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1. 05:44 AM - Re: RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
3. 07:37 AM - Re: Rudder (John Hilger)
4. 10:27 AM - (larry b)
5. 11:47 AM - Re: (bob.kaufmann)
6. 12:07 PM - Pneumatic Pop Riveter (Marcus Cooper)
7. 02:20 PM - Re: Pneumatic Pop Riveter (Larry Rosen)
8. 03:32 PM - (larry b)
9. 06:23 PM - Re: RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy (Jesse Saint)
10. 06:24 PM - Re: RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy (Jesse Saint)
11. 06:28 PM - Re: Cutting Spinner to Go Over the Prop (Jesse Saint)
12. 06:44 PM - Re: RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy (Tim Olson)
13. 06:45 PM - Re: Cutting Spinner to Go Over the Prop (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy |
Na, you didn't go too far. I can take a whole lot worse. ;-) I just hate seeing
the same email every couple of months along with the usual 10 posts about
how everyone wants to see numbers first. Plus I just spent 10 hours doing the
CS bit on the main spars. Reminds me of the episode of the Simpson's where
"No beer makes Homer go something". That and my DSL is has been up and down like
a yo-yo the last 2 days and I have a online midterm due today. But I digress.
I haven't decided on Hartzel, MT, or Wizzbang yet myself so I'm really interested
in the numbers. I would slap a MT on in a heartbeat of the numbers look
good. As far as the email goes, anyone that searches the archives for MT will
see the group buy thing. This is the kinda thing that would be perfect for Sean's
wiki.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Wing Ribs
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy
I agree that it would be nice to have some hard numbers on the MT, but with over
3,500 e-mails through the list since the first of the year, many of them off-topic
or not relevant to me, I think an e-mail every couple of months about a
prop isn't that bad. Yes, I am sure it sound like advertising and it may be,
but I would not call it SPAM (and what does IMHO mean anyway?). If I decide
to go with an MT prop in the future, I am going to be glad that I got reminded
every couple of months about the group buy. What are the chances we can get
a group buy discount like that on the Hartzell?
Not to jump on you Mike (I probably went a little too far), but I think Jim's e-mail
to the group is more necessary than this one.
Keep building guys. It's worth it!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy
Jim,
I don't think you are going to get many takers until some real numbers are published
with this prop. Please refrain from the regular postings for this until
you have said numbers. Sending this every couple of months is starting to
smell like advertising SPAM IMHO.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Main Spar
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LessDragProd@aol.com
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy
Hi RV-10 builders,
If you are at a point in your RV-10 project where you will need to have a propeller
on hand in 2 1/2 months, this would be the time to be included in this group
buy.
The group buy price is $7,100 plus shipping.
For delivery disassembled to the closest MT assembly facility, the group buy price
is $7,430.
Van's Aircraft price for the same delivery is $8,060.
For an assembled propeller delivered to the closest international airport, the
group buy price is $8,150.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
This is a group buy for the RV-10 MT Propeller only. Please do not forward to
other email groups.
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| Subject: | Re: Exterior lighting choices - followup |
Well at least this makes me feel a little better about my decision. Of course
the couple of bucks difference in parts still doesn't really justify the huge
difference in final price but I'm sure it's a good product. I will report on
it when they show up this week. If I had to guess there probably isn't that much
difference. Sure the CreativAir is probably brighter, but is it really enough
to make a difference? Either way I would rather not quibble over a couple
hundred, given the big picture, without knowing for sure.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Wing ribs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Exterior lighting choices - follow-up
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
All this talk about the cheaper strobes motivated me to dig into my old email archive.
I KNEW I saw something about this before. Sorry I didn't jump in with
this earlier...it's been a hellish week.
Anyway, true or not, I do not know, but here is an email thread
I followed a while back. It's probably worth reading....I will
have to re-read it myself before I do anything. (I really need to order strobes
soon myself)
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Hi all...
With all the discussions on strobe power supplies going on lately, and with the
emails I received with questions about my power paks, I got some info from my
engineer on what makes my power paks (and the Whelen power supplies) different
from the automotive power supplies that are available...
As you may know, I contracted Nova to engineer and build my power paks, and so
I asked them for a comparison between my AVIPAK and their most popular auto power
pak; the XPAK604... I can get more detailed info if necessary...
"The AVIPAK has much larger discharge capacitors than the standard XPAK604. The
AVIPAK also charges the caps to a higher voltage level.
The flash rate is also much lower. This allows the AVIPAK to deliver much higher
energy discharges to the strobe heads.
The Max energy discharge from an XPAK604 is 11.5 Joules. The AVIPAK can deliver
a 27.66 Joule energy discharge! The AVIPAK also has a beefier filter circuit
on the input connection. This makes it a bit quieter on the +12V line and will
reduce RFI."
As I know it's a simple comparison, but there are significant differences...
Whelen's power supplies are very close to mine in power output, although mine are
a bit more... My power paks have a MUCH more modern design to them to include
the technology in the discharge capacitors, MOSFET circuitry for cool and
quiet operation, EMI/RFI Filtering, reverse polarity protection, over-voltage/absent
flashtube protection, tube de-ionization circuit to prolong flashtube life,
microprocessor controlled double and quadruple flash patterns, and input
surge protection...
I may be a bit biased, but I don't think you can get a better power pak...
;)
Hope this helps some of you that had questions.....oh, and soon I will have individual
power supplies for those of you that don't like the single power supply
configuration...
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
Hey Charlie...
Actually that's not exactly true... I just talked to my Nova Engineer on the phone
and he told me the XPAK904/906 does not have the intensity of the AVIPAK...
I'll try to explain it... This info came straight from him...
Think in terms of 1 quad flash burst to both wingtips at the same time:
The 904/906 will output about 36 joules TOTAL from the quad burst, times
2 wingtips about 72 joules total...
The AVIPAK will output about 41 joules TOTAL from the quad burst, times
2 wingtips about 82 joules total...
Although the AVIPAK has a lower "output rating in watts" than the 904/906, the
flash rate is also much lower which allows more time to charge a LARGER bank of
capacitors (25% larger than the 904/906), and the AVIPAK charges the capacitors
to a higher voltage at 550 volts, compared to the 904/906 which only charges
it's capacitors to 500 volts... More time to charge, higher voltage, and larger
capacitor bank directly relates to more joules and a higher intensity flash...
The lower "output rating in watts" of the AVIPAK also means less draw on your electrical
system, 5.5A @ 12.8V for the AVIPAK vs. 8.5A @ 12.8V for the 904/906...
Bigger flash with less amps!
Hope this helps...
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Kuss" <chaskuss@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Strobe Power Supply Discussion...
Bill
Try comparing your unit to Nova's 904 model and all your "alledged" superiority
goes right out the window.
Charlie Kuss
I have contracted Nova (www.strobes.com) to make my power supplies...
These are not the automotive supplies they sell, they are new supplied designed
after their Whelen counterparts... They have the same or more output than their
Whelen counterparts, and are built using modern technology, not the dated
technology that Whelen and AeroFlash uses...
I currently only have the single centrally mounted power supply done and for sale,
but the individual power supplies are in developments as I write this...
I also have low profile strobe heads and installation kits...
My AVI-PAK power supply is $260, designed as a direct replacement for the Whelen
A-413A-HDA-CF-14, and is $110 cheaper than Van's price on the Whelen...
I am working on direct replacements for the tail strobe/nav lamp from Whelen, as
well as the Whelen all-in-one position/strobe/nave unit that goes out on the
wingtip...
http://creativair.com/cva/
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: re: Strobe Lights
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
Darrell,
Whelen's public safety strobe power supplies are great for experimental aircraft
use. Do a search on my name and the word Whelen and you'll get some hits.
My home field is right nextdoor to Whelen and is owned by whelen. I've had several
off the record conversations with Whelen people about this.
Some have written that public safety strobes don't have to be as visible
as far away in the day time. (Although the person who wrote that knows
FAR FAR more about aviation than I will ever know, he is wrong in this
instance)
Whelen rates their power supplies in Joules. A Joule is a Joule is a Joule.
Another option is to investigate a power supply from another quality vendor.
Nova electronics. ( www.strobe.com ) Nova is just a few miles down
the road from Whelen and was started by ex-whelen employees. I have a
Nova power supply in my plane. (model EPS-40X)
It is a "ruggedized" verson of one of their power supplies. The entire unit is
potted in epoxy. Its completely water and vibration proof. It can drive 2 strobes
with a variety of patterns. I believe I paid about
$125 for it.
When I purchased it, I confirmed that it provided enough energy to the tubes to
be appropriate for aviation use.
It provides 34 Joules of energy to the tubes when used in an alternating pattern.
This is identical to the energy provided with individual wing tip whelen power
supplies (A490ATSCF)
If you use the single Whelen power supply (A413AHDACF), this unit can provide 42
Joules of power in alternating flash mode.
I hope this helps. Either way, a good Public safety power supply (either Nova
or Whelen) will work great in an aircraft.
By the way, have you ever been to Osh or SnF and seen the Whelen sponsored airplane
with all of the strobes all over it. That plane is powered by several School
Bus strobe power supplies.
Finally, some will say that non-aviation strobes are too "noisy". Have you ever
looked inside a modern Police car. They've got more radios than we do.
Power supplies, all of them, need to be quiet. Proper wiring and grounding
are what is needed for a quiet strobe installation. With any power supply.
Don
Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> Thanks for the Strobes N' More Reminder.
>
> Just ordered up two strobes for the wingtips at $17.99 each...
> <http://strobeguy.safeshopper.com/32/2191.htm?949>
>
> Compared to what looks like the "exact" same strobe from CreativeAir
> at $40 each?
><http://www.creativair.com/cva/product_info.php?cPath27&products_id3
> 8>
>
> Geesh, that's some markup.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> do not archive
>
> William Curtis wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen
>> >
>> >Anh,
>> >Which kit did you use? The 60 watt 4 head X-Pack kit? (except for
>> >the mounting bracket it looks just like the creative air system).
>> >Are you using the Whelen tail strobe/position light in the tail?
>>
>> I'm going with the X-Pack 604. I've ordered my wiring and strobe
>> bulbs from them. I'll order the power supply shortly. The rear
>> combination nav light and strobe bulb I ordered from Vans.
>>
>> After watching the planes depart OSH last week, I've decided that I
>> want the wing strobe lights to be outside the wingtip cutout and thus
>> separate from the navigation light. When they are placed in the
>> wingtip cutout, they are not visible from the rear. I know the single
>> rear strobe bulb is facing rear but I found the planes that had the
>> wingtip strobe bulbs visible from the rear were much easier to see
>> than those that just had the single tail mounted bulb.
>>
>> I picked up a pair (both Red and Green) of navigation lights (no
>> bulb) from B&B aircraft supply for $75. These will go inside the
>> wingtip cutout. I'll get lens covers for the strobe bulbs and mount
>> them on the side of the wingtips.
>>
>> William Curtis
>> #40237 - wings
>> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
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MessageRob
Those holes which are about 3/16" in diameter are tooling holes for the forming
operation that forms the flanges on the rib.
John Hilger
40359
Elevator
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Hunter
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rudder
I hope I didn't make my first mistake. When clecoing part R1004a to 1004B the
large existing hole ( there are 2 in R1004A) is covered half way by R1004B and
in R1003A it is covered completely by R1003B. Any thoughts?
Rob Hunter
40432
Rudder
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Hunter
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:40 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Pnuematic Squeezer
Thanks guys. The squeezer worked fine once I figured it out.
Rob Hunter
40432
Rudder now thanks to all of you!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 9:03 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Pnuematic Squeezer
Yep, nothing wrong with it, it just needs the set adjusted. Hopefully you
have an adjustable set or else time to add or remove shims.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Main spars
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:26 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Pnuematic Squeezer
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
--> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Try adjusting the set, it sounds like you had it right on the edge of ok,
and it moved on you, remember it only develops full power in the last 1/16 of
travel and sometimes it is counter intuitive in getting set right. What I usually
do is use the adjustable set, and hold the piston in the full up position,
I then screw it all the way in until the rivet just fits between the dies, then
I will walk the setup in half turns until I get the proper squeeze on the
rivet.
Hope this helps
Dan
40269 wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Hunter
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:59 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Pnuematic Squeezer
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Hunter"
<rwhunter@integraonline.com>
My pneumatic squeezer died after using it to squeeze 20 or so rivets.
The piston moves up and down, but there is no power. Any suggestions?
I have the whole weekend to my self and this is killing my progress.
Rob Hunter
40432
V/S
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 5:40 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fw: Important Wash D.C. ADIZ update
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
--> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Do Not Archive ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of AI Nut
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:27 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fw: Important Wash D.C. ADIZ update
--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
I propose we remove the current ADIZ PERMANENTLY. And do it right now.
David
DejaVu wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
>
>Not building related but if you can find some time, please read and
>provide comments at the sites below. The proposal is to extend the
>current ~30nmi ring to 50nmi and making it permanent. Pls also pass on
>to fellow pilots. Thanks, Anh
>#141
>do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ASN@AOPA.ORG [mailto:ASN@AOPA.ORG]
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:17 AM
>To: STUDTKE@OLG.COM
>Subject: Important ADIZ update
>
>
>Dear ASN Volunteers:
>
>As you may have read on AOPA Online or in "ePilot" last week, AOPA
>Senior Vice President of Government and Technical Affairs, Andy Cebula,
>met with Office of Management and Budget (OMB) officials regarding a
>proposal to make the Washington, D.C., Air Defense Identification Zone
>(ADIZ) permanent (
>http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050728adiz.html ).
>
>This anticipated proposal was published today in the Federal Register.
>When the ADIZ was established in February 2003, without input from the
>pilot community, it was intended to be temporary. However, more than
>two years later it still exists, and the government wants to make it
>permanent.
>
>AOPA has full coverage of the ADIZ on our Web site (
>http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050803adiz.html ),
>including the actual notice of proposed rulemaking (
>http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/050804adiz-nprm.pdf ).
>
>The comment period is open for 90 days. Please alert your fellow pilots
>and direct them to AOPA's Web site ( http://www.aopa.org ) for
>continued updates. We will be asking members across the country to
>comment on the proposal.
>
>Thank you for your help!
>
>--The ASN Staff
>Stacy (Platone) Swigart, Director
>John L. Collins, Government Technical Specialist Kim Reed, Program
>Specialist
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How much, and what condition?
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of larry b
Subject:
I have an IO540-C1B5 for sale. 250hp.
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| Subject: | Pneumatic Pop Riveter |
To all of you that do not yet have a pneumatic pop riveter, I recommend you
switch over to your internet browser and go to the Harbor Freight website,
www.harborfreight.com oddly enough, and order one as fast as you can type.
It is on sale again now for $34.99 and has saved my hands numerous times,
especially installing the floors in the fuselage. One of the rare times
when a cheap tool actually works as advertised. The part number is
00167-1AKH and I checked the website and it works if you use the "Find Item
Number:" area. I doubt you'll find something so useful for such a good
deal. No, I don't have any affiliation with Harbor Freight, just glad I got
this thing awhile ago.
Marcus
40286
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| Subject: | Re: Pneumatic Pop Riveter |
With the pneumatic pop riveter you can easily motivate others to help.
Zach (my 7 year old) has spent the past 2 days helping me build. :-) He
loves to use the pneumatic pop riveter. He pop riveted all the push
tubes. Today he needed something to do so he spent the past 2 hours
labeling trays for rivets and small parts and we are taking a break from
clecoing up the bottom skin on the right wing. It taken a while for him
to get his small hands around the cleco pliers but with practice he is
getting better.
How old do you need to be to get a repair man certificate? Maybe Zach
should be the builder.
Marcus Cooper wrote:
> To all of you that do not yet have a pneumatic pop riveter, I
> recommend you switch over to your internet browser and go to the
> Harbor Freight website, www.harborfreight.com oddly enough, and order
> one as fast as you can type. It is on sale again now for $34.99 and
> has saved my hands numerous times, especially installing the floors in
> the fuselage. One of the rare times when a cheap tool actually works
> as advertised. The part number is 00167-1AKH and I checked the website
> and it works if you use the Find Item Number: area. I doubt youll
> find something so useful for such a good deal. No, I dont have any
> affiliation with Harbor Freight, just glad I got this thing awhile ago.
>
> Marcus
>
> 40286
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Well with that explanation, I would have to ad a resounding IMHO to my
letter as well!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Jesse Saint wrote:
> (and what
> does IMHO mean anyway?).
In My Humble Opinion (IMHO).
:-)
do not archive
-Dj
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| Subject: | RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I was referring to a group buy price on the Hartzell. With that kind of
discount on the MT it would be great if the same type of deal could be
worked out on the Hartzell.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I don't mind the occasional reminder emails either...but I
too want to see numbers. As for the group buy Jesse, that's
what his $7100 price is...a group buy price. It's considerably
higher otherwise. And, to answer John's question, I don't think
builder assembly is an option. You have to pay for shipping,
and then pay the local dealer for assembly....and then you
have to figure out how to get it home once assembled.
I'm not 100% sure that there is no way around the assembly,
but from prior posts, I don't think there is.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jesse Saint wrote:
> I agree that it would be nice to have some hard numbers on the MT, but
> with over 3,500 e-mails through the list since the first of the year,
> many of them off-topic or not relevant to me, I think an e-mail every
> couple of months about a prop isn't that bad. Yes, I am sure it sound
> like advertising and it may be, but I would not call it SPAM (and what
> does IMHO mean anyway?). If I decide to go with an MT prop in the
> future, I am going to be glad that I got reminded every couple of months
> about the group buy. What are the chances we can get a group buy
> discount like that on the Hartzell?
>
>
>
> Not to jump on you Mike (I probably went a little too far), but I think
> Jim's e-mail to the group is more necessary than this one.
>
>
>
> Keep building guys. It's worth it!
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>
> W: 352-465-4545
>
> C: 352-427-0285
>
> F: 815-377-3694
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> *Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2005 12:09 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
>
>
> I don't think you are going to get many takers until some real numbers
> are published with this prop. Please refrain from the regular postings
> for this until you have said numbers. Sending this every couple of
> months is starting to smell like advertising SPAM IMHO.
>
>
>
> Michael Sausen
>
> -10 #352 Main Spar
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *LessDragProd@aol.com
> *Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2005 10:38 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy
>
> Hi RV-10 builders,
>
>
>
> If you are at a point in your RV-10 project where you will need to have
> a propeller on hand in 2 1/2 months, this would be the time to be
> included in this group buy.
>
>
>
> The group buy price is $7,100 plus shipping.
>
>
>
> For delivery disassembled to the closest MT assembly facility, the group
> buy price is $7,430.
>
> Van's Aircraft price for the same delivery is $8,060.
>
>
>
> For an assembled propeller delivered to the closest international
> airport, the group buy price is $8,150.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim Ayers
>
> This is a group buy for the RV-10 MT Propeller only. Please do not
> forward to other email groups.
>
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| Subject: | Cutting Spinner to Go Over the Prop |
We used a couple of 2x4's screwed together at one end and slid it onto the
blade and just twisted it. You will probably need one person to do this and
another to make some marks or measurements. Another possibility would be to
fire up the engine and use your governor control, but you would probably get
dizzy and may put unnecessary loads on your prop and on your body. I would
go with the first way.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu
Subject: RV10-List: Cutting Spinner to Go Over the Prop
The instructions said to notch out the spinner to fit around the prop
blades, and make sure that you have the clearance around the blades for all
pitch angles. How do you move the prop blades?
Anh
#141
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Once again I'm not 100% sure, but, I believe that the Van's price
is a very considerable discount over regular price on the
hartzell.....indicated by the fact that you're only allowed to
buy ONE prop at that price from Van's, for each kit you build.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jesse Saint wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> I was referring to a group buy price on the Hartzell. With that kind of
> discount on the MT it would be great if the same type of deal could be
> worked out on the Hartzell.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 11:33 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I don't mind the occasional reminder emails either...but I
> too want to see numbers. As for the group buy Jesse, that's
> what his $7100 price is...a group buy price. It's considerably
> higher otherwise. And, to answer John's question, I don't think
> builder assembly is an option. You have to pay for shipping,
> and then pay the local dealer for assembly....and then you
> have to figure out how to get it home once assembled.
> I'm not 100% sure that there is no way around the assembly,
> but from prior posts, I don't think there is.
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Jesse Saint wrote:
>
>>I agree that it would be nice to have some hard numbers on the MT, but
>>with over 3,500 e-mails through the list since the first of the year,
>>many of them off-topic or not relevant to me, I think an e-mail every
>>couple of months about a prop isn't that bad. Yes, I am sure it sound
>>like advertising and it may be, but I would not call it SPAM (and what
>>does IMHO mean anyway?). If I decide to go with an MT prop in the
>>future, I am going to be glad that I got reminded every couple of months
>>about the group buy. What are the chances we can get a group buy
>>discount like that on the Hartzell?
>>
>>
>>
>>Not to jump on you Mike (I probably went a little too far), but I think
>>Jim's e-mail to the group is more necessary than this one.
>>
>>
>>
>>Keep building guys. It's worth it!
>>
>>
>>
>>Jesse Saint
>>
>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>
>>jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>>
>>www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>>
>>W: 352-465-4545
>>
>>C: 352-427-0285
>>
>>F: 815-377-3694
>>
>>
>>*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV Builder
>>(Michael Sausen)
>>*Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2005 12:09 PM
>>*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>*Subject:* RE: RV10-List: RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy
>>
>>
>>
>>Jim,
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think you are going to get many takers until some real numbers
>>are published with this prop. Please refrain from the regular postings
>>for this until you have said numbers. Sending this every couple of
>>months is starting to smell like advertising SPAM IMHO.
>>
>>
>>
>>Michael Sausen
>>
>>-10 #352 Main Spar
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>*LessDragProd@aol.com
>>*Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2005 10:38 AM
>>*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>*Subject:* RV10-List: RV-10 MT Propeller Group Buy
>>
>>Hi RV-10 builders,
>>
>>
>>
>>If you are at a point in your RV-10 project where you will need to have
>>a propeller on hand in 2 1/2 months, this would be the time to be
>>included in this group buy.
>>
>>
>>
>>The group buy price is $7,100 plus shipping.
>>
>>
>>
>>For delivery disassembled to the closest MT assembly facility, the group
>>buy price is $7,430.
>>
>>Van's Aircraft price for the same delivery is $8,060.
>>
>>
>>
>>For an assembled propeller delivered to the closest international
>>airport, the group buy price is $8,150.
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Jim Ayers
>>
>>This is a group buy for the RV-10 MT Propeller only. Please do not
>>forward to other email groups.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Cutting Spinner to Go Over the Prop |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Now THAT paints a funny mental picture!!
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jesse Saint wrote:
> We used a couple of 2x4s screwed together at one end and slid it onto
> the blade and just twisted it. You will probably need one person to do
> this and another to make some marks or measurements. Another
> possibility would be to fire up the engine and use your governor
> control, but you would probably get dizzy and may put unnecessary loads
> on your prop and on your body. I would go with the first way.
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>
> W: 352-465-4545
>
> C: 352-427-0285
>
> F: 815-377-3694
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *DejaVu
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:35 AM
> *To:* RV10
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Cutting Spinner to Go Over the Prop
>
>
>
> The instructions said to notch out the spinner to fit around the prop
> blades, and make sure that you have the clearance around the blades for
> all pitch angles. How do you move the prop blades?
>
> Anh
>
> #141
>
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