---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/02/05: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:15 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com) 2. 06:02 AM - Re: Converting O-540 235 HP to 260 HP (Patrick Thyssen) 3. 06:47 AM - Re: Converting O-540 235 HP to 260 HP (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 4. 11:06 AM - Crow's Foot Torque (Sean Stephens) 5. 11:35 AM - Re: Crow's Foot Torque (Dj Merrill) 6. 11:39 AM - Re: Crow's Foot Torque (Dan Checkoway) 7. 11:47 AM - Re: Crow's Foot Torque (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 8. 11:53 AM - Re: Crow's Foot Torque (Byron Gillespie) 9. 12:07 PM - Crow's Foot Torque (Bruce Case) 10. 12:22 PM - Re: Crow's Foot Torque (Sean Stephens) 11. 04:37 PM - Re: ELT antenna (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com) 12. 05:32 PM - Re: Crow's Foot Torque (Patrick Thyssen) 13. 07:19 PM - Re: Crow's Foot Torque (Rick) 14. 07:52 PM - antenna (David McNeill) 15. 11:38 PM - Re: Three bladed props (Scott Schmidt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:37 AM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> RV10-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com Dear Lister, Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** RV10-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. RV10-List Policy Statement The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. 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This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. ------- [This is an automated posting.] ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:07 AM PST US From: Patrick Thyssen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Converting O-540 235 HP to 260 HP The first thing you lneed is a lycoming OVH manual and a Parts book! When in doubt read the book. But this is why you are called experimental. "ddddsp1@juno.com" wrote: Looking for any info (STC) on converting a 235 HP O-540 to 260 HP. Any help or websites/engine builders that do this would be greatly appreciated. I believe all that is needed are new pistons/rings to go from a 7.250 compression to a 8.50 compression. Thanks, DEAN ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:11 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Converting O-540 235 HP to 260 HP From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Dean, It all depends on exact model that you're converting from and to. A copy of the parts catalog would absolutely verify for you, but I went through this to convert an O-540-B4B5 to an IO-540-D4A5. Differences included pistons, mags and carb to FI system. The other common thing that might be different is the counterweights - you want the counterweight configuration for the "Hartzell Compact Hub" which I believe is indicated by the 2nd digit in the suffix being a "4". There are actually multiple parts catalogs: wide and standard/narrow deck and at least for the narrow deck there's a catalog each for carbureted and fuel injected models Part numbers for the narrow deck are PC-115-2 for the carb engines and PC-215-1 for the fuel injected. They aren't expense and I've actually got a copy of both. I'd be happy to look up a detail or two for you, but you really need a copy for your engine if you're going to work on it. Bob #40105 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ddddsp1@juno.com Subject: RV10-List: Converting O-540 235 HP to 260 HP Looking for any info (STC) on converting a 235 HP O-540 to 260 HP. Any help or websites/engine builders that do this would be greatly appreciated. I believe all that is needed are new pistons/rings to go from a 7.250 compression to a 8.50 compression. Thanks, DEAN ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:44 AM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: RV10-List: Crow's Foot Torque --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens Crow's foot adapter? I assume this is what I need to torque the AN flare fittings for my fuel lines? If so, can someone point me to a good source to purchase them? Also, what needs to be added to the torque amount when using one of these? Thanks, Sean #40303 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:15 AM PST US From: Dj Merrill Subject: Re: RV10-List: Crow's Foot Torque --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill Sean Stephens wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens > > Crow's foot adapter? I assume this is what I need to torque the AN > flare fittings for my fuel lines? > > If so, can someone point me to a good source to purchase them? Also, > what needs to be added to the torque amount when using one of these? I got my set from Sears. There is a chart with my torque wrench that tells you the adjustment to make when using a crow's foot or similar thing depending on the length of the offset. -Dj ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:39:08 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Crow's Foot Torque --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Harbor Freight sells cheap sets of crowfoot wrenches, flare nut and straight variety. I only see metric on their web site but they do sell SAE. Here's a cheap set: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4368152763&category=29527 And here's a calculator that lets you determine torque settings when using a torque wrench extension: http://www.rvproject.com/mechanic.html AC43.13 has a table of torques for AN fluid fittings. Most people I know use German Torque on AN fittings ("guddenteit"). )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Stephens" Subject: RV10-List: Crow's Foot Torque > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens > > Crow's foot adapter? I assume this is what I need to torque the AN flare > fittings for my fuel lines? > > If so, can someone point me to a good source to purchase them? Also, what > needs to be added to the torque amount when using one of these? > > Thanks, > > Sean #40303 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:10 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Crow's Foot Torque From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." Sears sells a good kit, and for torque just use the formula that is in the book -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens Subject: RV10-List: Crow's Foot Torque --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens Crow's foot adapter? I assume this is what I need to torque the AN flare fittings for my fuel lines? If so, can someone point me to a good source to purchase them? Also, what needs to be added to the torque amount when using one of these? Thanks, Sean #40303 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:49 AM PST US From: "Byron Gillespie" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Crow's Foot Torque --> RV10-List message posted by: "Byron Gillespie" Sean: I just went through the same exercise. I found a good set at Sears but purchased a cheap set (~$15 shipped) off eBay that will do the job. There is a section on use and calculations in Chapter 7 of the "Aircraft Inspections & Repair Book. I saw a link to a .pdf file the other day on the list but don't remember who posted. Byron Vacation day - working on the fuselage floors #40253 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens Subject: RV10-List: Crow's Foot Torque --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens Crow's foot adapter? I assume this is what I need to torque the AN flare fittings for my fuel lines? If so, can someone point me to a good source to purchase them? Also, what needs to be added to the torque amount when using one of these? Thanks, Sean #40303 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:57 PM PST US From: "Bruce Case" Subject: RV10-List: Crow's Foot Torque You can purchase crow's feet at a variety of places including Sears. If you mount the crow's foot on your torque wrench at a right angle to the wrench body you don't need to do any additional calculation to compensate for the length of the crow's foot, just read the torque directly, otherwise you need to do some compensation. Bruce Case, #40446, A&P student ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:29 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Crow's Foot Torque --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens Thanks everyone for the replies. As always, this community is something special... -Sean #40303 Dan Checkoway wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > Harbor Freight sells cheap sets of crowfoot wrenches, flare nut and > straight variety. I only see metric on their web site but they do > sell SAE. > > Here's a cheap set: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4368152763&category=29527 > > > And here's a calculator that lets you determine torque settings when > using a torque wrench extension: > http://www.rvproject.com/mechanic.html > > AC43.13 has a table of torques for AN fluid fittings. Most people I > know use German Torque on AN fittings ("guddenteit"). > > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Stephens" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:03 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Crow's Foot Torque > > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens >> >> Crow's foot adapter? I assume this is what I need to torque the AN >> flare fittings for my fuel lines? >> >> If so, can someone point me to a good source to purchase them? Also, >> what needs to be added to the torque amount when using one of these? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Sean #40303 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:09 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: ELT antenna Above the elt on the rear of the fuse bulkhead. Take a look at the photos on Tims site and you can see how mine was mounted. The directions say the a 20 deg angle is best. Can anyone promise me that in a crash that the antenna will end up at 20 deg? Just a thought. Randy ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: ELT antenna Where are folks installing ELT antennas? TDT 40025 do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:09 PM PST US From: Patrick Thyssen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Crow's Foot Torque the goodntite is great, thats why they call you experimental. Dan Checkoway wrote:--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Harbor Freight sells cheap sets of crowfoot wrenches, flare nut and straight variety. I only see metric on their web site but they do sell SAE. Here's a cheap set: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4368152763&category=29527 And here's a calculator that lets you determine torque settings when using a torque wrench extension: http://www.rvproject.com/mechanic.html AC43.13 has a table of torques for AN fluid fittings. Most people I know use German Torque on AN fittings ("guddenteit"). )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Stephens" Subject: RV10-List: Crow's Foot Torque > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens > > Crow's foot adapter? I assume this is what I need to torque the AN flare > fittings for my fuel lines? > > If so, can someone point me to a good source to purchase them? Also, what > needs to be added to the torque amount when using one of these? > > Thanks, > > Sean #40303 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:15 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: Crow's Foot Torque DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list - No Plain-Text Section --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:10 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: antenna What com antennas are being used with the RV10 and SL30? do not archive. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:41 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Three bladed props From: "Scott Schmidt" I'm going to give Jim a call tomorrow and talk to him about this. Last I heard was Vic's engine wasn't making full power. When Van's did their study the MT prop was about 1-2 mph slower but 8 knots is either the engine, or other airframe issues. Scott Schmidt sschmidt@ussynthetic.com ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie McGough Subject: Re: RV10-List: Three bladed props 3 for show two for go!! Having said that if the flaps are not set corectly you will lose about 8 knots... regards Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Ritter To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Three bladed props --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter" Yes and the report was disappointing. Vic Syracuse is flying with a three blade MT prop and I believe he is seeing a TAS of 161 - 162 knots at 8,000'. Vic is working with the folks at MT but have not heard anything lately. Jim Ayers (Less Drag guy) is suppose to have access to an RV-10 and will be doing a comparison of performance between a two blade Hartzell and the three blade MT. When I talked to Jim about Vic's performance his reply was "its easy to blame the prop". He also told me MT stands behind their product and that I had not purchased a lemon. Here's hoping! Mark =09 ________________________________ From: "John Dunne" Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com To: Subject: RV10-List: Three bladed props Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:35:43 +1000 Hi All, Has anyone heard any reports on the performance of the MT three bladed prop? John Dunne. RV-10 #40315 (Finishing Tailcone) acs@acspropeller.com.au Features Subscriptions