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1. 03:50 AM - Re: flap spar: countersink or dimple? (Mike Kraus)
2. 03:51 AM - Re: Torque tube install (Mike Kraus)
3. 06:14 AM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (Jesse Saint)
4. 08:13 AM - Cabin Cover Group Buy (Jay Brinkmeyer)
5. 08:27 AM - Re: flap spar: countersink or dimple? (Scott Schroeder)
6. 08:29 AM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (John Jessen)
7. 08:36 AM - Re: Cabin Cover Group Buy (John Jessen)
8. 09:09 AM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (Jesse Saint)
9. 09:31 AM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (Sean Stephens)
10. 09:34 AM - corrosion protection of the outer skins (James Ochs)
11. 09:48 AM - Re: flap spar: countersink or dimple? (John Hasbrouck)
12. 09:50 AM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (John Hasbrouck)
13. 10:05 AM - Re: flap spar: countersink or dimple? (James Ochs)
14. 10:11 AM - Re: flap spar: countersink or dimple? (Sean Stephens)
15. 10:12 AM - Re: Temporary Wheels - Correct pictures this time (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
16. 10:27 AM - Builder assistance available (Bud Newhall)
17. 10:35 AM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (Tim Olson)
18. 11:01 AM - Re: flap spar: countersink or dimple? (Scott Schroeder)
19. 11:12 AM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (Jesse Saint)
20. 02:13 PM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (Jim Combs)
21. 05:11 PM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (Rick)
22. 05:34 PM - Re: damaged fuselage skins (brian bollaert)
23. 05:49 PM - vetterman exaust (brian bollaert)
24. 08:03 PM - Re: vetterman exhaust (Marcus Cooper)
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| Subject: | flap spar: countersink or dimple? |
I just got done dimpling and priming mine, made them bow some, but not
enough to hurt anything once riveted. I prefer dimpling over
countersinking wherever possible. For me it is more consistent and I
don't like how thin the material gets at the bottom of a countersink....
-Mike
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert
Gardner
Subject: RV10-List: flap spar: countersink or dimple?
I'm currently working on my flaps (section 22 in the plans) and I don't
see any instruction on whether the flaps spar should be countersunk or
dimpled. I measured the spar thickness at .040 inches so it's right on
the border between dimpling and countersinking-I suppose it could go of
it either way. On the other hand I'm pretty sure it should be
countersunk if for no other reason it would be hard to install the flap
ribs into a dimpled spar but maybe I'm wrong. Any help here?
Albert Gardner 40-422
Yuma, Arizona
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| Subject: | Torque tube install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Kraus" <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
They do get in the way.... I'd rivet on all the skins then install them
for good.
-Mike
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Hasbrouck
Subject: RV10-List: Torque tube install
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck"
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Does installing the torque tube, aileron bellcrank and aileron pushrod
in
the wings before the bottom skins, get in the way of riveting the bottom
skins? I didn't know if you could still get good access to buck rivets
with
the tubes in there. BTW, just saw a post from Jim Wade with a kit
number
in the 800's. Wow, I didn't know Van's had sold that many yet!
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | damaged fuselage skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I don't know it this is common or not, but to rivet the skins on the
tailcone we stood it up and had someone stand inside with the bucking bar.
This way we did not stress the ribs or skin. It worked very well this way.
Did anybody else try this?
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john dalmas
Subject: Re: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
Deems, I have been checking out your website and it
has been very helpful. The top aft skin has been a
bear. I crawled inside the tailcone with the rivet
gun and its spring hit the bulkhead. My helper was
outside the tailcone holding the bucking bar and the
rivet gun bounced away from the rivet/bucking bar and
tore a hole in the tailcone skin. I am thinking about
drilling out the 3 rivets (see pic) and sliding a .016
doubler between the skin and the bulkhead. This would
be held very tightly on the curve with some proseal
and the 3 rivets. ?
Sorry about the picture quality, but I think you get
the idea. Those are small rivets AN426 3-3.5, and the
tear isn't all that big.
--- Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
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> John, can you post some pics? It's hard to know
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> >What can be done about damage done to the fuselage
> >skin? For example: inadvertent drill holes close
> to
> >dimpled rivet holes, and small tears in fuselage
> skin
> >from bouncing rivet guns? Do these panels need to
> be
> >replaced or is there a way to repair them?
> >
> >John Dalmas
> >#40399 tailcone
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| Subject: | Cabin Cover Group Buy |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
What is a "Cabin Cover"???
Thanks,
Jay
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cabin Cover Group Buy
I have a friend who may be able to secure fabric of the same type
usually used for these covers, get it cut correctly, supply the cut
fabric, the reinforced corner materials, the straps and buckles, and
perhaps even have the N number embroidered on each side, but as a kit.
You or someone you know would sew it where needed. Anyone interested?
Probably be half the prices you are seeing.
John Jessen
40328 HS
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| Subject: | Re: flap spar: countersink or dimple? |
Hi,
Vans say's that .040 is to thick to dimple and to thin to
countersink, they recommend combining the two, dimple first then with
a rivet on hand use a deburring tool to countersink the rest of the
way checking with the rivet. Here's the quote from the plans,
"(Dimpling the spar is a special case. It is 0.040" thick - a bit
thick to dimple well and a bit thin to machine countersink safely.
So, we combine methods by dimpling first, then enlarging the dimple
with the hand deburring tool. This is done by eye and tested by
dropping a rivet in the hole to determine fit.)"
Scott
On Sep 29, 2005, at 7:38 PM, Albert Gardner wrote:
> I'm currently working on my flaps (section 22 in the plans) and I
> don't see any instruction on whether the flaps spar should be
> countersunk or dimpled. I measured the spar thickness at .040
> inches so it's right on the border between dimpling and
> countersinking-I suppose it could go of it either way. On the
> other hand I'm pretty sure it should be countersunk if for no other
> reason it would be hard to install the flap ribs into a dimpled
> spar but maybe I'm wrong. Any help here?
>
> Albert Gardner 40-422
>
> Yuma, Arizona
>
>
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| Subject: | damaged fuselage skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
How did you insert person? Did you raise the tail cone up with pulleys,
then lower it down on dummy, er, person standing there? Got to see this.
Pictures?
John Jessen
40328 HS and looking for someone a lot skinnier than me.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I don't know it this is common or not, but to rivet the skins on the
tailcone we stood it up and had someone stand inside with the bucking bar.
This way we did not stress the ribs or skin. It worked very well this way.
Did anybody else try this?
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john dalmas
Subject: Re: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
Deems, I have been checking out your website and it has been very helpful.
The top aft skin has been a bear. I crawled inside the tailcone with the
rivet gun and its spring hit the bulkhead. My helper was outside the
tailcone holding the bucking bar and the rivet gun bounced away from the
rivet/bucking bar and tore a hole in the tailcone skin. I am thinking about
drilling out the 3 rivets (see pic) and sliding a .016 doubler between the
skin and the bulkhead. This would be held very tightly on the curve with
some proseal and the 3 rivets. ?
Sorry about the picture quality, but I think you get the idea. Those are
small rivets AN426 3-3.5, and the tear isn't all that big.
--- Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> John, can you post some pics? It's hard to know without the context.
>
> john dalmas wrote:
>
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: john dalmas
> <jdalmas@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> >What can be done about damage done to the fuselage skin? For
> >example: inadvertent drill holes close
> to
> >dimpled rivet holes, and small tears in fuselage
> skin
> >from bouncing rivet guns? Do these panels need to
> be
> >replaced or is there a way to repair them?
> >
> >John Dalmas
> >#40399 tailcone
> >
> >__________________________________________________
> protection around
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| Subject: | Cabin Cover Group Buy |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I assume this was tongue in cheek, but, a cabin cover covers the canopy area
to protect from dirt and dust, weather, UV, snooping eyes. Also available
are wing covers, tail covers and prop covers to help in those frost and snow
months.
Will be getting back to everyone on the details of the canopy cover kit. I
think this is doable. We'll probably get the measurements and practice on
Randy's bird. Randy, that ok with you?
John Jessen
40328 HS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Brinkmeyer
Subject: RV10-List: Cabin Cover Group Buy
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer
--> <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
What is a "Cabin Cover"???
Thanks,
Jay
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cabin Cover Group Buy
I have a friend who may be able to secure fabric of the same type
usually used for these covers, get it cut correctly, supply the cut
fabric, the reinforced corner materials, the straps and buckles, and
perhaps even have the N number embroidered on each side, but as a kit.
You or someone you know would sew it where needed. Anyone interested?
Probably be half the prices you are seeing.
John Jessen
40328 HS
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| Subject: | damaged fuselage skins |
We put it up on a padded table (like the height of a coffee table) or saw
horses, and the person just climbed in from underneath. It may have looked
dumb, but it worked great.
(Note: "Dummy" inside tail cone left out for clarity!)
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
How did you insert person? Did you raise the tail cone up with pulleys,
then lower it down on dummy, er, person standing there? Got to see this.
Pictures?
John Jessen
40328 HS and looking for someone a lot skinnier than me.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I don't know it this is common or not, but to rivet the skins on the
tailcone we stood it up and had someone stand inside with the bucking bar.
This way we did not stress the ribs or skin. It worked very well this way.
Did anybody else try this?
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john dalmas
Subject: Re: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
Deems, I have been checking out your website and it has been very helpful.
The top aft skin has been a bear. I crawled inside the tailcone with the
rivet gun and its spring hit the bulkhead. My helper was outside the
tailcone holding the bucking bar and the rivet gun bounced away from the
rivet/bucking bar and tore a hole in the tailcone skin. I am thinking about
drilling out the 3 rivets (see pic) and sliding a .016 doubler between the
skin and the bulkhead. This would be held very tightly on the curve with
some proseal and the 3 rivets. ?
Sorry about the picture quality, but I think you get the idea. Those are
small rivets AN426 3-3.5, and the tear isn't all that big.
--- Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> John, can you post some pics? It's hard to know without the context.
>
> john dalmas wrote:
>
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: john dalmas
> <jdalmas@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> >What can be done about damage done to the fuselage skin? For
> >example: inadvertent drill holes close
> to
> >dimpled rivet holes, and small tears in fuselage
> skin
> >from bouncing rivet guns? Do these panels need to
> be
> >replaced or is there a way to repair them?
> >
> >John Dalmas
> >#40399 tailcone
> >
> >__________________________________________________
> protection around
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: damaged fuselage skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
That Cub hanging above you get hit by some wind and/or hail? That looks
like a restoration project waiting to happen! :)
-Sean #40303
Jesse Saint wrote:
> We put it up on a padded table (like the height of a coffee table) or saw
> horses, and the person just climbed in from underneath. It may have looked
> dumb, but it worked great.
>
> (Note: "Dummy" inside tail cone left out for clarity!)
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:29 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> How did you insert person? Did you raise the tail cone up with pulleys,
> then lower it down on dummy, er, person standing there? Got to see this.
> Pictures?
>
> John Jessen
> 40328 HS and looking for someone a lot skinnier than me.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 6:14 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> I don't know it this is common or not, but to rivet the skins on the
> tailcone we stood it up and had someone stand inside with the bucking bar.
> This way we did not stress the ribs or skin. It worked very well this way.
> Did anybody else try this?
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john dalmas
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:52 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
>
> Deems, I have been checking out your website and it has been very helpful.
> The top aft skin has been a bear. I crawled inside the tailcone with the
> rivet gun and its spring hit the bulkhead. My helper was outside the
> tailcone holding the bucking bar and the rivet gun bounced away from the
> rivet/bucking bar and tore a hole in the tailcone skin. I am thinking about
> drilling out the 3 rivets (see pic) and sliding a .016 doubler between the
> skin and the bulkhead. This would be held very tightly on the curve with
> some proseal and the 3 rivets. ?
>
> Sorry about the picture quality, but I think you get the idea. Those are
> small rivets AN426 3-3.5, and the tear isn't all that big.
>
> --- Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
>> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>
>> John, can you post some pics? It's hard to know without the context.
>>
>> john dalmas wrote:
>>
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: john dalmas
>>>
>> <jdalmas@yahoo.com>
>>
>>> What can be done about damage done to the fuselage skin? For
>>> example: inadvertent drill holes close
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> dimpled rivet holes, and small tears in fuselage
>>>
>> skin
>> >from bouncing rivet guns? Do these panels need to
>> be
>>
>>> replaced or is there a way to repair them?
>>>
>>> John Dalmas
>>> #40399 tailcone
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>> protection around
>>
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>>>
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| Subject: | corrosion protection of the outer skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Hey all,
I'm working through my tail section and am probably either going to
paint the exterior of the peices when they are all completed or take
them all to a shop to have it painted when the kit is completed. I
looked at my horizontal stabilizer the other day and I noticed that
there was a big handprint (probably mine) that looked kind of gray and
fuzzy (and tough to wipe off so it wasn't just oil). Given that the
whole package wont be ready for paint for probably a year or more is
there something that I should do to ensure that I don't get corrosion
starting on the skins? When I was at vans they apparently put a light
coat of wd40 on them, which I am thinking about doing. Should I clean
it first, and if so with what? Or will the wd take care of it?
Thanks,
James
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| Subject: | Re: flap spar: countersink or dimple? |
Scot,
That's interesting! A combination of dimpling and CS the flap spar was not
mentioned in my plans. The plans I have indicate dimpling of the spar which
is what I did and it worked OK. Step #6 page 22-5 is my reference. Seems to
me that trying to CS after dimpling would result in a big mess.
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Re: damaged fuselage skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Jesse,
Wish I had thought of that! I crawled inside of mine to buck. Laid
lots of padding on the fuse bottom and I didn't hurt a thing.
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| Subject: | Re: flap spar: countersink or dimple? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
A friend of mine just got the "practice kit" from vans and dimple then
countersink are the instructions for the spar there as well.
Interestingly enough, the new practice kit has two projects in it now
and the wing section piece is all prepunched... I kind of liked the old
kit because you knew the prepunched kit was going to be easier and if
you could do the practice kit you knew you were good to go.
In my EAA sheetmetal class the instructor basically said that .040 you
can either dimple or countersink, you just have to be very careful with
the countersink. We used the countersink on the practice kit and it
seemed to do a pretty good job, without removing too much material. I'd
be concerned with dimpling first because it tends to enlarge the hole
which can lead to countersink bit chatter. I'd say just do it however
you feel comfortable, but go really slow and be very careful with each hole.
James
#40400
John Hasbrouck wrote:
> Scot,
> That's interesting! A combination of dimpling and CS the flap
> spar was not mentioned in my plans. The plans I have indicate
> dimpling of the spar which is what I did and it worked OK. Step #6
> page 22-5 is my reference. Seems to me that trying to CS after
> dimpling would result in a big mess.
>
> John Hasbrouck
> #40264
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| Subject: | Re: flap spar: countersink or dimple? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Same here...
-Sean #40303
John Hasbrouck wrote:
> Scot,
> That's interesting! A combination of dimpling and CS the flap
> spar was not mentioned in my plans. The plans I have indicate
> dimpling of the spar which is what I did and it worked OK. Step #6
> page 22-5 is my reference. Seems to me that trying to CS after
> dimpling would result in a big mess.
>
> John Hasbrouck
> #40264
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| Subject: | Temporary Wheels - Correct pictures this time |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Looks like the beginning of a light sport aircraft
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Temporary Wheels - Correct pictures this time
Sorry, grabbed the wrong pictures.
Jim C
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| Subject: | Builder assistance available |
Greetings
You want an RV but don't have the time to build it.
I can help.
I am a machinist by trade. I completed an RV-6 in 2200 hrs. (no
prepunced holes) and assisted on 2 others.
I am available to work on a project full time.
I am located in Lodi, CA.
Bud Newhall
RV-6@comcast.net
209-334-2911
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| Subject: | Re: damaged fuselage skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Now that's a funny picture! That's a creative thinker if I ever
did see one. :) Very good!
Tim
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jesse Saint wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> I don't know it this is common or not, but to rivet the skins on the
> tailcone we stood it up and had someone stand inside with the bucking bar.
> This way we did not stress the ribs or skin. It worked very well this way.
> Did anybody else try this?
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john dalmas
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:52 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
>
> Deems, I have been checking out your website and it
> has been very helpful. The top aft skin has been a
> bear. I crawled inside the tailcone with the rivet
> gun and its spring hit the bulkhead. My helper was
> outside the tailcone holding the bucking bar and the
> rivet gun bounced away from the rivet/bucking bar and
> tore a hole in the tailcone skin. I am thinking about
> drilling out the 3 rivets (see pic) and sliding a .016
> doubler between the skin and the bulkhead. This would
> be held very tightly on the curve with some proseal
> and the 3 rivets. ?
>
> Sorry about the picture quality, but I think you get
> the idea. Those are small rivets AN426 3-3.5, and the
> tear isn't all that big.
>
> --- Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
>><deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>
>>John, can you post some pics? It's hard to know
>>without the context.
>>
>>john dalmas wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: john dalmas
>>
>><jdalmas@yahoo.com>
>>
>>>
>>>What can be done about damage done to the fuselage
>>>skin? For example: inadvertent drill holes close
>>
>>to
>>
>>>dimpled rivet holes, and small tears in fuselage
>>
>>skin
>>>from bouncing rivet guns? Do these panels need to
>>be
>>
>>>replaced or is there a way to repair them?
>>>
>>>John Dalmas
>>>#40399 tailcone
>>>
>>>__________________________________________________
>>
>>protection around
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>Subscriptions page,
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| Subject: | Re: flap spar: countersink or dimple? |
Hi,
Sorry, should have been more specific. The instructions came from the Van's Training
Project., where you contruct a piece of a control surface. I thought I
remembered it, looked it up and sure enough there it was, I figured it may be
relevant since this is exactly what you were talking about. Here's the scanned
image of the relevant portion of the plans. When I did it, sure enough the
dimple wasn't quite deep enough to accept the dimpled skin. 2 -4 turns of the
deburring bit in a cordless screwdriver left plenty of material in the dimpled
spar and allowed for the skin to sit in flush. Thought it might be useful
information.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hasbrouck
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: flap spar: countersink or dimple?
Scot,
That's interesting! A combination of dimpling and CS the flap spar was
not mentioned in my plans. The plans I have indicate dimpling of the spar which
is what I did and it worked OK. Step #6 page 22-5 is my reference. Seems
to me that trying to CS after dimpling would result in a big mess.
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | damaged fuselage skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Actually, that Cub got hit by machetes and spears. It was used as a prop in
a movie (www.endofthespear.com). We got a couple of messed up wings and a
fuselage that would probably never be able to fly again anyway and put that
together.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: Re: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
That Cub hanging above you get hit by some wind and/or hail? That looks
like a restoration project waiting to happen! :)
-Sean #40303
Jesse Saint wrote:
> We put it up on a padded table (like the height of a coffee table) or saw
> horses, and the person just climbed in from underneath. It may have
looked
> dumb, but it worked great.
>
> (Note: "Dummy" inside tail cone left out for clarity!)
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:29 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> How did you insert person? Did you raise the tail cone up with pulleys,
> then lower it down on dummy, er, person standing there? Got to see this.
> Pictures?
>
> John Jessen
> 40328 HS and looking for someone a lot skinnier than me.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 6:14 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> I don't know it this is common or not, but to rivet the skins on the
> tailcone we stood it up and had someone stand inside with the bucking bar.
> This way we did not stress the ribs or skin. It worked very well this
way.
> Did anybody else try this?
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john dalmas
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:52 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
>
> Deems, I have been checking out your website and it has been very
helpful.
> The top aft skin has been a bear. I crawled inside the tailcone with the
> rivet gun and its spring hit the bulkhead. My helper was outside the
> tailcone holding the bucking bar and the rivet gun bounced away from the
> rivet/bucking bar and tore a hole in the tailcone skin. I am thinking
about
> drilling out the 3 rivets (see pic) and sliding a .016 doubler between the
> skin and the bulkhead. This would be held very tightly on the curve with
> some proseal and the 3 rivets. ?
>
> Sorry about the picture quality, but I think you get the idea. Those are
> small rivets AN426 3-3.5, and the tear isn't all that big.
>
> --- Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
>> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>
>> John, can you post some pics? It's hard to know without the context.
>>
>> john dalmas wrote:
>>
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: john dalmas
>>>
>> <jdalmas@yahoo.com>
>>
>>> What can be done about damage done to the fuselage skin? For
>>> example: inadvertent drill holes close
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> dimpled rivet holes, and small tears in fuselage
>>>
>> skin
>> >from bouncing rivet guns? Do these panels need to
>> be
>>
>>> replaced or is there a way to repair them?
>>>
>>> John Dalmas
>>> #40399 tailcone
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>> protection around
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
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| Subject: | damaged fuselage skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Yes!
I did that too! I was afraid to mention that on the list, but it does work! You
have to be carefull with the corner piece next to the baggage door though.
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I don't know it this is common or not, but to rivet the skins on the
tailcone we stood it up and had someone stand inside with the bucking bar.
This way we did not stress the ribs or skin. It worked very well this way.
Did anybody else try this?
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john dalmas
Subject: Re: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
Deems, I have been checking out your website and it
has been very helpful. The top aft skin has been a
bear. I crawled inside the tailcone with the rivet
gun and its spring hit the bulkhead. My helper was
outside the tailcone holding the bucking bar and the
rivet gun bounced away from the rivet/bucking bar and
tore a hole in the tailcone skin. I am thinking about
drilling out the 3 rivets (see pic) and sliding a .016
doubler between the skin and the bulkhead. This would
be held very tightly on the curve with some proseal
and the 3 rivets. ?
Sorry about the picture quality, but I think you get
the idea. Those are small rivets AN426 3-3.5, and the
tear isn't all that big.
--- Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> John, can you post some pics? It's hard to know
> without the context.
>
> john dalmas wrote:
>
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: john dalmas
> <jdalmas@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> >What can be done about damage done to the fuselage
> >skin? For example: inadvertent drill holes close
> to
> >dimpled rivet holes, and small tears in fuselage
> skin
> >from bouncing rivet guns? Do these panels need to
> be
> >replaced or is there a way to repair them?
> >
> >John Dalmas
> >#40399 tailcone
> >
> >__________________________________________________
> protection around
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> browse
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| Subject: | Re: damaged fuselage skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
My suggestion is to either replace the part or stop drill the tear at all corners
and apply a patch IAW the AC 41.31. If left as is it will expand and eventually
cause a skin failure. My 2 penny's.
Rick S.
40185
Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: damaged fuselage skins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
looking forward to seeing the movie Jesse ! looks interesting .
Brian Bollaert
#40200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> Actually, that Cub got hit by machetes and spears. It was used as a prop
in
> a movie (www.endofthespear.com). We got a couple of messed up wings and a
> fuselage that would probably never be able to fly again anyway and put
that
> together.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:30 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> That Cub hanging above you get hit by some wind and/or hail? That looks
> like a restoration project waiting to happen! :)
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> Jesse Saint wrote:
> > We put it up on a padded table (like the height of a coffee table) or
saw
> > horses, and the person just climbed in from underneath. It may have
> looked
> > dumb, but it worked great.
> >
> > (Note: "Dummy" inside tail cone left out for clarity!)
> >
> > Jesse Saint
> > I-TEC, Inc.
> > jesse@itecusa.org
> > www.itecusa.org
> > W: 352-465-4545
> > C: 352-427-0285
> > F: 815-377-3694
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:29 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
> >
> > How did you insert person? Did you raise the tail cone up with pulleys,
> > then lower it down on dummy, er, person standing there? Got to see
this.
> > Pictures?
> >
> > John Jessen
> > 40328 HS and looking for someone a lot skinnier than me.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 6:14 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
> >
> > I don't know it this is common or not, but to rivet the skins on the
> > tailcone we stood it up and had someone stand inside with the bucking
bar.
> > This way we did not stress the ribs or skin. It worked very well this
> way.
> > Did anybody else try this?
> >
> > Jesse Saint
> > I-TEC, Inc.
> > jesse@itecusa.org
> > www.itecusa.org
> > W: 352-465-4545
> > C: 352-427-0285
> > F: 815-377-3694
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john dalmas
> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:52 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: damaged fuselage skins
> >
> > Deems, I have been checking out your website and it has been very
> helpful.
> > The top aft skin has been a bear. I crawled inside the tailcone with
the
> > rivet gun and its spring hit the bulkhead. My helper was outside the
> > tailcone holding the bucking bar and the rivet gun bounced away from the
> > rivet/bucking bar and tore a hole in the tailcone skin. I am thinking
> about
> > drilling out the 3 rivets (see pic) and sliding a .016 doubler between
the
> > skin and the bulkhead. This would be held very tightly on the curve
with
> > some proseal and the 3 rivets. ?
> >
> > Sorry about the picture quality, but I think you get the idea. Those
are
> > small rivets AN426 3-3.5, and the tear isn't all that big.
> >
> > --- Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
> >> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> >>
> >> John, can you post some pics? It's hard to know without the context.
> >>
> >> john dalmas wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> --> RV10-List message posted by: john dalmas
> >>>
> >> <jdalmas@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >>> What can be done about damage done to the fuselage skin? For
> >>> example: inadvertent drill holes close
> >>>
> >> to
> >>
> >>> dimpled rivet holes, and small tears in fuselage
> >>>
> >> skin
> >> >from bouncing rivet guns? Do these panels need to
> >> be
> >>
> >>> replaced or is there a way to repair them?
> >>>
> >>> John Dalmas
> >>> #40399 tailcone
> >>>
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>>
> >> protection around
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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| Subject: | vetterman exaust |
I am posting this info re: the vetterman exaust system for the -10 , i purchased the system from Vans (good system ) instructions for this system do not come in the firewall forward kit ! , the instructions in the box are 2 hand sketches on 8 1/2 by 11 pages thats ok for someone who is familier with doing this sort of thing , but for those that are not good instructions and pics are invaluable . It turns out that there are 2 companies that make this sytem Larry Vetterman & his company makes the pipes from the engine to the exaust muffler then http://www.aircraftexhaust.net makes the muffler back they have some good pics on there web site (the contact at the 2nd co is Chris Stepp) .
Adjusting the brackets left &b right at the end were chalanging to say the least
!
Any comments about this from anyone else ?
Brian Bollaert
#40200
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| Subject: | vetterman exhaust |
Just to confirm, does the RV-10 exhaust system include a muffler? I
couldn't find any reference to the -10 exhaust other than it's included in
the firewall forward kit on Van's website. The other exhaust systems don't
include a muffler but I'm sure it would be nice. It seems like I remember a
note some time ago from one of the folks with a flying -10 that it was
pretty quiet.
Next question, does anyone know if there's any significant thrust loss due
to the muffler?
Thanks,
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian bollaert
Subject: RV10-List: vetterman exaust
I am posting this info re: the vetterman exaust system for the -10 , i
purchased the system from Vans (good system ) instructions for this system
do not come in the firewall forward kit ! , the instructions in the box are
2 hand sketches on 8 1/2 by 11 pages thats ok for someone who is familier
with doing this sort of thing , but for those that are not good instructions
and pics are invaluable . It turns out that there are 2 companies that make
this sytem Larry Vetterman & his company makes the pipes from the engine to
the exaust muffler then http://www.aircraftexhaust.net makes the muffler
back they have some good pics on there web site (the contact at the 2nd co
is Chris Stepp) .
Adjusting the brackets left &b right at the end were chalanging to say the
least !
Any comments about this from anyone else ?
Brian Bollaert
#40200
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