---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/08/05: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:32 AM - Re: Flap trailing edge (Chris , Susie McGough) 2. 06:32 AM - Re: Re: Static Wicks (RV Builder \(Michael Sausen\)) 3. 06:32 AM - Re: Flap trailing edge (RV Builder \(Michael Sausen\)) 4. 06:56 AM - Re: Flap trailing edge (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com) 5. 08:39 AM - Re: Static Wicks--need suggestionsStatic Wicks--need (Ed Wischmeyer) 6. 09:29 AM - Bonding Straps (John Kirkland) 7. 10:51 AM - Re: Bonding Straps (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 8. 12:24 PM - Re: N325HP (Brian Sponcil) 9. 01:09 PM - Re: Bonding Straps (John Jessen) 10. 01:22 PM - Re: Bonding Straps (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 11. 01:46 PM - Re: Bonding Straps (John Jessen) 12. 07:07 PM - Props (GenGrumpy@aol.com) 13. 08:26 PM - Re: Props (ddddsp1@juno.com) 14. 08:35 PM - Re: Props (GenGrumpy@aol.com) 15. 08:51 PM - Re: Props (Sean Stephens) 16. 08:57 PM - panel (David McNeill) 17. 09:17 PM - Re: Props (David McNeill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:06 AM PST US From: "Chris , Susie McGough" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap trailing edge Flap trailing edgeWhile on our trip in the states I was lucky enough to work with Ken K (engineer at Vans) and we built a Aileron and he showed me how to do trailing edge...no proseal glue or anything. He did it and perfectly straight. So I used a large angle iron which you rest trailing edge on...put a weight on each end and start anywhere you like and just back rivet.No proseal. I did the elevators and rudder this way...dead straight and no messy proseal or that extra weight. No discussion needed took about 4 minutes each elevator!! Done no dramas!! Chris RV6 Sold RV10 cone ----- Original Message ----- From: McGANN, Ron To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: RV10-List: Flap trailing edge G'day all, Planning the assembly of the flap trailing edges. I have used the angle iron back rivet method (with Proseal)on the rudder, elevators and ailerons with great success. But the flaps are much longer and exceed the length of my angle iron setup. Has any one uncovered any gotchas or experienced any straightness issues with the flap TEs? I note that the plans call for setting the TE before the bottom rivets are pulled. Is there any reason for this? Thanks in advance Ron ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:31 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks From: "RV Builder \(Michael Sausen\)" Don't look at me, I only give opinions. Ha! I blame it all on Tim Olson, he has the web site. what TDT said below ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks Hey, don't look at Tim and I - we're not the ones who brought it up again! TDT 40025 do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John W. Cox Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" Clearly few builders are using the archive feature, so here we go again. Tim and TDT don't take offense. First VAN did not build the RV-10 for other than DAY VFR. Probing into this IFR subject creates unwanted side consequences. That said, P-static dissipation and lightning charge release are two separate weather events. Static wicks have everything to do with BOTH. With lightening discharge, you absolutely need to understand the importance of having bonding ground straps to transfer the amperage through (around) the pivot points and hinges attached to the aluminum. Controls get fried and lock up, fairings pop, smoke and burn. Back to VAN'S philosophy, avoid the area and the phenomena... just stay DAY VFR. I have been through both P-static and a direct hit from lightening... Now you have a reason. That said, the plastic plane owners at this weekend's barbeque talked long and hard about the value of static wicks. No one says you have to listen or drink the Koolaid. Flying into the phenomena in even an aluminum airplane makes as much sense as wearing a colander on your head during days of convective current or swinging a golf club on a hill. You need an effective path. Study the issues. The aircraft this weekend usually had 12 max some only had 5. Two or Three on the upper most/aft most/ outboard most point on the vertical. Two on each outermost side of the horizontal (including the elevator) and two to three on each wing. More with winglets, but also on the ailerons. This issue is to create an effective low resistance path to discharge the aircraft capacitor back safely into the atmosphere... nothing more. Most Plastic owners remove them for aesthetics during the barbeque until they are flying cross-country - then just rethread them on. Simple rain water and flights into clouds in the northwest is enough to create P-static. It affects ADF, VHF communications and unwanted L3 strike indications alike. The photograph posted earlier should be enough to provoke your desire to study the subject more. Nuff Said... back to my pointed cap and obsidian rod. I still have some fools gold to create. DO NOT ARCHIVE John - KUAO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Static Wicks --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Just remember that static wicks don't really have much to do with lightning protection. When a big a-- bolt of lightning comes through, a little bit of carbon and plastic is not going to affect its progress. Hopefully your EFIS, etc is lightning hardened and tested . . . TDT 40025 --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson THe link John is mentioning is this one: http://www.myrv10.com/tips/staticwicks/staticwicks.html I plan to put them on mine, although I haven't started yet and need to really soon. You can see by the photo on the page that it looks like this did some burning on the tail, and probably across the bearings. Tim Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:31 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flap trailing edge From: "RV Builder \(Michael Sausen\)" But will they discharge p static correctly? do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie McGough Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap trailing edge While on our trip in the states I was lucky enough to work with Ken K (engineer at Vans) and we built a Aileron and he showed me how to do trailing edge...no proseal glue or anything. He did it and perfectly straight. So I used a large angle iron which you rest trailing edge on...put a weight on each end and start anywhere you like and just back rivet.No proseal. I did the elevators and rudder this way...dead straight and no messy proseal or that extra weight. No discussion needed took about 4 minutes each elevator!! Done no dramas!! Chris RV6 Sold RV10 cone ----- Original Message ----- From: McGANN, Ron To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: RV10-List: Flap trailing edge G'day all, Planning the assembly of the flap trailing edges. I have used the angle iron back rivet method (with Proseal)on the rudder, elevators and ailerons with great success. But the flaps are much longer and exceed the length of my angle iron setup. Has any one uncovered any gotchas or experienced any straightness issues with the flap TEs? I note that the plans call for setting the TE before the bottom rivets are pulled. Is there any reason for this? Thanks in advance Ron ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:27 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flap trailing edge That's an issue with outboard and aft placement. John - $00.02 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flap trailing edge But will they discharge p static correctly? do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie McGough Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap trailing edge While on our trip in the states I was lucky enough to work with Ken K (engineer at Vans) and we built a Aileron and he showed me how to do trailing edge...no proseal glue or anything. He did it and perfectly straight. So I used a large angle iron which you rest trailing edge on...put a weight on each end and start anywhere you like and just back rivet.No proseal. I did the elevators and rudder this way...dead straight and no messy proseal or that extra weight. No discussion needed took about 4 minutes each elevator!! Done no dramas!! Chris RV6 Sold RV10 cone ----- Original Message ----- From: McGANN, Ron To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: RV10-List: Flap trailing edge G'day all, Planning the assembly of the flap trailing edges. I have used the angle iron back rivet method (with Proseal)on the rudder, elevators and ailerons with great success. But the flaps are much longer and exceed the length of my angle iron setup. Has any one uncovered any gotchas or experienced any straightness issues with the flap TEs? I note that the plans call for setting the TE before the bottom rivets are pulled. Is there any reason for this? Thanks in advance Ron ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:19 AM PST US From: Ed Wischmeyer Subject: Re: RV10-List: Static Wicks--need suggestionsStatic Wicks--need --> RV10-List message posted by: Ed Wischmeyer Nope, not spending nearly enough time on the -10. Writing articles, physical therapy, taking a few classes, and looking for a new job. (resume is on line). However, the stabilizer *is* finished. Elevator is almost ready to rivet. Ed ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:26 AM PST US From: "John Kirkland" Subject: RV10-List: Bonding Straps --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland" While I don't plan to deliberately penetrate convective activity, I have seen lightning in the air nearby to my plane while trying my best to circumnavigate by a wide berth. Lightning does whatever it wants to. These bolts were seen far from the rain shafts, and also in clear air that didn't have dust stirred up from the ground in it. Haven't had a strike in an aircraft yet, and don't plan to seek one out. But I am going to be ready. Since we are all pilots and are all currently flying something (aren't we???), go look at it. Walk around the ramp and look at certificated factory-built planes. Poke your head in FBO hangers, with permission. Look at the lessons learned from 100 years of aviation progress. We aren't reinventing the wheel here. The RV-10 is a high performance aircraft per the FARs (another favorite dead horse we beat here), so don't bother looking at Cessna 150s for bonding straps or static wicks. Look at the high end stuff. The hinge setup on a Vans RV-10 for the empennage is just like a Cessna 182, only the brackets and bearings are on opposite surfaces. So on the bearing rod reinforcement plates, at the hole that is either just above or below the BIG hole in the middle, drill it out from #30 to #21 for a #8 machine screw, locate a K1000-08 nutplate there, drill two #40 holes to mount the nutplate. That's one end of the bonding strap. Other end is on the AN3 bolt that goes thru the hinge and bracket. Call Aircraft Spruce and get some 3/8" ground strap, a #10 lug crimp terminal for 10-12 awg (yellow) (AN3 bolt end), a #8 lug crimp terminal in yellow. Make it about 3 or 4 inches long. If you need to see one, go visit the local airport and see how what you are flying now was built. I tried to offer this as a kit to Vans, with parts list and plans markups, but as Brother Cox mentioned, Vans position is DAY VFR only. As for static wicks, Dayton Granger is an expert in both lightening protection and static discharge, I don't think their recommendation is too far off the mark. They do this for a living. I've got pics of how I built mine, I guess I have to sacrifice building time and spend time on the computer uploading them because you guys haven't ever been out to an airport before. Do not archive Nobody searches it anyway ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:03 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bonding Straps From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" It's harder to observe in some places. Out here in Massachusetts, because some of the components they make static discharger out of are "cancer-causing", aircraft registered within the state are not allowed to operate with dischargers. Transient aircraft are exempt, I think. TDT 40025 do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Kirkland Subject: RV10-List: Bonding Straps --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland" While I don't plan to deliberately penetrate convective activity, I have seen lightning in the air nearby to my plane while trying my best to circumnavigate by a wide berth. Lightning does whatever it wants to. These bolts were seen far from the rain shafts, and also in clear air that didn't have dust stirred up from the ground in it. Haven't had a strike in an aircraft yet, and don't plan to seek one out. But I am going to be ready. Since we are all pilots and are all currently flying something (aren't we???), go look at it. Walk around the ramp and look at certificated factory-built planes. Poke your head in FBO hangers, with permission. Look at the lessons learned from 100 years of aviation progress. We aren't reinventing the wheel here. The RV-10 is a high performance aircraft per the FARs (another favorite dead horse we beat here), so don't bother looking at Cessna 150s for bonding straps or static wicks. Look at the high end stuff. The hinge setup on a Vans RV-10 for the empennage is just like a Cessna 182, only the brackets and bearings are on opposite surfaces. So on the bearing rod reinforcement plates, at the hole that is either just above or below the BIG hole in the middle, drill it out from #30 to #21 for a #8 machine screw, locate a K1000-08 nutplate there, drill two #40 holes to mount the nutplate. That's one end of the bonding strap. Other end is on the AN3 bolt that goes thru the hinge and bracket. Call Aircraft Spruce and get some 3/8" ground strap, a #10 lug crimp terminal for 10-12 awg (yellow) (AN3 bolt end), a #8 lug crimp terminal in yellow. Make it about 3 or 4 inches long. If you need to see one, go visit the local airport and see how what you are flying now was built. I tried to offer this as a kit to Vans, with parts list and plans markups, but as Brother Cox mentioned, Vans position is DAY VFR only. As for static wicks, Dayton Granger is an expert in both lightening protection and static discharge, I don't think their recommendation is too far off the mark. They do this for a living. I've got pics of how I built mine, I guess I have to sacrifice building time and spend time on the computer uploading them because you guys haven't ever been out to an airport before. Do not archive Nobody searches it anyway ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:48 PM PST US From: "Brian Sponcil" Subject: Re: RV10-List: N325HP Yeah, I'm curious about that too. Is the prop on 325HP the same as they sell for the Velocity? Or is it one of their "standard" 3 bladed props? $2000 is WAY cheaper than an adjustable hartzell but I wonder about the performance hit (if any). As an aside, I really liked the aerocomposite props I saw at OSH, however I didn't much like the $13k sticker price. Our airport (KIOW) has sand & gravel all over the place so a composite prop would seemingly last a bit longer than the aluminum varieties. -Brian Iowa City, IA ----- Original Message ----- From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:33 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: N325HP Something to keep in mind, the Catto props are fixed pitch. Michael do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 7:45 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: N325HP Congrats on a beautiful project. "Three bladed props for the 540 engines will run from $1850 up to $2350." Got that from cattoprops.com...now that definitely warrants some performance numbers! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:30 PM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bonding Straps --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" What? I must be mis-interpreting what you wrote. My 182 and 206 had static whiskers and they were registered, hangered and maintained in MA. John Jessen #40328 HS -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bonding Straps --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" --> It's harder to observe in some places. Out here in Massachusetts, because some of the components they make static discharger out of are "cancer-causing", aircraft registered within the state are not allowed to operate with dischargers. Transient aircraft are exempt, I think. TDT 40025 do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Kirkland Subject: RV10-List: Bonding Straps --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland" --> While I don't plan to deliberately penetrate convective activity, I have seen lightning in the air nearby to my plane while trying my best to circumnavigate by a wide berth. Lightning does whatever it wants to. These bolts were seen far from the rain shafts, and also in clear air that didn't have dust stirred up from the ground in it. Haven't had a strike in an aircraft yet, and don't plan to seek one out. But I am going to be ready. Since we are all pilots and are all currently flying something (aren't we???), go look at it. Walk around the ramp and look at certificated factory-built planes. Poke your head in FBO hangers, with permission. Look at the lessons learned from 100 years of aviation progress. We aren't reinventing the wheel here. The RV-10 is a high performance aircraft per the FARs (another favorite dead horse we beat here), so don't bother looking at Cessna 150s for bonding straps or static wicks. Look at the high end stuff. The hinge setup on a Vans RV-10 for the empennage is just like a Cessna 182, only the brackets and bearings are on opposite surfaces. So on the bearing rod reinforcement plates, at the hole that is either just above or below the BIG hole in the middle, drill it out from #30 to #21 for a #8 machine screw, locate a K1000-08 nutplate there, drill two #40 holes to mount the nutplate. That's one end of the bonding strap. Other end is on the AN3 bolt that goes thru the hinge and bracket. Call Aircraft Spruce and get some 3/8" ground strap, a #10 lug crimp terminal for 10-12 awg (yellow) (AN3 bolt end), a #8 lug crimp terminal in yellow. Make it about 3 or 4 inches long. If you need to see one, go visit the local airport and see how what you are flying now was built. I tried to offer this as a kit to Vans, with parts list and plans markups, but as Brother Cox mentioned, Vans position is DAY VFR only. As for static wicks, Dayton Granger is an expert in both lightening protection and static discharge, I don't think their recommendation is too far off the mark. They do this for a living. I've got pics of how I built mine, I guess I have to sacrifice building time and spend time on the computer uploading them because you guys haven't ever been out to an airport before. Do not archive Nobody searches it anyway ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:13 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bonding Straps From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" he he <* remove tongue from cheek *> TDT do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Jessen Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bonding Straps --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" What? I must be mis-interpreting what you wrote. My 182 and 206 had static whiskers and they were registered, hangered and maintained in MA. John Jessen #40328 HS -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bonding Straps --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" --> It's harder to observe in some places. Out here in Massachusetts, because some of the components they make static discharger out of are "cancer-causing", aircraft registered within the state are not allowed to operate with dischargers. Transient aircraft are exempt, I think. TDT 40025 do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Kirkland Subject: RV10-List: Bonding Straps --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland" --> While I don't plan to deliberately penetrate convective activity, I have seen lightning in the air nearby to my plane while trying my best to circumnavigate by a wide berth. Lightning does whatever it wants to. These bolts were seen far from the rain shafts, and also in clear air that didn't have dust stirred up from the ground in it. Haven't had a strike in an aircraft yet, and don't plan to seek one out. But I am going to be ready. Since we are all pilots and are all currently flying something (aren't we???), go look at it. Walk around the ramp and look at certificated factory-built planes. Poke your head in FBO hangers, with permission. Look at the lessons learned from 100 years of aviation progress. We aren't reinventing the wheel here. The RV-10 is a high performance aircraft per the FARs (another favorite dead horse we beat here), so don't bother looking at Cessna 150s for bonding straps or static wicks. Look at the high end stuff. The hinge setup on a Vans RV-10 for the empennage is just like a Cessna 182, only the brackets and bearings are on opposite surfaces. So on the bearing rod reinforcement plates, at the hole that is either just above or below the BIG hole in the middle, drill it out from #30 to #21 for a #8 machine screw, locate a K1000-08 nutplate there, drill two #40 holes to mount the nutplate. That's one end of the bonding strap. Other end is on the AN3 bolt that goes thru the hinge and bracket. Call Aircraft Spruce and get some 3/8" ground strap, a #10 lug crimp terminal for 10-12 awg (yellow) (AN3 bolt end), a #8 lug crimp terminal in yellow. Make it about 3 or 4 inches long. If you need to see one, go visit the local airport and see how what you are flying now was built. I tried to offer this as a kit to Vans, with parts list and plans markups, but as Brother Cox mentioned, Vans position is DAY VFR only. As for static wicks, Dayton Granger is an expert in both lightening protection and static discharge, I don't think their recommendation is too far off the mark. They do this for a living. I've got pics of how I built mine, I guess I have to sacrifice building time and spend time on the computer uploading them because you guys haven't ever been out to an airport before. Do not archive Nobody searches it anyway ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:52 PM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bonding Straps --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" Grrrrrr -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bonding Straps --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" --> he he <* remove tongue from cheek *> TDT do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Jessen Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bonding Straps --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" What? I must be mis-interpreting what you wrote. My 182 and 206 had static whiskers and they were registered, hangered and maintained in MA. John Jessen #40328 HS -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bonding Straps --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" --> It's harder to observe in some places. Out here in Massachusetts, because some of the components they make static discharger out of are "cancer-causing", aircraft registered within the state are not allowed to operate with dischargers. Transient aircraft are exempt, I think. TDT 40025 do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Kirkland Subject: RV10-List: Bonding Straps --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Kirkland" --> While I don't plan to deliberately penetrate convective activity, I have seen lightning in the air nearby to my plane while trying my best to circumnavigate by a wide berth. Lightning does whatever it wants to. These bolts were seen far from the rain shafts, and also in clear air that didn't have dust stirred up from the ground in it. Haven't had a strike in an aircraft yet, and don't plan to seek one out. But I am going to be ready. Since we are all pilots and are all currently flying something (aren't we???), go look at it. Walk around the ramp and look at certificated factory-built planes. Poke your head in FBO hangers, with permission. Look at the lessons learned from 100 years of aviation progress. We aren't reinventing the wheel here. The RV-10 is a high performance aircraft per the FARs (another favorite dead horse we beat here), so don't bother looking at Cessna 150s for bonding straps or static wicks. Look at the high end stuff. The hinge setup on a Vans RV-10 for the empennage is just like a Cessna 182, only the brackets and bearings are on opposite surfaces. So on the bearing rod reinforcement plates, at the hole that is either just above or below the BIG hole in the middle, drill it out from #30 to #21 for a #8 machine screw, locate a K1000-08 nutplate there, drill two #40 holes to mount the nutplate. That's one end of the bonding strap. Other end is on the AN3 bolt that goes thru the hinge and bracket. Call Aircraft Spruce and get some 3/8" ground strap, a #10 lug crimp terminal for 10-12 awg (yellow) (AN3 bolt end), a #8 lug crimp terminal in yellow. Make it about 3 or 4 inches long. If you need to see one, go visit the local airport and see how what you are flying now was built. I tried to offer this as a kit to Vans, with parts list and plans markups, but as Brother Cox mentioned, Vans position is DAY VFR only. As for static wicks, Dayton Granger is an expert in both lightening protection and static discharge, I don't think their recommendation is too far off the mark. They do this for a living. I've got pics of how I built mine, I guess I have to sacrifice building time and spend time on the computer uploading them because you guys haven't ever been out to an airport before. Do not archive Nobody searches it anyway ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:02 PM PST US From: GenGrumpy@aol.com Subject: RV10-List: Props For those who might be interested in having a custom built prop, I'm having a 3 bladed c/s prop built by Johnny Downs of Millennium Propellers in Lancaster, TX., tel 469-231-6225, for considerably cheaper than either Hartzel, McCaulley or MT. I am not soliciting for Johnny, but he has been in the prop business for years. He has an FAA action pending, but you need to talk to him about it. Cheers - John #40404 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:53 PM PST US From: "ddddsp1@juno.com" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Props What is CONSIDERABLY cheaper? $2000, $3000? What is CONSIDERABLY cheaper? $2000, $3000? ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:26 PM PST US From: GenGrumpy@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Props I suggest that you contact Mr. Downs for a quote for you. Let's just say that compared to what the 3 manufactures quoted me at Osh for their new ones, I could probably buy 2 of his. He makes his experimental props with either new or overhauled Hartzel components. Mine will be a 6 year or 2,000 hr hub. In a message dated 9/8/2005 10:27:52 PM Central Standard Time, ddddsp1@juno.com writes: What is CONSIDERABLY cheaper? $2000, $3000? ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:46 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Props --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens I can't seem to find any contact info on the web for a Mr. Downs that does propellers. Can you point us in the right direction? Thanks, Sean #40303 GenGrumpy@aol.com wrote: > I suggest that you contact Mr. Downs for a quote for you. Let's just > say that compared to what the 3 manufactures quoted me at Osh for > their new ones, I could probably buy 2 of his. > > He makes his experimental props with either new or overhauled Hartzel > components. > > Mine will be a 6 year or 2,000 hr hub. > > In a message dated 9/8/2005 10:27:52 PM Central Standard Time, > ddddsp1@juno.com writes: > > What is CONSIDERABLY cheaper? $2000, $3000? > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:29 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: panel Just got a picture of my newly cut panel. Trutrak Digiflite II VSGV arrived last week, SL30 and G327 two weeks ago. Chelton Sport arrives Monday. The only delayed item is the GRT EIS 6000. Will take a picture when I get it wired on the bench. Too hot here in the hangar (110f) to work on the airframe. Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:56 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Props --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" IIRC Van's price for a new prop is about $5500. Each of us will have at least 100K in the 10 when finished. I am having difficulty understanding the desire to buy a prop that has an unknown history. I read the accident reports for experimentals and a very significant percentage of the accidents are not related to the airframe/construction but propulsion. alternative engines/alternative props and unapproved engine/prop combination. My only request is please don't increase the insurance rates for the rest of us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Stephens" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Props > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens > > I can't seem to find any contact info on the web for a Mr. Downs that does > propellers. > > Can you point us in the right direction? > > Thanks, > > Sean #40303 > > GenGrumpy@aol.com wrote: >> I suggest that you contact Mr. Downs for a quote for you. Let's just say >> that compared to what the 3 manufactures quoted me at Osh for their new >> ones, I could probably buy 2 of his. >> He makes his experimental props with either new or overhauled Hartzel >> components. >> Mine will be a 6 year or 2,000 hr hub. In a message dated 9/8/2005 >> 10:27:52 PM Central Standard Time, ddddsp1@juno.com writes: >> >> What is CONSIDERABLY cheaper? $2000, $3000? > > >