---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/26/05: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:37 PM - Re: RV-List: From Aero News Net- 51% rule (JOHN STARN) 2. 02:48 PM - Tank Ribs? (Sean Stephens) 3. 02:51 PM - Re: Tank Ribs? (Randy DeBauw) 4. 02:59 PM - Re: Tank Ribs? (Sean Stephens) 5. 03:09 PM - Re: Tank Ribs? (PJ Seipel) 6. 03:09 PM - Re: Tank Ribs? (Rick) 7. 03:24 PM - Re: Tank Ribs? (Sean Stephens) 8. 04:14 PM - Re: LED nav lts (Tim Olson) 9. 05:39 PM - Re: LED nav lts (Rick) 10. 05:55 PM - Re: LED nav lts (Rick) 11. 06:02 PM - Re: Tank Ribs and proseal (Mani Ravee) 12. 06:30 PM - Re: Tank Ribs and proseal (Rene) 13. 06:43 PM - Re: Tank Ribs and proseal (Sean Stephens) 14. 06:53 PM - Re: Tank Ribs and proseal (Rick) 15. 07:50 PM - Re: Tank Ribs? (rsipp@earthlink.net) 16. 08:20 PM - Re: LED nav lts (NYTerminat@aol.com) 17. 08:35 PM - Re: LED nav lts (Rick) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:52 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-List: From Aero News Net- 51% rule "rv10-list" --> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" I think Chuck has his tongue stuck so far in his cheek that it wraps around his eye teeth and he can't see what he's saying. 8*) My most painful experiences were the hundreds of tiny cuts you didn't know you had until you washed your hands, blood blisters from cleco clamps etc. and the holes drilled into fingertips. KABONG HRII Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Jensen" Subject: RE: RV-List: From Aero News Net- 51% rule > --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" > > Hey, I'm sure the Dentist, owner of the EPIC, wrote lots of high dollar > checks. Everyone knows that's 50% of the painful experience of building > an experimental aircraft. Given another 1% credit for picking out the > interior colors, that's 51% right there--no problem. FAA opinion may > vary. > > Chuck > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:36 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: RV10-List: Tank Ribs? --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens Anyone else have the T-1004 tank ribs not fit inside the T-1001 tank skins? I can get the top side cleco'd in, but then the bottom side does not push down (forward) enough to line up the holes. It's almost like the radius of the tank skin leading edge is not the same as the ribs. First time I've had a part not fit up till now. -Sean #40303 (attempting tanks) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:16 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tank Ribs? From: "Randy DeBauw" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" PUSH MAN PUSH. It will go as long as the holes are in the same place on all of the ribs. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens Subject: RV10-List: Tank Ribs? --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens Anyone else have the T-1004 tank ribs not fit inside the T-1001 tank skins? I can get the top side cleco'd in, but then the bottom side does not push down (forward) enough to line up the holes. It's almost like the radius of the tank skin leading edge is not the same as the ribs. First time I've had a part not fit up till now. -Sean #40303 (attempting tanks) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:13 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tank Ribs? --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens Tried that, but you can only push so hard on the bottom side of those ribs because there's a hole cut out for the vent tube. The rib will just bend at that point before the holes get lined up. -Sean Randy DeBauw wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" > > PUSH MAN PUSH. It will go as long as the holes are in the same place on > all of the ribs. Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:48 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Tank Ribs? > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens > > Anyone else have the T-1004 tank ribs not fit inside the T-1001 tank > skins? I can get the top side cleco'd in, but then the bottom side does > > not push down (forward) enough to line up the holes. It's almost like > the radius of the tank skin leading edge is not the same as the ribs. > > First time I've had a part not fit up till now. > > -Sean #40303 (attempting tanks) > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:26 PM PST US From: PJ Seipel Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tank Ribs? --> RV10-List message posted by: PJ Seipel If you're trying to do it in the jig, take it out until it's cleco'd. Start clecoing at the nose. Do about 3 rivets both top and bottom on all of the ribs. Then go back and do the rest of the holes moving toward the baffle. It'll go much easier. PJ #40032 Sean Stephens wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens > > Anyone else have the T-1004 tank ribs not fit inside the T-1001 tank > skins? I can get the top side cleco'd in, but then the bottom side > does not push down (forward) enough to line up the holes. It's almost > like the radius of the tank skin leading edge is not the same as the > ribs. > > First time I've had a part not fit up till now. > > -Sean #40303 (attempting tanks) > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:26 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tank Ribs? --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Sean, I had to put a few pretty heavy flutes in the rib flanges towards the nose of the rib. Take a straight edge and check the alignment of the holes, I had to flute mine pretty deep to get them to line up. Once I did that they fit in with just enough pressure to get them to stay in place with out deforming the skins. Don't forget a bit of extra proseal on the flutes. Rick S. 40185 Fuse ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:51 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tank Ribs? --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens Ok, that helped. Also, What was the problem is that the tabs at the very nose of the ribs (one's with no holes) were not bent at the right point. Meaning they stuck up higher than the other flanges. So, I re-bent them. This was keeping me from getting them pushed all the way down (forward) in the leading edge. Thanks all... -Sean PJ Seipel wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: PJ Seipel > > If you're trying to do it in the jig, take it out until it's cleco'd. > Start clecoing at the nose. Do about 3 rivets both top and bottom on > all of the ribs. Then go back and do the rest of the holes moving > toward the baffle. It'll go much easier. > > PJ #40032 > > Sean Stephens wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens >> >> Anyone else have the T-1004 tank ribs not fit inside the T-1001 tank >> skins? I can get the top side cleco'd in, but then the bottom side >> does not push down (forward) enough to line up the holes. It's >> almost like the radius of the tank skin leading edge is not the same >> as the ribs. >> >> First time I've had a part not fit up till now. >> >> -Sean #40303 (attempting tanks) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:42 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: LED nav lts --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Noel, Green/Blue/Black .... 56 ohms Tim Noel & Yoshie Simmons wrote: > Any one have a set of the led nav lts? I need to know the resistor > rating. Lost mine (ouch). Colors one the resistor will work just fine. > > > > Thank you > > > > Noel > > 406-538-6574 > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:06 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: LED nav lts --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick actually, black- blue- green- none Remember... bad-boys-rape-our-young-girls- but-veronica-goes-willing, get- some- now. black-brown-red-orange-yellow-green-blue-grey-white, gold -silver-none or just go here: http://www.csgnetwork.com/resistcolcalc.html Rick S. 40185 Fuse ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:25 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: LED nav lts --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick duh...yeah like you said Tim-green blue black long day Rick S. 40185 Fuse do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:25 PM PST US From: "Mani Ravee" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tank Ribs and proseal --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" How did you guys apply the proseal? Did you have to use a sealant gun? Like Semco? Would like to hear opinions and experiences. Mani Ravee, MD Indianapolis, KUMP #40339. N528AR -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tank Ribs? --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Sean, I had to put a few pretty heavy flutes in the rib flanges towards the nose of the rib. Take a straight edge and check the alignment of the holes, I had to flute mine pretty deep to get them to line up. Once I did that they fit in with just enough pressure to get them to stay in place with out deforming the skins. Don't forget a bit of extra proseal on the flutes. Rick S. 40185 Fuse ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:37 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tank Ribs and proseal --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene" I used a wooden stick for the ribs and a plastic bag with the corner cut off for the rear baffle. Just used the bag like I was a cake decorator. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mani Ravee Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tank Ribs and proseal --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" How did you guys apply the proseal? Did you have to use a sealant gun? Like Semco? Would like to hear opinions and experiences. Mani Ravee, MD Indianapolis, KUMP #40339. N528AR -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tank Ribs? --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Sean, I had to put a few pretty heavy flutes in the rib flanges towards the nose of the rib. Take a straight edge and check the alignment of the holes, I had to flute mine pretty deep to get them to line up. Once I did that they fit in with just enough pressure to get them to stay in place with out deforming the skins. Don't forget a bit of extra proseal on the flutes. Rick S. 40185 Fuse ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:28 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tank Ribs and proseal --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens I ordered the follow parts from Aircraft Spruce for my Semco Sealant Gun (best thing since sliced bread). 09-00758 PLUNGER FOR PRO SEAL CARTRIDGE $.67 09-00759 PRO SEAL CARTRIDGE ONLY 2-1/2 $.66 09-00760 PRO SEAL CARTRIDGE ONLY 6 OZ $.58 EA4180 NOZZLE FOR PRO-SEAL KITS $1.20 The small cartridges will allow me to mix up small batches, place in cartridge, seal away. After the ribs, etc. are on, I'll be able to do a nice bead on the edges and rivets and smear in place. -Sean #40303 Rene wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene" > > I used a wooden stick for the ribs and a plastic bag with the corner cut off > for the rear baffle. Just used the bag like I was a cake decorator. > > Rene' > 801-721-6080 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mani Ravee > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:04 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tank Ribs and proseal > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" > > How did you guys apply the proseal? Did you have to use a sealant gun? Like > Semco? Would like to hear opinions and experiences. > > Mani Ravee, MD > Indianapolis, KUMP > #40339. N528AR > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:09 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tank Ribs? > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick > > Sean, > > I had to put a few pretty heavy flutes in the rib flanges towards the nose > of the rib. Take a straight edge and check the alignment of the holes, I had > to flute mine pretty deep to get them to line up. Once I did that they fit > in with just enough pressure to get them to stay in place with out deforming > the skins. Don't forget a bit of extra proseal on the flutes. > > Rick S. > 40185 > Fuse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:46 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tank Ribs and proseal --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Mani, I used a combination. I did a few steps each night like fitting the parts to the end ribs, fuel filler etc. I then did two or three ribs a night until I got to the rear baffle. I used 6 tubes of sealant using the semco gun....this is a sweet tool and very clean to use but not a cost effective way to do things in small steps. I used the tubes to apply the sealant for the stiffeners and rear baffle as well to go over the internal tank joints after all the ribs had been installed and just prior to sealing and riveting the rear baffle. I used the Van's can for everything else. I mixed one to two oz's at a time using a postal scale and paper mixing bowls. Get big popsicle sticks and little ones at Micheals craft stores. Make sure you order the "B-2" tubes of sealant, it has a 2 hour work time but in reality it was more like 45 minutes. For mixing the tubes I used ATS mixing adapter on a 1/2" drill....worked great to mix up the tubes. I figure I came out the same as most builders using 1-1/2 cans. I only bought one can and six tubes and had enough to do my aileron and flap trailing edges with about three oz's left over. If money was no object I would do tubes 100 percent but like I said, the amount I was using per session was only two oz's, leaving 4 oz's to go to waste in the tubes had I used them for everything. The semco gun is really trick and very easy to control the flow and is CLEAN to work with. Depends on what you want to shell out for sealing the tanks. Rick S. 40185 Fuse ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:53 PM PST US From: rsipp@earthlink.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tank Ribs? --> RV10-List message posted by: rsipp@earthlink.net I had similar problems Sean, I think I just kept trying different sequences and like Randy said it takes some pressure to make the skin follow the curve. Came out fine in the end. Dick Sipp 40065 -----Original Message----- From: Sean Stephens Subject: RV10-List: Tank Ribs? --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens Anyone else have the T-1004 tank ribs not fit inside the T-1001 tank skins? I can get the top side cleco'd in, but then the bottom side does not push down (forward) enough to line up the holes. It's almost like the radius of the tank skin leading edge is not the same as the ribs. First time I've had a part not fit up till now. -Sean #40303 (attempting tanks) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:02 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: LED nav lts I remenber that Bad boys rape our young girls but vilot gives willingly ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:46 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: LED nav lts DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list - No Plain-Text Section --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. 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