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1. 06:32 AM - Re: Conduit, Wires, Decisions! (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 06:59 AM - Re: Conduit, Wires, Decisions! (William Curtis)
3. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Cowling Quick Fastners (Sean Stephens)
4. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: Cowling Quick Fastners (Tim Olson)
5. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: Conduit, Wires, Decisions! (Jim Wade)
6. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Cowling Quick Fastners (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Cowling Quick Fastners (Sean Stephens)
8. 12:09 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Testing (William Curtis)
9. 01:48 PM - Real time and cost to build? From a new subscriber (Mike Lee)
10. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: Cowling Quick Fastners (Dave & Brenda Emond)
11. 03:37 PM - Re: Real time and cost to build? From a new subscriber (Rick)
12. 05:27 PM - Re: RV10 Builder in Houston ? (DOUGPFLYRV@AOL.COM)
13. 07:28 PM - Re: Real time and cost to build? From a new subscriber (John Jessen)
14. 10:52 PM - Interior Paint Options (McGANN, Ron)
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| Subject: | Conduit, Wires, Decisions! |
Tefzel can be poisonous if it smokes also, just doesn't smoke as easy as PVC.
I don't believe you can find a type of plastic that doesn't emit noxious fumes
if it smokes. Not too concerned anyway as the fuse will blow way before it gets
through the insulation and to the ABS.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Flaps
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Conduit, Wires, Decisions!
One thing to consider; check what happens if you have an electrical fire or smoldering
due to a short. Will the conduit give off poisonous fumes and will they
get to the cabin?
----- Original Message -----
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Conduit, Wires, Decisions!
Sounds about right. I used thin wall ABS irrigation pipe somewhere around
7/8". Should be pulling all my wires in about 3-4 weeks and I'll know if
it's enough then. For me it's:
LEFT WING
-Nav Ant
-Position lights
-strobe
=09
-Duck HID
-pitot heat
-TT AP Servo (run separate)
-AOA tap (run separate)
-Pitot tube (run with AOA tap)
RIGHT WING
=09
-Nav Ant
-MB antenna
-Position lights
-strobe
=09
-Duck HID (maybe)
-Trim servo (Run separately)
=09
Couple things to note, I ran some of those separate mainly because the
existing tooling holes in the ribs made it more convenient and I wouldn't have
to tap off the conduit. No stall warning wiring because the AOA is much more
accurate as a stall warning device so I didn't install the stall vane.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Flaps
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 3:01 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Conduit, Wires, Decisions!
=09
=09
Although it's almost a necessity in parts of the fuselage, you can easily
get by with just the snap bushings in the wings. Only thing I did was use
the next larger size (625-7 called out, I used 625-8). For those new to the list,
also consider that you may have wingtip nav antenna coax (one or both wings),
marker beacon antenna coax, and/or the AOA pressure tap lines.
My specific configuration included all of the above (navs in both wingtips),
Whelen strobe/nav lights, Van's landing lights, heated pitot, standard stall
warning and the TruTrak roll servo.
Bob #40105
=09
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:29 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Conduit, Wires, Decisions!
I've been trying to decide on what type and size of conduit to use, and
would like suggestions from the group. I would rather not use Van's conduit because
I am not fond of corrugated conduit and If it it like the stuff I used
before on other applications, after 20 years or so it will disintegrate.
=09
So, I'm thinking of PVC electrical conduit. So far so good, except what
size? This stuff all has 1/8" walls, so add 1/4" to the I.D. to get the O.D.
=09
But, how far can I enlarge the rib holes before I get into trouble? would
3/4" (1.05" O.D) be too large?
=09
(I did look at Teflon conduit/tubing, from McMaster-Carr, which has a 1/16"
wall, but it's $5 per foot! Ouch!)
=09
I plan on having the following installed in the wings (left wing for example)
1. Whelean Strobes
2. Duckworks HID lights
3. Van's Landing Light (yep, both; Van's tip light to be used as a
taxi light)
4. Nav lights
5. Heated Pitot
6. The Kit's stall warning system
7. Facet Fuel pump for tip tank transfer (3amp)
8. TruTrak roll servo
=09
If you've already done something similar, what is the wire bundle size?
=09
Decisions, Decisions... What have I gotten myself into?
=09
-Jim 40384 (Still deburring the wing ribs..)
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| Subject: | Re: Conduit, Wires, Decisions! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@core.com>
Jim,
See my wing electrical configuration here:
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/07Wings/index7.html
with wiring overview here:
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/RV10Electrical_v3b.pdf
William Curtis
40237 - Wings
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Quick Fastners |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
For those of you who have tested your tanks, what did you use to seal
the fuel pickup hole where the finger strainer is. The wing kit doesn't
come with a bulkhead union, which I assume goes in there and comes with
a later kit?
Thanks,
Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Quick Fastners |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I think I just used a NPT pipe thread plug when I did mine.
The strainer was not installed at that time.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current section: Paint Prep.
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Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> For those of you who have tested your tanks, what did you use to seal
> the fuel pickup hole where the finger strainer is. The wing kit doesn't
> come with a bulkhead union, which I assume goes in there and comes with
> a later kit?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean #40303
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Conduit, Wires, Decisions! |
William, great website. Somehow I have missed finding it before.
Jim Wade
40383-Wings & Fuselage
-------Original Message-------
From: William Curtis
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Conduit, Wires, Decisions!
--> RV10-List message posted by: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@core.com>
Jim,
See my wing electrical configuration here:
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/07Wings/index7.html
with wiring overview here:
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/RV10Electrical_v3b.pdf
William Curtis
40237 - Wings
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Quick Fastners |
If the finger strainer is installed, pick up a 3/8 NPT plug from Home depot or
wherever.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Flaps
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Cowling Quick Fastners
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
For those of you who have tested your tanks, what did you use to seal the fuel
pickup hole where the finger strainer is. The wing kit doesn't come with a bulkhead
union, which I assume goes in there and comes with a later kit?
Thanks,
Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Quick Fastners |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Thanks again all, Sorry about the wrong subject title.
-Sean #40303
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> If the finger strainer is installed, pick up a 3/8 NPT plug from Home
> depot or wherever.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Flaps
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:39 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Cowling Quick Fastners
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> For those of you who have tested your tanks, what did you use to seal
> the fuel pickup hole where the finger strainer is. The wing kit
> doesn't come with a bulkhead union, which I assume goes in there and
> comes with a later kit?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean #40303
>
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| Subject: | RE: Fuel Tank Testing |
The Van's fuel tank test kit is useless for the RV-10. As noted here: http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/07Wings/wings59a.html I used AN-913-6 plug at the finger strainer. The Vans kit comes with a -6 cap for the other RVs, but is useless on the -10. The plugs are also useful when you put the wings/tanks in storage. Keep out any little critters.
>For those of you who have tested your tanks, what did you use
>to seal the fuel pickup hole where the finger strainer is.
>The wing kit doesn't come with a bulkhead union, which I
>assume goes in there and comes with a later kit?
William Curtis
40237 - wings
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Real time and cost to build? From a new subscriber |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lee" <miklleen@hotmail.com>
OK I am sure this has been asked before, but maybe someoneone could send me
copies of any list digests with information on this, or just reply directly.
I am ver seriously considering an RV-10 project. What I would like is
information from real builders on the following:
Assuming the following:
1) RV-10 Quick build kit
2) Builder has good mechanical aptitude and electonics experience.
3) Never built an airplane before, or any project of this size.
4) Planning to keep customizations to a minimum.
5) Need to keep costs down, planning on finding a used mid time engine, CS
prop, analog engine gauges, basic JPI engine monitor, will shell out $ for a
Garmin 530 / 430 combo and indicators.
6) Want an IFR platform (hence the 530 / 430 combo)
7) GPS / Nav coupled auto pilot with altitude hold.
8) Will paint myself, will have uphoulstry done.
9) Basic sound proofing.
10) Wingtip stobes, plus stobe beacon, otherwise standard lighting with taxi
/ landing light.
Can I get an estimate of build time and costs? What types of unexpected
costs that are not in the above are there?
Anyone else out there with similar goals / expectaions?
What are other builders doing to keep costs down?
I know I can save some $$ by buying a standard kit instead of a quick build,
but I have a need to have the aircraft done in less than a year, working
evenings and weekends.
THANKS!!!!! for any and all help!
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Quick Fastners |
Thanks Stein
----- Original Message -----
From: SteinAir, Inc.
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Cowling Quick Fastners
They are "skybolt" fasteners and are really quite nice to use. They aren't cheap,
but then again you get what you pay for! After using both the hinge pins
and fasteners, I'll never go back to hinge pins again.
http://www.skybolt.com
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave & Brenda Emond
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:24 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cowling Quick Fastners
I recall reading about a quick fastner, one size that fits all. You adjust
each fastner to suit the depth of the cowl material and anchor plate. I can't
remember who makes them, or what they are called. I need some help????
Dave Emond
#40159
Busy on Fuse Kit
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| Subject: | Re: Real time and cost to build? From a new subscriber |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Mike,
You don't want much huh? :)
I am slow build about 20 hours a week and have just finished the wings at around
700 hours. I expect it will take me 2.75 to three years to complete. The kit
is very easy to build you just need to develop some riveting skills which has
to be learned through practice but it's easy now, after about 100 practice rivets
I had the hang of it. I am planning a very similar avionics package as have
other in this group. My budget is right around 110K including paint but I am
doing all the work myself. I suggest you visit all the builders sites. Start
with Tim's at 'myrv10.com". You can link to all the others from there. Tim and
Mike Howe list time spent, I think this is Tim's first airplane but Mike has
experience and teaches sheetmetal classes so you can compare the two build times.
If your farming out the avionics Stein and several others on the list can
give you some preliminary figures for that and autopilots. I find the little
things add up like antennas, wiring spare nuts and bolts etc. Read up on all the
others projects, I think Randy posted a build time around 2200 hours but don't
hold me to that. Do an archive search as well....all of your questions I think
have been addressed at least once.
Rick S.
40185
Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Builder in Houston ? |
Thanks for your response Patrick. I was at Hobby but things did not work out
for me to get with u. Maybe another time. Greatly appreciate the offer.
Regards,
Doug Preston
DO NOT ARCHIVE.
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| Subject: | Real time and cost to build? From a new subscriber |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Mike,
Good questions. A trip through the land of RV web sites will help you,
greatly. Also, search the archives. There are many references there as to
the time to build and costs.
I cannot do anything but give you a projected cost range that I came up with
for my purposes (IFR panel, new engine, etc), and that was between $120,000
to $140,000. I hope the estimated range is high; I doubt it.
But to me, the one thing that disturbed me about your post was the "need" to
get this done within a year or less. Randy, the first totally completed
RV-10 to fly, was finished in 20 months, with help, both in terms of
physical labor, but also in terms of subsections being farmed out, such as
the panel. (Randy can fill you in on exactly what were his shortcuts.)
Twenty months is fast, my friend. I expect to take between 24 and 48
months, depending if I, too, go QB, which is still being debated. For a
plane of this complexity, anything south of 24 months would be proud to crow
about, but less than 12? Please don't set that as your goal. This stuff is
doable, but it is not strictly a Lego or erector set.
By the way, I work on it each evening for 2 hours (when I'm not traveling on
business) and each and every weekend for at least 6 hours (when I'm not
being pulled away by others who don't understand the passion and addiction,
but whose needs must be recognized - none of us are total recluses, yet),
and there's no way that I could get it done in less time than Randy's 20
months. I have all the tools, and the requisite knowledge and skills, and
there's no way. In short, enjoy the process, build well and have some
fun...or, buy one already built. I'm sure there will be a few up for sale
soon.
My best,
John Jessen
40328 HS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Lee
Subject: RV10-List: Real time and cost to build? From a new subscriber
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lee" <miklleen@hotmail.com>
OK I am sure this has been asked before, but maybe someoneone could send me
copies of any list digests with information on this, or just reply directly.
I am ver seriously considering an RV-10 project. What I would like is
information from real builders on the following:
Assuming the following:
1) RV-10 Quick build kit
2) Builder has good mechanical aptitude and electonics experience.
3) Never built an airplane before, or any project of this size.
4) Planning to keep customizations to a minimum.
5) Need to keep costs down, planning on finding a used mid time engine, CS
prop, analog engine gauges, basic JPI engine monitor, will shell out $ for a
Garmin 530 / 430 combo and indicators.
6) Want an IFR platform (hence the 530 / 430 combo)
7) GPS / Nav coupled auto pilot with altitude hold.
8) Will paint myself, will have uphoulstry done.
9) Basic sound proofing.
10) Wingtip stobes, plus stobe beacon, otherwise standard lighting with taxi
/ landing light.
Can I get an estimate of build time and costs? What types of unexpected
costs that are not in the above are there?
Anyone else out there with similar goals / expectaions?
What are other builders doing to keep costs down?
I know I can save some $$ by buying a standard kit instead of a quick build,
but I have a need to have the aircraft done in less than a year, working
evenings and weekends.
THANKS!!!!! for any and all help!
Mike
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| Subject: | Interior Paint Options |
G'day all,
I was wondering what options we have for painting the inside of the cabin/fuselage.
I have been using Valspar Super Anzapon (BMS 10-11 similar to Akzo) for corrosion
protection of the emp and wings and I'm very happy with the results. This
stuff is not supposed to be top coated though, (without additional prep work).
I would like to go with internal trim from classic aero designs or similar, but
I'm not clear on what is needed for corrosion protection of the fuse (ie primer)
versus those exposed cabin wear surfaces that need to be 'prettied up'. Has
the general approach been to prime as per the emp/wings and then top coat,
or are there other ways?
Any suggestions or pointers to other info would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Ron
#187 fuse.
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