. So, if you have a good Builder Tip or
just some useful piece of information, get in there and edit away.
Please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing> for a general
overview of editing wiki pages.
Thanks...
Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
That is what they say, but I have talked with many people that have
taken them to 18,000 ft. and I have talked with two people that had
their hard drives crash around 20,000 ft.
So the 12 - 18K range should be fine.
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Echols
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
--> RV10-List message posted by: Kevin Echols <kmechols@yahoo.com>
I believe the hard drives in the Motion Computing tablet PC are limited
to
10,000' (operating). Something to keep in mind...
http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_ls800.asp
-Kevin
--- Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> If you are going with a PC based weather system I strongly recommend
the
> Motion Computing tablet PC. My neighbor has it and in bright sunlight
> it is dramatically clearer than my Compaq tablet. But neither are as
> good as the panel mounted displays.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
I see on Vans site that the 12th RV-10 is flying. Any ideas who it is?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Finishing the Tail Cone
Starting Inventory on the Wing Kit
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d="scan'208"; a="1385444009:sNHT15445292"
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Jeff,
How big are the crates for the wing kit and about how much do they
weigh?
I expect my wing kit (slow build) towards the end of the month.
-Jim 40384 (2nd attempt at trim tabs this weekend...)
Jeff Carpenter wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> I see on Vans site that the 12th RV-10 is flying. Any ideas who it is?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Finishing the Tail Cone
> Starting Inventory on the Wing Kit
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Crate 1 is 11" x 32" x 8' 8"
Crate 2 is 11" x 12" x 14' 2"
Total weight between the 2 is 492 lbs
On Aug 5, 2005, at 1:02 PM, James Hein wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>
> Jeff,
> How big are the crates for the wing kit and about how much do
> they weigh?
> I expect my wing kit (slow build) towards the end of the month.
>
> -Jim 40384 (2nd attempt at trim tabs this weekend...)
>
> Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
>> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>
>> I see on Vans site that the 12th RV-10 is flying. Any ideas who
>> it is?
>>
>> Jeff Carpenter
>> 40304
>> Finishing the Tail Cone
>> Starting Inventory on the Wing Kit
>>
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> www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Ooh, that sounds like a good topic for the wiki . . .
TDT
Do not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Hein
Subject: Re: RV10-List: The 12th 10
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Jeff,
How big are the crates for the wing kit and about how much do they
weigh?
I expect my wing kit (slow build) towards the end of the month.
-Jim 40384 (2nd attempt at trim tabs this weekend...)
Jeff Carpenter wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> I see on Vans site that the 12th RV-10 is flying. Any ideas who it is?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Finishing the Tail Cone
> Starting Inventory on the Wing Kit
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark & Kelly" <eyedocs1@swbell.net>
On the Cirrus forum alot of people are using the Motion tablet w/ Airgator
or Weather Worx. Several have reported hard drive failures, but it seems
they were all over 13000'.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>
> That is what they say, but I have talked with many people that have
> taken them to 18,000 ft. and I have talked with two people that had
> their hard drives crash around 20,000 ft.
>
> So the 12 - 18K range should be fine.
>
> Scott Schmidt
> sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Echols
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:25 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kevin Echols <kmechols@yahoo.com>
>
> I believe the hard drives in the Motion Computing tablet PC are limited
> to
> 10,000' (operating). Something to keep in mind...
>
> http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_ls800.asp
>
> -Kevin
>
> --- Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>
>> If you are going with a PC based weather system I strongly recommend
> the
>> Motion Computing tablet PC. My neighbor has it and in bright sunlight
>
>> it is dramatically clearer than my Compaq tablet. But neither are as
>> good as the panel mounted displays.
>
>
> ____________________________________________________
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Test, please ignore... |
Test, please ignore.
Matt Dralle
List Admin
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| Subject: | Test #2, please ignore... |
Test #2, please ignore.
Matt Dralle
List Admin
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| Subject: | Test #3, please ignore... |
Test #3, please ignore.
Matt Dralle
List Admin
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I've got some of the crating info posted here:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/workarea.html
Van's also has a sheet somewhere that shows all crate and box
sizes and weights.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
Jeff Carpenter wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> Crate 1 is 11" x 32" x 8' 8"
>
> Crate 2 is 11" x 12" x 14' 2"
>
> Total weight between the 2 is 492 lbs
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2005, at 1:02 PM, James Hein wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>>
>> Jeff,
>> How big are the crates for the wing kit and about how much do they
>> weigh?
>> I expect my wing kit (slow build) towards the end of the month.
>>
>> -Jim 40384 (2nd attempt at trim tabs this weekend...)
>>
>> Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>>
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
>>> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>>
>>> I see on Vans site that the 12th RV-10 is flying. Any ideas who it is?
>>>
>>> Jeff Carpenter
>>> 40304
>>> Finishing the Tail Cone
>>> Starting Inventory on the Wing Kit
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Update from OSH - Precision EMS |
Thanks for the information from the forum. After making it to the Precision booth
and asking questions about the system, it doesn't appear to come anywhere
close to the Areosance FADEC system.
----- Original Message -----
From: Indran Chelvanayagam
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Update from OSH
Brian, in response to your query regarding the Precison EMS/FADEC system - yes,
they are planning a 6 cyl version.
HOWEVER ....
After sitting through a 60 min presentation, it was revealed that this system
is not "closed loop" - ie it does not have EGT probes. It has CHT probes, but
only uses this info as a failsafe, to move the mixture to full rich if CHT rises
too high. So the EMS takes only manifold pressure and RPM, and empirically
adjusts mixture - IMHO a less satisfactory method than using EGTs/CHTs. But it
will be cheap - "slightly more" than the cost of 2 Mags + coils etc.
Indran Chelvanayagam
#40228
Bunbury, Western Australia (temporarily relocated to OSH)
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| Subject: | Crate Sizes - Was: The 12th 10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Update the Wiki page
<http://www.rv10wiki.com/index.php?title=Workspace_Requirements>
Funny how most of the info is coming from Tim's site. :)
-Sean #40303
do not archive
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I've got some of the crating info posted here:
> http://www.myrv10.com/tips/workarea.html
>
> Van's also has a sheet somewhere that shows all crate and box
> sizes and weights.
>
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
> Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>
>> Crate 1 is 11" x 32" x 8' 8"
>>
>> Crate 2 is 11" x 12" x 14' 2"
>>
>> Total weight between the 2 is 492 lbs
>>
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2005, at 1:02 PM, James Hein wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>>>
>>> Jeff,
>>> How big are the crates for the wing kit and about how much do
>>> they weigh?
>>> I expect my wing kit (slow build) towards the end of the month.
>>>
>>> -Jim 40384 (2nd attempt at trim tabs this weekend...)
>>>
>>> Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
>>>> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>>>
>>>> I see on Vans site that the 12th RV-10 is flying. Any ideas who
>>>> it is?
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Carpenter
>>>> 40304
>>>> Finishing the Tail Cone
>>>> Starting Inventory on the Wing Kit
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Important Wash D.C. ADIZ update |
--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
I propose we remove the current ADIZ PERMANENTLY. And do it right now.
David
DejaVu wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
>
>Not building related but if you can find some time, please read and provide
>comments at the sites below. The proposal is to extend the current ~30nmi
>ring to 50nmi and making it permanent. Pls also pass on to fellow pilots.
>Thanks,
>Anh
>#141
>do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ASN@AOPA.ORG [mailto:ASN@AOPA.ORG]
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:17 AM
>To: STUDTKE@OLG.COM
>Subject: Important ADIZ update
>
>
>Dear ASN Volunteers:
>
>As you may have read on AOPA Online or in "ePilot" last week, AOPA
>Senior Vice President of Government and Technical Affairs, Andy Cebula,
>met with Office of Management and Budget (OMB) officials regarding a
>proposal to make the Washington, D.C., Air Defense Identification
>Zone (ADIZ) permanent
>( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050728adiz.html ).
>
>This anticipated proposal was published today in the Federal Register.
>When the ADIZ was established in February 2003, without input from
>the pilot community, it was intended to be temporary. However, more
>than two years later it still exists, and the government wants to make
>it permanent.
>
>AOPA has full coverage of the ADIZ on our Web site
>( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050803adiz.html ),
>including the actual notice of proposed rulemaking
>( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050804adiz-nprm.pdf ).
>
>The comment period is open for 90 days. Please alert your fellow
>pilots and direct them to AOPA's Web site ( http://www.aopa.org )
>for continued updates. We will be asking members across the country
>to comment on the proposal.
>
>Thank you for your help!
>
>--The ASN Staff
>Stacy (Platone) Swigart, Director
>John L. Collins, Government Technical Specialist
>Kim Reed, Program Specialist
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Motion makes a large difference here. If your PC in CO is a desktop,
there is low risk. If you have that PC moving around in an RV or
airplane, the standard hard drive would probably not last long. Same
with some displays.
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
>I learned this from the list, and I have been a hardware geek for a long
>time, All standard hard drives are ported to the air, they use pressure
>from the spinning platters to float the heads, when you get above 10k
>the air density is not enough to ensure that you will not get a head
>strike with movement. Now with that being said and being from CO
>originally, there was many days with the heat that density altitude was
>above 10k on the ground and our PC's, desktop and laptop, did not stop
>working, that is not to say that there was not a greater chance of
>failure, just that the manufacture was only willing to warrant there
>operation to 10k, which seems funny because most of the South West sits
>at 6k plus and with heat you would have all kinds of DA problems if this
>was true.
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Echols
>Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:25 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Blue Mountain EFIS and Autopilot
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Kevin Echols <kmechols@yahoo.com>
>
>I believe the hard drives in the Motion Computing tablet PC are limited
>to
>10,000' (operating). Something to keep in mind...
>
>http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_ls800.asp
>
>-Kevin
>
>--- Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>
>>If you are going with a PC based weather system I strongly recommend
>>
>>
>the
>
>
>>Motion Computing tablet PC. My neighbor has it and in bright sunlight
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>it is dramatically clearer than my Compaq tablet. But neither are as
>>good as the panel mounted displays.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Thanks for the Strobes N' More Reminder.
Just ordered up two strobes for the wingtips at $17.99 each...
<http://strobeguy.safeshopper.com/32/2191.htm?949>
Compared to what looks like the "exact" same strobe from CreativeAir at
$40 each?
<http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=38>
Geesh, that's some markup.
-Sean #40303
do not archive
William Curtis wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen
> >
> >Anh,
> >Which kit did you use? The 60 watt 4 head X-Pack kit? (except for the
> >mounting bracket it looks just like the creative air system).
> >Are you using the Whelen tail strobe/position light in the tail?
>
> Im going with the X-Pack 604. Ive ordered my wiring and strobe bulbs
> from them. Ill order the power supply shortly. The rear combination
> nav light and strobe bulb I ordered from Vans.
>
> After watching the planes depart OSH last week, Ive decided that I
> want the wing strobe lights to be outside the wingtip cutout and thus
> separate from the navigation light. When they are placed in the
> wingtip cutout, they are not visible from the rear. I know the single
> rear strobe bulb is facing rear but I found the planes that had the
> wingtip strobe bulbs visible from the rear were much easier to see
> than those that just had the single tail mounted bulb.
>
> I picked up a pair (both Red and Green) of navigation lights (no bulb)
> from B&B aircraft supply for $75. These will go inside the wingtip
> cutout. Ill get lens covers for the strobe bulbs and mount them on
> the side of the wingtips.
>
> William Curtis
> #40237 - wings
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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Hey all -
On the subject of cool glass panels, after a bunch of research, pretty
much everything short of seeing one in person, I really like the Grand
Rapids stuff. One thing that I'm not sure of however, is the
resolution. Any of you folks that made it out to OSH, can you shed some
light here for me? Is the resolution of the Horizon as low as I think
it is? I'm just not sure I can live with the low resolution, when
there's such good looking stuff out there. What I've seen of the screen
shots just looks blocky to me, but the functionality appears to be
excellent. Thoughts?
cj
Current project: Elevator Trim Tabs
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net <http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
All this talk about the cheaper strobes motivated me to dig into my old
email archive. I KNEW I saw something about this before. Sorry I
didn't jump in with this earlier...it's been a hellish week.
Anyway, true or not, I do not know, but here is an email thread
I followed a while back. It's probably worth reading....I will
have to re-read it myself before I do anything. (I really need
to order strobes soon myself)
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Hi all...
With all the discussions on strobe power supplies going on lately, and
with the emails I received with questions about my power paks, I got
some info from my engineer on what makes my power paks (and the Whelen
power supplies) different from the automotive power supplies that are
available...
As you may know, I contracted Nova to engineer and build my power paks,
and so I asked them for a comparison between my AVIPAK and their most
popular auto power pak; the XPAK604... I can get more detailed info if
necessary...
"The AVIPAK has much larger discharge capacitors than the standard
XPAK604. The AVIPAK also charges the caps to a higher voltage level.
The flash rate is also much lower. This allows the AVIPAK to deliver
much higher energy discharges to the strobe heads.
The Max energy discharge from an XPAK604 is 11.5 Joules. The AVIPAK can
deliver a 27.66 Joule energy discharge! The AVIPAK also has a beefier
filter circuit on the input connection. This makes it a bit quieter on
the +12V line and will reduce RFI."
As I know it's a simple comparison, but there are significant differences...
Whelen's power supplies are very close to mine in power output, although
mine are a bit more... My power paks have a MUCH more modern design to
them to include the technology in the discharge capacitors, MOSFET
circuitry for cool and quiet operation, EMI/RFI Filtering, reverse
polarity protection, over-voltage/absent flashtube protection, tube
de-ionization circuit to prolong flashtube life, microprocessor
controlled double and quadruple flash patterns, and input surge
protection...
I may be a bit biased, but I don't think you can get a better power pak...
;)
Hope this helps some of you that had questions.....oh, and soon I will
have individual power supplies for those of you that don't like the
single power supply configuration...
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
Hey Charlie...
Actually that's not exactly true... I just talked to my Nova Engineer
on the phone and he told me the XPAK904/906 does not have the intensity
of the AVIPAK... I'll try to explain it... This info came straight
from him...
Think in terms of 1 quad flash burst to both wingtips at the same time:
The 904/906 will output about 36 joules TOTAL from the quad burst, times
2 wingtips = about 72 joules total...
The AVIPAK will output about 41 joules TOTAL from the quad burst, times
2 wingtips = about 82 joules total...
Although the AVIPAK has a lower "output rating in watts" than the
904/906, the flash rate is also much lower which allows more time to
charge a LARGER bank of capacitors (25% larger than the 904/906), and
the AVIPAK charges the capacitors to a higher voltage at 550 volts,
compared to the 904/906 which only charges it's capacitors to 500
volts... More time to charge, higher voltage, and larger capacitor bank
directly relates to more joules and a higher intensity flash...
The lower "output rating in watts" of the AVIPAK also means less draw on
your electrical system, 5.5A @ 12.8V for the AVIPAK vs. 8.5A @ 12.8V for
the 904/906... Bigger flash with less amps!
Hope this helps...
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Kuss" <chaskuss@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Strobe Power Supply Discussion...
Bill
Try comparing your unit to Nova's 904 model and all
your "alledged" superiority goes right out the window.
Charlie Kuss
I have contracted Nova (www.strobes.com) to make my power supplies...
These are not the automotive supplies they sell, they are new supplied
designed after their Whelen counterparts... They have the same or more
output than their Whelen counterparts, and are built using modern
technology, not the dated technology that Whelen and AeroFlash uses...
I currently only have the single centrally mounted power supply done and
for sale, but the individual power supplies are in developments as I
write this... I also have low profile strobe heads and installation kits...
My AVI-PAK power supply is $260, designed as a direct replacement for
the Whelen A-413A-HDA-CF-14, and is $110 cheaper than Van's price on the
Whelen...
I am working on direct replacements for the tail strobe/nav lamp from
Whelen, as well as the Whelen all-in-one position/strobe/nave unit that
goes out on the wingtip...
http://creativair.com/cva/
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: re: Strobe Lights
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
Darrell,
Whelen's public safety strobe power supplies are great for experimental
aircraft use. Do a search on my name and the word Whelen and you'll get
some hits.
My home field is right nextdoor to Whelen and is owned by whelen. I've
had several off the record conversations with Whelen people about this.
Some have written that public safety strobes don't have to be as visible
as far away in the day time. (Although the person who wrote that knows
FAR FAR more about aviation than I will ever know, he is wrong in this
instance)
Whelen rates their power supplies in Joules. A Joule is a Joule is a Joule.
Another option is to investigate a power supply from another quality vendor.
Nova electronics. ( www.strobe.com ) Nova is just a few miles down
the road from Whelen and was started by ex-whelen employees. I have a
Nova power supply in my plane. (model EPS-40X)
It is a "ruggedized" verson of one of their power supplies. The entire
unit is potted in epoxy. Its completely water and vibration proof. It
can drive 2 strobes with a variety of patterns. I believe I paid about
$125 for it.
When I purchased it, I confirmed that it provided enough energy to the
tubes to be appropriate for aviation use.
It provides 34 Joules of energy to the tubes when used in an alternating
pattern.
This is identical to the energy provided with individual wing tip whelen
power supplies (A490ATSCF)
If you use the single Whelen power supply (A413AHDACF), this unit can
provide 42 Joules of power in alternating flash mode.
I hope this helps. Either way, a good Public safety power supply
(either Nova or Whelen) will work great in an aircraft.
By the way, have you ever been to Osh or SnF and seen the Whelen
sponsored airplane with all of the strobes all over it. That plane is
powered by several School Bus strobe power supplies.
Finally, some will say that non-aviation strobes are too "noisy". Have
you ever looked inside a modern Police car. They've got more radios
than we do.
Power supplies, all of them, need to be quiet. Proper wiring and
grounding are what is needed for a quiet strobe installation. With any
power supply.
Don
Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> Thanks for the Strobes N' More Reminder.
>
> Just ordered up two strobes for the wingtips at $17.99 each...
> <http://strobeguy.safeshopper.com/32/2191.htm?949>
>
> Compared to what looks like the "exact" same strobe from CreativeAir at
> $40 each?
> <http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=38>
>
> Geesh, that's some markup.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> do not archive
>
> William Curtis wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen
>> >
>> >Anh,
>> >Which kit did you use? The 60 watt 4 head X-Pack kit? (except for the
>> >mounting bracket it looks just like the creative air system).
>> >Are you using the Whelen tail strobe/position light in the tail?
>>
>> Im going with the X-Pack 604. Ive ordered my wiring and strobe bulbs
>> from them. Ill order the power supply shortly. The rear combination
>> nav light and strobe bulb I ordered from Vans.
>>
>> After watching the planes depart OSH last week, Ive decided that I
>> want the wing strobe lights to be outside the wingtip cutout and thus
>> separate from the navigation light. When they are placed in the
>> wingtip cutout, they are not visible from the rear. I know the single
>> rear strobe bulb is facing rear but I found the planes that had the
>> wingtip strobe bulbs visible from the rear were much easier to see
>> than those that just had the single tail mounted bulb.
>>
>> I picked up a pair (both Red and Green) of navigation lights (no bulb)
>> from B&B aircraft supply for $75. These will go inside the wingtip
>> cutout. Ill get lens covers for the strobe bulbs and mount them on
>> the side of the wingtips.
>>
>> William Curtis
>> #40237 - wings
>> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
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| Subject: | Re: GrandRapids EFIS |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Stein, had two panels on display @ OSH (one of them Tims) Tim's had the
Cheltons and the other the GRT's, the difference in resolution was
'dramatic' (my words), I had some interest in the GRT primarily because
of the price. I also stopped by their booth and asked some questions
about what their future plans were, One of the interesting things that
came out of that discussion was the fact that they are constrained by
the processor they are using, and said that they will never be able to
do the terain avoidance in 3d like Chelton and BMA, because they don't
have the processor bandwidth. that comment gave me some unrest as to the
future 'elasticity' of their product. Software is just a matter of
time/labor, I feel that most of the vendors will copy/emulate what ever
proves to be selling/hot by their competitors , but if they have some
hardware issues that would require system redesign, that might bode
poorly for future exapabability.
Deems Davis
#406 tailcone
Chris Johnston wrote:
> Hey all
>
> On the subject of cool glass panels, after a bunch of research, pretty
> much everything short of seeing one in person, I really like the Grand
> Rapids stuff. One thing that Im not sure of however, is the
> resolution. Any of you folks that made it out to OSH, can you shed
> some light here for me? Is the resolution of the Horizon as low as I
> think it is? Im just not sure I can live with the low resolution,
> when theres such good looking stuff out there. What Ive seen of the
> screen shots just looks blocky to me, but the functionality appears to
> be excellent. Thoughts?
>
> cj
>
> Current project: Elevator Trim Tabs
>
> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net <http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: Important Wash D.C. ADIZ update |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Do Not Archive ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of AI Nut
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fw: Important Wash D.C. ADIZ update
--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
I propose we remove the current ADIZ PERMANENTLY. And do it right now.
David
DejaVu wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
>
>Not building related but if you can find some time, please read and provide
>comments at the sites below. The proposal is to extend the current ~30nmi
>ring to 50nmi and making it permanent. Pls also pass on to fellow pilots.
>Thanks,
>Anh
>#141
>do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ASN@AOPA.ORG [mailto:ASN@AOPA.ORG]
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:17 AM
>To: STUDTKE@OLG.COM
>Subject: Important ADIZ update
>
>
>Dear ASN Volunteers:
>
>As you may have read on AOPA Online or in "ePilot" last week, AOPA
>Senior Vice President of Government and Technical Affairs, Andy Cebula,
>met with Office of Management and Budget (OMB) officials regarding a
>proposal to make the Washington, D.C., Air Defense Identification
>Zone (ADIZ) permanent
>( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050728adiz.html ).
>
>This anticipated proposal was published today in the Federal Register.
>When the ADIZ was established in February 2003, without input from
>the pilot community, it was intended to be temporary. However, more
>than two years later it still exists, and the government wants to make
>it permanent.
>
>AOPA has full coverage of the ADIZ on our Web site
>( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050803adiz.html ),
>including the actual notice of proposed rulemaking
>( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050804adiz-nprm.pdf ).
>
>The comment period is open for 90 days. Please alert your fellow
>pilots and direct them to AOPA's Web site ( http://www.aopa.org )
>for continued updates. We will be asking members across the country
>to comment on the proposal.
>
>Thank you for your help!
>
>--The ASN Staff
>Stacy (Platone) Swigart, Director
>John L. Collins, Government Technical Specialist
>Kim Reed, Program Specialist
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Pnuematic Squeezer |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Hunter" <rwhunter@integraonline.com>
My pneumatic squeezer died after using it to squeeze 20 or so rivets.
The piston moves up and down, but there is no power. Any suggestions?
I have the whole weekend to my self and this is killing my progress.
Rob Hunter
40432
V/S
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fw: Important Wash D.C. ADIZ update
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
--> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Do Not Archive ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of AI Nut
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fw: Important Wash D.C. ADIZ update
--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
I propose we remove the current ADIZ PERMANENTLY. And do it right now.
David
DejaVu wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
>
>Not building related but if you can find some time, please read and
>provide comments at the sites below. The proposal is to extend the
>current ~30nmi ring to 50nmi and making it permanent. Pls also pass on
>to fellow pilots. Thanks, Anh
>#141
>do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ASN@AOPA.ORG [mailto:ASN@AOPA.ORG]
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:17 AM
>To: STUDTKE@OLG.COM
>Subject: Important ADIZ update
>
>
>Dear ASN Volunteers:
>
>As you may have read on AOPA Online or in "ePilot" last week, AOPA
>Senior Vice President of Government and Technical Affairs, Andy Cebula,
>met with Office of Management and Budget (OMB) officials regarding a
>proposal to make the Washington, D.C., Air Defense Identification Zone
>(ADIZ) permanent (
>http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050728adiz.html ).
>
>This anticipated proposal was published today in the Federal Register.
>When the ADIZ was established in February 2003, without input from the
>pilot community, it was intended to be temporary. However, more than
>two years later it still exists, and the government wants to make it
>permanent.
>
>AOPA has full coverage of the ADIZ on our Web site
>( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050803adiz.html ),
>including the actual notice of proposed rulemaking (
>http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050804adiz-nprm.pdf ).
>
>The comment period is open for 90 days. Please alert your fellow pilots
>and direct them to AOPA's Web site ( http://www.aopa.org ) for
>continued updates. We will be asking members across the country to
>comment on the proposal.
>
>Thank you for your help!
>
>--The ASN Staff
>Stacy (Platone) Swigart, Director
>John L. Collins, Government Technical Specialist
>Kim Reed, Program Specialist
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Pnuematic Squeezer |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Try adjusting the set, it sounds like you had it right on the edge of
ok, and it moved on you, remember it only develops full power in the
last 1/16 of travel and sometimes it is counter intuitive in getting set
right. What I usually do is use the adjustable set, and hold the piston
in the full up position, I then screw it all the way in until the rivet
just fits between the dies, then I will walk the setup in half turns
until I get the proper squeeze on the rivet.
Hope this helps
Dan
40269 wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Hunter
Subject: RV10-List: Pnuematic Squeezer
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Hunter"
<rwhunter@integraonline.com>
My pneumatic squeezer died after using it to squeeze 20 or so rivets.
The piston moves up and down, but there is no power. Any suggestions?
I have the whole weekend to my self and this is killing my progress.
Rob Hunter
40432
V/S
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fw: Important Wash D.C. ADIZ update
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
--> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Do Not Archive ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of AI Nut
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fw: Important Wash D.C. ADIZ update
--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
I propose we remove the current ADIZ PERMANENTLY. And do it right now.
David
DejaVu wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
>
>Not building related but if you can find some time, please read and
>provide comments at the sites below. The proposal is to extend the
>current ~30nmi ring to 50nmi and making it permanent. Pls also pass on
>to fellow pilots. Thanks, Anh
>#141
>do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ASN@AOPA.ORG [mailto:ASN@AOPA.ORG]
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:17 AM
>To: STUDTKE@OLG.COM
>Subject: Important ADIZ update
>
>
>Dear ASN Volunteers:
>
>As you may have read on AOPA Online or in "ePilot" last week, AOPA
>Senior Vice President of Government and Technical Affairs, Andy Cebula,
>met with Office of Management and Budget (OMB) officials regarding a
>proposal to make the Washington, D.C., Air Defense Identification Zone
>(ADIZ) permanent (
>http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050728adiz.html ).
>
>This anticipated proposal was published today in the Federal Register.
>When the ADIZ was established in February 2003, without input from the
>pilot community, it was intended to be temporary. However, more than
>two years later it still exists, and the government wants to make it
>permanent.
>
>AOPA has full coverage of the ADIZ on our Web site
>( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050803adiz.html ),
>including the actual notice of proposed rulemaking (
>http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050804adiz-nprm.pdf ).
>
>The comment period is open for 90 days. Please alert your fellow pilots
>and direct them to AOPA's Web site ( http://www.aopa.org ) for
>continued updates. We will be asking members across the country to
>comment on the proposal.
>
>Thank you for your help!
>
>--The ASN Staff
>Stacy (Platone) Swigart, Director
>John L. Collins, Government Technical Specialist
>Kim Reed, Program Specialist
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | GrandRapids EFIS |
Above a certain point, more resolution does not necessarily buy you any more functionality
that couldn't be provided with lower resolution. Indeed, above a
certain minimum necessary resolution, higher and higher resolution does not even
buy you more clarity or "better" depiction of necessary information.
That being said, with higher resolution you can often get something that looks
"cooler", whether or not when push comes to shove it actually conveys any more
information or not.
If you want examples, check out some books by Mr. Tufte . . .
TDT
40025
Do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Chris Johnston
Subject: RV10-List: GrandRapids EFIS
Hey all -
On the subject of cool glass panels, after a bunch of research, pretty much everything
short of seeing one in person, I really like the Grand Rapids stuff.
One thing that I'm not sure of however, is the resolution. Any of you folks that
made it out to OSH, can you shed some light here for me? Is the resolution
of the Horizon as low as I think it is? I'm just not sure I can live with the
low resolution, when there's such good looking stuff out there. What I've seen
of the screen shots just looks blocky to me, but the functionality appears
to be excellent. Thoughts?
cj
Current project: Elevator Trim Tabs
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net <http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/>
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| Subject: | Pnuematic Squeezer |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
I'm sure your squeezer hasn't died. I found that adjusting the set is
funny business. It seems like it's not working, until you adjust it
further OUT... just play around with it until it squeezes the rivet
properly. You'll get the hang of it. Another thing that happens to me
from time to time is that I forget to increase the air pressure for the
pneumatic squeezer after I've been using the rivet gun at a lower psi.
Cj
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Pnuematic Squeezer
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Try adjusting the set, it sounds like you had it right on the edge of
ok, and it moved on you, remember it only develops full power in the
last 1/16 of travel and sometimes it is counter intuitive in getting set
right. What I usually do is use the adjustable set, and hold the piston
in the full up position, I then screw it all the way in until the rivet
just fits between the dies, then I will walk the setup in half turns
until I get the proper squeeze on the rivet.
Hope this helps
Dan
40269 wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Hunter
Subject: RV10-List: Pnuematic Squeezer
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Hunter"
<rwhunter@integraonline.com>
My pneumatic squeezer died after using it to squeeze 20 or so rivets.
The piston moves up and down, but there is no power. Any suggestions?
I have the whole weekend to my self and this is killing my progress.
Rob Hunter
40432
V/S
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fw: Important Wash D.C. ADIZ update
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
--> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Do Not Archive ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of AI Nut
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fw: Important Wash D.C. ADIZ update
--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
I propose we remove the current ADIZ PERMANENTLY. And do it right now.
David
DejaVu wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
>
>Not building related but if you can find some time, please read and
>provide comments at the sites below. The proposal is to extend the
>current ~30nmi ring to 50nmi and making it permanent. Pls also pass on
>to fellow pilots. Thanks, Anh
>#141
>do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ASN@AOPA.ORG [mailto:ASN@AOPA.ORG]
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:17 AM
>To: STUDTKE@OLG.COM
>Subject: Important ADIZ update
>
>
>Dear ASN Volunteers:
>
>As you may have read on AOPA Online or in "ePilot" last week, AOPA
>Senior Vice President of Government and Technical Affairs, Andy Cebula,
>met with Office of Management and Budget (OMB) officials regarding a
>proposal to make the Washington, D.C., Air Defense Identification Zone
>(ADIZ) permanent (
>http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050728adiz.html ).
>
>This anticipated proposal was published today in the Federal Register.
>When the ADIZ was established in February 2003, without input from the
>pilot community, it was intended to be temporary. However, more than
>two years later it still exists, and the government wants to make it
>permanent.
>
>AOPA has full coverage of the ADIZ on our Web site
>( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050803adiz.html ),
>including the actual notice of proposed rulemaking (
>http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050804adiz-nprm.pdf ).
>
>The comment period is open for 90 days. Please alert your fellow pilots
>and direct them to AOPA's Web site ( http://www.aopa.org ) for
>continued updates. We will be asking members across the country to
>comment on the proposal.
>
>Thank you for your help!
>
>--The ASN Staff
>Stacy (Platone) Swigart, Director
>John L. Collins, Government Technical Specialist
>Kim Reed, Program Specialist
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>.
>
>
>
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From: GenGrumpy@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: For Tim Olson
-------------------------------1123298003
Tim,
Are your jugsnew jugs or just chromed the old ones to standard? With
overhauled jugs you may have one with 10,000 hours on it.
John
In a message dated 8/4/2005 10:26:43 PM Central Standard Time, Gen Grumpy
writes:
Many thanks, Tim.
Working hard now to find the right motor.....found a guy in TX to build me a
custom c/s prop designed for speed. Probably take 3-5 months for him to
finish it off.
I'm really interested in what you think of your motor once you get it mounted
and running.
I liked the roller/rods Lyc finally got around to using at Osh, just have a
hard time coughing up the amount of cash they want.....
The Mattituck website looks most interesting, but don't have any history on
them.
I, too, settled on the Chelton's at Osh after looking over GRT and BMT both.
Still debating on whether to use Dynon or BMT sport as my backup ADI. I am
not going to use a vacuum pump at all, and want the redundancy for IMC work.
So.....any light you can shed on your motor once you have done some tinkering
would be helpful, especially going to dual lightspeeds......?
-------------------------------1123298003
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Tim,
Are your jugsnew jugs or just chromed the old ones to standard?With overhauled
jugs you may have one with 10,000 hours on it.
John
In a message dated 8/4/2005 10:26:43 PM Central Standard Time, Gen Grumpy writes:
Many thanks, Tim.
Working hard now to find the right motor.....found a guy in TX to build me a custom
c/s prop designed for speed.=20Probably take 3-5 months for him to finish
it off.
I'm really interested in what you think of=20your motor once you get it mounted
and running.
I liked the roller/rods Lyc finally got around to using at Osh, just have a hard
time coughing up the amount of cash they want.....
The Mattituck website looks most interesting, but don't have any history on them.
I, too, settled on the Chelton's at Osh after looking over GRT and BMT both. Still
debating on whether to use Dynon or BMT sport as my backup ADI. I am not going
to use a vacuum pump=20at all, and want the redundancy for IMC work.
So.....any light you can shed on your motor once you have done some tinkering would
be helpful, especially going to dual lightspeeds......?
-------------------------------1123298003--
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| Subject: | Re: GrandRapids EFIS |
A message from a techie from Grand Rapids on the Yahoo GRT Email group said that
they have a new unit that will have the same screen size but with much higher
resolution and more horse power in the works. I asked a gentleman at the GRT
booth at OSH about the display and he said it would be about sometime next year,
but that you can upgrade to the new unit for the cost of the difference of
the old one. He said the panel cutout would be a different size. though. It
is supposed to be very similar to the Dynon D-100, but with terrain.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Dawson-Townsend
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:38 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: GrandRapids EFIS
Above a certain point, more resolution does not necessarily buy you any more
functionality that couldn't be provided with lower resolution. Indeed, above
a certain minimum necessary resolution, higher and higher resolution does not
even buy you more clarity or "better" depiction of necessary information.
That being said, with higher resolution you can often get something that looks
"cooler", whether or not when push comes to shove it actually conveys any more
information or not.
If you want examples, check out some books by Mr. Tufte . . .
TDT
40025
Do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Chris Johnston
Sent: Fri 8/5/2005 6:52 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: GrandRapids EFIS
Hey all -
On the subject of cool glass panels, after a bunch of research, pretty much everything
short of seeing one in person, I really like the Grand Rapids stuff.
One thing that I'm not sure of however, is the resolution. Any of you folks
that made it out to OSH, can you shed some light here for me? Is the resolution
of the Horizon as low as I think it is? I'm just not sure I can live with
the low resolution, when there's such good looking stuff out there. What I've
seen of the screen shots just looks blocky to me, but the functionality appears
to be excellent. Thoughts?
cj
Current project: Elevator Trim Tabs
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net <http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/>
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| Subject: | Re: For Tim Olson |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Brand new ECI cylinders.
do not archive
GenGrumpy@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Subject:
> Re: RV10-List: For Tim Olson
> From:
> GenGrumpy@aol.com
> Date:
> Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:13:23 EDT
> To:
> GenGrumpy@aol.com
>
> To:
> GenGrumpy@aol.com
>
>
> Tim,
>
> Are your jugsnew jugs or just chromed the old ones to standard? With
> overhauled jugs you may have one with 10,000 hours on it.
> John
>
> In a message dated 8/4/2005 10:26:43 PM Central Standard Time, Gen
> Grumpy writes:
>
> Many thanks, Tim.
>
> Working hard now to find the right motor.....found a guy in TX to
> build me a custom c/s prop designed for speed. Probably take 3-5
> months for him to finish it off.
>
> I'm really interested in what you think of your motor once you get
> it mounted and running.
>
> I liked the roller/rods Lyc finally got around to using at Osh, just
> have a hard time coughing up the amount of cash they want.....
>
> The Mattituck website looks most interesting, but don't have any
> history on them.
>
> I, too, settled on the Chelton's at Osh after looking over GRT and
> BMT both. Still debating on whether to use Dynon or BMT sport as my
> backup ADI. I am not going to use a vacuum pump at all, and want
> the redundancy for IMC work.
>
> So.....any light you can shed on your motor once you have done some
> tinkering would be helpful, especially going to dual lightspeeds......?
>
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