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1. 03:09 AM - Re: Static Wicks--need suggestions (Rob Kermanj)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: Static Wicks--need suggestions (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
3. 05:44 AM - Re: N325HP (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 06:04 AM - Re: Static Wicks--need suggestions (Bill and Tami Britton)
5. 06:06 AM - Re: Static Wicks--need suggestionsStatic Wicks--need suggestions (Ed Wischmeyer)
6. 06:13 AM - Re: Static Wicks--need suggestions (Rene Felker)
7. 06:37 AM - Firewall Recess Box F1001K (Nikolaos Napoli)
8. 06:54 AM - Static wicks (Chris Hukill)
9. 07:21 AM - Re: Static Wicks (John Kirkland)
10. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: Static Wicks (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
11. 08:18 AM - Re: Static wicks (John Jessen)
12. 08:44 AM - Re: Firewall Recess Box F1001K (Aaron Sims)
13. 09:29 AM - Re: Firewall Recess Box F1001K (Nikolaos Napoli)
14. 09:38 AM - Re: Firewall Recess Box F1001K (Nikolaos Napoli)
15. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Static Wicks (Tim Olson)
16. 09:40 AM - Re: Firewall Recess Box F1001K (Sean Stephens)
17. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: Static Wicks (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
18. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: Static Wicks (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
19. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: Static Wicks (Tim Olson)
20. 12:27 PM - Re: Firewall Recess Box F1001K (Jim Combs)
21. 01:08 PM - Re: Firewall Recess Box F1001K (Nikolaos Napoli)
22. 02:22 PM - Re: Flap rivetting (PJ Seipel)
23. 02:51 PM - Re: Flap rivetting (Bobby J. Hughes)
24. 03:55 PM - Re: Flap rivetting (McGANN, Ron)
25. 04:51 PM - Re: Static Wicks--need suggestionsStatic Wicks--need (Rick)
26. 05:32 PM - Flap trailing edge (McGANN, Ron)
27. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: Static Wicks (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
28. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: Static Wicks (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
29. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: Static Wicks (Bill and Tami Britton)
30. 06:59 PM - Re: WX DL was Static Wicks (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
31. 07:10 PM - Re: Flap trailing edge (Rick)
32. 07:30 PM - fiberglass (Robert G. Wright)
33. 10:45 PM - Re: fiberglass (Tim Olson)
34. 10:55 PM - Re: Re: WX DL was Static Wicks (Sean Stephens)
35. 11:14 PM - Re: Re: Static Wicks (James Ochs)
36. 11:48 PM - Re: vent eyeball placement (Randy DeBauw)
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| Subject: | Re: Static Wicks--need suggestions |
My instructor, a commercial pilot and an old-timer, made me put them on
my RV6 as soon as I got my IFR license. He told me that he had
personally experienced loss of nav/com display on a final approach in
the clouds.
If you have a VOR antenna in the wing tip you will get static discharge
in the clouds. I have heard of glass planes having static discharge in
the fuel sender rod (just heard it from others).
I personally have not experienced one and do not fly "hard IFR". My
understanding is if you plan to fly extensive IFR and spend time in the
clouds (where it will build up and discahrge) you will need them. If
you do decide to use them, make sure that you use bonding straps and
ground all moving surfaces to the fuselage.
Rob.
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On Sep 6, 2005, at 10:23 PM, Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
> I purchased my tail kit from a previous builder.=A0 The Rudder/VS were
> done.=A0 He put a static wick on the top of the rudder.=A0 I am wondering
> if this is necessary.=A0 I'm to the point of construction on the
> elevators that I either need to install static wicks on them or I will
> fill the holes on the rudder and just not have wicks at all.=A0
>
> To my knowledge, nobody has put them on any finished -10's yet,
> right???=A0 If somebody has that I have overlooked, how many did you
> use?=A0 Is one on each control surface enough (ie. one on rudder, one on
> each elevator, ailerons, etc...)???
>
> Does anybody have any remarks/comments on why I should use/not use the
> static wicks.
>
> =46rom previous conversations, and from listening to people talk about
> todays technology in shielded cables and built in circuitry protection
> from static electricity, I think I may just fill the holes on the
> rudder and not have the wicks at all.
>
> Bill Britton
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| Subject: | Static Wicks--need suggestions |
Static wicks are a black art. There is no doubt they can help with a discharge
problem (insert joke here) but if you don't get them in the right place they
will only add drag. The only options are to sprinkle them liberally on the
airframe making sure you have bonding straps on all moveable surfaces or wait
until you actually experience the problem and then deal with it. I'll opt for
the second.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Tanks
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill and Tami Britton
Subject: RV10-List: Static Wicks--need suggestions
I purchased my tail kit from a previous builder. The Rudder/VS were done. He
put a static wick on the top of the rudder. I am wondering if this is necessary.
I'm to the point of construction on the elevators that I either need to install
static wicks on them or I will fill the holes on the rudder and just not
have wicks at all.
To my knowledge, nobody has put them on any finished -10's yet, right??? If somebody
has that I have overlooked, how many did you use? Is one on each control
surface enough (ie. one on rudder, one on each elevator, ailerons, etc...)???
Does anybody have any remarks/comments on why I should use/not use the static wicks.
From previous conversations, and from listening to people talk about todays technology
in shielded cables and built in circuitry protection from static electricity,
I think I may just fill the holes on the rudder and not have the wicks
at all.
Bill Britton
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Something to keep in mind, the Catto props are fixed pitch.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Subject: Re: RV10-List: N325HP
Congrats on a beautiful project.
"Three bladed props for the 540 engines will run from $1850 up to $2350."
Got that from cattoprops.com...now that definitely warrants some performance numbers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel & Yoshie Simmons <mailto:noel@blueskyaviation.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:54 AM
Subject: RV10-List: N325HP
Hi all,
Just a quick note that I flew N325HP last Thursday! WOW, flew hands off.
Stable but when commanded to turn it turns and stays there, can't wait to
shoot and ILS. The most impressive part was the noise level in the cockpit.
I had to remove one ear cup to here the engine on take off, other than that just
a purr of the engine and wind flowing over the airframe. I sound deadened
it and have a performance aero engine, 325 horse power and on the front of
that a Catto three blade prop. Supper smooth and fast is all I can say at this
time will get some real numbers in a few weeks. For those of you building keep
on it is worth it
Noel Simmons
www.blueskyaviation.net <http://www.blueskyaviation.net/>
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| Subject: | Re: Static Wicks--need suggestions |
I forgot to mention that the previous builder did use bonding straps on the rudder/VS
hinges.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Kermanj
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Static Wicks--need suggestions
My instructor, a commercial pilot and an old-timer, made me put them on my RV6
as soon as I got my IFR license. He told me that he had personally experienced
loss of nav/com display on a final approach in the clouds.
If you have a VOR antenna in the wing tip you will get static discharge in the
clouds. I have heard of glass planes having static discharge in the fuel sender
rod (just heard it from others).
I personally have not experienced one and do not fly "hard IFR". My understanding
is if you plan to fly extensive IFR and spend time in the clouds (where it
will build up and discahrge) you will need them. If you do decide to use them,
make sure that you use bonding straps and ground all moving surfaces to the
fuselage.
Rob.
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On Sep 6, 2005, at 10:23 PM, Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
I purchased my tail kit from a previous builder. The Rudder/VS were done.
He put a static wick on the top of the rudder. I am wondering if this is necessary.
I'm to the point of construction on the elevators that I either need
to install static wicks on them or I will fill the holes on the rudder and just
not have wicks at all.
To my knowledge, nobody has put them on any finished -10's yet, right??? If
somebody has that I have overlooked, how many did you use? Is one on each control
surface enough (ie. one on rudder, one on each elevator, ailerons, etc...)???
Does anybody have any remarks/comments on why I should use/not use the static
wicks.
From previous conversations, and from listening to people talk about todays
technology in shielded cables and built in circuitry protection from static electricity,
I think I may just fill the holes on the rudder and not have the wicks
at all.
Bill Britton
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| Subject: | Re: Static Wicks--need suggestionsStatic Wicks--need suggestions |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Ed Wischmeyer <edwisch@cableone.net>
Precipitation static is most commonly found in precipitation (duh) near
the freezing level. P-static affects most low frequency radios, such as
ADFs.
However, any number of glass ships have encountered P-static so severe
as to affect VHF radios and to apply strong shocks to occupants.
VFR only? Probably don't need 'em. IFR? Go check out what factory built
ships do, including grounding straps between control surfaces and
airframe.
Ed Wischmeyer
elevators
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| Subject: | Static Wicks--need suggestions |
I have decided to see it I have a problem and then fix it. I have had a
static problem in a 182 before and I am concerned but not enough to mod the
airplane without any testing.
T. Rene' Felker
N423CF
40322
80% wings
10% fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Static Wicks--need suggestions
Static wicks are a black art. There is no doubt they can help with a
discharge problem (insert joke here) but if you don't get them in the right
place they will only add drag. The only options are to sprinkle them
liberally on the airframe making sure you have bonding straps on all
moveable surfaces or wait until you actually experience the problem and then
deal with it. I'll opt for the second.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Tanks
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill and Tami
Britton
Subject: RV10-List: Static Wicks--need suggestions
I purchased my tail kit from a previous builder. The Rudder/VS were done.
He put a static wick on the top of the rudder. I am wondering if this is
necessary. I'm to the point of construction on the elevators that I either
need to install static wicks on them or I will fill the holes on the rudder
and just not have wicks at all.
To my knowledge, nobody has put them on any finished -10's yet, right??? If
somebody has that I have overlooked, how many did you use? Is one on each
control surface enough (ie. one on rudder, one on each elevator, ailerons,
etc...)???
Does anybody have any remarks/comments on why I should use/not use the
static wicks.
From previous conversations, and from listening to people talk about todays
technology in shielded cables and built in circuitry protection from static
electricity, I think I may just fill the holes on the rudder and not have
the wicks at all.
Bill Britton
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| Subject: | Firewall Recess Box F1001K |
It seems that the F1001K recess box that attaches on to the firewall is a mirror
image of what is shown on the plans. Has anyone had this same problem?
Niko
40188
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I have installed 6/32 nutplates on the two top to stiffeners of the rudder (left
side), and will also place them on the elevators, when I get to that point,
for later installation of static wicks (latest Cessna type), if they turn out
to be needed. EQUALLY IMPORTANT is the installation of nutplates in lieu of the
rivets above the hinges on the rudder bearing doublers, that will allow for
the installation of braided grounding straps on each bearing bolt, which allows
for high current flows around the bearings, instead of thru them, which can
cause WELDED bearings on your primary control surfaces!
Chris Hukill
starting the elevator
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| Subject: | Re: Static Wicks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland" <jskirkland@webpipe.net>
Look on Tim's website. Static wick manufacturer's (Dayton Granger)
recommendation for the RV-10 airframe has been posted there. No need to
wonder or flounder...
John Kirkland
#40333
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| Subject: | Re: Static Wicks |
These locations are untested and again don't mean anything unless you can actually
map your airframe resistance and the most likely locations for build up
and a path for discharge (not likely). Putting them on in those locations in the
diagram may or may not help. Not trying to tell people to not do it but I
do want them to understand that it may not do squat and the chance of the wicks
contributing to control surface flutter is increased.
It's one of those things where if you put them on and don't ever have P static
problems they must be working. Good work, you got that pink elephant. P-static
does exist and it may cause problems but putting static wicks on without
any type of testing against your airframe may or may not help. Also, the likeliness
of a static arc welding a bearing is extreeemly remote and would take a
jolt on the order of a lightning bolt. The main job of bonding straps is to
get the charge over to the wicks.
This subject was broached back on the old Yahoo list and Paul Besing pinged Bob
Knuckolls on the subject, here was his response:
Static wicks have nothing to do with radio quality or reliability.
EVERY time dissimilar materials slide across each other, there is
a tendency for one material with a stronger affinity for electrons
than the other to acquire a negative charge. Common manifestations
include sparks that jump between fingertip and doorknob after
walking across carpet. In the winter especially, I have to remind
myself to keep part of my body touching the frame of my 1" vertical
belt stander while sculpting a piece of metal . . .
the Van DeGraff
like nature of the belt sander will charge the ol'
bod with a
significant kick if I don't bleed it off during the sanding operations.
Precipitation static is unique to airborne particles sliding past
any conductor. Radio receivers can be severely affected by dust
storms usually associated with high winds. I used to work with
an amateur radio repeater installation 1200 feet up on KTVH-TV
in Hutchinson, KS. A blowing snow storm would severely de-sense
our receivers.
Airplanes have unique problems in that they generate their
own wind. Airplanes flying through dust, rain or snow can
pick up significant charges. When the charge reaches sufficient
magnitude, it begins to form coronas at the sharp (usually
trailing edges) of wings and flight control surfaces.
The static wick is a sharp-ended conductor (enhances tendency
for charge to concentrate and form corona) connected to the
airframe through some nominal but rather high resistance. The
idea is to put sufficient static wicks in the right places
so that they force lots of small, low current discharges to form
and dissipate the energy at much lower (read less
noisy)
levels than if the wicks were not present.
The faster the airplane flies, the more likely it is to
experience the effects of p-static. Further, the finish
and skin materials have an influence on tendency to build
and concentrate static charges. These effects are present
and potentially troublesome irrespective of the vintage
of radios carried aboard the airplane.
VHF radios are less susceptible than HF or ADF
receivers. Grounded antennas are quieter than isolated
antennas. There are some modern digital signal processing
techniques that can reduce the audible effects of
p-static but ultimately, locally generated static noises
will overwhelm a receiver looking for weaker signals.
The number, style and placement of static wicks on
our bizjets is as much an art as a science. We spent
a great deal of $time$ selecting the right products
and installations. Further, there's a comprehensive
incoming inspection of static wicks . . . seems that
a performance of a static wick is very sensitive to
production variability.
If your airplane suffers from the effects of p-static,
it may take a lot of effort over a long period of time
to deduce the optimum solution.
Bob . . .
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Tanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Kirkland
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland"
--> <jskirkland@webpipe.net>
Look on Tim's website. Static wick manufacturer's (Dayton Granger) recommendation
for the RV-10 airframe has been posted there. No need to wonder or flounder...
John Kirkland
#40333
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Do you have the numbers of said stiffeners. I'm not quite getting the
picture in my limited brain. Actually, any pictures?
John Jessen
(#40382 HS)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill
Subject: RV10-List: Static wicks
I have installed 6/32 nutplates on the two top to stiffeners of the rudder
(left side), and will also place them on the elevators, when I get to that
point, for later installation of static wicks (latest Cessna type), if they
turn out to be needed. EQUALLY IMPORTANT is the installation of nutplates in
lieu of the rivets above the hinges on the rudder bearing doublers, that
will allow for the installation of braided grounding straps on each bearing
bolt, which allows for high current flows around the bearings, instead of
thru them, which can cause WELDED bearings on your primary control surfaces!
Chris Hukill
starting the elevator
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Recess Box F1001K |
I don't know about yours, but I almost did the same thing until I
realized I was looking at the firewall backwards. I initially
thought the flanges should point rearward on the fuse (my natural
tendency), but the flanges go forward and the recess sticks out in
the opposite direction.
Aaron
--
Aaron Sims
RV-10 #40036 (Firewall)
http://canopyroad.org/rv10/
n217gt@gmail.com
On Sep 7, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Nikolaos Napoli wrote:
> It seems that the F1001K recess box that attaches on to the
> firewall is a mirror image of what is shown on the plans. Has
> anyone had this same problem?
>
> Niko
> 40188
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Recess Box F1001K |
Thanks for the reply Aaron.
I am looking at it the same way you are. Firewall flanges forward and the box
is extending aft of the firewall. The only way for me to fit it is for the box
to extend forward of the firewall. Because of the nut plate holes on the top
edge of the box there is really only one way for it to fit on the Firewall.
If I align the holes it sticks out in the same direction as the firewall flanges.
Niko
Aaron Sims <n217gt@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know about yours, but I almost did the same thing until I realized I was
looking at the firewall backwards. I initially thought the flanges should point
rearward on the fuse (my natural tendency), but the flanges go forward and
the recess sticks out in the opposite direction.
Aaron
--
Aaron Sims
RV-10 #40036 (Firewall)
http://canopyroad.org/rv10/
n217gt@gmail.com
On Sep 7, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Nikolaos Napoli wrote:
It seems that the F1001K recess box that attaches on to the firewall is a mirror
image of what is shown on the plans. Has anyone had this same problem?
Niko
40188
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Recess Box F1001K |
I just talked to Vans about this. Apparently some of these parts were folded the
wrong way. They did try to pull them out of the kits but some of them got
out. So if anyone else has the same problem they can give Vans a call.
Niko
Nikolaos Napoli <owl40188@yahoo.com> wrote:
It seems that the F1001K recess box that attaches on to the firewall is a mirror
image of what is shown on the plans. Has anyone had this same problem?
Niko
40188
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| Subject: | Re: Static Wicks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
THe link John is mentioning is this one:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/staticwicks/staticwicks.html
I plan to put them on mine, although I haven't started yet and
need to really soon. You can see by the photo on the page
that it looks like this did some burning on the tail, and probably
across the bearings.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
John Kirkland wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland" <jskirkland@webpipe.net>
>
> Look on Tim's website. Static wick manufacturer's (Dayton Granger)
> recommendation for the RV-10 airframe has been posted there. No need to
> wonder or flounder...
> John Kirkland
> #40333
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Recess Box F1001K |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Here's a couple pics of Randy's that may help you...
<http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/20040927/DSCN1956.html>
<http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/20041009/DSCN1958.html>
-Sean #40303
Nikolaos Napoli wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Aaron.
>
> I am looking at it the same way you are. Firewall flanges forward and
> the box is extending aft of the firewall. The only way for me to fit
> it is for the box to extend forward of the firewall. Because of the
> nut plate holes on the top edge of the box there is really only one
> way for it to fit on the Firewall. If I align the holes it sticks out
> in the same direction as the firewall flanges.
>
>
> Niko
>
> */Aaron Sims <n217gt@gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
> I don't know about yours, but I almost did the same thing until I
> realized I was looking at the firewall backwards. I initially
> thought the flanges should point rearward on the fuse (my natural
> tendency), but the flanges go forward and the recess sticks out in
> the opposite direction.
>
> Aaron
> --
> Aaron Sims
> RV-10 #40036 (Firewall)
> http://canopyroad.org/rv10/
> n217gt@gmail.com <mailto:n217gt@gmail.com>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Nikolaos Napoli wrote:
>
>> It seems that the F1001K recess box that attaches on to the
>> firewall is a mirror image of what is shown on the plans. Has
>> anyone had this same problem?
>>
>> Niko
>> 40188
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static Wicks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Just remember that static wicks don't really have much to do with lightning protection.
When a big a-- bolt of lightning comes through, a little bit of carbon
and plastic is not going to affect its progress.
Hopefully your EFIS, etc is lightning hardened and tested . . .
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
THe link John is mentioning is this one:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/staticwicks/staticwicks.html
I plan to put them on mine, although I haven't started yet and
need to really soon. You can see by the photo on the page
that it looks like this did some burning on the tail, and probably
across the bearings.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
John Kirkland wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland" <jskirkland@webpipe.net>
>
> Look on Tim's website. Static wick manufacturer's (Dayton Granger)
> recommendation for the RV-10 airframe has been posted there. No need to
> wonder or flounder...
> John Kirkland
> #40333
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| Subject: | Re: Static Wicks |
I find it really hard to believe that damage was from a static discharge. Something
else contributed to it, maybe ball lightning or an air to air strike.
Static wicks will NOT help with lightning. If it's ground to air and you happen
to be lucky enough to be in the way it will pass right through the airframe
taking the most direct route. Same with air to air. Most of lightning's destructive
force comes from the rapid heating of the material especially when
the heating is concentrated at not very conductive points (fiberglass for instance),
something of which static buildup doesn't have the potential to do by itself.
I do like the idea of using one on the rudder to act as the trim tab.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Tanks
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
THe link John is mentioning is this one:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/staticwicks/staticwicks.html
I plan to put them on mine, although I haven't started yet and need to really soon.
You can see by the photo on the page that it looks like this did some burning
on the tail, and probably across the bearings.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
John Kirkland wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland"
> --> <jskirkland@webpipe.net>
>
> Look on Tim's website. Static wick manufacturer's (Dayton Granger)
> recommendation for the RV-10 airframe has been posted there. No need
> to wonder or flounder...
> John Kirkland
> #40333
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| Subject: | Re: Static Wicks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
From what I understand, that photo isn't about lightning, and I haven't
heard of *any* good complete protection from lightning. I don't
know if it's reasonable to even try to address that. But,
I know that with enough sudden discharge, you can get a burned
exit wound like that.
As for the EFIS....that downloadable environmental test video
of the Chelton is pretty cool. They run it through a pretty
harsh water/heat/freeze/electrical discharge test. Hopefully
it's at least a litte more resistant to problems than some of
the other stuff in the panel.
I'll just have to see how far I take the static wick thing.
It would be nice to cover the most likely places with a couple,
like the tip of the rudder.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Doors/Windows
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> Just remember that static wicks don't really have much to do with lightning protection.
When a big a-- bolt of lightning comes through, a little bit of carbon
and plastic is not going to affect its progress.
>
> Hopefully your EFIS, etc is lightning hardened and tested . . .
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:40 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> THe link John is mentioning is this one:
> http://www.myrv10.com/tips/staticwicks/staticwicks.html
>
> I plan to put them on mine, although I haven't started yet and
> need to really soon. You can see by the photo on the page
> that it looks like this did some burning on the tail, and probably
> across the bearings.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>
>
> John Kirkland wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland" <jskirkland@webpipe.net>
>>
>>Look on Tim's website. Static wick manufacturer's (Dayton Granger)
>>recommendation for the RV-10 airframe has been posted there. No need to
>>wonder or flounder...
>>John Kirkland
>>#40333
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Recess Box F1001K |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Just did that part this weekend, No problems at all.
And you thought drilling the aileron counterweights was fun, wait until you get
to the three 5/8" holes in that recess box on stainless steel!
I backed up mine against some hard wood to support it.
It is as appears on the plans.
Jim Combs
#40192
N312F
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Nikolaos Napoli <owl40188@yahoo.com>
It seems that the F1001K recess box that attaches on to the firewall is a mirror
image of what is shown on the plans. Has anyone had this same problem?
Niko
40188
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Recess Box F1001K |
Thats how I drilled mine unfortunately I will have to redo again when the correct
part comes in.
Niko
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Jim Combs <jimc@mail.infra-read.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs"
Just did that part this weekend, No problems at all.
And you thought drilling the aileron counterweights was fun, wait until you get
to the three 5/8" holes in that recess box on stainless steel!
I backed up mine against some hard wood to support it.
It is as appears on the plans.
Jim Combs
#40192
N312F
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Nikolaos Napoli
It seems that the F1001K recess box that attaches on to the firewall is a mirror
image of what is shown on the plans. Has anyone had this same problem?
Niko
40188
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| Subject: | Re: Flap rivetting |
--> RV10-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
I bought one for $5 from Harbor Freight and ground the heck out of it
for use in tight spaces. Know what? It works better and with less
effort than the $35 one I got from Avery.
PJ
40032
Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> That's exactly what I did. Grind flat the face of the puller head.
> If you don't want to do it to your nice puller, go get a cheap one
> from somewhere and grind that one flat.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> McGANN, Ron wrote:
>
>>
>> G'day all,
>>
>> Just finishing off the flaps and installing the -319 pop rivets. I
>> have the stanley swivel head puller from Avery, but find it won't
>> quite fit against the hinge assemblies on the flap bottom, so the
>> rivets do not go in straight. Any hints? I am reluctant to grind
>> the side off my rivet puller . . .
>> cheers,
>> Ron
>>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bobby J. Hughes" <bhughes@qnsi.net>
I have an cheap Arrow tool that is very thin and works in tight spaces.
I broke down and bought a pneumatic gun once I started the cabin floors.
I purchased mine at Home Depot
http://www.jensentools.com/product/group.asp?parent_id=419602
Bobby Hughes
40116 Fus\ Engine
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PJ Seipel
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap rivetting
--> RV10-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
I bought one for $5 from Harbor Freight and ground the heck out of it
for use in tight spaces. Know what? It works better and with less
effort than the $35 one I got from Avery.
PJ
40032
Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> That's exactly what I did. Grind flat the face of the puller head.
> If you don't want to do it to your nice puller, go get a cheap one
> from somewhere and grind that one flat.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> McGANN, Ron wrote:
>
>>
>> G'day all,
>>
>> Just finishing off the flaps and installing the -319 pop rivets. I
>> have the stanley swivel head puller from Avery, but find it won't
>> quite fit against the hinge assemblies on the flap bottom, so the
>> rivets do not go in straight. Any hints? I am reluctant to grind
>> the side off my rivet puller . . .
>> cheers,
>> Ron
>>
>
>
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I took this advice from Sean Stephens' and splurged about US$5 on a cheapie from
the local hardware store. Ground it down and it pulled the rivets beautifully.
Pulled most of the bottom rivets on the left flap and noticed the heads
came out a little domed. Checked the rivet insert and found that it was for cup
head rivets. Doh !! Ground the insert flat and the rest came out fine. Geez
it's hard to remember to double check everything!
Ron
#187
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of PJ Seipel
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap rivetting
--> RV10-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
I bought one for $5 from Harbor Freight and ground the heck out of it
for use in tight spaces. Know what? It works better and with less
effort than the $35 one I got from Avery.
PJ
40032
Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> That's exactly what I did. Grind flat the face of the puller head.
> If you don't want to do it to your nice puller, go get a cheap one
> from somewhere and grind that one flat.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> McGANN, Ron wrote:
>
>>
>> G'day all,
>>
>> Just finishing off the flaps and installing the -319 pop rivets. I
>> have the stanley swivel head puller from Avery, but find it won't
>> quite fit against the hinge assemblies on the flap bottom, so the
>> rivets do not go in straight. Any hints? I am reluctant to grind
>> the side off my rivet puller . . .
>> cheers,
>> Ron
>>
>
>
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suggestions
| Subject: | Re: Static Wicks--need suggestionsStatic Wicks--need |
suggestions
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Hey Ed,
You've been pretty busy writing all those articles, are you finally finding time
to get your RV-10 built?
Rick s.
40185
Fuse
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| Subject: | Flap trailing edge |
G'day all,
Planning the assembly of the flap trailing edges.
I have used the angle iron back rivet method (with Proseal)on the rudder, elevators
and ailerons with great success. But the flaps are much longer and exceed
the length of my angle iron setup. Has any one uncovered any gotchas or experienced
any straightness issues with the flap TEs? I note that the plans call
for setting the TE before the bottom rivets are pulled. Is there any reason
for this?
Thanks in advance
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Static Wicks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Clearly few builders are using the archive feature, so here we go again.
Tim and TDT don't take offense.
First VAN did not build the RV-10 for other than DAY VFR. Probing into
this IFR subject creates unwanted side consequences. That said, P-static
dissipation and lightning charge release are two separate weather
events. Static wicks have everything to do with BOTH. With lightening
discharge, you absolutely need to understand the importance of having
bonding ground straps to transfer the amperage through (around) the
pivot points and hinges attached to the aluminum. Controls get fried
and lock up, fairings pop, smoke and burn.
Back to VAN'S philosophy, avoid the area and the phenomena... just stay
DAY VFR. I have been through both P-static and a direct hit from
lightening... Now you have a reason. That said, the plastic plane
owners at this weekend's barbeque talked long and hard about the value
of static wicks. No one says you have to listen or drink the Koolaid.
Flying into the phenomena in even an aluminum airplane makes as much
sense as wearing a colander on your head during days of convective
current or swinging a golf club on a hill. You need an effective path.
Study the issues.
The aircraft this weekend usually had 12 max some only had 5. Two or
Three on the upper most/aft most/ outboard most point on the vertical.
Two on each outermost side of the horizontal (including the elevator)
and two to three on each wing. More with winglets, but also on the
ailerons. This issue is to create an effective low resistance path to
discharge the aircraft capacitor back safely into the atmosphere...
nothing more. Most Plastic owners remove them for aesthetics during the
barbeque until they are flying cross-country - then just rethread them
on.
Simple rain water and flights into clouds in the northwest is enough to
create P-static. It affects ADF, VHF communications and unwanted L3
strike indications alike. The photograph posted earlier should be
enough to provoke your desire to study the subject more.
Nuff Said... back to my pointed cap and obsidian rod. I still have some
fools gold to create.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
John - KUAO
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Just remember that static wicks don't really have much to do with
lightning protection. When a big a-- bolt of lightning comes through, a
little bit of carbon and plastic is not going to affect its progress.
Hopefully your EFIS, etc is lightning hardened and tested . . .
TDT
40025
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
THe link John is mentioning is this one:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/staticwicks/staticwicks.html
I plan to put them on mine, although I haven't started yet and
need to really soon. You can see by the photo on the page
that it looks like this did some burning on the tail, and probably
across the bearings.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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| Subject: | Re: Static Wicks |
Hey, don't look at Tim and I - we're not the ones who brought it up again!
TDT
40025
do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Clearly few builders are using the archive feature, so here we go again.
Tim and TDT don't take offense.
First VAN did not build the RV-10 for other than DAY VFR. Probing into
this IFR subject creates unwanted side consequences. That said, P-static
dissipation and lightning charge release are two separate weather
events. Static wicks have everything to do with BOTH. With lightening
discharge, you absolutely need to understand the importance of having
bonding ground straps to transfer the amperage through (around) the
pivot points and hinges attached to the aluminum. Controls get fried
and lock up, fairings pop, smoke and burn.
Back to VAN'S philosophy, avoid the area and the phenomena... just stay
DAY VFR. I have been through both P-static and a direct hit from
lightening... Now you have a reason. That said, the plastic plane
owners at this weekend's barbeque talked long and hard about the value
of static wicks. No one says you have to listen or drink the Koolaid.
Flying into the phenomena in even an aluminum airplane makes as much
sense as wearing a colander on your head during days of convective
current or swinging a golf club on a hill. You need an effective path.
Study the issues.
The aircraft this weekend usually had 12 max some only had 5. Two or
Three on the upper most/aft most/ outboard most point on the vertical.
Two on each outermost side of the horizontal (including the elevator)
and two to three on each wing. More with winglets, but also on the
ailerons. This issue is to create an effective low resistance path to
discharge the aircraft capacitor back safely into the atmosphere...
nothing more. Most Plastic owners remove them for aesthetics during the
barbeque until they are flying cross-country - then just rethread them
on.
Simple rain water and flights into clouds in the northwest is enough to
create P-static. It affects ADF, VHF communications and unwanted L3
strike indications alike. The photograph posted earlier should be
enough to provoke your desire to study the subject more.
Nuff Said... back to my pointed cap and obsidian rod. I still have some
fools gold to create.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
John - KUAO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Just remember that static wicks don't really have much to do with
lightning protection. When a big a-- bolt of lightning comes through, a
little bit of carbon and plastic is not going to affect its progress.
Hopefully your EFIS, etc is lightning hardened and tested . . .
TDT
40025
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
THe link John is mentioning is this one:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/staticwicks/staticwicks.html
I plan to put them on mine, although I haven't started yet and
need to really soon. You can see by the photo on the page
that it looks like this did some burning on the tail, and probably
across the bearings.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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| Subject: | Re: Static Wicks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
Well, it looks like I struck a nerve with the whole static wick thing again.
I apologize for not checking the archives. I did not because I posted a
thread on the same subject quite awhile back and didn't get much response.
Just thought I'd try again since more folks are nearing completion.
I still have not decided what I'll do. I'll check out the link on Tim's
site and go from there. I may install them now or I may finish the plane
and see if they are necessary before installing them.
I don't PLAN on any hard IFR right now. The previous builder started the
static wick/bonding straps thing and I was just trying to decide If I should
follow through with it. However, I also know how weather works. Everybody
with a pilots license knows that it's not hard to get into a position you
don't necessarily want to be in (weatherwise) regardless if you're flying
IFR or VFR. Not to mention I live in W. KS where the hot wind and dust
blows often.
Actually, I think I may have just talked myself into installing them. I can
always take them off if I don't like their looks (like those glass guys that
somebody previously mentioned)!!!
Thanks for all the input,
Bill
RV-10 Elevators
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> From what I understand, that photo isn't about lightning, and I haven't
> heard of *any* good complete protection from lightning. I don't
> know if it's reasonable to even try to address that. But,
> I know that with enough sudden discharge, you can get a burned
> exit wound like that.
>
> As for the EFIS....that downloadable environmental test video
> of the Chelton is pretty cool. They run it through a pretty
> harsh water/heat/freeze/electrical discharge test. Hopefully
> it's at least a litte more resistant to problems than some of
> the other stuff in the panel.
>
> I'll just have to see how far I take the static wick thing.
> It would be nice to cover the most likely places with a couple,
> like the tip of the rudder.
>
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current project: Doors/Windows
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >
> >
> > Just remember that static wicks don't really have much to do with
lightning protection. When a big a-- bolt of lightning comes through, a
little bit of carbon and plastic is not going to affect its progress.
> >
> > Hopefully your EFIS, etc is lightning hardened and tested . . .
> >
> > TDT
> > 40025
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:40 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
> >
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> > THe link John is mentioning is this one:
> > http://www.myrv10.com/tips/staticwicks/staticwicks.html
> >
> > I plan to put them on mine, although I haven't started yet and
> > need to really soon. You can see by the photo on the page
> > that it looks like this did some burning on the tail, and probably
> > across the bearings.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> >
> >
> > John Kirkland wrote:
> >
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland"
<jskirkland@webpipe.net>
> >>
> >>Look on Tim's website. Static wick manufacturer's (Dayton Granger)
> >>recommendation for the RV-10 airframe has been posted there. No need to
> >>wonder or flounder...
> >>John Kirkland
> >>#40333
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| Subject: | RE: WX DL was Static Wicks |
While we're warning each other about weather, everyone please don't try to use
datalink weather to "thread the needle" between storm cells or other such nasty
stuff.
Today's datalink products are pretty fast, but it's still not "live" and not as
immediate as say, on-board radar. Use datalink to make decisions 50 miles or
more out, so you won't have to put yourself in a risky situation. For that use
they are ideal.
TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Bill and Tami Britton
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
Well, it looks like I struck a nerve with the whole static wick thing again.
I apologize for not checking the archives. I did not because I posted a
thread on the same subject quite awhile back and didn't get much response.
Just thought I'd try again since more folks are nearing completion.
I still have not decided what I'll do. I'll check out the link on Tim's
site and go from there. I may install them now or I may finish the plane
and see if they are necessary before installing them.
I don't PLAN on any hard IFR right now. The previous builder started the
static wick/bonding straps thing and I was just trying to decide If I should
follow through with it. However, I also know how weather works. Everybody
with a pilots license knows that it's not hard to get into a position you
don't necessarily want to be in (weatherwise) regardless if you're flying
IFR or VFR. Not to mention I live in W. KS where the hot wind and dust
blows often.
Actually, I think I may have just talked myself into installing them. I can
always take them off if I don't like their looks (like those glass guys that
somebody previously mentioned)!!!
Thanks for all the input,
Bill
RV-10 Elevators
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> From what I understand, that photo isn't about lightning, and I haven't
> heard of *any* good complete protection from lightning. I don't
> know if it's reasonable to even try to address that. But,
> I know that with enough sudden discharge, you can get a burned
> exit wound like that.
>
> As for the EFIS....that downloadable environmental test video
> of the Chelton is pretty cool. They run it through a pretty
> harsh water/heat/freeze/electrical discharge test. Hopefully
> it's at least a litte more resistant to problems than some of
> the other stuff in the panel.
>
> I'll just have to see how far I take the static wick thing.
> It would be nice to cover the most likely places with a couple,
> like the tip of the rudder.
>
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current project: Doors/Windows
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >
> >
> > Just remember that static wicks don't really have much to do with
lightning protection. When a big a-- bolt of lightning comes through, a
little bit of carbon and plastic is not going to affect its progress.
> >
> > Hopefully your EFIS, etc is lightning hardened and tested . . .
> >
> > TDT
> > 40025
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:40 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
> >
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> > THe link John is mentioning is this one:
> > http://www.myrv10.com/tips/staticwicks/staticwicks.html
> >
> > I plan to put them on mine, although I haven't started yet and
> > need to really soon. You can see by the photo on the page
> > that it looks like this did some burning on the tail, and probably
> > across the bearings.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> >
> >
> > John Kirkland wrote:
> >
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland"
<jskirkland@webpipe.net>
> >>
> >>Look on Tim's website. Static wick manufacturer's (Dayton Granger)
> >>recommendation for the RV-10 airframe has been posted there. No need to
> >>wonder or flounder...
> >>John Kirkland
> >>#40333
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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What size (width) fiberglass cloth did you get for the fairing buildup?
What size would you recommend?
Rob
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Windshield Fairing?
I just did a write up of the stuff here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050821/index.html
I think it was maybe 4" width....remember that it's E-Glass you
want. The part number is listed....thanks to Scott Schmidt.
Don't forget the rotary cutting tool. It's PERFECT for this
job.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Robert G. Wright wrote:
> What size (width) fiberglass cloth did you get for the fairing buildup?
> What size would you recommend?
>
>
>
> Rob
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: WX DL was Static Wicks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
For $8K+ that EX5000 WX datalink better be real-time! :)
kidding...
-Sean #40303 (luv to kid TDT about $$)
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> While we're warning each other about weather, everyone please don't try to use
datalink weather to "thread the needle" between storm cells or other such nasty
stuff.
>
> Today's datalink products are pretty fast, but it's still not "live" and not
as immediate as say, on-board radar. Use datalink to make decisions 50 miles
or more out, so you won't have to put yourself in a risky situation. For that
use they are ideal.
>
> TDT
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Bill and Tami Britton
> Sent: Wed 9/7/2005 9:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
>
> Well, it looks like I struck a nerve with the whole static wick thing again.
> I apologize for not checking the archives. I did not because I posted a
> thread on the same subject quite awhile back and didn't get much response.
> Just thought I'd try again since more folks are nearing completion.
>
> I still have not decided what I'll do. I'll check out the link on Tim's
> site and go from there. I may install them now or I may finish the plane
> and see if they are necessary before installing them.
>
> I don't PLAN on any hard IFR right now. The previous builder started the
> static wick/bonding straps thing and I was just trying to decide If I should
> follow through with it. However, I also know how weather works. Everybody
> with a pilots license knows that it's not hard to get into a position you
> don't necessarily want to be in (weatherwise) regardless if you're flying
> IFR or VFR. Not to mention I live in W. KS where the hot wind and dust
> blows often.
>
> Actually, I think I may have just talked myself into installing them. I can
> always take them off if I don't like their looks (like those glass guys that
> somebody previously mentioned)!!!
>
> Thanks for all the input,
> Bill
> RV-10 Elevators
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
>
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> From what I understand, that photo isn't about lightning, and I haven't
>> heard of *any* good complete protection from lightning. I don't
>> know if it's reasonable to even try to address that. But,
>> I know that with enough sudden discharge, you can get a burned
>> exit wound like that.
>>
>> As for the EFIS....that downloadable environmental test video
>> of the Chelton is pretty cool. They run it through a pretty
>> harsh water/heat/freeze/electrical discharge test. Hopefully
>> it's at least a litte more resistant to problems than some of
>> the other stuff in the panel.
>>
>> I'll just have to see how far I take the static wick thing.
>> It would be nice to cover the most likely places with a couple,
>> like the tip of the rudder.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>> Current project: Doors/Windows
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>>>
> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>>> Just remember that static wicks don't really have much to do with
>>>
> lightning protection. When a big a-- bolt of lightning comes through, a
> little bit of carbon and plastic is not going to affect its progress.
>
>>> Hopefully your EFIS, etc is lightning hardened and tested . . .
>>>
>>> TDT
>>> 40025
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:40 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
>>>
>>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>
>>> THe link John is mentioning is this one:
>>> http://www.myrv10.com/tips/staticwicks/staticwicks.html
>>>
>>> I plan to put them on mine, although I haven't started yet and
>>> need to really soon. You can see by the photo on the page
>>> that it looks like this did some burning on the tail, and probably
>>> across the bearings.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>>>
>>>
>>> John Kirkland wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland"
>>>>
> <jskirkland@webpipe.net>
>
>>>> Look on Tim's website. Static wick manufacturer's (Dayton Granger)
>>>> recommendation for the RV-10 airframe has been posted there. No need to
>>>> wonder or flounder...
>>>> John Kirkland
>>>> #40333
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static Wicks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
At the risk of dragging this out further ;)....
I just went through the yahoo archives and the matronics archives and
didn't see anything about what specifically to use for bonding straps or
get a good feeling for the exact placement of them. Also, if one
follows the diagram from dayton-granger it looks like they are
recommending something like 12 wicks (probably 14 if you want to put two
down at the bottom of the rudder). at ~$40 per wick plus whatever the
bonding straps cost that seems like a lot of money for something that
nobody can agree on as to whether it is needed, effective, or what the
proper placement is. I'm kind of leaning towards doing them on my -10
anyway but haven't really decided yet.
The question I have is: is there a reference somewhere that shows the
best locations for the bonding straps, what type, where to get them and
how to attach them? Also, for those parts that I have finished already
what is the best way to "retrofit" both the bonding straps and the
static wicks? I'd like them to be replaceable. For the static wicks on
the rudder should I just drill out a couple of rivets and replace that
with a nut and bolt?
Thanks,
James
#40400
HS completed
Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
>
>Well, it looks like I struck a nerve with the whole static wick thing again.
>I apologize for not checking the archives. I did not because I posted a
>thread on the same subject quite awhile back and didn't get much response.
>Just thought I'd try again since more folks are nearing completion.
>
>I still have not decided what I'll do. I'll check out the link on Tim's
>site and go from there. I may install them now or I may finish the plane
>and see if they are necessary before installing them.
>
>I don't PLAN on any hard IFR right now. The previous builder started the
>static wick/bonding straps thing and I was just trying to decide If I should
>follow through with it. However, I also know how weather works. Everybody
>with a pilots license knows that it's not hard to get into a position you
>don't necessarily want to be in (weatherwise) regardless if you're flying
>IFR or VFR. Not to mention I live in W. KS where the hot wind and dust
>blows often.
>
>Actually, I think I may have just talked myself into installing them. I can
>always take them off if I don't like their looks (like those glass guys that
>somebody previously mentioned)!!!
>
>Thanks for all the input,
>Bill
>RV-10 Elevators
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:43 PM
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> From what I understand, that photo isn't about lightning, and I haven't
>>heard of *any* good complete protection from lightning. I don't
>>know if it's reasonable to even try to address that. But,
>>I know that with enough sudden discharge, you can get a burned
>>exit wound like that.
>>
>>As for the EFIS....that downloadable environmental test video
>>of the Chelton is pretty cool. They run it through a pretty
>>harsh water/heat/freeze/electrical discharge test. Hopefully
>>it's at least a litte more resistant to problems than some of
>>the other stuff in the panel.
>>
>>I'll just have to see how far I take the static wick thing.
>>It would be nice to cover the most likely places with a couple,
>>like the tip of the rudder.
>>
>>
>>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>>Current project: Doors/Windows
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>>>
>>>
><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
>>>Just remember that static wicks don't really have much to do with
>>>
>>>
>lightning protection. When a big a-- bolt of lightning comes through, a
>little bit of carbon and plastic is not going to affect its progress.
>
>
>>>Hopefully your EFIS, etc is lightning hardened and tested . . .
>>>
>>>TDT
>>>40025
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:40 PM
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks
>>>
>>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>
>>>THe link John is mentioning is this one:
>>>http://www.myrv10.com/tips/staticwicks/staticwicks.html
>>>
>>>I plan to put them on mine, although I haven't started yet and
>>>need to really soon. You can see by the photo on the page
>>>that it looks like this did some burning on the tail, and probably
>>>across the bearings.
>>>
>>>Tim
>>>
>>>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>>>
>>>
>>>John Kirkland wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland"
>>>>
>>>>
><jskirkland@webpipe.net>
>
>
>>>>Look on Tim's website. Static wick manufacturer's (Dayton Granger)
>>>>recommendation for the RV-10 airframe has been posted there. No need to
>>>>wonder or flounder...
>>>>John Kirkland
>>>>#40333
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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| Subject: | vent eyeball placement |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
N410RV had the small vents and Van wanted to make sure the kits had the
larger vents because the air flow wasn't enough. At least that is the
story I heard. Also I cut off one ear of the vent. I believe that is
pretty common with all RV models if you use the large vents. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: vent eyeball placement
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Interesting photo. Thanks Brian. In this case, it looks like they
didn't have to trim off any of the corner bolts, but maybe had to
file the top of it a bit. I think mine has more interference than
that.
From Randy's pics, it looks like he had to cut off at least one
corner and some of the top:
http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/20050404/IMGP0933.html
From the Colorado pics, they had smaller valves:
http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/Colorado_10s/P200507280091.html
Same with the first RV10:
http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/RV10demopics/DSCN6749.html
I can't seem to find the smaller valve in their online or .pdf
catalog though:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1126025138-156-660
&browse=heatvent&product=ventilation-components
It's also funny that the #1 RV-10, N401RV, used the small valve,
but the parts sent were pre-glued to use the large eyeball valve.
cutting them apart will be simple, but I want to figure the
best direction to go before I fire up the saw.
Hey, where's your engine coming from?
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
brian bollaert wrote:
> Hi Tim:
>
> I Don't have my panel at this point , so i can't glu the vent in place
> till i get it back , i did buy the vent and some hose in anticapation
of
> haveing a small problem in where to put the black eyeball , i am
> including 2 pic from the Idaho -10 that stoped into Auburn 3 weeks
> ago , hope this helps .
>
> Waiting for the engine , should be here this week !
>
> Brian Bollaert
> #40200
>
>
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