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1. 01:37 PM - Re: RV-List: From Aero News Net- 51% rule (JOHN STARN)
2. 02:48 PM - Tank Ribs? (Sean Stephens)
3. 02:51 PM - Re: Tank Ribs? (Randy DeBauw)
4. 02:59 PM - Re: Tank Ribs? (Sean Stephens)
5. 03:09 PM - Re: Tank Ribs? (PJ Seipel)
6. 03:09 PM - Re: Tank Ribs? (Rick)
7. 03:24 PM - Re: Tank Ribs? (Sean Stephens)
8. 04:14 PM - Re: LED nav lts (Tim Olson)
9. 05:39 PM - Re: LED nav lts (Rick)
10. 05:55 PM - Re: LED nav lts (Rick)
11. 06:02 PM - Re: Tank Ribs and proseal (Mani Ravee)
12. 06:30 PM - Re: Tank Ribs and proseal (Rene)
13. 06:43 PM - Re: Tank Ribs and proseal (Sean Stephens)
14. 06:53 PM - Re: Tank Ribs and proseal (Rick)
15. 07:50 PM - Re: Tank Ribs? (rsipp@earthlink.net)
16. 08:20 PM - Re: LED nav lts (NYTerminat@aol.com)
17. 08:35 PM - Re: LED nav lts (Rick)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: From Aero News Net- 51% rule |
"rv10-list" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
--> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
I think Chuck has his tongue stuck so far in his cheek that it wraps around
his eye teeth and he can't see what he's saying. 8*)
My most painful experiences were the hundreds of tiny cuts you didn't know
you had until you washed your hands, blood blisters from cleco clamps etc.
and the holes drilled into fingertips. KABONG HRII Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: From Aero News Net- 51% rule
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
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> Hey, I'm sure the Dentist, owner of the EPIC, wrote lots of high dollar
> checks. Everyone knows that's 50% of the painful experience of building
> an experimental aircraft. Given another 1% credit for picking out the
> interior colors, that's 51% right there--no problem. FAA opinion may
> vary.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Anyone else have the T-1004 tank ribs not fit inside the T-1001 tank
skins? I can get the top side cleco'd in, but then the bottom side does
not push down (forward) enough to line up the holes. It's almost like
the radius of the tank skin leading edge is not the same as the ribs.
First time I've had a part not fit up till now.
-Sean #40303 (attempting tanks)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
PUSH MAN PUSH. It will go as long as the holes are in the same place on
all of the ribs. Randy
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: RV10-List: Tank Ribs?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Anyone else have the T-1004 tank ribs not fit inside the T-1001 tank
skins? I can get the top side cleco'd in, but then the bottom side does
not push down (forward) enough to line up the holes. It's almost like
the radius of the tank skin leading edge is not the same as the ribs.
First time I've had a part not fit up till now.
-Sean #40303 (attempting tanks)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Tried that, but you can only push so hard on the bottom side of those
ribs because there's a hole cut out for the vent tube. The rib will
just bend at that point before the holes get lined up.
-Sean
Randy DeBauw wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
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> PUSH MAN PUSH. It will go as long as the holes are in the same place on
> all of the ribs. Randy
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:48 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Tank Ribs?
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
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> Anyone else have the T-1004 tank ribs not fit inside the T-1001 tank
> skins? I can get the top side cleco'd in, but then the bottom side does
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> the radius of the tank skin leading edge is not the same as the ribs.
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> First time I've had a part not fit up till now.
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> -Sean #40303 (attempting tanks)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
If you're trying to do it in the jig, take it out until it's cleco'd.
Start clecoing at the nose. Do about 3 rivets both top and bottom on
all of the ribs. Then go back and do the rest of the holes moving
toward the baffle. It'll go much easier.
PJ #40032
Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
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> Anyone else have the T-1004 tank ribs not fit inside the T-1001 tank
> skins? I can get the top side cleco'd in, but then the bottom side
> does not push down (forward) enough to line up the holes. It's almost
> like the radius of the tank skin leading edge is not the same as the
> ribs.
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> First time I've had a part not fit up till now.
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> -Sean #40303 (attempting tanks)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Sean,
I had to put a few pretty heavy flutes in the rib flanges towards the nose of the
rib. Take a straight edge and check the alignment of the holes, I had to flute
mine pretty deep to get them to line up. Once I did that they fit in with
just enough pressure to get them to stay in place with out deforming the skins.
Don't forget a bit of extra proseal on the flutes.
Rick S.
40185
Fuse
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Ok, that helped. Also, What was the problem is that the tabs at the
very nose of the ribs (one's with no holes) were not bent at the right
point. Meaning they stuck up higher than the other flanges. So, I
re-bent them. This was keeping me from getting them pushed all the way
down (forward) in the leading edge.
Thanks all...
-Sean
PJ Seipel wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
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> If you're trying to do it in the jig, take it out until it's cleco'd.
> Start clecoing at the nose. Do about 3 rivets both top and bottom on
> all of the ribs. Then go back and do the rest of the holes moving
> toward the baffle. It'll go much easier.
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> PJ #40032
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> Sean Stephens wrote:
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
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>> Anyone else have the T-1004 tank ribs not fit inside the T-1001 tank
>> skins? I can get the top side cleco'd in, but then the bottom side
>> does not push down (forward) enough to line up the holes. It's
>> almost like the radius of the tank skin leading edge is not the same
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>> First time I've had a part not fit up till now.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Noel,
Green/Blue/Black .... 56 ohms
Tim
Noel & Yoshie Simmons wrote:
> Any one have a set of the led nav lts? I need to know the resistor
> rating. Lost mine (ouch). Colors one the resistor will work just fine.
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> Thank you
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> 406-538-6574
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
actually, black- blue- green- none
Remember...
bad-boys-rape-our-young-girls- but-veronica-goes-willing, get- some- now.
black-brown-red-orange-yellow-green-blue-grey-white, gold -silver-none
or just go here: http://www.csgnetwork.com/resistcolcalc.html
Rick S.
40185
Fuse
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
duh...yeah like you said Tim-green blue black
long day
Rick S.
40185
Fuse
do not archive
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| Subject: | Tank Ribs and proseal |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
How did you guys apply the proseal? Did you have to use a sealant gun? Like
Semco? Would like to hear opinions and experiences.
Mani Ravee, MD
Indianapolis, KUMP
#40339. N528AR
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tank Ribs?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Sean,
I had to put a few pretty heavy flutes in the rib flanges towards the nose
of the rib. Take a straight edge and check the alignment of the holes, I had
to flute mine pretty deep to get them to line up. Once I did that they fit
in with just enough pressure to get them to stay in place with out deforming
the skins. Don't forget a bit of extra proseal on the flutes.
Rick S.
40185
Fuse
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| Subject: | Tank Ribs and proseal |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
I used a wooden stick for the ribs and a plastic bag with the corner cut off
for the rear baffle. Just used the bag like I was a cake decorator.
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mani Ravee
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tank Ribs and proseal
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
How did you guys apply the proseal? Did you have to use a sealant gun? Like
Semco? Would like to hear opinions and experiences.
Mani Ravee, MD
Indianapolis, KUMP
#40339. N528AR
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tank Ribs?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Sean,
I had to put a few pretty heavy flutes in the rib flanges towards the nose
of the rib. Take a straight edge and check the alignment of the holes, I had
to flute mine pretty deep to get them to line up. Once I did that they fit
in with just enough pressure to get them to stay in place with out deforming
the skins. Don't forget a bit of extra proseal on the flutes.
Rick S.
40185
Fuse
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| Subject: | Re: Tank Ribs and proseal |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
I ordered the follow parts from Aircraft Spruce for my Semco Sealant Gun
(best thing since sliced bread).
09-00758 PLUNGER FOR PRO SEAL CARTRIDGE $.67
09-00759 PRO SEAL CARTRIDGE ONLY 2-1/2 $.66
09-00760 PRO SEAL CARTRIDGE ONLY 6 OZ $.58
EA4180 NOZZLE FOR PRO-SEAL KITS $1.20
The small cartridges will allow me to mix up small batches, place in
cartridge, seal away. After the ribs, etc. are on, I'll be able to do a
nice bead on the edges and rivets and smear in place.
-Sean #40303
Rene wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
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> I used a wooden stick for the ribs and a plastic bag with the corner cut off
> for the rear baffle. Just used the bag like I was a cake decorator.
>
> Rene'
> 801-721-6080
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mani Ravee
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:04 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tank Ribs and proseal
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
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> How did you guys apply the proseal? Did you have to use a sealant gun? Like
> Semco? Would like to hear opinions and experiences.
>
> Mani Ravee, MD
> Indianapolis, KUMP
> #40339. N528AR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:09 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tank Ribs?
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
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> Sean,
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> I had to put a few pretty heavy flutes in the rib flanges towards the nose
> of the rib. Take a straight edge and check the alignment of the holes, I had
> to flute mine pretty deep to get them to line up. Once I did that they fit
> in with just enough pressure to get them to stay in place with out deforming
> the skins. Don't forget a bit of extra proseal on the flutes.
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> Rick S.
> 40185
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| Subject: | Tank Ribs and proseal |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Mani,
I used a combination. I did a few steps each night like fitting the parts to the
end ribs, fuel filler etc. I then did two or three ribs a night until I got
to the rear baffle. I used 6 tubes of sealant using the semco gun....this is a
sweet tool and very clean to use but not a cost effective way to do things in
small steps.
I used the tubes to apply the sealant for the stiffeners and rear baffle as well
to go over the internal tank joints after all the ribs had been installed and
just prior to sealing and riveting the rear baffle.
I used the Van's can for everything else. I mixed one to two oz's at a time using
a postal scale and paper mixing bowls. Get big popsicle sticks and little
ones at Micheals craft stores. Make sure you order the "B-2" tubes of sealant,
it has a 2 hour work time but in reality it was more like 45 minutes. For mixing
the tubes I used ATS mixing adapter on a 1/2" drill....worked great to mix
up the tubes.
I figure I came out the same as most builders using 1-1/2 cans. I only bought one
can and six tubes and had enough to do my aileron and flap trailing edges with
about three oz's left over. If money was no object I would do tubes 100 percent
but like I said, the amount I was using per session was only two oz's, leaving
4 oz's to go to waste in the tubes had I used them for everything. The
semco gun is really trick and very easy to control the flow and is CLEAN to work
with. Depends on what you want to shell out for sealing the tanks.
Rick S.
40185
Fuse
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--> RV10-List message posted by: rsipp@earthlink.net
I had similar problems Sean, I think I just kept trying different sequences and
like Randy said it takes some pressure to make the skin follow the curve. Came
out fine in the end.
Dick Sipp
40065
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Tank Ribs?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Anyone else have the T-1004 tank ribs not fit inside the T-1001 tank
skins? I can get the top side cleco'd in, but then the bottom side does
not push down (forward) enough to line up the holes. It's almost like
the radius of the tank skin leading edge is not the same as the ribs.
First time I've had a part not fit up till now.
-Sean #40303 (attempting tanks)
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I remenber that Bad boys rape our young girls but vilot gives willingly
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