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1. 12:25 AM - Re: (Paul Walter)
2. 08:44 AM - Re: Cabin Cover Group Buy (Jesse Saint)
3. 08:44 AM - Re: Cabin Cover Group Buy (Jesse Saint)
4. 08:58 AM - Re: Cabin Cover Group Buy (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
5. 09:49 AM - wiring (Jim Wade)
6. 11:33 AM - Re: Cabin Cover Group Buy (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
7. 03:41 PM - Torque tube install (John Hasbrouck)
8. 04:06 PM - Re: wiring (John W. Cox)
9. 04:49 PM - Re: wiring (Jim Wade)
10. 05:40 PM - flap spar: countersink or dimple? (Albert Gardner)
11. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: wiring (Dan Masys)
12. 05:59 PM - damaged fuselage skins (john dalmas)
13. 06:00 PM - Re: wiring (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
14. 06:10 PM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (Deems Davis)
15. 06:16 PM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (Albert Gardner)
16. 06:48 PM - Re: flap spar: countersink or dimple? (Ted on RV list)
17. 07:37 PM - Re: Torque tube install (Richard Sipp)
18. 07:52 PM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (john dalmas)
19. 07:53 PM - Re: Cabin Cover Group Buy (Rick Leach)
20. 09:50 PM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (David McNeill)
21. 10:06 PM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (Deems Davis)
22. 10:34 PM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (DejaVu)
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List: |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Paul Walter" <pdwalter@bigpond.net.au>
Does anyone have additional completed RV 10 photos ?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Byron Gillespie" <bgill1@charter.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Byron Gillespie" <bgill1@charter.net>
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> Sean:
> I did the same thing Tim did - rivet the tail cone locations and glue
> the interior of fuselage. I used "marine goop" from the Walmart aviation
> department. I have used various types of "goop" the past and all have
> performed excellent. Used to secure glass lens to a waterproof case -
> had to break the glass to remove.... Didn't want to chance the exterior
> but if the interior falls off - I still have more goop! If I remember
> right the E6000 is the shoe goo? Someone can verify.
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> Byron #40253
> Ready to paint the interior fuselage bottom before working the cabin
> top.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:21 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List:
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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> I put them outside at the rudder cable exits, and inside at the forward
> rudder cable exits into the cabin from the tunnel. I riveted mine
> in at the tail, but used E6000 on the ones inside the cockpit.
> I'm thinking E6000 might work fine for the ones outside too, but if
> you lost one in flight, you'd have to re-paint the replacement...so it
> may be worth some rivets just for that future small possibility.
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> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Cabin Cover Group Buy |
Very interested
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cabin Cover Group Buy
I have a friend who may be able to secure fabric of the same type usually
used for these covers, get it cut correctly, supply the cut fabric, the
reinforced corner materials, the straps and buckles, and perhaps even have
the N number embroidered on each side, but as a kit. You or someone you
know would sew it where needed. Anyone interested? Probably be half the
prices you are seeing.
John Jessen
40328 HS
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cabin Cover Group Buy
Try getting a price from Kennon Covers from WY.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
Subject: RV10-List: Cabin Cover Group Buy
I just talked to Bruce @ Bruce's Custom Covers. He is quoting $350 for a
cabin cover for the -10. He did mention that if he were making several of
them he could probably cut 10%. Is anybody interested in doing this? Does
anybody have an idea of where we could get a cover more in the range of
$200-250?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Cabin Cover Group Buy |
Same $350 price.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cabin Cover Group Buy
Try getting a price from Kennon Covers from WY.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
Subject: RV10-List: Cabin Cover Group Buy
I just talked to Bruce @ Bruce's Custom Covers. He is quoting $350 for a
cabin cover for the -10. He did mention that if he were making several of
them he could probably cut 10%. Is anybody interested in doing this? Does
anybody have an idea of where we could get a cover more in the range of
$200-250?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Cabin Cover Group Buy |
Also interested.
Bob #40105
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cabin Cover Group Buy
Very interested
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cabin Cover Group Buy
I have a friend who may be able to secure fabric of the same type
usually used for these covers, get it cut correctly, supply the cut
fabric, the reinforced corner materials, the straps and buckles, and
perhaps even have the N number embroidered on each side, but as a kit.
You or someone you know would sew it where needed. Anyone interested?
Probably be half the prices you are seeing.
John Jessen
40328 HS
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cabin Cover Group Buy
Try getting a price from Kennon Covers from WY.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Cabin Cover Group Buy
I just talked to Bruce @ Bruce's Custom Covers. He is quoting
$350 for a cabin cover for the -10. He did mention that if he were
making several of them he could probably cut 10%. Is anybody interested
in doing this? Does anybody have an idea of where we could get a cover
more in the range of $200-250?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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Anyone have some figures on wire sizes and amounts to order. Perhaps a
shopping list??
I am having my panel wired complete, but I still have to go from the panel
to wings, tail ect. Sure would save a lot of thinking time if someone has a
list.
Jim Wade
40834
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Group Buy |
Very Interested.
Thanks,
Doug Preston
40372
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| Subject: | Torque tube install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Does installing the torque tube, aileron bellcrank and aileron pushrod in
the wings before the bottom skins, get in the way of riveting the bottom
skins? I didn't know if you could still get good access to buck rivets with
the tubes in there. BTW, just saw a post from Jim Wade with a kit number
in the 800's. Wow, I didn't know Van's had sold that many yet!
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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Jim - are we really up to kit #834 now?
John - KUAO
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wade
Subject: RV10-List: wiring
Anyone have some figures on wire sizes and amounts to order. Perhaps a
shopping list??
I am having my panel wired complete, but I still have to go from the
panel to wings, tail ect. Sure would save a lot of thinking time if
someone has a list.
Jim Wade
40834
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<9F819487C44F0B4DBDB0CC0450824CEB019B54D5@ehost005-2.exch005intermedia.net>
Sorry, 383. Worked out the wiring, so please disregard previous post.
-------Original Message-------
From: John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: wiring
Jim =96 are we really up to kit #834 now?
John - KUAO
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wade
Subject: RV10-List: wiring
Anyone have some figures on wire sizes and amounts to order. Perhaps a
shopping list??
I am having my panel wired complete, but I still have to go from the panel
to wings, tail ect. Sure would save a lot of thinking time if someone has a
list.
Jim Wade
40834
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| Subject: | flap spar: countersink or dimple? |
I'm currently working on my flaps (section 22 in the plans) and I don't see
any instruction on whether the flaps spar should be countersunk or dimpled.
I measured the spar thickness at .040 inches so it's right on the border
between dimpling and countersinking-I suppose it could go of it either way.
On the other hand I'm pretty sure it should be countersunk if for no other
reason it would be hard to install the flap ribs into a dimpled spar but
maybe I'm wrong. Any help here?
Albert Gardner 40-422
Yuma, Arizona
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
> From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> Date: 2005/09/29 Thu PM 07:05:49 EDT
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: wiring
>
> Jim - are we really up to kit #834 now?
I ordered the -10 tailcone kit at OSH on 7/26/05 and got builder number 40448.
Kit was delivered 8/23/05. Unless some third world airforce just ordered a couple
of hundred of them, seems more likely it would be a typo.
Dan Masys
-7A flying
-10A elevators
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| Subject: | damaged fuselage skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: john dalmas <jdalmas@yahoo.com>
What can be done about damage done to the fuselage
skin? For example: inadvertent drill holes close to
dimpled rivet holes, and small tears in fuselage skin
from bouncing rivet guns? Do these panels need to be
replaced or is there a way to repair them?
John Dalmas
#40399 tailcone
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Ordered mine about April and mine is 40372.
Going fast.
Doug P
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: damaged fuselage skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
John, can you post some pics? It's hard to know without the context.
john dalmas wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: john dalmas <jdalmas@yahoo.com>
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>What can be done about damage done to the fuselage
>skin? For example: inadvertent drill holes close to
>dimpled rivet holes, and small tears in fuselage skin
>from bouncing rivet guns? Do these panels need to be
>replaced or is there a way to repair them?
>
>John Dalmas
>#40399 tailcone
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| Subject: | damaged fuselage skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
Your Acceptable Methods book is a good reference for this-you can look at
this as a repair job and see what will fly according to that guide. Extra
holes can be dimpled and filled with a rivet assuming it's not a 'snowball'
kind of extra hole. Bad tears and cracks may need doublers. How much of this
do you have to deal with?
Albert Gardner,
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
--> RV10-List message posted by: john dalmas <jdalmas@yahoo.com>
What can be done about damage done to the fuselage
skin? For example: inadvertent drill holes close to
dimpled rivet holes, and small tears in fuselage skin
from bouncing rivet guns? Do these panels need to be
replaced or is there a way to repair them?
John Dalmas
#40399 tailcone
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| Subject: | flap spar: countersink or dimple? |
They are dimpled.
Ted French
RV-10 wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Albert Gardner
Sent: September 29, 2005 5:39 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: flap spar: countersink or dimple?
I'm currently working on my flaps (section 22 in the plans) and I don't
see any instruction on whether the flaps spar should be countersunk or
dimpled. I measured the spar thickness at .040 inches so it's right on the
border between dimpling and countersinking-I suppose it could go of it
either way. On the other hand I'm pretty sure it should be countersunk if
for no other reason it would be hard to install the flap ribs into a dimpled
spar but maybe I'm wrong. Any help here?
Albert Gardner 40-422
Yuma, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: Torque tube install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Torque tube install
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
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> Does installing the torque tube, aileron bellcrank and aileron pushrod in
> the wings before the bottom skins, get in the way of riveting the bottom
> skins? I didn't know if you could still get good access to buck rivets
> with the tubes in there. BTW, just saw a post from Jim Wade with a kit
> number in the 800's. Wow, I didn't know Van's had sold that many yet!
>
> John Hasbrouck
> #40264
John:
I had the ailerons and flaps built before skinning the bottom of the wing so
I mounted them, set all the linkage lengths, installed the autopilot servo
and wiring then removed the actuator tubes for the bottom skinning. Trying
to single hand rivet the skins was hard enough with the tubes out.
Dick Sipp
40065
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| Subject: | Re: damaged fuselage skins |
Deems, I have been checking out your website and it
has been very helpful. The top aft skin has been a
bear. I crawled inside the tailcone with the rivet
gun and its spring hit the bulkhead. My helper was
outside the tailcone holding the bucking bar and the
rivet gun bounced away from the rivet/bucking bar and
tore a hole in the tailcone skin. I am thinking about
drilling out the 3 rivets (see pic) and sliding a .016
doubler between the skin and the bulkhead. This would
be held very tightly on the curve with some proseal
and the 3 rivets. ?
Sorry about the picture quality, but I think you get
the idea. Those are small rivets AN426 3-3.5, and the
tear isn't all that big.
--- Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
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> John, can you post some pics? It's hard to know
> without the context.
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> john dalmas wrote:
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> >--> RV10-List message posted by: john dalmas
> <jdalmas@yahoo.com>
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> >What can be done about damage done to the fuselage
> >skin? For example: inadvertent drill holes close
> to
> >dimpled rivet holes, and small tears in fuselage
> skin
> >from bouncing rivet guns? Do these panels need to
> be
> >replaced or is there a way to repair them?
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> >#40399 tailcone
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| Subject: | Cabin Cover Group Buy |
I am a long way from complete but to save some future money, I would be
definitely interested.
Rick Leach
40397
papadaddyo@tampabay.rr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cabin Cover Group Buy
I have a friend who may be able to secure fabric of the same type
usually used for these covers, get it cut correctly, supply the cut
fabric, the reinforced corner materials, the straps and buckles, and
perhaps even have the N number embroidered on each side, but as a kit.
You or someone you know would sew it where needed. Anyone interested?
Probably be half the prices you are seeing.
John Jessen
40328 HS
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cabin Cover Group Buy
Try getting a price from Kennon Covers from WY.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
Subject: RV10-List: Cabin Cover Group Buy
I just talked to Bruce @ Bruce's Custom Covers. He is quoting $350 for
a cabin cover for the -10. He did mention that if he were making
several of them he could probably cut 10%. Is anybody interested in
doing this? Does anybody have an idea of where we could get a cover
more in the range of $200-250?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: damaged fuselage skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
In general the rivet set should be used on the manufactured head of the
rivet. it should be held firmly in place (both hands if necessary) and the
bucking bar should be allowed to slightly bounce on the other end. The
bucking bar can also "shimmed" with baffling material or wood pieces (held
on by tape) to offset it from other metal structures so that when it bounces
it will not damage the inside of the structure with metal to metal contact.
Also helpful is the "rounded flush set" for the 426 rivets, it allows for
less than perfect technique required for the standard flush sets.
Additionally any significant dings to the internal structure should be
sanded out to prevent stress cracks at a later date from the ding. my 2
cents.
----- Original Message -----
From: "john dalmas" <jdalmas@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
> Deems, I have been checking out your website and it
> has been very helpful. The top aft skin has been a
> bear. I crawled inside the tailcone with the rivet
> gun and its spring hit the bulkhead. My helper was
> outside the tailcone holding the bucking bar and the
> rivet gun bounced away from the rivet/bucking bar and
> tore a hole in the tailcone skin. I am thinking about
> drilling out the 3 rivets (see pic) and sliding a .016
> doubler between the skin and the bulkhead. This would
> be held very tightly on the curve with some proseal
> and the 3 rivets. ?
>
> Sorry about the picture quality, but I think you get
> the idea. Those are small rivets AN426 3-3.5, and the
> tear isn't all that big.
>
> --- Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
>> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>
>> John, can you post some pics? It's hard to know
>> without the context.
>>
>> john dalmas wrote:
>>
>> >--> RV10-List message posted by: john dalmas
>> <jdalmas@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> >
>> >What can be done about damage done to the fuselage
>> >skin? For example: inadvertent drill holes close
>> to
>> >dimpled rivet holes, and small tears in fuselage
>> skin
>> >from bouncing rivet guns? Do these panels need to
>> be
>> >replaced or is there a way to repair them?
>> >
>> >John Dalmas
>> >#40399 tailcone
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
John, I agree that the aft top skins are a bear, it seemed that it took
a lot more time on them than the rest of the tailcone skins. I'm not
sure about inserting the .016 between the bulkhead and the skin, I
suspect that adding it would cause problems keeping the 3 rivet holes
aligned, and might put a weird load/twist on the bulkhead itself from
the pics, it;s hard to tell which way the bulkhead tabs (inside the
tailcone) are oriented, it they are oriented 'away' ie. (on the other
side of the rivet line from the tear). you probably have enough room to
fabricate a patch that could be attached from the inside of the
tailcone, dimpled and riveted in place. the tear would be filed and
smoothed and then covered during paint prep. One thing you will want to
make sure of is that the 'tear' itself is cleaned/stop drilled so that
there are no cracks or acute angles where a hairline crack could
continue to grow. Its probably worth a call to Van's to get their input.
(for future reference, I found it easier to keep the rivet gun on the
outside and to have the helper and bucking bar inside)
less than 2 cents
Deems Davis # 406
Empennage attach (wings arrived, finally!)
http://deemsrv10.com/
john dalmas wrote:
>Deems, I have been checking out your website and it
>has been very helpful. The top aft skin has been a
>bear. I crawled inside the tailcone with the rivet
>gun and its spring hit the bulkhead. My helper was
>outside the tailcone holding the bucking bar and the
>rivet gun bounced away from the rivet/bucking bar and
>tore a hole in the tailcone skin. I am thinking about
>drilling out the 3 rivets (see pic) and sliding a .016
>doubler between the skin and the bulkhead. This would
>be held very tightly on the curve with some proseal
>and the 3 rivets. ?
>
>Sorry about the picture quality, but I think you get
>the idea. Those are small rivets AN426 3-3.5, and the
>tear isn't all that big.
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>--- Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
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>>John, can you post some pics? It's hard to know
>>without the context.
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>>>What can be done about damage done to the fuselage
>>>skin? For example: inadvertent drill holes close
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>>>dimpled rivet holes, and small tears in fuselage
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>>skin
>>>from bouncing rivet guns? Do these panels need to
>>be
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>>>#40399 tailcone
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
Hey John,
I see that you made it to the list. I had one of those on an elevator. If
the extra hole is small enough, drill it to size, deburr/dimple as usual and
set a rivet in place. It looks like there might be a small crack. Look at
it carefully with a magnifying glass. Stop drill the crack if there is a
crack. Then I would set a rivet in place with a doubler underneath.
Anh
#141
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From: "john dalmas" <jdalmas@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
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> What can be done about damage done to the fuselage
> skin? For example: inadvertent drill holes close to
> dimpled rivet holes, and small tears in fuselage skin
> from bouncing rivet guns? Do these panels need to be
> replaced or is there a way to repair them?
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> John Dalmas
> #40399 tailcone
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