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1. 12:17 AM - Phone number for Doug Peterson? (LessDragProd@aol.com)
2. 04:24 AM - Re: Re: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans ()
3. 06:46 AM - Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans (Jesse Saint)
4. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans (David McNeill)
5. 07:48 AM - Re: Aft Heater Hose (Jesse Saint)
6. 08:53 AM - Re: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans (UFOBUCK@aol.com)
7. 10:22 AM - Re: Aft Heater Hose (Randy DeBauw)
8. 10:24 AM - Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans (Dan Checkoway)
9. 10:45 AM - Re: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans (David McNeill)
10. 02:06 PM - Re: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans (RV Builder \(Michael Sausen\))
11. 02:06 PM - Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans (RV Builder \(Michael Sausen\))
12. 03:42 PM - Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
13. 04:15 PM - Re: Aft Heater Hose (Sean Stephens)
14. 04:20 PM - Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans (James Ochs)
15. 04:28 PM - Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans (Randy DeBauw)
16. 04:52 PM - Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans (brian bollaert)
17. 05:06 PM - Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans (JOHN STARN)
18. 05:06 PM - Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans (James Hein)
19. 06:02 PM - Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans (John Hilger)
20. 08:12 PM - Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans (Jesse Saint)
21. 09:47 PM - Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans (Rick)
22. 09:54 PM - Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans (Rick)
23. 10:12 PM - Abwesenheitsnotiz - Out of Office Notice (Lorenz Malmstrm)
24. 10:51 PM - Re: Abwesenheitsnotiz - Out of Office Notice (Sean Stephens)
25. 11:11 PM - Abwesenheitsnotiz - Out of Office Notice (Lorenz Malmstrm)
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| Subject: | Phone number for Doug Peterson? |
Hi All,
Does anyone have a phone number for Doug Peterson with the RV-10 in Arizona?
Please contact me off the list. _jim@lessdrag.com_ (mailto:jim@lessdrag.com)
TIA
Jim Ayers
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| Subject: | Re: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
I have some bad experience with Vans at Oskosh too,but my passion for planes is
much stronger then bad attitudes of peopels with a succes products,my conclusion
after my first experience,is instead of develope another new kit,try to improve
and a use some money come from the thousands allready sold to improve marketing
and public relations,that sold products too and keep peoples happy (very
important in the future of the company)
Hugo
>
> From: "Mike Kraus" <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
> Date: 2005/09/22 Thu PM 06:51:48 EDT
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Kraus" <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>
> If you all think Van's kits/plans/service is something to complain
> about, you should try dealing with Murphy Aircraft.... The Moose tail
> kit is just the empennage (no tailcone), has only prepunched skins, and
> is 2x the price of the RV-10 tail cone kit.... Plus 2X the shipping....
> The plans are more like pre RV-3 version 1.0 plans and they won't even
> give you any blueprints because they are afraid someone might steal the
> designs...... The instructions are pretty much just paragraphs full of
> words.....
>
> If you want to order replacement parts, you better order them before you
> mess the part up or it will hold you up....
>
> Van's tries to ship complete kits, but they have never told me in the
> last 2 planes I built that it would all be there.... Especially on what
> is considered a new kit.... Like someone said last week, most of these
> fittings/rivets/hardware etc. you should have as spare parts anyways,
> since you will be maintaining the plane....
>
> Quit wasting time complaining to the list, if you don't like what you
> get for a very reasonable price, go buy a flying plane....
>
> Sorry, I had to vent... One last thing, go build a RV-3 or RV-4 then you
> will appreciate what an all around value the RV-10 is.....
>
> P.S. I don't work for Van's nor am I associated with Van's in any way...
> But I do know the RV-10 is the best quality and complete kit available,
> including the step by step assembly drawings. If you don't like it, I
> guarantee you won't like building anything else out there.
>
> -Mike
> RV-4 Flying
> RV-7 Flying
> RV-10 Flying, someday
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 11:39 PM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> A note about revisions: You cannot trust the plans that come with your
> kit, so verify your plans revisions!!! I bought my FWF kit on
> 5/25/2005. My plans on page FF1-4 were dated something like 1/26/2005.
> One of the recent parts that I thought I was missing has turned up...
>
> I had almost called to complain to Van's about a missing fitting, but as
>
> it turned out, the plans had changed on 2/22/05, and now that fitting
> was no longer required. Don't ask me why when I purchased plans on
> 5/25, 3 months after the revision, they didn't send me a complete set of
>
> plans with the revision in them. This to me is another spectacular
> example of where customer service should absolutely be improved. In
> addition, it would be no major deal for any organized company to send
> out email notices to their RV-10 builders to notify them of plans
> changes.....but I suppose why bother, from what it appears, usually when
>
> they have problems with the plans or parts, they thend to just ignore
> the people who call and tell them anyway.
>
> I'm not trying to beat them up, but I'd think that when someone puts
> down over $40,000 with a company, they'd send them with current set of
> plans, or at least send the revision along with them. That said, I do
> check their site periodically for updates, and I had downloaded and
> printed them all. At the time, I hadn't even received the FWF kit
> plans, so the paper was still stuffed with my finishing kit plans, so it
> got overlooked. I guess I assumed that when you buy a kit, you're
> receiving the latest and greatest plans.
>
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | slightly disapointing visit to vans |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
James,
It seems that there are some at Van's that are more into what they think the
world should look like than the way it actually looks. I haven't soloed yet
either, but I have build an RV-10 (with 2 other people) and plan to do more.
I know more about the way planes work structurally and aerodynamically than
most student pilots, I think, and probably know more about flying than a lot
of student pilots, but have spent more time building, flight planning, back
seat flying and so on than I have actually spent with the stick in my hand.
I would consider myself fairly serious about flying. Most of the people at
Van's are great, but there is at least one "K" than I know of that seems to
care more about knowing what he supposedly knows than about selling airplane
kits and keeping customers happy. Anyway, I'm glad that it worked out for
you to fly with Randy. I am sure the demo with him was much better than it
would have been with Van's.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Ochs
Subject: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vans
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Hey all,
Just wanted to share (gripe) an experience I had at Van's last weekend.
I took a friend of mine over there who helped me build some of my
project, is a student pilot, and is interested in the rv-10, but hasn't
ever flown in one. We got to Van's and Bruce came down to show us the
factory and do the demo flight. After a few questions it came up that
my friend has not soloed yet but was close (he also has his medical /
student pilot cert, its just not signed off yet). Bruce would not fly.
He said that having soloed is a requirement for the demo flight and that
the demo flights were only for "people they felt were serious about
buying a kit, and if he hasn't soloed yet then he can't be serious."
Now I know, and you know, that there are a number of people building, or
getting ready to build who are *about* to begin their PPL and aren't
even close to soloing. Since I had already had a demo ride, of course I
was disqualified as well. Needless to say my friend and I were quite
dismayed at this cavalier dismissal of a potential customer, especially
since the rv-10 demo is something we went prepared to pay $50 for (and
Bruce had the nerve to explain (albeit nicely) that since fuel was
$4.20/gallon they had to be careful about demo flights... let's see, at
$4.20/gal and average of 11-12gph shouldn't that cover expenses for a 10
- 15 minute demo?) I might also add that there was no one else there,
so it wasn't like they were busy either. So for a potential $40,000+
customer with $50 for a 10 - 15 minute ride with nothing else going on
he felt it was worthwile to turn away a customer based on the fact that
they haven't soloed. Nice.
Fortunately, Randy was around and gave us a much better demonstration
than we would have gotten at the factory, even after he had taken me up
the day before! (Thanks Randy!)
Anyway, I guess the bottom line is you can't be serious about flying,
building or owning a plane unless you've soloed. makes me wonder how
anyone gets started ;)
James
#40400
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| Subject: | Re: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
If you haven't already built a kit you do not have the experience necessary
to make a meaningful complaint. Having completed a Glastar and gone through
their bankruptcy, I know firsthand the difference between the kit quality
and service provided by Vans; I assure you that Vans is at the top of the
list. Having obtained an A&P after retiring to build, I see a lot of
questions that could be resolved with a little self education or formal
training.
That said I think the list should be used to ask questions about the kit and
techniques to solve problems rather than complain. Fiy aman Allah
----- Original Message -----
From: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RE: RV10-List: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans
> --> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
>
> I have some bad experience with Vans at Oskosh too,but my passion for
> planes is much stronger then bad attitudes of peopels with a succes
> products,my conclusion after my first experience,is instead of develope
> another new kit,try to improve and a use some money come from the
> thousands allready sold to improve marketing and public relations,that
> sold products too and keep peoples happy (very important in the future of
> the company)
> Hugo
>>
>> From: "Mike Kraus" <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>> Date: 2005/09/22 Thu PM 06:51:48 EDT
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Kraus"
>> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>>
>> If you all think Van's kits/plans/service is something to complain
>> about, you should try dealing with Murphy Aircraft.... The Moose tail
>> kit is just the empennage (no tailcone), has only prepunched skins, and
>> is 2x the price of the RV-10 tail cone kit.... Plus 2X the shipping....
>> The plans are more like pre RV-3 version 1.0 plans and they won't even
>> give you any blueprints because they are afraid someone might steal the
>> designs...... The instructions are pretty much just paragraphs full of
>> words.....
>>
>> If you want to order replacement parts, you better order them before you
>> mess the part up or it will hold you up....
>>
>> Van's tries to ship complete kits, but they have never told me in the
>> last 2 planes I built that it would all be there.... Especially on what
>> is considered a new kit.... Like someone said last week, most of these
>> fittings/rivets/hardware etc. you should have as spare parts anyways,
>> since you will be maintaining the plane....
>>
>> Quit wasting time complaining to the list, if you don't like what you
>> get for a very reasonable price, go buy a flying plane....
>>
>> Sorry, I had to vent... One last thing, go build a RV-3 or RV-4 then you
>> will appreciate what an all around value the RV-10 is.....
>>
>> P.S. I don't work for Van's nor am I associated with Van's in any way...
>> But I do know the RV-10 is the best quality and complete kit available,
>> including the step by step assembly drawings. If you don't like it, I
>> guarantee you won't like building anything else out there.
>>
>> -Mike
>> RV-4 Flying
>> RV-7 Flying
>> RV-10 Flying, someday
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 11:39 PM
>> To: RV10
>> Subject: RV10-List: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans
>>
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> A note about revisions: You cannot trust the plans that come with your
>> kit, so verify your plans revisions!!! I bought my FWF kit on
>> 5/25/2005. My plans on page FF1-4 were dated something like 1/26/2005.
>> One of the recent parts that I thought I was missing has turned up...
>>
>> I had almost called to complain to Van's about a missing fitting, but as
>>
>> it turned out, the plans had changed on 2/22/05, and now that fitting
>> was no longer required. Don't ask me why when I purchased plans on
>> 5/25, 3 months after the revision, they didn't send me a complete set of
>>
>> plans with the revision in them. This to me is another spectacular
>> example of where customer service should absolutely be improved. In
>> addition, it would be no major deal for any organized company to send
>> out email notices to their RV-10 builders to notify them of plans
>> changes.....but I suppose why bother, from what it appears, usually when
>>
>> they have problems with the plans or parts, they thend to just ignore
>> the people who call and tell them anyway.
>>
>> I'm not trying to beat them up, but I'd think that when someone puts
>> down over $40,000 with a company, they'd send them with current set of
>> plans, or at least send the revision along with them. That said, I do
>> check their site periodically for updates, and I had downloaded and
>> printed them all. At the time, I hadn't even received the FWF kit
>> plans, so the paper was still stuffed with my finishing kit plans, so it
>> got overlooked. I guess I assumed that when you buy a kit, you're
>> receiving the latest and greatest plans.
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
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I think we tried to put it over the bracket and it didn't fit so we routed
it under. Just make sure that it doesn't get in the way of the controls. I
imagine it is a little safer going over because of that heat right next to
the fuel lines, but I agree that there didn't seem to be a good way to get
it to fit without crimping and folding it, which would obviously cut the air
flow to next to nothing.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu
Subject: RV10-List: Aft Heater Hose
What the (*&# is up with the 2" aft heater hose going over the fuel valve
bracket that only has 1" vertical space? Anyone routing it under the
bracket or see any problem with this?
Anh
#141
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| Subject: | Re: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans |
What does Fiy Aman Allah mean ???
DNA
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Ahn. I reduced the size to 1 =BD" going over the fuel valve and then stepped it
up to 2" to go into the rear connector. I used white pvc adapters at home depot
and it worked very well. You can buy one that has 2" od and if you remove
the threads it is 1 =BD" on the outside of the other end. Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu
Subject: RV10-List: Aft Heater Hose
What the (*&# is up with the 2" aft heater hose going over the fuel valve bracket
that only has 1" vertical space? Anyone routing it under the bracket or see
any problem with this?
Anh
#141
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| Subject: | Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> you to fly with Randy. I am sure the demo with him was much better than
> it
> would have been with Van's.
I can't comment on the attitude up at Van's, since I've never been to the
factory. Never had a factory demo ride there or at airshows or whatever,
and was never really interested -- it always seemed like it would be a
rushed affair to me. I got my rides from builders.
My 2 cents is -- Randy is the man, and he deserves the $100. Get your ride
from a builder like Randy, who is probably going to be more excited about
taking you up in the first place. And then you really ought to go and name
that builder as the "Finder" on your Finder's Fee form. Call Van's if your
kit didn't have a Finder's Fee Form in the paperwork, and they'll send you
one.
Van's pays out $100 checks to people who are named as the "Finder." So save
the $50 that you would have spent on a very brief ride with Bruce or
whomever, get the ride with the builder, and then name that builder as the
Finder. He gets $100, you get a great ride, and everybody's happy, right?
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (632 hours and LOTS of rides)
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans |
live under the protection of God
----- Original Message -----
From: UFOBUCK@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans
What does Fiy Aman Allah mean ???
DNA
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| Subject: | Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans |
DNA doesn't do anything. You have to spell out do not archive.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of UFOBUCK@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Plans revisions - Don't trust your plans
What does Fiy Aman Allah mean ???
DNA
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| Subject: | slightly disapointing visit to vans |
Excellent idea Dan!
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Ailerons
This one is good for the archives
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vans
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> you to fly with Randy. I am sure the demo with him was much better
> than it would have been with Van's.
I can't comment on the attitude up at Van's, since I've never been to the factory.
Never had a factory demo ride there or at airshows or whatever, and was never
really interested -- it always seemed like it would be a rushed affair to
me. I got my rides from builders.
My 2 cents is -- Randy is the man, and he deserves the $100. Get your ride from
a builder like Randy, who is probably going to be more excited about taking
you up in the first place. And then you really ought to go and name that builder
as the "Finder" on your Finder's Fee form. Call Van's if your kit didn't
have a Finder's Fee Form in the paperwork, and they'll send you one.
Van's pays out $100 checks to people who are named as the "Finder." So save the
$50 that you would have spent on a very brief ride with Bruce or whomever, get
the ride with the builder, and then name that builder as the Finder. He gets
$100, you get a great ride, and everybody's happy, right?
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (632 hours and LOTS of rides) http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | slightly disapointing visit to vans |
I have taken 5 builders or prospective builders for flights. I can tell
you the feeling of putting the stick in your hand and actually flying
the RV10 for 30 min. or so is a real kick. Randy
________________________________
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vans
Excellent idea Dan!
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Ailerons
This one is good for the archives
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vans
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> you to fly with Randy. I am sure the demo with him was much better
> than it would have been with Van's.
I can't comment on the attitude up at Van's, since I've never been to
the factory. Never had a factory demo ride there or at airshows or
whatever, and was never really interested -- it always seemed like it
would be a rushed affair to me. I got my rides from builders.
My 2 cents is -- Randy is the man, and he deserves the $100. Get your
ride from a builder like Randy, who is probably going to be more excited
about taking you up in the first place. And then you really ought to go
and name that builder as the "Finder" on your Finder's Fee form. Call
Van's if your kit didn't have a Finder's Fee Form in the paperwork, and
they'll send you one.
Van's pays out $100 checks to people who are named as the "Finder." So
save the $50 that you would have spent on a very brief ride with Bruce
or whomever, get the ride with the builder, and then name that builder
as the Finder. He gets $100, you get a great ride, and everybody's
happy, right?
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (632 hours and LOTS of rides) http://www.rvproject.com
RV10-List Email Forum -
more:
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| Subject: | Re: Aft Heater Hose |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Excellent topic and solution...
Added it to the RV-10 Wiki
<http://www.rv10wiki.com/index.php?title=Aft_Heater_Hose>
-Sean #40303
do not archive
Randy DeBauw wrote:
>
> Ahn. I reduced the size to 1 going over the fuel valve and then
> stepped it up to 2 to go into the rear connector. I used white pvc
> adapters at home depot and it worked very well. You can buy one that
> has 2 od and if you remove the threads it is 1 on the outside of
> the other end. Randy
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *DejaVu
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:48 PM
> *To:* RV10
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Aft Heater Hose
>
> What the (*&# is up with the 2" aft heater hose going over the fuel
> valve bracket that only has 1" vertical space? Anyone routing it under
> the bracket or see any problem with this?
>
> Anh
>
> #141
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Yes, Randy gets my referral bonus ;) If I had two he'd get both ;)
I have to say having had both the Vans demo and flying with Randy, you
get a much better feeling for the aircraft when you aren't being pushed
to get back to the airport ;) Fly with a local builder if you can!
I sure hope the other four guys send him theirs too ;)
Do Not Archive
James
#40400
Randy DeBauw wrote:
> I have taken 5 builders or prospective builders for flights. I can
> tell you the feeling of putting the stick in your hand and actually
> flying the RV10 for 30 min. or so is a real kick. Randy
>
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV
> Builder (Michael Sausen)
> *Sent:* Friday, September 23, 2005 2:04 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vans
>
>
>
> Excellent idea Dan!
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Ailerons
> This one is good for the archives
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 12:24 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vans
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>> you to fly with Randy. I am sure the demo with him was much better
>> than it would have been with Van's.
>
> I can't comment on the attitude up at Van's, since I've never been to
> the factory. Never had a factory demo ride there or at airshows or
> whatever, and was never really interested -- it always seemed like it
> would be a rushed affair to me. I got my rides from builders.
>
> My 2 cents is -- Randy is the man, and he deserves the $100. Get your
> ride from a builder like Randy, who is probably going to be more
> excited about taking you up in the first place. And then you really
> ought to go and name that builder as the "Finder" on your Finder's Fee
> form. Call Van's if your kit didn't have a Finder's Fee Form in the
> paperwork, and they'll send you one.
>
> Van's pays out $100 checks to people who are named as the "Finder."
> So save the $50 that you would have spent on a very brief ride with
> Bruce or whomever, get the ride with the builder, and then name that
> builder as the Finder. He gets $100, you get a great ride, and
> everybody's happy, right?
>
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (632 hours and LOTS of rides) http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
> ====================================
> RV10-List Email Forum -
> more:
> bsp;
> ====================================
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Well....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Ochs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vans
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Yes, Randy gets my referral bonus ;) If I had two he'd get both ;)
I have to say having had both the Vans demo and flying with Randy, you
get a much better feeling for the aircraft when you aren't being pushed
to get back to the airport ;) Fly with a local builder if you can!
I sure hope the other four guys send him theirs too ;)
Do Not Archive
James
#40400
Randy DeBauw wrote:
> I have taken 5 builders or prospective builders for flights. I can
> tell you the feeling of putting the stick in your hand and actually
> flying the RV10 for 30 min. or so is a real kick. Randy
>
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV
> Builder (Michael Sausen)
> *Sent:* Friday, September 23, 2005 2:04 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vans
>
>
>
> Excellent idea Dan!
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Ailerons
> This one is good for the archives
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Checkoway
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 12:24 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vans
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>> you to fly with Randy. I am sure the demo with him was much better
>> than it would have been with Van's.
>
> I can't comment on the attitude up at Van's, since I've never been to
> the factory. Never had a factory demo ride there or at airshows or
> whatever, and was never really interested -- it always seemed like it
> would be a rushed affair to me. I got my rides from builders.
>
> My 2 cents is -- Randy is the man, and he deserves the $100. Get your
> ride from a builder like Randy, who is probably going to be more
> excited about taking you up in the first place. And then you really
> ought to go and name that builder as the "Finder" on your Finder's Fee
> form. Call Van's if your kit didn't have a Finder's Fee Form in the
> paperwork, and they'll send you one.
>
> Van's pays out $100 checks to people who are named as the "Finder."
> So save the $50 that you would have spent on a very brief ride with
> Bruce or whomever, get the ride with the builder, and then name that
> builder as the Finder. He gets $100, you get a great ride, and
> everybody's happy, right?
>
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (632 hours and LOTS of rides) http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
> ====================================
> RV10-List Email Forum -
> more:
> bsp;
> ====================================
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
Love that logic !!!
Brian Bollaert
#40200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vans
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> > you to fly with Randy. I am sure the demo with him was much better than
> > it
> > would have been with Van's.
>
> I can't comment on the attitude up at Van's, since I've never been to the
> factory. Never had a factory demo ride there or at airshows or whatever,
> and was never really interested -- it always seemed like it would be a
> rushed affair to me. I got my rides from builders.
>
> My 2 cents is -- Randy is the man, and he deserves the $100. Get your
ride
> from a builder like Randy, who is probably going to be more excited about
> taking you up in the first place. And then you really ought to go and
name
> that builder as the "Finder" on your Finder's Fee form. Call Van's if
your
> kit didn't have a Finder's Fee Form in the paperwork, and they'll send you
> one.
>
> Van's pays out $100 checks to people who are named as the "Finder." So
save
> the $50 that you would have spent on a very brief ride with Bruce or
> whomever, get the ride with the builder, and then name that builder as the
> Finder. He gets $100, you get a great ride, and everybody's happy, right?
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (632 hours and LOTS of rides)
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans |
"rv-list" <rv-list@matronics.com>
RE: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vansSeveral years ago I took a ride
at Bakersfield, it was most expensive "FREE" $100,000 ride ever. BUT it was
(and is) worth every penny. No pre-punched, No pre-drilled. No pre-measured,
No perfect plans, Build your own jig nor any QB stuff either.
In the words of the great John Harmon: "Just build the damn thing". 8*)
HRII N561FS 270 hs & counting.
Waiting for a look at the LSA RV-12.
KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy DeBauw
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 3:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vans
I have taken 5 builders or prospective builders for flights. I can tell you the
feeling of putting the stick in your hand and actually flying the RV10 for
30 min. or so is a real kick. Randy
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| Subject: | Re: slightly disapointing visit to vans |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Hey Y'all!
Anyone with a flying RV-10.... If you visit the east coast,
*please* let me know.. I beg of you for a ride!
I haven't been to Vans, so I'm building something I have no idea how
well I will like it. (makes sense, no?)
-Jim 40384, Starting Wing kit!
brian bollaert wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
>
>Love that logic !!!
>
>Brian Bollaert
>#40200
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:24 AM
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vans
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>>you to fly with Randy. I am sure the demo with him was much better than
>>>it
>>>would have been with Van's.
>>>
>>>
>>I can't comment on the attitude up at Van's, since I've never been to the
>>factory. Never had a factory demo ride there or at airshows or whatever,
>>and was never really interested -- it always seemed like it would be a
>>rushed affair to me. I got my rides from builders.
>>
>>My 2 cents is -- Randy is the man, and he deserves the $100. Get your
>>
>>
>ride
>
>
>>from a builder like Randy, who is probably going to be more excited about
>>taking you up in the first place. And then you really ought to go and
>>
>>
>name
>
>
>>that builder as the "Finder" on your Finder's Fee form. Call Van's if
>>
>>
>your
>
>
>>kit didn't have a Finder's Fee Form in the paperwork, and they'll send you
>>one.
>>
>>Van's pays out $100 checks to people who are named as the "Finder." So
>>
>>
>save
>
>
>>the $50 that you would have spent on a very brief ride with Bruce or
>>whomever, get the ride with the builder, and then name that builder as the
>>Finder. He gets $100, you get a great ride, and everybody's happy, right?
>>
>>do not archive
>>)_( Dan
>>RV-7 N714D (632 hours and LOTS of rides)
>>http://www.rvproject.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hilger" <ninepapa@nethere.com>
Dan
Excellent idea, and well written as usual.
I am sure Randy likes it also.
John 40359
PS Randy got my referral for the $100.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vans
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> > you to fly with Randy. I am sure the demo with him was much better than
> > it
> > would have been with Van's.
>
> I can't comment on the attitude up at Van's, since I've never been to the
> factory. Never had a factory demo ride there or at airshows or whatever,
> and was never really interested -- it always seemed like it would be a
> rushed affair to me. I got my rides from builders.
>
> My 2 cents is -- Randy is the man, and he deserves the $100. Get your
ride
> from a builder like Randy, who is probably going to be more excited about
> taking you up in the first place. And then you really ought to go and
name
> that builder as the "Finder" on your Finder's Fee form. Call Van's if
your
> kit didn't have a Finder's Fee Form in the paperwork, and they'll send you
> one.
>
> Van's pays out $100 checks to people who are named as the "Finder." So
save
> the $50 that you would have spent on a very brief ride with Bruce or
> whomever, get the ride with the builder, and then name that builder as the
> Finder. He gets $100, you get a great ride, and everybody's happy, right?
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (632 hours and LOTS of rides)
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
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| Subject: | slightly disapointing visit to vans |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
The east coast is pretty big. If you catch us in North Central Florida on
the right day you're on...or in...or up...whatever.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Subject: Re: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vans
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Hey Y'all!
Anyone with a flying RV-10.... If you visit the east coast,
*please* let me know.. I beg of you for a ride!
I haven't been to Vans, so I'm building something I have no idea how
well I will like it. (makes sense, no?)
-Jim 40384, Starting Wing kit!
brian bollaert wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
>
>Love that logic !!!
>
>Brian Bollaert
>#40200
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:24 AM
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: slightly disapointing visit to vans
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>>you to fly with Randy. I am sure the demo with him was much better than
>>>it
>>>would have been with Van's.
>>>
>>>
>>I can't comment on the attitude up at Van's, since I've never been to the
>>factory. Never had a factory demo ride there or at airshows or whatever,
>>and was never really interested -- it always seemed like it would be a
>>rushed affair to me. I got my rides from builders.
>>
>>My 2 cents is -- Randy is the man, and he deserves the $100. Get your
>>
>>
>ride
>
>
>>from a builder like Randy, who is probably going to be more excited about
>>taking you up in the first place. And then you really ought to go and
>>
>>
>name
>
>
>>that builder as the "Finder" on your Finder's Fee form. Call Van's if
>>
>>
>your
>
>
>>kit didn't have a Finder's Fee Form in the paperwork, and they'll send you
>>one.
>>
>>Van's pays out $100 checks to people who are named as the "Finder." So
>>
>>
>save
>
>
>>the $50 that you would have spent on a very brief ride with Bruce or
>>whomever, get the ride with the builder, and then name that builder as the
>>Finder. He gets $100, you get a great ride, and everybody's happy, right?
>>
>>do not archive
>>)_( Dan
>>RV-7 N714D (632 hours and LOTS of rides)
>>http://www.rvproject.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lorenz Malmstrm" <lm@viscomvisual.com>
Ich bin ab dem 10. Oktober 2005 wieder im Bro erreichbar. In dringenden Fllen wenden
Sie sich bitte an unser Sekretariat (031 307 50 50).
I will be in my office again from October 10, 2005. Please contact our front desk
for urgent matters (031 307 50 50).
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Oh great, we're gonna get these until Oct. 10th!
do not archive
Lorenz Malmstrm wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lorenz Malmstrm" <lm@viscomvisual.com>
>
> Ich bin ab dem 10. Oktober 2005 wieder im Bro erreichbar. In dringenden Fllen
wenden Sie sich bitte an unser Sekretariat (031 307 50 50).
>
> I will be in my office again from October 10, 2005. Please contact our front
desk for urgent matters (031 307 50 50).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lorenz Malmstrm" <lm@viscomvisual.com>
Ich bin ab dem 10. Oktober 2005 wieder im Bro erreichbar. In dringenden Fllen wenden
Sie sich bitte an unser Sekretariat (031 307 50 50).
I will be in my office again from October 10, 2005. Please contact our front desk
for urgent matters (031 307 50 50).
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