---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/06/05: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:40 AM - Re: Gretz (Rob Kermanj) 2. 03:45 AM - Re: Eyeball Vents (Rob Kermanj) 3. 04:09 AM - Re: FW: Elevator question (James Hein) 4. 04:36 AM - Re: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans (Tim Olson) 5. 05:04 AM - Re: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 6. 05:46 AM - Re: Re: Eyeball Vents (Tim Olson) 7. 05:52 AM - Re: Friggin tank ribs (John Hasbrouck) 8. 07:57 AM - vent eyeball placement (brian bollaert) 9. 08:24 AM - Stein's email address (gengrumpy@aol.com) 10. 08:43 AM - Re: Stein's email address (Tim Olson) 11. 09:26 AM - Re: Stein's email address (BPA) 12. 09:51 AM - Re: vent eyeball placement (Tim Olson) 13. 09:55 AM - N325HP (Noel & Yoshie Simmons) 14. 10:06 AM - RFI/EMI (David McNeill) 15. 10:51 AM - Re: N325HP (gengrumpy@aol.com) 16. 11:07 AM - Re: N325HP (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 17. 11:10 AM - Re: N325HP (John Jessen) 18. 12:08 PM - Re: N325HP (Brandon Yost) 19. 05:01 PM - Matronics Web Server Upgrade Today Tuesday 09/06/05 5pm PDT (Matt Dralle) 20. 05:24 PM - Re: vent eyeball placement (brian bollaert) 21. 05:30 PM - Re: RFI/EMI (John W. Cox) 22. 05:45 PM - Re: N325HP (Brian) 23. 05:54 PM - Re: Air vent location problem (John W. Cox) 24. 06:49 PM - Flap rivetting (McGANN, Ron) 25. 07:07 PM - Re: Flap rivetting (Sean Stephens) 26. 07:24 PM - Static Wicks--need suggestions (Bill and Tami Britton) 27. 07:33 PM - Re: Static Wicks--need suggestions (Tim Dawson-Townsend) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:52 AM PST US From: Rob Kermanj Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gretz --> RV10-List message posted by: Rob Kermanj I have a used heated pitot tube part no AN5812-12 for sale. It heats up really nicely but the chrome finish is worn off and brass is showing through. It can be powder coated but cannot be chromed. Price is $125. Anyone interested contact me by a separate email. Rob. On Sep 5, 2005, at 7:47 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > I believe they'll be about $425 or something in that neighborhood. > I would bet that you'll hear back after the weekend. Also try > Stein...I know he was trying to work on being a distributor > for Gretz, so he'd be selling them at the same price but since > you can add other stuff to your order, it might be beneficial > to get it with other supplies. > > Tim > > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > John Hasbrouck wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" >> >> For those who bought heated pitots from Gretz, how much were they? >> I've tried to contact them by e-mail but haven't received any >> response. Wanted a price and ordering info. Thanks >> John Hasbrouck >> #40264 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:19 AM PST US From: Rob Kermanj Subject: RV10-List: Re: Eyeball Vents --> RV10-List message posted by: Rob Kermanj Are the actual Eyeball vents (the black ones) included in the finish kit? I don't seem to find them. Thanks. On Sep 6, 2005, at 12:56 AM, Randy DeBauw wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" > > I agree Tim! I think you would be better off without all the > aggravation > having to deal with all of this. I'll make you a deal. I'll buy your > kit > and those junk plans, pay you for all of the extra freight charges you > encountered. You can go fly the beloved Sundowner and no longer have to > deal with the frustration. I call you next year when I am 3 hours out > from Oshkosh and give you a head start so we can land at the same time. > > Get back to building! Say hi to the family. Randy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:39 PM > To: RV10 > Subject: RV10-List: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > A note about revisions: You cannot trust the plans that come with your > kit, so verify your plans revisions!!! I bought my FWF kit on > 5/25/2005. My plans on page FF1-4 were dated something like 1/26/2005. > One of the recent parts that I thought I was missing has turned > up... > > I had almost called to complain to Van's about a missing fitting, but > as > > it turned out, the plans had changed on 2/22/05, and now that fitting > was no longer required. Don't ask me why when I purchased plans on > 5/25, 3 months after the revision, they didn't send me a complete set > of > > plans with the revision in them. This to me is another spectacular > example of where customer service should absolutely be improved. In > addition, it would be no major deal for any organized company to send > out email notices to their RV-10 builders to notify them of plans > changes.....but I suppose why bother, from what it appears, usually > when > > they have problems with the plans or parts, they thend to just ignore > the people who call and tell them anyway. > > I'm not trying to beat them up, but I'd think that when someone > puts down over $40,000 with a company, they'd send them with current > set of plans, or at least send the revision along with them. > That said, I do check their site periodically for updates, and I > had downloaded and printed them all. At the time, I hadn't even > received the FWF kit plans, so the paper was still stuffed with my > finishing kit plans, so it got overlooked. I guess I assumed that > when you buy a kit, you're receiving the latest and greatest plans. > > -- > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:34 AM PST US From: James Hein Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: Elevator question --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein Sean, That hole is definately not on my skins. The simplest solution would be to dimple and fill with a flush rivet. I think maybe Van's punch press lost its mind and gave you an extra hole! -Jim Sean Blair wrote: >Jim, > >Thanks for all the effort. I went back out to the hangar a snapped a few >photos. It turns out that the hole is only in the top right skin, not the >left, and just above the tenth and eleventh hole from the outboard side >along the trailing edge. I marked it with a cleco for reference. > >It's strange to me why it's there, but not a big deal. A flush rivet should >be the fix. > >Thanks for the input. > >Sean B. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs >Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 5:15 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: Elevator question > >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" > >Sean, > >I just looked at my completedd elevators. There no extra holes in either >the top or bottom skins anywhere near the trailing edges. These are the >ones with trim tab cutouts. Just to make sure you are referencing the >elevator and not the rudder (or some other part)? > >I do have missing holes in fuselage bottom skin though, May you got them? :) > >Pictures if at all possible. > >Jim Combs >#40192 >N312F > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:29 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Oooops, too late for that. It might be gone Friday for good. I'm not tooooo frustrated over the plans, because they are probably the best part about the kit. I was just surprised that with a change done practically at the beginning of shipping that kit, they still delivered all of their kits with a known revision missing. The comment is mainly directed towards new builders... be diligent, and assume you do not have the latest plans, and check their site for all revisions....because you probably actually do not have the latest plans, even if you're a guy just starting his tailcone kit today. I would have assumed differently, so I'm just hoping to save some frustration to the 300+ people who are building after me. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 Randy DeBauw wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" > > I agree Tim! I think you would be better off without all the aggravation > having to deal with all of this. I'll make you a deal. I'll buy your kit > and those junk plans, pay you for all of the extra freight charges you > encountered. You can go fly the beloved Sundowner and no longer have to > deal with the frustration. I call you next year when I am 3 hours out > from Oshkosh and give you a head start so we can land at the same time. > > Get back to building! Say hi to the family. Randy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:39 PM > To: RV10 > Subject: RV10-List: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > A note about revisions: You cannot trust the plans that come with your > kit, so verify your plans revisions!!! I bought my FWF kit on > 5/25/2005. My plans on page FF1-4 were dated something like 1/26/2005. > One of the recent parts that I thought I was missing has turned up... > > I had almost called to complain to Van's about a missing fitting, but as > > it turned out, the plans had changed on 2/22/05, and now that fitting > was no longer required. Don't ask me why when I purchased plans on > 5/25, 3 months after the revision, they didn't send me a complete set of > > plans with the revision in them. This to me is another spectacular > example of where customer service should absolutely be improved. In > addition, it would be no major deal for any organized company to send > out email notices to their RV-10 builders to notify them of plans > changes.....but I suppose why bother, from what it appears, usually when > > they have problems with the plans or parts, they thend to just ignore > the people who call and tell them anyway. > > I'm not trying to beat them up, but I'd think that when someone > puts down over $40,000 with a company, they'd send them with current > set of plans, or at least send the revision along with them. > That said, I do check their site periodically for updates, and I > had downloaded and printed them all. At the time, I hadn't even > received the FWF kit plans, so the paper was still stuffed with my > finishing kit plans, so it got overlooked. I guess I assumed that > when you buy a kit, you're receiving the latest and greatest plans. > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:00 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" When I was planning on building a Cozy Mark IV, one of the nice things was how Nat had set up the plans. He basically copied the idea, and deign, from Burt because it worked so well. He had revisions of the plans and along with the revisions is a requirement to have his newsletters from a specific date forward. Any changes to the plans would be published in the quarterly Cozy newsletter and all builders were required to subscribe. Every 5 years or so he would incorporate all the changes and increment the revision. This made it very simple for any builder to know exactly what was needed to bring his plans up to date. The fact that the plans for the RV-10 have several pages with different revisions is a bit annoying, but at least they do have the revision numbers on them. Not the most builder friendly way to go but I guess it works. They still need to come up with a way to alert the builders though. Just a comment in the beginning of the plans or something saying go "here" to check for updates from time to time. Of course if it's there and I didn't see it I'm just a schmuck. :-) Michael Sausen -10 #352 Tanks Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Oooops, too late for that. It might be gone Friday for good. I'm not tooooo frustrated over the plans, because they are probably the best part about the kit. I was just surprised that with a change done practically at the beginning of shipping that kit, they still delivered all of their kits with a known revision missing. The comment is mainly directed towards new builders... be diligent, and assume you do not have the latest plans, and check their site for all revisions....because you probably actually do not have the latest plans, even if you're a guy just starting his tailcone kit today. I would have assumed differently, so I'm just hoping to save some frustration to the 300+ people who are building after me. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 Randy DeBauw wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" > > I agree Tim! I think you would be better off without all the > aggravation having to deal with all of this. I'll make you a deal. > I'll buy your kit and those junk plans, pay you for all of the extra > freight charges you encountered. You can go fly the beloved Sundowner > and no longer have to deal with the frustration. I call you next year > when I am 3 hours out from Oshkosh and give you a head start so we can land at the same time. > > Get back to building! Say hi to the family. Randy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:39 PM > To: RV10 > Subject: RV10-List: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > A note about revisions: You cannot trust the plans that come with > your kit, so verify your plans revisions!!! I bought my FWF kit on > 5/25/2005. My plans on page FF1-4 were dated something like 1/26/2005. > One of the recent parts that I thought I was missing has turned up... > > I had almost called to complain to Van's about a missing fitting, but > as > > it turned out, the plans had changed on 2/22/05, and now that fitting > was no longer required. Don't ask me why when I purchased plans on > 5/25, 3 months after the revision, they didn't send me a complete set > of > > plans with the revision in them. This to me is another spectacular > example of where customer service should absolutely be improved. In > addition, it would be no major deal for any organized company to send > out email notices to their RV-10 builders to notify them of plans > changes.....but I suppose why bother, from what it appears, usually > when > > they have problems with the plans or parts, they thend to just ignore > the people who call and tell them anyway. > > I'm not trying to beat them up, but I'd think that when someone puts > down over $40,000 with a company, they'd send them with current set of > plans, or at least send the revision along with them. > That said, I do check their site periodically for updates, and I had > downloaded and printed them all. At the time, I hadn't even received > the FWF kit plans, so the paper was still stuffed with my finishing > kit plans, so it got overlooked. I guess I assumed that when you buy > a kit, you're receiving the latest and greatest plans. > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:22 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Eyeball Vents --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson I don't believe so. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE Rob Kermanj wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Rob Kermanj > > Are the actual Eyeball vents (the black ones) included in the finish > kit? I don't seem to find them. Thanks. > > > On Sep 6, 2005, at 12:56 AM, Randy DeBauw wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" >> >> I agree Tim! I think you would be better off without all the aggravation >> having to deal with all of this. I'll make you a deal. I'll buy your kit >> and those junk plans, pay you for all of the extra freight charges you >> encountered. You can go fly the beloved Sundowner and no longer have to >> deal with the frustration. I call you next year when I am 3 hours out >> from Oshkosh and give you a head start so we can land at the same time. >> >> Get back to building! Say hi to the family. Randy >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:39 PM >> To: RV10 >> Subject: RV10-List: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans >> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson >> >> A note about revisions: You cannot trust the plans that come with your >> kit, so verify your plans revisions!!! I bought my FWF kit on >> 5/25/2005. My plans on page FF1-4 were dated something like 1/26/2005. >> One of the recent parts that I thought I was missing has turned up... >> >> I had almost called to complain to Van's about a missing fitting, but as >> >> it turned out, the plans had changed on 2/22/05, and now that fitting >> was no longer required. Don't ask me why when I purchased plans on >> 5/25, 3 months after the revision, they didn't send me a complete set of >> >> plans with the revision in them. This to me is another spectacular >> example of where customer service should absolutely be improved. In >> addition, it would be no major deal for any organized company to send >> out email notices to their RV-10 builders to notify them of plans >> changes.....but I suppose why bother, from what it appears, usually when >> >> they have problems with the plans or parts, they thend to just ignore >> the people who call and tell them anyway. >> >> I'm not trying to beat them up, but I'd think that when someone >> puts down over $40,000 with a company, they'd send them with current >> set of plans, or at least send the revision along with them. >> That said, I do check their site periodically for updates, and I >> had downloaded and printed them all. At the time, I hadn't even >> received the FWF kit plans, so the paper was still stuffed with my >> finishing kit plans, so it got overlooked. I guess I assumed that >> when you buy a kit, you're receiving the latest and greatest plans. >> >> -- >> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:47 AM PST US From: "John Hasbrouck" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Friggin tank ribs John, The recess for the bearing was of about 1/32 so that when you put the three peices together after the bearing was in place, the rivet holes would not line back up. This after having match drilled the three pieces without the bearing in place as per the plans. The new one that Van's sent went together perfectly. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:26 AM PST US From: "brian bollaert" Subject: RV10-List: vent eyeball placement Hi Tim: I Don't have my panel at this point , so i can't glu the vent in place till i get it back , i did buy the vent and some hose in anticapation of haveing a small problem in where to put the black eyeball , i am including 2 pic from the Idaho -10 that stoped into Auburn 3 weeks ago , hope this helps . Waiting for the engine , should be here this week ! Brian Bollaert #40200 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:54 AM PST US From: gengrumpy@aol.com Subject: RV10-List: Stein's email address ANyone have Stein's email address?? -----Original Message----- From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gretz --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson I believe they'll be about $425 or something in that neighborhood. I would bet that you'll hear back after the weekend. Also try Stein...I know he was trying to work on being a distributor for Gretz, so he'd be selling them at the same price but since you can add other stuff to your order, it might be beneficial to get it with other supplies. Tim Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE John Hasbrouck wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" > > For those who bought heated pitots from Gretz, how much were they? I've > tried to contact them by e-mail but haven't received any response. > Wanted a price and ordering info. Thanks > > John Hasbrouck > #40264 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:10 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stein's email address --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson sales@steinair.com or stein@steinair.com gengrumpy@aol.com wrote: > ANyone have Stein's email address?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Olson > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:47:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gretz > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > > I believe they'll be about $425 or something in that neighborhood. > I would bet that you'll hear back after the weekend. Also try > Stein...I know he was trying to work on being a distributor > for Gretz, so he'd be selling them at the same price but since > you can add other stuff to your order, it might be beneficial > to get it with other supplies. > > Tim > > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > John Hasbrouck wrote: > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" > > > > > For those who bought heated pitots from Gretz, how much were they? > I've > tried to contact them ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:59 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Stein's email address From: "BPA" stein@steinair.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gengrumpy@aol.com Subject: RV10-List: Stein's email address ANyone have Stein's email address?? -----Original Message----- From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gretz --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > I believe they'll be about $425 or something in that neighborhood. I would bet that you'll hear back after the weekend. Also try Stein...I know he was trying to work on being a distributor for Gretz, so he'd be selling them at the same price but since you can add other stuff to your order, it might be beneficial to get it with other supplies. Tim Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE John Hasbrouck wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" > > > For those who bought heated pitots from Gretz, how much were they? I've > tried to contact them ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:30 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: vent eyeball placement --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Interesting photo. Thanks Brian. In this case, it looks like they didn't have to trim off any of the corner bolts, but maybe had to file the top of it a bit. I think mine has more interference than that. From Randy's pics, it looks like he had to cut off at least one corner and some of the top: http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/20050404/IMGP0933.html From the Colorado pics, they had smaller valves: http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/Colorado_10s/P200507280091.html Same with the first RV10: http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/RV10demopics/DSCN6749.html I can't seem to find the smaller valve in their online or .pdf catalog though: http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1126025138-156-660&browse=heatvent&product=ventilation-components It's also funny that the #1 RV-10, N401RV, used the small valve, but the parts sent were pre-glued to use the large eyeball valve. cutting them apart will be simple, but I want to figure the best direction to go before I fire up the saw. Hey, where's your engine coming from? Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE brian bollaert wrote: > Hi Tim: > > I Don't have my panel at this point , so i can't glu the vent in place > till i get it back , i did buy the vent and some hose in anticapation of > haveing a small problem in where to put the black eyeball , i am > including 2 pic from the Idaho -10 that stoped into Auburn 3 weeks > ago , hope this helps . > > Waiting for the engine , should be here this week ! > > Brian Bollaert > #40200 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:11 AM PST US From: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" Subject: RV10-List: N325HP Hi all, Just a quick note that I flew N325HP last Thursday! WOW, flew hands off. Stable but when commanded to turn it turns and stays there, can't wait to shoot and ILS. The most impressive part was the noise level in the cockpit. I had to remove one ear cup to here the engine on take off, other than that just a purr of the engine and wind flowing over the airframe. I sound deadened it and have a performance aero engine, 325 horse power and on the front of that a Catto three blade prop. Supper smooth and fast is all I can say at this time will get some real numbers in a few weeks. For those of you building keep on it is worth it Noel Simmons www.blueskyaviation.net ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:54 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: RFI/EMI --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" For flying RV10s, anybody experiencing RFI/EMI in the electric trim unshieled or Autopilot unshielded harnesses??? ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:36 AM PST US From: gengrumpy@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: N325HP Noel, What did you use for sound deadening and where all did you install it? How many pounds of it? Thanks - John #40404 -----Original Message----- From: Noel & Yoshie Simmons Subject: RV10-List: N325HP Hi all, Just a quick note that I flew N325HP last Thursday! WOW, flew hands off. Stable but when commanded to turn it turns and stays there, can?t wait to shoot and ILS. The most impressive part was the noise level in the cockpit. I had to remove one ear cup to here the engine on take off, other than that just a purr of the engine and wind flowing over the airframe. I sound deadened it and have a performance aero engine, 325 horse power and on the front of that a Catto three blade prop. Supper smooth and fast is all I can say at this time will get some real numbers in a few weeks. For those of you building keep on it is worth it Noel Simmons www.blueskyaviation.net Attached Image: DSCF3333.JPG [Image removed] ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:28 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: N325HP From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Noel, Congrats! She's a good looking ship. Can't wait to see the numbers with that 325 and catto prop. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Tanks ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel & Yoshie Simmons Subject: RV10-List: N325HP Hi all, Just a quick note that I flew N325HP last Thursday! WOW, flew hands off. Stable but when commanded to turn it turns and stays there, can't wait to shoot and ILS. The most impressive part was the noise level in the cockpit. I had to remove one ear cup to here the engine on take off, other than that just a purr of the engine and wind flowing over the airframe. I sound deadened it and have a performance aero engine, 325 horse power and on the front of that a Catto three blade prop. Supper smooth and fast is all I can say at this time will get some real numbers in a few weeks. For those of you building keep on it is worth it Noel Simmons www.blueskyaviation.net ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:36 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: N325HP Beautiful plane! Congratulations. 325 HP ! How did this happen? What type engine? What was the weight? John Jessen (#40328 HS) _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel & Yoshie Simmons Subject: RV10-List: N325HP Hi all, Just a quick note that I flew N325HP last Thursday! WOW, flew hands off. Stable but when commanded to turn it turns and stays there, can't wait to shoot and ILS. The most impressive part was the noise level in the cockpit. I had to remove one ear cup to here the engine on take off, other than that just a purr of the engine and wind flowing over the airframe. I sound deadened it and have a performance aero engine, 325 horse power and on the front of that a Catto three blade prop. Supper smooth and fast is all I can say at this time will get some real numbers in a few weeks. For those of you building keep on it is worth it Noel Simmons www.blueskyaviation.net ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:31 PM PST US From: "Brandon Yost" Subject: RE: RV10-List: N325HP --> RV10-List message posted by: "Brandon Yost" Did you do any airframe mods to allow mounting of more horsepower? ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:13 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Matronics Web Server Upgrade Today Tuesday 09/06/05 5pm PDT --> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, I will be taking the Matronics Web Server down for a few hours today, Tuesday September 6 2005 for a chassis upgrade. 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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:56 PM PST US From: "brian bollaert" Subject: Re: RV10-List: vent eyeball placement --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" Hi Tim: Talked to Stein today he prob has talked to you already ? if not maybe at the barbecue ? re: the vents , anyway my engine is coming from the same as you !! Aerosport power (tomorrow) can't wait . gotta say this fiberglass is a drag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! doors etc , not shure what i am going to do with the fairing (maybe a naked -10 ) Brian Bollaert #40200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Subject: Re: RV10-List: vent eyeball placement > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Interesting photo. Thanks Brian. In this case, it looks like they > didn't have to trim off any of the corner bolts, but maybe had to > file the top of it a bit. I think mine has more interference than > that. > > From Randy's pics, it looks like he had to cut off at least one > corner and some of the top: > http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/20050404/IMGP0933.html > > From the Colorado pics, they had smaller valves: > http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/Colorado_10s/P200507280091.html > Same with the first RV10: > http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/RV10demopics/DSCN6749.html > > I can't seem to find the smaller valve in their online or .pdf > catalog though: > http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1126025138-156-660&browse=heatvent&product=ventilation-components > > It's also funny that the #1 RV-10, N401RV, used the small valve, > but the parts sent were pre-glued to use the large eyeball valve. > cutting them apart will be simple, but I want to figure the > best direction to go before I fire up the saw. > > > Hey, where's your engine coming from? > > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > brian bollaert wrote: > > Hi Tim: > > > > I Don't have my panel at this point , so i can't glu the vent in place > > till i get it back , i did buy the vent and some hose in anticapation of > > haveing a small problem in where to put the black eyeball , i am > > including 2 pic from the Idaho -10 that stoped into Auburn 3 weeks > > ago , hope this helps . > > > > Waiting for the engine , should be here this week ! > > > > Brian Bollaert > > #40200 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:43 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: RFI/EMI From: "John W. Cox" --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" At a picnic in Redmond, Or this weekend, one pilot reported extraneous hits on his L3 scope which were only attributed to possible EMI from his STec trim servos. FYI John - KUAO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Subject: RV10-List: RFI/EMI --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" For flying RV10s, anybody experiencing RFI/EMI in the electric trim unshieled or Autopilot unshielded harnesses??? ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:38 PM PST US From: "Brian" Subject: Re: RV10-List: N325HP Congrats on a beautiful project. "Three bladed props for the 540 engines will run from $1850 up to $2350." Got that from cattoprops.com...now that definitely warrants some performance numbers! ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel & Yoshie Simmons To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:54 AM Subject: RV10-List: N325HP Hi all, Just a quick note that I flew N325HP last Thursday! WOW, flew hands off. Stable but when commanded to turn it turns and stays there, can't wait to shoot and ILS. The most impressive part was the noise level in the cockpit. I had to remove one ear cup to here the engine on take off, other than that just a purr of the engine and wind flowing over the airframe. I sound deadened it and have a performance aero engine, 325 horse power and on the front of that a Catto three blade prop. Supper smooth and fast is all I can say at this time will get some real numbers in a few weeks. For those of you building keep on it is worth it Noel Simmons www.blueskyaviation.net ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:53 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Air vent location problem From: "John W. Cox" --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" I will call them "Nads" in the future so as to stay politically correct with the sensitive builders at RV University. The only thing that "Go" are the loose Jepp plates in the free flowing breeze. But then remember, this bird was designed to be a DAY VFR only platform (so the plates shouldn't be there anyway right? I can always wear a fur lined G strap to keep the equipment warm. We are of course known as the Beaver State. I will continue to look long and hard at a different CNC callout on the skins and a relocation farther forward one frame and above the rudder pedal mounts, cause it is both logical and more safety conscientious. Label me Oregon Stubborn. I never said improvements would be easy. John - KUAO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Air vent location problem --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Anyone coming up on complete with their fuselage who can verify how their air vents are looking in the front seats? Here is a photo of one of the Colorado RV-10's that's a bit revealing too: http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/Colorado_10s/P200507280091.html You'll notice that they chopped off the large square part and stuck in some smaller vent...sacrificing airflow useability for the ability to get it to fit. Any other good ideas?? -- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Flap rivetting From: "McGANN, Ron" G'day all, Just finishing off the flaps and installing the -319 pop rivets. I have the stanley swivel head puller from Avery, but find it won't quite fit against the hinge assemblies on the flap bottom, so the rivets do not go in straight. Any hints? I am reluctant to grind the side off my rivet puller . . . cheers, Ron ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:26 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap rivetting --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens That's exactly what I did. Grind flat the face of the puller head. If you don't want to do it to your nice puller, go get a cheap one from somewhere and grind that one flat. -Sean #40303 McGANN, Ron wrote: > > G'day all, > > Just finishing off the flaps and installing the -319 pop rivets. I > have the stanley swivel head puller from Avery, but find it won't > quite fit against the hinge assemblies on the flap bottom, so the > rivets do not go in straight. Any hints? I am reluctant to grind the > side off my rivet puller . . . > > cheers, > Ron > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:19 PM PST US spamd2.ruraltel.net * -4.0 RCVD_FROM_NEXTECH_2 Message came from 24.225.10-29.x network * 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay * lines * 0.4 HTML_30_40 BODY: Message is 30% to 40% HTML * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message * -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% * 0.8 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list From: "Bill and Tami Britton" Subject: RV10-List: Static Wicks--need suggestions I purchased my tail kit from a previous builder. The Rudder/VS were done. He put a static wick on the top of the rudder. I am wondering if this is necessary. I'm to the point of construction on the elevators that I either need to install static wicks on them or I will fill the holes on the rudder and just not have wicks at all. To my knowledge, nobody has put them on any finished -10's yet, right??? If somebody has that I have overlooked, how many did you use? Is one on each control surface enough (ie. one on rudder, one on each elevator, ailerons, etc...)??? Does anybody have any remarks/comments on why I should use/not use the static wicks. From previous conversations, and from listening to people talk about todays technology in shielded cables and built in circuitry protection from static electricity, I think I may just fill the holes on the rudder and not have the wicks at all. Bill Britton ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:22 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Static Wicks--need suggestions From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" No static wicks could affect the performance of your ADF equipment . . . : ) TDT 40025 Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill and Tami Britton Subject: RV10-List: Static Wicks--need suggestions I purchased my tail kit from a previous builder. The Rudder/VS were done. He put a static wick on the top of the rudder. I am wondering if this is necessary. I'm to the point of construction on the elevators that I either need to install static wicks on them or I will fill the holes on the rudder and just not have wicks at all. To my knowledge, nobody has put them on any finished -10's yet, right??? If somebody has that I have overlooked, how many did you use? Is one on each control surface enough (ie. one on rudder, one on each elevator, ailerons, etc...)??? Does anybody have any remarks/comments on why I should use/not use the static wicks. From previous conversations, and from listening to people talk about todays technology in shielded cables and built in circuitry protection from static electricity, I think I may just fill the holes on the rudder and not have the wicks at all. Bill Britton