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1. 05:28 AM - Re: FWF/Finishing Missing Parts to date (Chuck Jensen)
2. 07:11 AM - Re: Three bladed props (Mark Ritter)
3. 07:34 AM - Re: Three bladed props (Sean Stephens)
4. 08:51 AM - Re: Parts missing and other rants (John W. Cox)
5. 09:21 AM - Re: Parts missing and other rants (Mark Ritter)
6. 09:25 AM - Tank Rib Tooling Holes (Sean Stephens)
7. 10:04 AM - Re: Tank Rib Tooling Holes (Neal George)
8. 10:10 AM - Re: Tank Rib Tooling Holes (Tom Gesele)
9. 10:36 AM - Re: Tank Rib Tooling Holes (John Hasbrouck)
10. 10:50 AM - Re: Tank Rib Tooling Holes (Tim Olson)
11. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Tank Rib Tooling Holes ()
12. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: Tank Rib Tooling Holes (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
13. 03:00 PM - Re: FWF/Finishing Missing Parts to date (Marcus Cooper)
14. 03:04 PM - Re: Three bladed props (Chris , Susie McGough)
15. 08:44 PM - Re: engine mounts (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
16. 09:21 PM - Re: engine mounts (Tim Olson)
17. 09:48 PM - Converting O-540 235 HP to 260 HP (ddddsp1@juno.com)
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| Subject: | FWF/Finishing Missing Parts to date |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Simply problem really...Order Fulfillment. Some call it shipping,
others customer service but at the end of the day, it is Order
Fulfillment and all that it entails. Van's would save big bucks and big
headaches if they just hired someone to systemically organize and
coordinate order processing. They seem to use the 'bin' system. Order
comes in, they go in the stack and the stack gets worked
on...eventually. Callers and complainers go to the top of the
stack...maybe. The reason I call it the 'bin' system is I've 'bin there
and done that' and it doesn't work. With an efficient system, an order
comes in and it is worked immediately. The easy orders are pulled,
packaged and shipped without ever going into the stack. The tough
orders are assigned to a specific person who has responsibility for
policing that order. Internally, the orders placed with each
Fulfillment person is tracked for total 'time to ship'...and bonuses are
based on the time to ship. If parts aren't in inventory or aren't
retrievable, customers won't need to be complaining. The Fulfillment
person who is loosing their bonus will be raising hell internally, which
is where it needs to be raised. And, the Fulfillment person is graded
on 'kit completeness'. Each kit that is missing something is a nick on
that person's score and their bonus takes a hit.
It is AMAZING the difference that an organized system with personnel
compensation tied directly to order fulfillment makes. The starting
point is Van's needs to hire someone that is experienced and talented at
order fulfillment. They don't need to be a pilot, know what an elevator
or aileron is..they just need to know organization and systems. Then,
Vans could cut in 1/2 the number of people they devote to answer the
phone to ship missing parts and late orders.
Chuck
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| Subject: | Three bladed props |
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| Subject: | Re: Three bladed props |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Has anyone investigated a 3-blade Hartzell?
Maybe the 3-blade designed for the F1 Rocket? 78" 3-blade
HC-F3YR-1ARF/F7693DF
<http://www.hartzellprop.com/kitplane/index_kitplane.htm>
-Sean #40303
Mark Ritter wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
>
> Yes and the report was disappointing. Vic Syracuse is flying with a
> three blade MT prop and I believe he is seeing a TAS of 161 - 162
> knots at 8,000'. Vic is working with the folks at MT but have not
> heard anything lately. Jim Ayers (Less Drag guy) is suppose to have
> access to an RV-10 and will be doing a comparison of performance
> between a two blade Hartzell and the three blade MT. When I talked to
> Jim about Vic's performance his reply was "its easy to blame the
> prop". He also told me MT stands behind their product and that I had
> not purchased a lemon. Here's hoping!
>
> Mark
>
> From: /"John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>/
> Reply-To: /rv10-list@matronics.com/
> To: /<rv10-list@matronics.com>/
> Subject: /RV10-List: Three bladed props/
> Date: /Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:35:43 +1000/
>
> Hi All,
>
> Has anyone heard any reports on the performance of the MT three
> bladed prop?
>
>
>
> John Dunne.
>
> RV-10 #40315 (Finishing Tailcone)
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> acs@acspropeller.com.au <mailto:acs@acspropeller.com.au>
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| Subject: | Parts missing and other rants |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick
Thanks for bringing things so quickly into focus. Two weeks ago Joe
Bartels, owner of Lancair Kitplanes, lost Ken Roberts (25 years old) and
the company Legacy FG in Oregon, then two days ago lost his law business
and office building (just five blocks south from Lake Pontchartrain)
when the levee broke in New Orleans. Joe also lost his home, almost all
possessions and all his investment properties as well. The only thing
his family escaped with were their lives and the clothes on their backs.
He moved N427JB from Lakefront Airport just in time and will start from
scratch after a really bad two weeks. I will hopefully see him tomorrow
at the High Performance Recurrent Training that he strongly endorses in
Redmond.
We are blessed to be at what ever station we now hold in life. This is
a time to think of the important priorities and say prayers then give
support for those truly in need.
John - KUAO
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: RV10-List: Parts missing and other rants
Ditto for me too,
And to close.....lets not forget our fellow Americans and their family's
in the South who are going through such devastation that we can't
imagine, all while we read our emails. Makes a missing bolt seem so
trivial don't you think? If you pray..please do, if you don't then at
least wish them the best, regardless....I sent my money earmarked
tonight. The rest of the world could care less.
Rick S.
40185
Fuse
Wearing full personel protection equipment for this tongue in cheek
perspective.
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| Subject: | Parts missing and other rants |
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| Subject: | Tank Rib Tooling Holes |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
I remember a discussion a while back regarding other options for closing
up the tooling holes in the inboard and outboard most tank ribs.
Can someone refresh my memory?
Thanks...
-Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Tank Rib Tooling Holes |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Neal George" <neal@appaero.com>
Sean -
I have used 470AD5-5 rivets to close those holes on RV-7 and RV-8 tanks.
A Careful "Pre-squeeze" fattens the rivet a little so it won't wobble
around or cleat when it's time to set it in the hole.
neal
I remember a discussion a while back regarding other options for closing
up the tooling holes in the inboard and outboard most tank ribs.
-Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Tank Rib Tooling Holes |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tom Gesele <tgesele@optonline.net>
On my -6, I set 3/16" rivets set into the tooling holes. Providing the hole
size hasn't changed for the -10, I'll be doing the same thing.
- Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: RV10-List: Tank Rib Tooling Holes
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
I remember a discussion a while back regarding other options for closing
up the tooling holes in the inboard and outboard most tank ribs.
Can someone refresh my memory?
Thanks...
-Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Re: Tank Rib Tooling Holes |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Sean
Don't remember the whole discussion which included suggestions to use
"pop" rivets from Lowes but as for me I used an AN470A-5 solid rivet cut to
the appropriate length and covered with proseal. The AN470A is a "soft"
rivet and I used it because I had some. Worked great. Suppose you could
use an AD "hard" rivet also.
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Re: Tank Rib Tooling Holes |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I hadn't heard that rivet idea soon enough, but I made small
round patches prosealed in, held in with 2 AN470AD3-X rivets.
I think the rivet way would be a good way to go though.
Even a screw and locknut would be reasonable.
Either way, proseal all over it.
Tim
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Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> I remember a discussion a while back regarding other options for closing
> up the tooling holes in the inboard and outboard most tank ribs.
> Can someone refresh my memory?
>
> Thanks...
>
> -Sean #40303
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tank Rib Tooling Holes |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <schmoboy@cox.net>
Excellent. I have some extra -5s laying around.
Thanks all for the info...
-Sean #40303
>
> From: "Neal George" <neal@appaero.com>
> Date: 2005/09/01 Thu PM 01:00:36 EDT
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tank Rib Tooling Holes
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Neal George" <neal@appaero.com>
>
> Sean -
>
> I have used 470AD5-5 rivets to close those holes on RV-7 and RV-8 tanks.
> A Careful "Pre-squeeze" fattens the rivet a little so it won't wobble
> around or cleat when it's time to set it in the hole.
>
> neal
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> I remember a discussion a while back regarding other options for closing
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> up the tooling holes in the inboard and outboard most tank ribs.
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> -Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Tank Rib Tooling Holes |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Sean make sure they are AD5-5 or they will turn out to small, the
easiest to do is to make a plate like Dan Checkoway did, and flush rivet
it place and seal it up. That is what I did, took all of 5 extra minutes
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
schmoboy@cox.net
Subject: Re: RE: RV10-List: Tank Rib Tooling Holes
--> RV10-List message posted by: <schmoboy@cox.net>
Excellent. I have some extra -5s laying around.
Thanks all for the info...
-Sean #40303
>
> From: "Neal George" <neal@appaero.com>
> Date: 2005/09/01 Thu PM 01:00:36 EDT
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tank Rib Tooling Holes
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Neal George" <neal@appaero.com>
>
> Sean -
>
> I have used 470AD5-5 rivets to close those holes on RV-7 and RV-8
tanks.
> A Careful "Pre-squeeze" fattens the rivet a little so it won't wobble
> around or cleat when it's time to set it in the hole.
>
> neal
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> I remember a discussion a while back regarding other options for
closing
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> up the tooling holes in the inboard and outboard most tank ribs.
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> -Sean #40303
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| Subject: | FWF/Finishing Missing Parts to date |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Sounds perfect, my graduate compensation professor would be proud of your
solution. Any chance you've send Vans a resume to act as a consultant?! I
wouldn't mind a quicker turn-around on orders, but aside from that have been
very please with my 2.5 kits.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FWF/Finishing Missing Parts to date
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Simply problem really...Order Fulfillment. Some call it shipping,
others customer service but at the end of the day, it is Order
Fulfillment and all that it entails. Van's would save big bucks and big
headaches if they just hired someone to systemically organize and
coordinate order processing. They seem to use the 'bin' system. Order
comes in, they go in the stack and the stack gets worked
on...eventually. Callers and complainers go to the top of the
stack...maybe. The reason I call it the 'bin' system is I've 'bin there
and done that' and it doesn't work. With an efficient system, an order
comes in and it is worked immediately. The easy orders are pulled,
packaged and shipped without ever going into the stack. The tough
orders are assigned to a specific person who has responsibility for
policing that order. Internally, the orders placed with each
Fulfillment person is tracked for total 'time to ship'...and bonuses are
based on the time to ship. If parts aren't in inventory or aren't
retrievable, customers won't need to be complaining. The Fulfillment
person who is loosing their bonus will be raising hell internally, which
is where it needs to be raised. And, the Fulfillment person is graded
on 'kit completeness'. Each kit that is missing something is a nick on
that person's score and their bonus takes a hit.
It is AMAZING the difference that an organized system with personnel
compensation tied directly to order fulfillment makes. The starting
point is Van's needs to hire someone that is experienced and talented at
order fulfillment. They don't need to be a pilot, know what an elevator
or aileron is..they just need to know organization and systems. Then,
Vans could cut in 1/2 the number of people they devote to answer the
phone to ship missing parts and late orders.
Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Three bladed props |
3 for show two for go!! Having said that if the flaps are not set corectly you
will lose about 8 knots...
regards Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Ritter
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:08 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Three bladed props
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
Yes and the report was disappointing. Vic Syracuse is flying with a three blade
MT prop and I believe he is seeing a TAS of 161 - 162 knots at 8,000'. Vic
is working with the folks at MT but have not heard anything lately. Jim Ayers
(Less Drag guy) is suppose to have access to an RV-10 and will be doing a comparison
of performance between a two blade Hartzell and the three blade MT.
When I talked to Jim about Vic's performance his reply was "its easy to blame
the prop". He also told me MT stands behind their product and that I had not
purchased a lemon. Here's hoping!
Mark
From: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Three bladed props
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:35:43 +1000
Hi All,
Has anyone heard any reports on the performance of the MT three bladed prop?
John Dunne.
RV-10 #40315 (Finishing Tailcone)
acs@acspropeller.com.au
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| Subject: | RE: engine mounts |
Can someone remind me - for the RV-10 do we want the "large ear" or the smaller
engine mounts?
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Antennas
--> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
jimc@mail.infra-read.com writes:
<<
And do we stop using a cell phone placed next to the brain because we are
concerned about RF energy? >>
YES!!!! That is why you should use an ear bud......if you use your cell
frequently!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: engine mounts |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
From an old post of Jesse's....and Bob Condreys' verification:
"70456 is the one that you want, from all of my research. They have the
larger angle and smaller hole (1.3??)."
You want the 30 degree ears, not the 17. Smaller hole, not large.
Tim
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> Can someone remind me - for the RV-10 do we want the "large ear" or the smaller
engine mounts?
>
> TDT
> 40025
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| Subject: | Converting O-540 235 HP to 260 HP |
Looking for any info (STC) on converting a 235 HP O-540 to 260 HP. Any help or
websites/engine builders that do this would be greatly appreciated. I believe
all that is needed are new pistons/rings to go from a 7.250 compression to a
8.50 compression.
Thanks,
DEAN
Looking for any info (STC) on converting a 235 HP O-540 to 260 HP. Any help or
websites/engine builders that do this would be greatly appreciated. I believe
all that is needed are new pistons/rings to go from a 7.250 compression to a 8.50
compression.
Thanks,
DEAN
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