Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:21 AM - Re: AN Bolt Torque questions. (Jim Combs)
2. 06:09 AM - Re: Torque (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
3. 06:37 AM - Re: Build tanks dry???Build tanks dry???Build tanks dry??? (Ed Wischmeyer)
4. 06:54 AM - Re: Build tanks dry???Build tanks dry??? (Ed Wischmeyer)
5. 08:52 AM - Re: Empcone question, rudder cable fairings (Chris Johnston)
6. 10:17 AM - deburring ()
7. 10:34 AM - Re: Empcone question, rudder cable fairings (Deems Davis)
8. 10:40 AM - Re: deburring (John Jessen)
9. 11:45 AM - Re: Torque (Jesse Saint)
10. 01:40 PM - Re: Empcone question, rudder cable fairings (Tim Olson)
11. 02:07 PM - [Fw: Re: Empcone question, rudder cable fairings] (Deems Davis)
12. 02:39 PM - Re: Empcone question, rudder cable fairings (Rick)
13. 03:16 PM - Toulene and MEK (Butone) (Rick)
14. 03:28 PM - Re: Toulene and MEK (Butone) (RAS)
15. 03:35 PM - Re: Toulene and MEK (Butone) (Randy DeBauw)
16. 05:40 PM - RV10 for Sale (Deems Davis)
17. 06:04 PM - Crosswind landing (Brucelas)
18. 06:21 PM - Re: RV10 for Sale (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
19. 06:48 PM - Re: RV10 for Sale (Sean Stephens)
20. 06:48 PM - Re: RV10 for Sale (Rene Felker)
21. 06:57 PM - Re: RV10 for Sale (Tim Olson)
22. 07:02 PM - Re: RV10 for Sale (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
23. 07:02 PM - Re: Toulene and MEK (Butone) (Rick)
24. 07:05 PM - Re: ELT (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
25. 07:16 PM - Why not Windows in the cockpit? (Tim Olson)
26. 07:51 PM - Re: crosswind landing (Chris , Susie McGough)
27. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: ELT (Tim Olson)
28. 09:52 PM - Re: crosswind landing (John Jessen)
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| Subject: | AN Bolt Torque questions. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Say What?
Plastic Protector? Dang it!
Jim C
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From: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
Did you not remove the plastic protector?
Bob K
If not say oh shit and undo it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AN Bolt Torque questions.
The thing that gets my attention is the fact that it is only 20-25 IN-Lbs
24 Inch pounds = only 2 Ft lbs. NOT much torque.
Made me realize how much I was really overtorqueing bolts in other
applications.
One other comment. I purchased the colored inpectors lacquer (aka
TORQUE-SEAL) to mark those bolts that I have put on for the (hopefully) last
time.
Jim Combs
#40192
N312F
Do Not Archive
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Sounds like a good statement as to why, but this is not really the case.
The washers are stamped out of a solid sheet, and one side is rounded
because of the stamp as it penetrates the sheet, much like the shear on
Aluminum causes a rounded top and a lip on the underside that we have to
take off. The tooling on a washer stamper is angled on the female side
to cause the cut. It looks like a large steam roller drum, or more
appropriately like a yard aerator and the sheet is underneath it, and it
rolls down the sheet making washers. It is actually pretty cool to
watch, for about a minute or two...Then it is off to the heat treating
ovens to get the proper hardness ETC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sipp
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Torque
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
Dan,
I recently read here on the list that the flat washer under a nut does
have
something to do with the torque, at least indirectly. If you look
closely
at an AN flat washer one side is sheared off with a sharp edge, the
other is
more finished with a radius. The poster pointed out that the rounded
edge
should go against the nut and was formed that way to control the amount
of
frition surface bearing against the nut and maintain consistent torque
values. Until reading the post and looking at the washers closely I
never
realized there was a top and bottom to a flat washer.
I have not seen other references to this other than the list posting but
it
seems to make sense.
Dick Sipp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Torque
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> Washers have nothing to do with Torque, unless you are talking a crush
> washer and that is for sealing not torque. I FLAT washer is nothing
more
> than a spacer to ensure the nut does not bottom out on the unthreaded
> portion of the bolt. I do agree that torque values are different based
> on the distance around the bolt required to distribute the pressure on
> the threads, but FLAT washers have nothing to do with torque.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:44 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Torque
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> The book says 20-25, we read that as 20-25. No, it doesn't seem like
> much,
> but that's what the book says. If there was some fancy sort of way of
> adding to the torque value based on what the Nyloc does, then it would
> say
> that.
>
> It also doesn't take an A&P to figure out that torquing from the bolt
> side
> is going to be inaccurate. Sometimes, though, you have to do that
> because
> of space requirements. We noticed that a lot of nutplates required
more
> than the specified torque just to get them to tighten all the way in
on
> the
> threads. I think we used about 40 in/lbs on the AN3's into nut
plates,
> or
> something like that, but there are precious few of those. I thinks
the
> torque values have to do with a certain PSI (2500PSI is the number
that
> sticks in my head) that the nut is putting on what it's holding. This
> is
> why the larger nuts require larger torque values, because of the
> different
> thread size and the larger area that the pressure is distributed over.
> It
> also has to do with not overstressing the threads on the nut or bolt.
> Notice that the torque values for thin washers are lower (I think half
> the
> torque) because there are fewer threads holding.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Hasbrouck
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:43 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Torque
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck"
> <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>
> Regarding having a torque wrench calibrated: ask your local IA/AP
where
>
> they take theirs. We have a place here in the Dayton area that does
it.
> My
>
> Sears wrench passed with flying colors! How about the question of
> adding
> "running torque" to the final torque value, that is, the torque it
takes
>
> just to turn the nyloc nut + final torque value. You'll find that a
new
> nut
>
> takes about 10 - 15 inch/pounds just to turn it in some cases. Do you
> add
> that in. One IA said yes the other said no. I agree 20-25
inch/pounds
> ain't much
>
> John Hasbrouck
> #40264
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Build tanks dry???Build tanks dry???Build tanks dry??? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Ed Wischmeyer <edwisch@cableone.net>
Dunno if this has been posted or not, but you can buy ProSeal in a
semi-liquid form so that you don't have to thin it out. Don't remember
the particulars, but I'll see if I can track 'em down.
Ed Wischmeyer
40090
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| Subject: | Re: Build tanks dry???Build tanks dry??? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Ed Wischmeyer <edwisch@cableone.net>
corporate.ppg.com/ppg/refinish/ matthews/documents/74777sp.pdf displays
a Material Safety Data Sheet which includes exposure numbers on
toluene.
I've only audited a single course in industrial hygiene, so don't take
my word as authoritative on any of this, but...
From the MSDS: "These limits are not a relative index of toxicity and
should not be used by anyone without industrial hygiene training."
With that caveat in mind, the permissible exposure level for toluene is
4 times less than for MEK. (The OSHA numbers show a 2:1 ratio, but by
law, the OSHA numbers are frozen using the data known when OSHA was
created umpteen years ago. PELs are the best exposure numbers known at
this time, but...)
So, it is safe to say that both of 'em are damn nasty, so be real
careful.
Also note that just "using a respirator" isn't enough. You need to make
sure you have the correct kind of cartridge -- just like you need the
correct kind of bolt, not just "a" bolt.
Ed "gave up MEK for denatured alcohol as solvent of choice" Wischmeyer
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| Subject: | Empcone question, rudder cable fairings |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
Deems or tim -
Is it a pain to get in there to install the rudder cable farings after
you rivet the tailcone? I noticed in your pics that your tailcone was
mostly buttoned up while you were fitting the farings.
cj
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Empcone question, rudder cable fairings
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Deems,
When you run your cables, they have a 3/8" (I think) plastic tubing
on them that has to pass through that hole just enough so the
cable can't possibly rub. If you can get them through with them
on the inside, that will work fine, but my guess is you'll have
to enlarge that hole. With them on the outside, you have just
enough space to hold that tubing fairly tight.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Deems Davis wrote:
> James attached are some pics of the rudder cable fairings I installed,
I
> got them from Aircraft Spruce, (10$ If I remember correctly). I
> installed them on the inside of the skin, in looking at other pics, I
> see where some have installed them on the outside of the skin. I
believe
> they look better installed on the inside, the only thing I'm not sure
> about is if there is going to be enough room to get the cable fitting
> threaded through to the rudder attachment, I might have to enlarge the
> skin a bit if necessary.
>
> Deems Davis
> #406 tailcone
> http://www.deemsrv10.com
>
> James Hein wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>>
>> Very scary... get all the empcone drilled, then you have to cut your
>> baby... sorta like circumsizing your child, eh?
>>
>> Another question: Has anyone done anything to dress up the hideous
>> looking rudder cable exits? Anyone got photos of it being dressed up?
>>
>> I plan on doing a marathon alumiprep, alodine, priming session this
>> weekend to get the parts ready to rivet next week.
>>
>> -Jim 40384 (Still watching Randy's video once a week... )
>>
>> Randy DeBauw wrote:
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>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>>>
>>> Scary thought isn't it. I though about that one for a couple of days
>>> before the cutting started. Randy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James
Hein
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:55 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Empcone question
>>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>>>
>>> Quick question... on page 10-15, why is it that you cut off the
>>> triangular portion of the side skin? Is it to clear something? I
>>> would think that both sides would be, you know, symmetrical.
>>> There has to be a reason, and since I don't have the main fuselage
>>> plans, I can't tell why they want you to do it.
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>>> -Jim 40384 Tailcone
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--> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
Hi,I'm allready a proud owner of about 50 pounds of aluminum,In the process of
shopping for tools ,some of the builders mention the best deburring tool is a
coghill ,Ican't found in any supplier this tool,any one can explain (it is modism)or
a picture will be perfect.
If the person own one of this can reffer where to aquiere,
Thanks ,Hugo#40456
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| Subject: | Re: Empcone question, rudder cable fairings |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I riveted mine to the side skins, before riveting the side skins to the
bulkheads while I was doing the tail cone before buttoning things up. As
to Tim's heads up about the 3/8" clearance, I checked the fuse plans Sec
38-8 and as he mentioned, I may have to enlarge the skin slightly at
the front (widest part) of the fairing to provide the clearance for the
rubber cable sleeve exit, but I think it will still work and look fine.
Deems Davis
#406 tailcone
http://www.deemsrv10.com
Chris Johnston wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>
>Deems or tim -
>
>Is it a pain to get in there to install the rudder cable farings after
>you rivet the tailcone? I noticed in your pics that your tailcone was
>mostly buttoned up while you were fitting the farings.
>
>cj
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:50 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Empcone question, rudder cable fairings
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>Deems,
>
>When you run your cables, they have a 3/8" (I think) plastic tubing
>on them that has to pass through that hole just enough so the
>cable can't possibly rub. If you can get them through with them
>on the inside, that will work fine, but my guess is you'll have
>to enlarge that hole. With them on the outside, you have just
>enough space to hold that tubing fairly tight.
>
>Tim
>
>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>Deems Davis wrote:
>
>
>>James attached are some pics of the rudder cable fairings I installed,
>>
>>
>I
>
>
>>got them from Aircraft Spruce, (10$ If I remember correctly). I
>>installed them on the inside of the skin, in looking at other pics, I
>>see where some have installed them on the outside of the skin. I
>>
>>
>believe
>
>
>>they look better installed on the inside, the only thing I'm not sure
>>about is if there is going to be enough room to get the cable fitting
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>threaded through to the rudder attachment, I might have to enlarge the
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>skin a bit if necessary.
>>
>>Deems Davis
>>#406 tailcone
>>http://www.deemsrv10.com
>>
>>James Hein wrote:
>>
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>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>>>
>>>Very scary... get all the empcone drilled, then you have to cut your
>>>
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>>>baby... sorta like circumsizing your child, eh?
>>>
>>>Another question: Has anyone done anything to dress up the hideous
>>>looking rudder cable exits? Anyone got photos of it being dressed up?
>>>
>>>I plan on doing a marathon alumiprep, alodine, priming session this
>>>weekend to get the parts ready to rivet next week.
>>>
>>>-Jim 40384 (Still watching Randy's video once a week... )
>>>
>>>Randy DeBauw wrote:
>>>
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>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>>>>
>>>>Scary thought isn't it. I though about that one for a couple of days
>>>>before the cutting started. Randy
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James
>>>>
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>Hein
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>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:55 PM
>>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>Subject: RV10-List: Empcone question
>>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>>>>
>>>>Quick question... on page 10-15, why is it that you cut off the
>>>>triangular portion of the side skin? Is it to clear something? I
>>>>would think that both sides would be, you know, symmetrical.
>>>>There has to be a reason, and since I don't have the main fuselage
>>>>plans, I can't tell why they want you to do it.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
You'll get everyone replying to this.
http://www.cogsdill.com/pdf%20files/usdeb_burraway.pdf
Great product. Get the #30 and #40, but make sure you specify that it's for
aluminum!
John Jessen
- starting the HS...finally
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gommone7@bellsouth.net
Subject: RV10-List: deburring
--> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
Hi,I'm allready a proud owner of about 50 pounds of aluminum,In the process
of shopping for tools ,some of the builders mention the best deburring tool
is a coghill ,Ican't found in any supplier this tool,any one can explain (it
is modism)or a picture will be perfect.
If the person own one of this can reffer where to aquiere, Thanks
,Hugo#40456
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I meant to say thin nut, not thin washer. Yes, washers have nothing to do
with torque except possibly that they allow the nut to torque down with less
rotating friction.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Torque
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Washers have nothing to do with Torque, unless you are talking a crush
washer and that is for sealing not torque. I FLAT washer is nothing more
than a spacer to ensure the nut does not bottom out on the unthreaded
portion of the bolt. I do agree that torque values are different based
on the distance around the bolt required to distribute the pressure on
the threads, but FLAT washers have nothing to do with torque.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Torque
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
The book says 20-25, we read that as 20-25. No, it doesn't seem like
much,
but that's what the book says. If there was some fancy sort of way of
adding to the torque value based on what the Nyloc does, then it would
say
that.
It also doesn't take an A&P to figure out that torquing from the bolt
side
is going to be inaccurate. Sometimes, though, you have to do that
because
of space requirements. We noticed that a lot of nutplates required more
than the specified torque just to get them to tighten all the way in on
the
threads. I think we used about 40 in/lbs on the AN3's into nut plates,
or
something like that, but there are precious few of those. I thinks the
torque values have to do with a certain PSI (2500PSI is the number that
sticks in my head) that the nut is putting on what it's holding. This
is
why the larger nuts require larger torque values, because of the
different
thread size and the larger area that the pressure is distributed over.
It
also has to do with not overstressing the threads on the nut or bolt.
Notice that the torque values for thin washers are lower (I think half
the
torque) because there are fewer threads holding.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Hasbrouck
Subject: RV10-List: Torque
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck"
<jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Regarding having a torque wrench calibrated: ask your local IA/AP where
they take theirs. We have a place here in the Dayton area that does it.
My
Sears wrench passed with flying colors! How about the question of
adding
"running torque" to the final torque value, that is, the torque it takes
just to turn the nyloc nut + final torque value. You'll find that a new
nut
takes about 10 - 15 inch/pounds just to turn it in some cases. Do you
add
that in. One IA said yes the other said no. I agree 20-25 inch/pounds
ain't much
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Re: Empcone question, rudder cable fairings |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
It really wasn't too bad at all to rivet them after the tailcone was
done. The only thing that I can see that might be better would
be backriveting before assembly, but there's not much to it after
it's done. The hardest thing is keeping the mushroom set on that
flange of the fairing.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Doors/Windows
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Chris Johnston wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>
> Deems or tim -
>
> Is it a pain to get in there to install the rudder cable farings after
> you rivet the tailcone? I noticed in your pics that your tailcone was
> mostly buttoned up while you were fitting the farings.
>
> cj
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Empcone question, rudder cable fairings
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Deems,
>
> When you run your cables, they have a 3/8" (I think) plastic tubing
> on them that has to pass through that hole just enough so the
> cable can't possibly rub. If you can get them through with them
> on the inside, that will work fine, but my guess is you'll have
> to enlarge that hole. With them on the outside, you have just
> enough space to hold that tubing fairly tight.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Deems Davis wrote:
>
>>James attached are some pics of the rudder cable fairings I installed,
>
> I
>
>>got them from Aircraft Spruce, (10$ If I remember correctly). I
>>installed them on the inside of the skin, in looking at other pics, I
>>see where some have installed them on the outside of the skin. I
>
> believe
>
>>they look better installed on the inside, the only thing I'm not sure
>>about is if there is going to be enough room to get the cable fitting
>
>
>>threaded through to the rudder attachment, I might have to enlarge the
>
>
>>skin a bit if necessary.
>>
>>Deems Davis
>>#406 tailcone
>>http://www.deemsrv10.com
>>
>>James Hein wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>>>
>>>Very scary... get all the empcone drilled, then you have to cut your
>
>
>>>baby... sorta like circumsizing your child, eh?
>>>
>>>Another question: Has anyone done anything to dress up the hideous
>>>looking rudder cable exits? Anyone got photos of it being dressed up?
>>>
>>>I plan on doing a marathon alumiprep, alodine, priming session this
>>>weekend to get the parts ready to rivet next week.
>>>
>>>-Jim 40384 (Still watching Randy's video once a week... )
>>>
>>>Randy DeBauw wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>>>>
>>>>Scary thought isn't it. I though about that one for a couple of days
>>>>before the cutting started. Randy
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James
>
> Hein
>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:55 PM
>>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>Subject: RV10-List: Empcone question
>>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>>>>
>>>>Quick question... on page 10-15, why is it that you cut off the
>>>>triangular portion of the side skin? Is it to clear something? I
>>>>would think that both sides would be, you know, symmetrical.
>>>>There has to be a reason, and since I don't have the main fuselage
>>>>plans, I can't tell why they want you to do it.
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>>>>-Jim 40384 Tailcone
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| Subject: | Re: Empcone question, rudder cable fairings] |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
looks like this reply didn't go through initially.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Empcone question, rudder cable fairings
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I riveted mine to the side skins, before riveting the side skins to the
bulkheads while I was doing the tail cone before buttoning things up. As
to Tim's heads up about the 3/8" clearance, I checked the fuse plans Sec
38-8 and as he mentioned, I may have to enlarge the skin slightly at
the front (widest part) of the fairing to provide the clearance for the
rubber cable sleeve exit, but I think it will still work and look fine.
Deems Davis
#406 tailcone
http://www.deemsrv10.com
Chris Johnston wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
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>Deems or tim -
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>Is it a pain to get in there to install the rudder cable farings after
>you rivet the tailcone? I noticed in your pics that your tailcone was
>mostly buttoned up while you were fitting the farings.
>
>cj
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:50 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Empcone question, rudder cable fairings
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>Deems,
>
>When you run your cables, they have a 3/8" (I think) plastic tubing
>on them that has to pass through that hole just enough so the
>cable can't possibly rub. If you can get them through with them
>on the inside, that will work fine, but my guess is you'll have
>to enlarge that hole. With them on the outside, you have just
>enough space to hold that tubing fairly tight.
>
>Tim
>
>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>Deems Davis wrote:
>
>
>>James attached are some pics of the rudder cable fairings I installed,
>>
>>
>I
>
>
>>got them from Aircraft Spruce, (10$ If I remember correctly). I
>>installed them on the inside of the skin, in looking at other pics, I
>>see where some have installed them on the outside of the skin. I
>>
>>
>believe
>
>
>>they look better installed on the inside, the only thing I'm not sure
>>about is if there is going to be enough room to get the cable fitting
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>threaded through to the rudder attachment, I might have to enlarge the
>>
>>
>
>
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>>skin a bit if necessary.
>>
>>Deems Davis
>>#406 tailcone
>>http://www.deemsrv10.com
>>
>>James Hein wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>>>
>>>Very scary... get all the empcone drilled, then you have to cut your
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>baby... sorta like circumsizing your child, eh?
>>>
>>>Another question: Has anyone done anything to dress up the hideous
>>>looking rudder cable exits? Anyone got photos of it being dressed up?
>>>
>>>I plan on doing a marathon alumiprep, alodine, priming session this
>>>weekend to get the parts ready to rivet next week.
>>>
>>>-Jim 40384 (Still watching Randy's video once a week... )
>>>
>>>Randy DeBauw wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>>>>
>>>>Scary thought isn't it. I though about that one for a couple of days
>>>>before the cutting started. Randy
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James
>>>>
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>Hein
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>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:55 PM
>>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>Subject: RV10-List: Empcone question
>>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>>>>
>>>>Quick question... on page 10-15, why is it that you cut off the
>>>>triangular portion of the side skin? Is it to clear something? I
>>>>would think that both sides would be, you know, symmetrical.
>>>>There has to be a reason, and since I don't have the main fuselage
>>>>plans, I can't tell why they want you to do it.
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>>>>-Jim 40384 Tailcone
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| Subject: | Empcone question, rudder cable fairings |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
I is VERY easy before you put the sides onto the bottom, a bear if you wait until
after the cone is complete with the HS deck in place. I highly recommend putting
them on before getting too far along with the tailcone final assembly.
Rick S.
40185
Fuse
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| Subject: | Toulene and MEK (Butone) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
I checked with an Industrial Hygenist today and here is the skinny. Hazardous exposure
is 200 parts per million,
(don't confuse this with PEL, and don't flame me, this was from a bonafide OSHA
I.H. telling me this while I attend a course at the OSHA Institute I'm not an
IH, I am Compliance Safety Officer)
which is low over some chemicals but easy to achieve due to the high rate in which
the liquid turns to vapor, MEK is slower turning to vapor than Toulene. Both
require respiratory protection with an organic filter. Here is the big thing,
outside your pretty safe even without a respirator, inside....you need the
respirator and due to the low explosive limit you might not want to use this stuff
in your garage if it has any ignition sources i.e. water heater. The concentration
level for ignition has to be pretty high for an arc, i.e. switch to
set it off. Due to the rapid dispersment rate for the vapors opening the garage
door will suffice, fnas drawing in outside air will eliminate the problem as
well. Transdermal poisoning is still an issue so gloves are mandatory in any
event. Safety "goggles" not glasses are the eye protection of choice to prevent
splashing injury. I have all the "geek" numbers, I had her paraphrase the info
for me so we could all relate, lol.....first thing she wanted to do even before
giving me info was to monitor the air for concentration levels.....I'm glad
I do safety instead of I.H., nothing worse than monitoring an air sampling
pump for four hours. So, don't breath it, don't ignite it, don't touch it, don't
get it in your eyes and finally if at all possible, use these two chemicals
in a well ventilated enviroment.
Rick S.
40185
Fuse
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| Subject: | Re: Toulene and MEK (Butone) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RAS" <deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com>
Hi rick,
at this rate you ruin the perks of the job, you're getting high for free and
it's not even illegal!!:-)
m
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Toulene and MEK (Butone)
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
> I checked with an Industrial Hygenist today and here is the skinny.
> Hazardous exposure is 200 parts per million,
>
> (don't confuse this with PEL, and don't flame me, this was from a bonafide
> OSHA I.H. telling me this while I attend a course at the OSHA Institute
> I'm not an IH, I am Compliance Safety Officer)
>
> which is low over some chemicals but easy to achieve due to the high rate
> in which the liquid turns to vapor, MEK is slower turning to vapor than
> Toulene. Both require respiratory protection with an organic filter. Here
> is the big thing, outside your pretty safe even without a respirator,
> inside....you need the respirator and due to the low explosive limit you
> might not want to use this stuff in your garage if it has any ignition
> sources i.e. water heater. The concentration level for ignition has to be
> pretty high for an arc, i.e. switch to set it off. Due to the rapid
> dispersment rate for the vapors opening the garage door will suffice, fnas
> drawing in outside air will eliminate the problem as well. Transdermal
> poisoning is still an issue so gloves are mandatory in any event. Safety
> "goggles" not glasses are the eye protection of choice to prevent
> splashing injury. I have all the "geek" numbers, I had her paraphrase the
> info for me so we could all relate, lol.....first thin!
> g she wanted to do even before giving me info was to monitor the air for
> concentration levels.....I'm glad I do safety instead of I.H., nothing
> worse than monitoring an air sampling pump for four hours. So, don't
> breath it, don't ignite it, don't touch it, don't get it in your eyes and
> finally if at all possible, use these two chemicals in a well ventilated
> enviroment.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> Fuse
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Toulene and MEK (Butone) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Great info Rick. Thanks for taking the time to fill us in. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: RV10-List: Toulene and MEK (Butone)
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
I checked with an Industrial Hygenist today and here is the skinny.
Hazardous exposure is 200 parts per million,
(don't confuse this with PEL, and don't flame me, this was from a
bonafide OSHA I.H. telling me this while I attend a course at the OSHA
Institute I'm not an IH, I am Compliance Safety Officer)
which is low over some chemicals but easy to achieve due to the high
rate in which the liquid turns to vapor, MEK is slower turning to vapor
than Toulene. Both require respiratory protection with an organic
filter. Here is the big thing, outside your pretty safe even without a
respirator, inside....you need the respirator and due to the low
explosive limit you might not want to use this stuff in your garage if
it has any ignition sources i.e. water heater. The concentration level
for ignition has to be pretty high for an arc, i.e. switch to set it
off. Due to the rapid dispersment rate for the vapors opening the garage
door will suffice, fnas drawing in outside air will eliminate the
problem as well. Transdermal poisoning is still an issue so gloves are
mandatory in any event. Safety "goggles" not glasses are the eye
protection of choice to prevent splashing injury. I have all the "geek"
numbers, I had her paraphrase the info for me so we could all relate,
lol.....first thin!
g she wanted to do even before giving me info was to monitor the air
for concentration levels.....I'm glad I do safety instead of I.H.,
nothing worse than monitoring an air sampling pump for four hours. So,
don't breath it, don't ignite it, don't touch it, don't get it in your
eyes and finally if at all possible, use these two chemicals in a well
ventilated enviroment.
Rick S.
40185
Fuse
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
fyi RV10 forsale "nearing completion" $215K.
http://www.aircraftx.com/viewListings/detail.php?categ_id=2&list_id=33
Deems Davis
#406 tailcone
http://www.deemsrv10.com
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| Subject: | Crosswind landing |
Nice crosswind landing.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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$215 without panel !?!?
TDT
40025
Do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Deems Davis
Subject: RV10-List: RV10 for Sale
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
fyi RV10 forsale "nearing completion" $215K.
http://www.aircraftx.com/viewListings/detail.php?categ_id2&list_id33
Deems Davis
#406 tailcone
http://www.deemsrv10.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 for Sale |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Ya, for a minute there I thought they had a FlightMax Entegra system in
there! :)
-Sean #40303
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> $215 without panel !?!?
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
> Do not archive
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Deems Davis
> Sent: Wed 8/24/2005 8:41 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV10 for Sale
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> fyi RV10 forsale "nearing completion" $215K.
>
> http://www.aircraftx.com/viewListings/detail.php?categ_id=2&list_id=33
>
> Deems Davis
> #406 tailcone
> http://www.deemsrv10.com
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
I am motivated now....$215 without panel. I think I will have to put mine
up for sale when I "near completion". Or then again, maybe I will just fly
it myself.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
T. Rene' Felker
40322
N423CF
Wings/Fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Dawson-Townsend [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 for Sale
$215 without panel !?!?
TDT
40025
Do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Deems Davis
Subject: RV10-List: RV10 for Sale
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
fyi RV10 forsale "nearing completion" $215K.
http://www.aircraftx.com/viewListings/detail.php?categ_id=2&list_id=33
Deems Davis
#406 tailcone
http://www.deemsrv10.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 for Sale |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hmmmm.... Could be good, if you ever need to sell your -10.
Could be bad, if you bought one and wanted to insure it at
your purchased hull value...
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> $215 without panel !?!?
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
> Do not archive
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Deems Davis
> Sent: Wed 8/24/2005 8:41 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV10 for Sale
>
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> fyi RV10 forsale "nearing completion" $215K.
>
> http://www.aircraftx.com/viewListings/detail.php?categ_id=2&list_id=33
>
> Deems Davis
> #406 tailcone
> http://www.deemsrv10.com
>
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No, then it would be more! : )
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Sean Stephens
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 for Sale
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Ya, for a minute there I thought they had a FlightMax Entegra system in
there! :)
-Sean #40303
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> $215 without panel !?!?
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
Do not archive
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Deems Davis
> Sent: Wed 8/24/2005 8:41 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV10 for Sale
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> fyi RV10 forsale "nearing completion" $215K.
>
> http://www.aircraftx.com/viewListings/detail.php?categ_id2&list_id33
>
> Deems Davis
> #406 tailcone
> http://www.deemsrv10.com
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| Subject: | Re: Toulene and MEK (Butone) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Lol....I'll take my usual Crown Royal over MEK any day.
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Hey fellas:
I wanted to pre-run some wire up to the front for ELT control panel, but I haven't
got an ELT yet. Do they just use regular 6-wire telephone wire for most of
those, as it seems in the pictures I've seen?
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 for Sale
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hmmmm.... Could be good, if you ever need to sell your -10.
Could be bad, if you bought one and wanted to insure it at
your purchased hull value...
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> $215 without panel !?!?
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
> Do not archive
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Deems Davis
> Sent: Wed 8/24/2005 8:41 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV10 for Sale
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> fyi RV10 forsale "nearing completion" $215K.
>
> http://www.aircraftx.com/viewListings/detail.php?categ_id2&list_id33
>
> Deems Davis
> #406 tailcone
> http://www.deemsrv10.com
>
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| Subject: | Why not Windows in the cockpit? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sorry that this isn't totally -10 related, but...
Remember the old thread about using Windows PC's in the cockpit?
Here's why it may not be the best idea. You'll get a laugh
out of this:
http://www.micom.net/oops/WindowsPanel.jpg
There's a whole bunch more to dig through at:
http://www.micom.net/oops/
Tim
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Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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| Subject: | Re: crosswind landing |
Elevator fit problem
Guys just wondering if we could have a link only to this stuff as some of us
are on dialup....30min to download and then just deleted.At least then we could
have a choice of downloading.
Maybe i am on the wrong list
please no offence just frustrated again...wish we could get broadband
regards all chris
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
From what I've heard, it may be the same cable, but it's not just a
straight thru cable...it's crossed at one end. Not that it would
matter for running the wire, but just be aware before you terminate
it. I'm not sure if it's the same wire and jacket though.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> Hey fellas:
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> I wanted to pre-run some wire up to the front for ELT control panel, but I haven't
got an ELT yet. Do they just use regular 6-wire telephone wire for most
of those, as it seems in the pictures I've seen?
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> TDT
> 40025
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wed 8/24/2005 9:56 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 for Sale
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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> Hmmmm.... Could be good, if you ever need to sell your -10.
> Could be bad, if you bought one and wanted to insure it at
> your purchased hull value...
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> Tim
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> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
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>>$215 without panel !?!?
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>>TDT
>>40025
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>>Do not archive
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>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Deems Davis
>>Sent: Wed 8/24/2005 8:41 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV10-List: RV10 for Sale
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
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>>fyi RV10 forsale "nearing completion" $215K.
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>>http://www.aircraftx.com/viewListings/detail.php?categ_id=2&list_id=33
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>>Deems Davis
>>#406 tailcone
>>http://www.deemsrv10.com
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| Subject: | crosswind landing |
Speaking of which, I found out that if you load the big still digital shots,
like the ones I sent to the list and Chris got caught trying to download 3
gazillion pixels of the stuff, anyway, load them into Paint and use the
stretch/shrink command to reduce them by 35% both horizontal and vertical,
and viola, you shrink the size down to 1/3 the original. Don't lose that
much of the detail at all. Works great.
John Jessen
-- too many margaritas to continue the HS tonight............!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie
McGough
Subject: Re: RV10-List: crosswind landing
Guys just wondering if we could have a link only to this stuff as some of us
are on dialup....30min to download and then just deleted.At least then we
could have a choice of downloading.
Maybe i am on the wrong list
please no offence just frustrated again...wish we could get broadband
regards all chris
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