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1. 04:35 AM - Re: AHRS mounting (Tim Olson)
2. 06:01 AM - Re: AHRS mounting (David McNeill)
3. 06:54 AM - Re: AHRS mounting (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 06:55 AM - Re: RV10 Kit For Sale (Murray Randall)
5. 06:55 AM - Re: Battery Purchase (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
6. 07:11 AM - Re: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5 (Phil Hall)
7. 07:42 AM - Re: RV10 Kit For Sale (Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk))
8. 07:53 AM - Re: RV10 Kit For Sale (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto)
9. 07:57 AM - Re: RV10 Kit For Sale (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
10. 07:58 AM - Re: Battery Purchase (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
11. 08:14 AM - Re: RV10 Kit For Sale (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
12. 08:33 AM - Re: RV10 Kit For Sale (Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk))
13. 08:34 AM - Re: RV10 Kit For Sale (Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk))
14. 08:34 AM - Re: RV10 Kit For Sale (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
15. 10:27 AM - Re: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5 (Randy DeBauw)
16. 10:33 AM - Re: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5 (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
17. 10:50 AM - Re: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5 (BPA)
18. 11:10 AM - Re: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5 (John W. Cox)
19. 03:25 PM - Re: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5 (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
20. 03:47 PM - MEK'd Rivets (John Erickson)
21. 03:53 PM - Re: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5 (John W. Cox)
22. 06:15 PM - Re: RV10 Kit For Sale (Tom Ganster)
23. 07:36 PM - Questions (Bill and Tami Britton)
24. 08:41 PM - Re: Questions (Rick)
25. 08:43 PM - Re: Questions (Sean Blair)
26. 09:01 PM - AMSAFE inertial belts. (David McNeill)
27. 09:04 PM - Re: Questions (Rick)
28. 09:38 PM - Mode-S Xponder - Stations Shutdown (DejaVu)
29. 09:49 PM - Manifold Pressure Fitting - Revisited (DejaVu)
30. 10:12 PM - Re: Mode-S Xponder - Stations Shutdown (David McNeill)
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| Subject: | Re: AHRS mounting |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hi David,
Very nice...thanks for the quick response.
3 questions:
1) Does it seem really stiff, or being on the longer side, does
it have twist in it? That would tend to make the instrument
show pitch movement with oscillations.
2) Will this interfere with the seatbelt cables that are coming from
the rear at about the same height?
3) Why did you choose to go back this far, instead of doing
it right behind the baggage wall? There might be a benefit
to moving it forward just because another front-rear
brace could be riveted to that center baggage wall support
so it would stiffen it more and make it pretty solid.
The only thing with that location is that it would either
have to be aft of those longeron bolts, or could maybe
be incorporated into them with longer bolts.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Doors/Windows
DO NOT ARCHIVE
David McNeill wrote:
> My planned mounting is on a platform which begins at the first bulkhead
> aft of the battery box and extends backwards about 12". It is mounted on
> the longerons and the centerline is determined by a line from the tail
> to the center of the forward end of the tailcone.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: "RV10" <RV10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:35 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: AHRS mounting
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> I'm wondering what others have come up with for mounting locations
>> for their AHRS. Crossbow says to mount them away from high
>> current wires, and from anything magnetic or moving and steel.
>> Preferrably on the longitudinal centerline, and as near to
>> the CG as possible.
>>
>> Due to the controls and flap motors and things, there really isn't
>> a good location as far as I can tell that's near the floor on
>> centerline. Under the panel may be OK, but I worry about
>> electrical interference and effects. My first instinct is to
>> mount it in the common place....just behind the baggage wall.
>> But it would have to be up high. It should also be mounted
>> stiffly, so that floppy center support in the baggage area
>> is of limited help.
>>
>> I could try to hang a shelf from angle AL riveted to the ceiling
>> at the front of the tailcone. That would for sure be do-able.
>> Don't know if GPS antennas would be a big problem mounted nearby...
>> I doubt it. Another option would be to build a shelf onto the
>> baggage wall itself, but I would think this might be too close
>> to baggage that may contain ferrous stuff.
>>
>> Anyone who's gone before and has a good tip would be of great
>> assistance. I know Vic has mounted one...haven't heard where,
>> but other than that, I don't know who's yet flying who has
>> a remote AHRS system....GRT/Chelton.
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: AHRS mounting |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
(1) no twist, the for and aft angles are .125 x 1 x 1 and the plate is .062.
perhaps overkill but no flex.
(2) no interference with my seat belt attachments. I am installing AMSAFE
inertial reels in the lid. I have reinforced the hard points and created two
new ones in the rear.
(3) although its located on the centerline its slightly above the
longitudinal axis and a few feet aft of the normal CG. my reasoning is that
the "heavy iron" users have similar equipment and their CG range is
considerably larger. I did not choose the baggage area due to wear and tear
of passenger/baggage access.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AHRS mounting
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hi David,
> Very nice...thanks for the quick response.
>
> 3 questions:
>
> 1) Does it seem really stiff, or being on the longer side, does
> it have twist in it? That would tend to make the instrument
> show pitch movement with oscillations.
>
> 2) Will this interfere with the seatbelt cables that are coming from
> the rear at about the same height?
>
> 3) Why did you choose to go back this far, instead of doing
> it right behind the baggage wall? There might be a benefit
> to moving it forward just because another front-rear
> brace could be riveted to that center baggage wall support
> so it would stiffen it more and make it pretty solid.
> The only thing with that location is that it would either
> have to be aft of those longeron bolts, or could maybe
> be incorporated into them with longer bolts.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current project: Doors/Windows
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> David McNeill wrote:
>> My planned mounting is on a platform which begins at the first bulkhead
>> aft of the battery box and extends backwards about 12". It is mounted on
>> the longerons and the centerline is determined by a line from the tail to
>> the center of the forward end of the tailcone.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> To: "RV10" <RV10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:35 PM
>> Subject: RV10-List: AHRS mounting
>>
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>
>>> I'm wondering what others have come up with for mounting locations
>>> for their AHRS. Crossbow says to mount them away from high
>>> current wires, and from anything magnetic or moving and steel.
>>> Preferrably on the longitudinal centerline, and as near to
>>> the CG as possible.
>>>
>>> Due to the controls and flap motors and things, there really isn't
>>> a good location as far as I can tell that's near the floor on
>>> centerline. Under the panel may be OK, but I worry about
>>> electrical interference and effects. My first instinct is to
>>> mount it in the common place....just behind the baggage wall.
>>> But it would have to be up high. It should also be mounted
>>> stiffly, so that floppy center support in the baggage area
>>> is of limited help.
>>>
>>> I could try to hang a shelf from angle AL riveted to the ceiling
>>> at the front of the tailcone. That would for sure be do-able.
>>> Don't know if GPS antennas would be a big problem mounted nearby...
>>> I doubt it. Another option would be to build a shelf onto the
>>> baggage wall itself, but I would think this might be too close
>>> to baggage that may contain ferrous stuff.
>>>
>>> Anyone who's gone before and has a good tip would be of great
>>> assistance. I know Vic has mounted one...haven't heard where,
>>> but other than that, I don't know who's yet flying who has
>>> a remote AHRS system....GRT/Chelton.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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David,
On the AMSAFE reels, are you also going with their airbag? Where did you get
them and what are those going for nowadays? I'm interested in using inertial
reels but I don't like the idea of using regular vehicle style as I don't know
how well they engage at different attitudes.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Wing ribs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AHRS mounting
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
(1) no twist, the for and aft angles are .125 x 1 x 1 and the plate is .062.
perhaps overkill but no flex.
(2) no interference with my seat belt attachments. I am installing AMSAFE inertial
reels in the lid. I have reinforced the hard points and created two new ones
in the rear.
(3) although its located on the centerline its slightly above the longitudinal
axis and a few feet aft of the normal CG. my reasoning is that the "heavy iron"
users have similar equipment and their CG range is considerably larger. I did
not choose the baggage area due to wear and tear of passenger/baggage access.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AHRS mounting
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hi David,
> Very nice...thanks for the quick response.
>
> 3 questions:
>
> 1) Does it seem really stiff, or being on the longer side, does it
> have twist in it? That would tend to make the instrument show pitch
> movement with oscillations.
>
> 2) Will this interfere with the seatbelt cables that are coming from
> the rear at about the same height?
>
> 3) Why did you choose to go back this far, instead of doing it right
> behind the baggage wall? There might be a benefit to moving it
> forward just because another front-rear brace could be riveted to that
> center baggage wall support so it would stiffen it more and make it
> pretty solid.
> The only thing with that location is that it would either have to be
> aft of those longeron bolts, or could maybe be incorporated into them
> with longer bolts.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current project: Doors/Windows
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> David McNeill wrote:
>> My planned mounting is on a platform which begins at the first
>> bulkhead aft of the battery box and extends backwards about 12". It
>> is mounted on the longerons and the centerline is determined by a
>> line from the tail to the center of the forward end of the tailcone.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> To: "RV10" <RV10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:35 PM
>> Subject: RV10-List: AHRS mounting
>>
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>
>>> I'm wondering what others have come up with for mounting locations
>>> for their AHRS. Crossbow says to mount them away from high current
>>> wires, and from anything magnetic or moving and steel.
>>> Preferrably on the longitudinal centerline, and as near to the CG as
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> Due to the controls and flap motors and things, there really isn't a
>>> good location as far as I can tell that's near the floor on
>>> centerline. Under the panel may be OK, but I worry about
>>> electrical interference and effects. My first instinct is to
>>> mount it in the common place....just behind the baggage wall.
>>> But it would have to be up high. It should also be mounted stiffly,
>>> so that floppy center support in the baggage area is of limited
>>> help.
>>>
>>> I could try to hang a shelf from angle AL riveted to the ceiling at
>>> the front of the tailcone. That would for sure be do-able.
>>> Don't know if GPS antennas would be a big problem mounted nearby...
>>> I doubt it. Another option would be to build a shelf onto the
>>> baggage wall itself, but I would think this might be too close to
>>> baggage that may contain ferrous stuff.
>>>
>>> Anyone who's gone before and has a good tip would be of great
>>> assistance. I know Vic has mounted one...haven't heard where, but
>>> other than that, I don't know who's yet flying who has a remote AHRS
>>> system....GRT/Chelton.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Kit For Sale |
I am currently interested in hearing from any RV10 builder that needs to sell the
project Murray Randall
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| Subject: | Battery Purchase |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Tim,
As a point of interest - I was discussing voltage sag and the various
related issues with Klaus from LSE during OSH. He said that B&C field
wound starters didn't really have any issue but the Skytech starters in
particular were PM and really sucked a lot of juice during start. I
don't have quantitative specifics on this - just passing along anecdotal
info.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Battery Purchase
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
My last plane with an O-360 had an RG-35 battery. I put in
an RG-35XC as an upgrade. Never had it fail to crank the
engine, so I can't tell how overkill that was, but the
RG-35 was standard. I guess that's why I'm additicted
to the bigger battery. As for the PM starters....isn't
that pretty much what everyone is using these days? Mines
a skytec HT starter.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Michael,
>
> I'm hoping there isn't an issue - the two 17ah PC680 batteries have
> far more juice than a single RG-25. It is my understanding that in
> non-extreme cold conditions that a single PC680 could crank an IO-540
> alone. Using a PM starter is much more likely to cause the issues
> you mention.
>
> Bob -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless
> Handheld
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> <rv10-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sun Aug 14 12:05:02 2005 Subject: RE:
> RV10-List: Battery Purchase
>
> The single item that is keeping me on the one large battery, one
> small battery path is engine start. If I were to go with two medium
> batteries for redundancy, I'm guessing I would still have the
> possibility for voltage drop below the reset point for many of the
> avionics or worse, the ignition system. This is completely
> unacceptable to me. So at this time I will probably stick with a
> single large battery with a small battery to act as power during
> startup and emergency needs. I would rather engineer to a common
> problem than an uncommon and at this point this makes sense.
>
> Now I would love to hear if voltage drop is a problem from you or Bob
> once you are flying. I still prefer the idea of two medium batteries
> but need more data to support it. Please keep us updated.
>
> Michael Sausen -10 #352 Wing Ribs
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
> Froehlich Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 12:05 PM To:
> rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery Purchase
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Carl Froehlich" -->
> <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
>
> Thanks Tim.
>
> There are some advantages to having the two Odyssey PC-625 batteries
> instead of one large battery and one small backup or "essential"
> battery. My thinking was that while flying, electrical faults will
> happen, and electrical resources should degrade gracefully when these
> faults happen. With an all electric panel and dual electronic
> ignitions, the other design element was the pilot will not trouble
> shoot problems until the plane is on the ground. These
> characteristics however were byproducts of the one main design
> criteria, that no single fault could cause a total lose of electrical
> power. I have studied several dual battery, single and or dual
> alternator setups that in one way or another fail to satisfy this
> criteria. Usually the single fault point is a junction of some sort
> that if shorted to ground (explodes) would bring down the whole
> system.
>
> Some other thoughts: - One of the major steady state load is the
> power to just keep the master solenoids shut. On my ship, the first
> step in a loss of alternator problem is to open both master switches.
> The only loads lost are those on the non-vital buss (nav/landing
> lights, pitot heat, etc.). Those loads can be brought back when
> needed (landing) by shutting one or both master solenoids. This load
> shedding achieves the design element of continued IFR flight on
> battery power alone until fuel exhaustion. The step to open both
> master solenoids also isolates one battery from the other - thus
> incase the alternator failure was caused by some other fault at least
> one battery is now protected. Once the masters are open you can
> quickly tell what is going on.
>
> - The left and right vital busses are powered via 30 amp relays that
> draw only 100ma when shut. Also, either vital bus can be powered for
> either battery.
>
> - The batteries are located on opposite sides of the fuselage - again
> to isolate from the catastrophic battery failure taking out both
> batteries.
>
> - Having both batteries identical mitigates load sharing issues when
> the batteries are in parallel (normal operation).
>
> - There is no need to have alternate power for the electronic
> ignitions. As long as there is one battery, the engine hardly
> notices the difference.
>
> There are many good approached to a modern, reliable power
> distribution system. This is just another one for consideration
> and/or a starting point for further modifications.
>
> Carl
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:18 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Battery Purchase
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Wow, I hadn't had time to really look at Carl's Power diagram until
> this a.m. I was very surprised to see that his was very similar to
> mine in concept.
>
> He's got a "Left" and "Right" buss....each with their own "Vital"
> bus. Both batteries, left and right, are used for starting the
> engine, but each electronic ignition is fed from a separate bus. In
> addition to both vital and non-vital busses on left and right, he has
> a main bus, that is for completely non-vital stuff. The main
> difference with his is that he uses his 2 batteries both to start the
> engine, and he splits his loads on vital equipment to 2 busses.
>
>
> Mine is built with the idea that the 2nd battery will be smaller, and
> will not be used during engine start for cranking, but for powering
> up some engine equipment and the main EFIS pair. I have a MAIN and
> and AUX Bus. I also have an Essential bus (like his vital bus) and an
> Avionics Bus. The difference here is just that I now can have an
> Avionics Master (nice since some of the equipment has no on/off
> switch). The Essential bus allows me to easily kill all of my
> non-essential avionics. Then there is one more bus, and that's the
> Main buss. This bus is only used for lighting and completely
> non-critical stuff. So, with very little work, I can shut down to
> critical only and ditch anything wasting power. In addition to all
> of this, I currently have planned an Aux. Alternator just to provide
> some additional power should the main alternator fail. Basically,
> you woulndn't be using these essential busses if you had a working
> alternator, so I felt it necessary....but it would depend on your
> required loads and total time you want to keep flying. If I get a
> larger-than-planned aux. battery, I may very well decide to ditch my
> Aux. Alternator.
>
> My circuit is also posted on the tips page (but I haven't updated it
> yet to include an internally regulated alternator).
> http://www.myrv10.com/tips/electrical.html
>
> Thanks again Carl, for allowing us your diagram. It's great to
> compare and look at ideas.
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Hey, Guys....
>>
>> Carl's Power diagram is posted at:
>>
http://www.myrv10.com/files/electrical/schematics/716RV_wiring_diag.pp
>> t
>>
>> That should save him emailing it out one-by-one.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> Dick Gurley wrote:
>>
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dick Gurley" -->
>>> <rngurley@mindspring.com>
>>>
>>> Please sent to me as well.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Dick Gurley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From:
>>> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Richard Leach Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:10 PM To:
>>> rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery Purchase
>>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Leach" -->
>>> <papadaddyo@verizon.net>
>>>
>>> Carl, add one more to the list that would like to have the
>>> diagram.
>>>
>>> Rick Leach
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From:
>>> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
>>> Froehlich Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:03 PM To:
>>> rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery Purchase
>>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Carl Froehlich"
>>> <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
>>>
>>> I have a pair of Odyssey PC-625's in my RV-8A. The install
>>> supports dual electronic ignitions and an all electric panel.
>>> The design is based on being able to continue IFR flight with the
>>> lost of the alternator and one battery until fuel exhaustion. If
>>> interested I'll send the power distribution diagram.
>>>
>>> Although the normal mode is to have both batteries on line, I
>>> have done some single battery op tests. One battery spins my
>>> O-360 just fine.
>>>
>>> Carl Froehlich RV-8A (200 hrs), RV-10 on the wish list
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From:
>>> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>>> Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:49 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery
>>> Purchase
>>>
>>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
>>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>>
>>> Tim,
>>>
>>> Another option is the route I'm going - I decided to go with a
>>> pair of smaller PC-680s and use the Z-14 approach. Weight
>>> penalty of the additional battery is only ~6 pounds over the
>>> Concorde. Add in the related additional contactor(s) depending
>>> on the exact implementation and you're far lighter than the big
>>> Odyssey batteries that you're considering. Upside is that you'll
>>> get an additional layer of redundancy.
>>>
>>> Bob #40105
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From:
>>> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
>>> Olson Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:52 AM To:
>>> rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Battery Purchase
>>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>
>>> Oh the supply of 12V isn't a problem....I have a 3A 12V
>>> conditioned and regulated supply. The problem is that I want a
>>> supply that can push maybe 20-25A continuous for 15 minutes or
>>> more. Stein got a couple good ones for OSH...man were they big.
>>> I can go that route, but I figured if I needed a battery anyway,
>>> I may as well pick one up and just use it and have my 10A battery
>>> charger hooked up at the same time. I'm hoping that I'll be
>>> needing a battery in the plane by the end of the year anyway.
>>> Things are going slow right now, but I'm on multiple task
>>> branches....I think once I finsish some of these branches and
>>> focus on single tasks, I'll be moving quite fast again.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all for your input on the batteries.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 Current project: Fuselage
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>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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>>> Rick wrote:
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>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
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>>>> Tim,
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>>>> I use a computer power supply for bench work, pull one out and
>>>> see, if
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<003c01c5a0ff$f990fae0$55826947@starnfamily>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Phil Hall <phil@asibuildings.com>
Anh,
The clearance is down to a piece of paper. To the best of my knowlege (not
much) the engine is correct. The engine had hit TBO on a freight hauler
and I had to wait till they had time to make the engine swap to get it.
Phil
At 12:40 AM 8/15/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
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>Phil,
>My clearance is about 1/8". I have a D4A5. Not being able to see the gap
>from your picture I'm guessing yours is probably 1/16". I looked at the
>Lord isolators carefully before mounting and there were no top or bottom
>that I could distinguish. They appeared symetrical.
>Incidentally, I thought a stock C4B5 once converted for injection is
>redesignated as D4A5. Is there such an animal as IO-540 C4B5?
>Anh
>#141
>(Cowling)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 2:42 PM
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
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>> Are you sure the "rubber" engine mounts are installed in the proper order.
>> They install differently (reversed) top & bottom, the order/sequence could
>> mean an angle change which could lift the pan/sump away from the mount.
>???
>> Note the word "could", I'm not sure of your mounts or the C4B5.
>> KABONG HRII IO-540 J4A5 Do Not Archive
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Phil Hall" <phil@asibuildings.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 3:07 AM
>> Subject: RV10-List: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5
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>> >I just hung my IO-540-C4B5 and as you can see there is no clearance
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I have a completed empennage, a barely started wing kit and tools for
sale for $11,000. give me a phone number to call.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Murray
Randall
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
I am currently interested in hearing from any RV10 builder that needs to
sell the project Murray Randall
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What is your location?
-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
I have a completed empennage, a barely started wing kit and tools for sale for
$11,000. give me a phone number to call.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Murray Randall
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
I am currently interested in hearing from any RV10 builder that needs to sell the
project Murray Randall
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Do Not Archive ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Schawang, Darrin
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
What is your location?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
I have a completed empennage, a barely started wing kit and tools for sale for
$11,000. give me a phone number to call.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Murray Randall
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
I am currently interested in hearing from any RV10 builder that needs to sell the
project Murray Randall
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Tim,
There's a little more to it than the info below. The numbers in the
model number reflect info about a 5 second hot cranking amp capacity
(680 A vs. 625 A). Here's a page with graphical info that somebody sent
me:
http://www.enersysreservepower.com/ody_b.asp?routine=ody_dchrg&brandID=5
One other factor - It was less impact to modify the battery tray for the
PC-680s. An RG-25 (which the tray was made to accept) is just a hair
under 5" wide. A Pair of PC-680s are about 6.25" wide as compared to
about 7.8" for a pair of PC-625s
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Battery Purchase
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Cool David, thanks for providing those numbers. It's nice to
see what the real specs show.
For comparison to Odyssey batteries, here's the specs on those:
CCA Nom.Capacity Reserve Capacity
PC625 265 17Ah 27 min
PC680 220 16Ah 24 min
PC925 380 27Ah 52 min
PC1200 550 40Ah 78 min
Ahh these specs are from here:
http://www.odysseyfactory.com/specs.htm
Interesting....I would have thought the capacities go up
with higher model number, but that PC625 of Carls actually
has more oompf than the PC680...
Tim
David McNeill wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
>
> regarding the cranking of the IO540 with a 680. I have the new IO540
and
> the engine starter specs. The draw IIRC is about 300A to start the
> moving and rapidly drops to about 200A for the remainder of the
> cranking. If someone is interested I will dig out the manual and get
the
> official numbers. Incidentally the 680 in the Glastar cranks the
Skytec
> starter like the aircraft engine/motor is electric. Very fast crank.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
> To: <RV10-List@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 12:45 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Battery Purchase
>
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> I'm hoping there isn't an issue - the two 17ah PC680 batteries have
>> far more juice than a single RG-25. It is my understanding that in
>> non-extreme cold conditions that a single PC680 could crank an IO-540
>> alone. Using a PM starter is much more likely to cause the issues
you
>> mention.
>>
>> Bob
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sun Aug 14 12:05:02 2005
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery Purchase
>>
>> The single item that is keeping me on the one large battery, one
small
>> battery path is engine start. If I were to go with two medium
>> batteries for redundancy, I'm guessing I would still have the
>> possibility for voltage drop below the reset point for many of the
>> avionics or worse, the ignition system. This is completely
>> unacceptable to me. So at this time I will probably stick with a
>> single large battery with a small battery to act as power during
>> startup and emergency needs. I would rather engineer to a common
>> problem than an uncommon and at this point this makes sense.
>>
>> Now I would love to hear if voltage drop is a problem from you or
Bob
>> once you are flying. I still prefer the idea of two medium batteries
>> but need more data to support it. Please keep us updated.
>>
>> Michael Sausen
>> -10 #352 Wing Ribs
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Froehlich
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 12:05 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery Purchase
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Carl Froehlich"
>> --> <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
>>
>> Thanks Tim.
>>
>> There are some advantages to having the two Odyssey PC-625 batteries
>> instead of one large battery and one small backup or "essential"
>> battery. My thinking was that while flying, electrical faults will
>> happen, and electrical resources should degrade gracefully when these
>> faults happen.
>> With an all electric panel and dual electronic ignitions, the other
>> design element was the pilot will not trouble shoot problems until
the
>> plane is on the ground. These characteristics however were
byproducts
>> of the one main design criteria, that no single fault could cause a
>> total lose of electrical power. I have studied several dual battery,
>> single and or dual alternator setups that in one way or another fail
>> to satisfy this criteria. Usually the single fault point is a
>> junction of some sort that if shorted to ground
>> (explodes) would bring down the whole system.
>>
>> Some other thoughts:
>> - One of the major steady state load is the power to just keep the
>> master solenoids shut. On my ship, the first step in a loss of
>> alternator problem is to open both master switches. The only loads
>> lost are those on the non-vital buss (nav/landing lights, pitot heat,
>> etc.). Those loads can be brought back when needed (landing) by
>> shutting one or both master solenoids.
>> This load shedding achieves the design element of continued IFR
flight
>> on battery power alone until fuel exhaustion. The step to open both
>> master solenoids also isolates one battery from the other - thus
>> incase the alternator failure was caused by some other fault at least
>> one battery is now protected. Once the masters are open you can
>> quickly tell what is going on.
>>
>> - The left and right vital busses are powered via 30 amp relays that
>> draw only 100ma when shut. Also, either vital bus can be powered for
>> either battery.
>>
>> - The batteries are located on opposite sides of the fuselage - again
>> to isolate from the catastrophic battery failure taking out both
>> batteries.
>>
>> - Having both batteries identical mitigates load sharing issues when
>> the batteries are in parallel (normal operation).
>>
>> - There is no need to have alternate power for the electronic
>> ignitions. As long as there is one battery, the engine hardly notices
>> the difference.
>>
>> There are many good approached to a modern, reliable power
>> distribution system. This is just another one for consideration
>> and/or a starting point for further modifications.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:18 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Battery Purchase
>>
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Wow, I hadn't had time to really look at Carl's Power
>> diagram until this a.m. I was very surprised to see
>> that his was very similar to mine in concept.
>>
>> He's got a "Left" and "Right" buss....each with their
>> own "Vital" bus. Both batteries, left and right, are
>> used for starting the engine, but each electronic ignition is fed
from
>> a separate bus. In addition to both vital and non-vital busses on
>> left and right, he has a main bus, that is for completely non-vital
>> stuff. The main difference with his is that he uses his 2 batteries
>> both to start the engine, and he splits his loads on vital equipment
>> to 2 busses.
>>
>>
>> Mine is built with the idea that the 2nd battery will be smaller, and
>> will not be used during engine start for cranking, but for powering
up
>> some engine equipment and
>> the main EFIS pair. I have a MAIN and and AUX Bus.
>> I also have an Essential bus (like his vital bus) and an Avionics
Bus.
>> The difference here is just that I now can have an Avionics Master
>> (nice since some of the equipment
>> has no on/off switch). The Essential bus allows me to
>> easily kill all of my non-essential avionics. Then there is one more
>> bus, and that's the Main buss. This bus is only used for lighting
and
>> completely non-critical stuff.
>> So, with very little work, I can shut down to critical
>> only and ditch anything wasting power. In addition to
>> all of this, I currently have planned an Aux. Alternator just to
>> provide some additional power should the main alternator fail.
>> Basically, you woulndn't be using these essential busses if you had a
>> working alternator, so I felt it necessary....but it would depend on
>> your required loads and total time you want to keep flying.
>> If I get a larger-than-planned aux. battery, I may very well decide
to
>> ditch my Aux. Alternator.
>>
>> My circuit is also posted on the tips page (but I haven't updated it
>> yet to include an internally regulated alternator).
>> http://www.myrv10.com/tips/electrical.html
>>
>> Thanks again Carl, for allowing us your diagram. It's great to
>> compare and look at ideas.
>>
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>> Current project: Fuselage
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>
>>> Hey, Guys....
>>>
>>> Carl's Power diagram is posted at:
>>>
http://www.myrv10.com/files/electrical/schematics/716RV_wiring_diag.pp
>>> t
>>>
>>> That should save him emailing it out one-by-one.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> Dick Gurley wrote:
>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dick Gurley"
>>>> --> <rngurley@mindspring.com>
>>>>
>>>> Please sent to me as well.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Dick Gurley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>> Leach
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:10 PM
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery Purchase
>>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Leach"
>>>> --> <papadaddyo@verizon.net>
>>>>
>>>> Carl, add one more to the list that would like to have the diagram.
>>>>
>>>> Rick Leach
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
>>>> Froehlich
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:03 PM
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery Purchase
>>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Carl Froehlich"
>>>> <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
>>>>
>>>> I have a pair of Odyssey PC-625's in my RV-8A. The install
supports
>>>> dual electronic ignitions and an all electric panel. The design is
>>>> based on being able to continue IFR flight with the lost of the
>>>> alternator and one battery until fuel exhaustion. If interested
I'll
>>>> send the power distribution diagram.
>>>>
>>>> Although the normal mode is to have both batteries on line, I have
>>>> done some single battery op tests. One battery spins my O-360 just
>>>> fine.
>>>>
>>>> Carl Froehlich
>>>> RV-8A (200 hrs), RV-10 on the wish list
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Condrey,
>>>> Bob (US SSA)
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:49 PM
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery Purchase
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
>>>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>>>
>>>> Tim,
>>>>
>>>> Another option is the route I'm going - I decided to go with a pair
>>>> of smaller PC-680s and use the Z-14 approach. Weight penalty of
the
>>>> additional battery is only ~6 pounds over the Concorde. Add in the
>>>> related additional contactor(s) depending on the exact
implementation
>>>> and you're far lighter than the big Odyssey batteries that you're
>>>> considering. Upside is that you'll get an additional layer of
>>>> redundancy.
>>>>
>>>> Bob #40105
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Olson
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:52 AM
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Battery Purchase
>>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>>
>>>> Oh the supply of 12V isn't a problem....I have a 3A 12V conditioned
>>>> and regulated supply. The problem is that I want a supply that can
>>>> push maybe 20-25A continuous for 15 minutes or more. Stein got a
>>>> couple good ones for OSH...man were they big. I can go that route,
>>>> but I figured if I needed a battery anyway, I may as well pick one
up
>>>> and just use it and have my 10A battery charger hooked
>>>> up at the same time. I'm hoping that I'll be needing a battery
>>>> in the plane by the end of the year anyway. Things are going slow
>>>> right now, but I'm on multiple task branches....I think once I
>>>> finsish some of these branches and focus on single tasks, I'll be
>>>> moving quite fast again.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to all for your input on the batteries.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>>>> Current project: Fuselage
>>>>
>>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>
>>>>> I use a computer power supply for bench work, pull one out and
see,
>>>>> if
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>>>>
>>>>> rick S.
>>>>> 40185
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Off list email?
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
Do Not Archive ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Schawang, Darrin
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:52 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
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What is your location?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:42 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
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I have a completed empennage, a barely started wing kit and tools
for sale for $11,000. give me a phone number to call.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Murray Randall
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:45 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
I am currently interested in hearing from any RV10 builder that
needs to sell the project Murray Randall
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Salt lake city, ut. I can be reached at 801-743-3117days or 801-699-1683
nights/ weekends
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
Do Not Archive ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Schawang,
Darrin
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:52 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
What is your location?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Schroeder, Bob
(Parts Clerk)
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:42 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
I have a completed empennage, a barely started wing kit
and tools for sale for $11,000. give me a phone number to call.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Murray
Randall
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:45 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
I am currently interested in hearing from any RV10
builder that needs to sell the project Murray Randall
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Salt lake city, ut. Darrin, I can be reached at 801-743-3117 days or
801-699-1683 nights/ weekends. Thanks for the interest!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Schawang,
Darrin
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
What is your location?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Schroeder, Bob
(Parts Clerk)
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:42 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
I have a completed empennage, a barely started wing kit and
tools for sale for $11,000. give me a phone number to call.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Murray
Randall
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:45 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
I am currently interested in hearing from any RV10 builder that
needs to sell the project Murray Randall
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| Subject: | RV10 Kit For Sale |
bschroeder@uta.cog.ut.us
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
Off list email?
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Schawang,
Darrin
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:52 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
What is your location?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Schroeder, Bob
(Parts Clerk)
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:42 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
I have a completed empennage, a barely started wing kit
and tools for sale for $11,000. give me a phone number to call.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Murray
Randall
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:45 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
I am currently interested in hearing from any RV10
builder that needs to sell the project Murray Randall
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| Subject: | engine mount & IO-540-C4B5 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
I have about 1/2 " of clearance but I have an D4A5. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Hall
Subject: RV10-List: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5
I just hung my IO-540-C4B5 and as you can see there is no clearance
between
the pan and engine mount. Am I the only one to have this problem? Open
for suggestions.
Phil
The Hangar Man
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| Subject: | engine mount & IO-540-C4B5 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Is there a difference between narrowdeck and widedeck IO-540s?
TDT
40025
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
I have about 1/2 " of clearance but I have an D4A5. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Hall
Subject: RV10-List: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5
I just hung my IO-540-C4B5 and as you can see there is no clearance
between
the pan and engine mount. Am I the only one to have this problem? Open
for suggestions.
Phil
The Hangar Man
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| Subject: | engine mount & IO-540-C4B5 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
Tim,
As far as mounting the engine to the mount? No, there is no difference
between the two.
Allen Barrett
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Is there a difference between narrowdeck and widedeck IO-540s?
TDT
40025
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
I have about 1/2 " of clearance but I have an D4A5. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Hall
Subject: RV10-List: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5
I just hung my IO-540-C4B5 and as you can see there is no clearance
between
the pan and engine mount. Am I the only one to have this problem? Open
for suggestions.
Phil
The Hangar Man
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| Subject: | engine mount & IO-540-C4B5 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Mr. Barrett, I believe there are a couple of additional questions
lurking (within the build community) as to installed engine weight and
dimensional width within the stock VAN's RV-10 cowl as well, but I am
not sure.
The official position posted was I believe, no wide deck, no angled
valve, no additional power output, no installed weight increase beyond
the IO-540-D4A5... but I may be reading too much into the recommended
limitations.
Can you expand our knowledge?
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA
Subject: RE: RV10-List: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5
--> RV10-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
Tim,
As far as mounting the engine to the mount? No, there is no difference
between the two.
Allen Barrett
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Is there a difference between narrowdeck and widedeck IO-540s?
TDT
40025
Do not archive
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| Subject: | engine mount & IO-540-C4B5 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
Certainly. First and foremost, the angle head 540 as in an "E" model,
weighs roughly 60 lbs. more than a parallel head 540 D4A5. Some of this
is due to the additional weight of the cylinders. An angle head
cylinder, by design, has more cooling fins than a parallel head,
allowing better cooling capability, but is at a weight disadvantage
because of the bigger head. The angle head cylinder weighs about 7.5 lbs
more than the parallel head. This is only 45 lbs, but by the time you
add the additional weight of longer intake tubes, different sump etc, it
gets right on up there. It also is wider than the D4A5, but not more
than about an inch. Another issue is height of the engine. The angle
head engine is almost an inch taller.
WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK
I do not understand the narrow deck, wide deck issue. I will tell you
that it is almost impossible to find a good run out narrow deck core to
overhaul, and you certainly can't buy a new narrow deck engine, because
they don't make them anymore. All engines from Lycoming are now wide
deck engines. The weight issue doesn't come into play because the
difference is negligible. It's probably not more than the difference in
a Kelly Aerospace vs B&C or Skytech starter. There is a difference in
the governor drives between a narrow deck and wide deck.
POWER INCREASES:
I could be WAY off base here, but it is probable the IO-540 D4A5 is the
engine used in the prototype RV-10. All the performance numbers were
gained using this engine and therefore any power increases would be (in
Van's defense) uncharted waters. However, if I were building an aircraft
that I wanted to market to the masses, I would have a very large margin
of safety as far as horsepower is concerned, meaning there would be some
room for improvements. How many people know that the very first Pitts
had a 4 cylinder Continental engine?
On a side note, we are currently in the process of developing a complete
RV-10 package consisting of our forward facing Cold Air Induction, John
Forsling exhaust and a custom cowl to increase performance and cooling
issues. Stay tuned to this development because we're getting close.
We also have been chosen to offer the NEW OEM Lycoming engines available
to the experimental market. These engines are built with ALL NEW
Lycoming parts. The kits are available from 150-300 HP and available
with several accessory packages and performance modifications. If
interested, call or email us.
Allen Barrett
BPE, Inc.
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
(918) 835-1089
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Mr. Barrett, I believe there are a couple of additional questions
lurking (within the build community) as to installed engine weight and
dimensional width within the stock VAN's RV-10 cowl as well, but I am
not sure.
The official position posted was I believe, no wide deck, no angled
valve, no additional power output, no installed weight increase beyond
the IO-540-D4A5... but I may be reading too much into the recommended
limitations.
Can you expand our knowledge?
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA
Subject: RE: RV10-List: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5
--> RV10-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
Tim,
As far as mounting the engine to the mount? No, there is no difference
between the two.
Allen Barrett
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Is there a difference between narrowdeck and widedeck IO-540s?
TDT
40025
Do not archive
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Hey all,
Just leak tested my left tank (right tank is still curing and I'm going
to wait... Thanks Tim) and no leaks so far!! As I clean up my proseal
mess, I have a bunch of -4 rivets that I've cleaned and soaked in MEK
that I didn't use. Are there any issues with throwing them back in with
the others or does the oil I took off (or the MEK itself) pose some sort
of long term storage or usage issue?
Thanks,
John
#40208 finally done w/ the tanks!!
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| Subject: | engine mount & IO-540-C4B5 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
One step farther on your plug. (Please accept my apology in advance to
the RV-10 list as we are now getting to the beef... I have no connection
with BPA yet). Doesn't the forward facing Cold Induction system save
some of those additional 60 additional pounds and then require the
Generation II modified cowl design with John Forsling's tuned exhaust
routing and collector?
And will your new Lycoming offering provide the Thielert style roller
lifters?
Thanks for the specifics.
John Cox - KUAO
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA
Subject: RE: RV10-List: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5
--> RV10-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
Certainly. First and foremost, the angle head 540 as in an "E" model,
weighs roughly 60 lbs. more than a parallel head 540 D4A5. Some of this
is due to the additional weight of the cylinders. An angle head
cylinder, by design, has more cooling fins than a parallel head,
allowing better cooling capability, but is at a weight disadvantage
because of the bigger head. The angle head cylinder weighs about 7.5 lbs
more than the parallel head. This is only 45 lbs, but by the time you
add the additional weight of longer intake tubes, different sump etc, it
gets right on up there. It also is wider than the D4A5, but not more
than about an inch. Another issue is height of the engine. The angle
head engine is almost an inch taller.
WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK
I do not understand the narrow deck, wide deck issue. I will tell you
that it is almost impossible to find a good run out narrow deck core to
overhaul, and you certainly can't buy a new narrow deck engine, because
they don't make them anymore. All engines from Lycoming are now wide
deck engines. The weight issue doesn't come into play because the
difference is negligible. It's probably not more than the difference in
a Kelly Aerospace vs B&C or Skytech starter. There is a difference in
the governor drives between a narrow deck and wide deck.
POWER INCREASES:
I could be WAY off base here, but it is probable the IO-540 D4A5 is the
engine used in the prototype RV-10. All the performance numbers were
gained using this engine and therefore any power increases would be (in
Van's defense) uncharted waters. However, if I were building an aircraft
that I wanted to market to the masses, I would have a very large margin
of safety as far as horsepower is concerned, meaning there would be some
room for improvements. How many people know that the very first Pitts
had a 4 cylinder Continental engine?
On a side note, we are currently in the process of developing a complete
RV-10 package consisting of our forward facing Cold Air Induction, John
Forsling exhaust and a custom cowl to increase performance and cooling
issues. Stay tuned to this development because we're getting close.
We also have been chosen to offer the NEW OEM Lycoming engines available
to the experimental market. These engines are built with ALL NEW
Lycoming parts. The kits are available from 150-300 HP and available
with several accessory packages and performance modifications. If
interested, call or email us.
Allen Barrett
BPE, Inc.
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
(918) 835-1089
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: engine mount & IO-540-C4B5
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Mr. Barrett, I believe there are a couple of additional questions
lurking (within the build community) as to installed engine weight and
dimensional width within the stock VAN's RV-10 cowl as well, but I am
not sure.
The official position posted was I believe, no wide deck, no angled
valve, no additional power output, no installed weight increase beyond
the IO-540-D4A5... but I may be reading too much into the recommended
limitations.
Can you expand our knowledge?
John Cox
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| Subject: | RV10 Kit For Sale |
What is all included in your tools?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Schroeder,
Bob (Parts Clerk)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
Salt lake city, ut. I can be reached at 801-743-3117days or 801-699-1683
nights/ weekends
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
Do Not Archive ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Schawang,
Darrin
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
What is your location?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Schroeder, Bob
(Parts Clerk)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
I have a completed empennage, a barely started wing kit and tools for
sale for $11,000. give me a phone number to call.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Murray
Randall
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Kit For Sale
I am currently interested in hearing from any RV10 builder that needs to
sell the project Murray Randall
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Awhile back there was some talk about the WD-415 trim cable anchor brackets for
the elevator trim cable. Mine are only welded on one side. Does vans or somebody
else supply these welded on both sides of the nut. I'm a decent welder
but don't feel comfortable tacking the other side and using it. Suggestions???
Also, there was some talk about nutplates. The trim tab reinforcement plates call
for K 1100-06's. Are these correct??? The 1100's are countersunk nutplates,
right???
Thanks, and sorry for bringing up old news,
Bill
RV-10 #40137
Elevators in the works, wings arrived 8/11
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DNA: do not archive
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Has anyone come up with a table design for the DRD2 Dimpler? I still have a
lot of dimpling ahead and those big pieces get a little tough to deal with
by myself.
Also, is anyone taking the "big shortcut" with just reaming the holes and
deburring, then dimpling without the initial construction with final
drilling? Any problems?
Thanks,
Sean Blair
N967SB (reserved)
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| Subject: | AMSAFE inertial belts. |
Someone sent me an email that I inadvertently deleted regards the belts, hardpoints
etc. If you can reply directly I can supply PDFs of the ones I chose. I haven't
figured how to load something into a data file on the list.
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DNA: do not archive
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| Subject: | Mode-S Xponder - Stations Shutdown |
Anyone installing a Mode-S Xponder? Tony Sustare alerted me on some 60 stations already shutdown in the East Coast and possibly more to come. Further info at http://www.surecheckaviation.com/ .
Also, I would appreciate any insight that you may have on the TrafficScope VRX
as an alternative. It sells for $795 and works off of other aircraft transponder
pings.
Anh
#141
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| Subject: | Manifold Pressure Fitting - Revisited |
Someone had pulsating manifold pressure on a Dynon I think. There were talks about
using a constricted fitting on the engine vice the stock fitting that comes
in the FWF kit. Anyone know if there was a resolution to this?
Anh
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| Subject: | Re: Mode-S Xponder - Stations Shutdown |
I am using the Micro version in the
Glastar as a heads up device. I do plan to run it from aircraft power. For the
10 I expect to wait for the availability of the XRX? version in November.
http://www.zaonflight.com/
From: DejaVu
To: RV10
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:38 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Mode-S Xponder - Stations Shutdown
Anyone installing a Mode-S Xponder? Tony Sustare alerted me on some 60 stations already shutdown in the East Coast and possibly more to come. Further info at http://www.surecheckaviation.com/ .
Also, I would appreciate any insight that you may have on the TrafficScope VRX
as an alternative. It sells for $795 and works off of other aircraft transponder
pings.
Anh
#141
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