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1. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit (Rhonda Bewley)
2. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
3. 06:42 AM - Re: Wing order + components (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
4. 06:57 AM - Re: F1069 Skins (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
5. 07:08 AM - Re: Wing order + components (Rick)
6. 07:10 AM - Wing Tip Installation. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
7. 07:13 AM - Re: Wing order + components (Rick)
8. 07:37 AM - Re: F1069 Skins (Tim Olson)
9. 08:08 AM - Re: F1069 Skins (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
10. 08:28 AM - Re: Wing order + components (Jesse Saint)
11. 08:33 AM - Re: Wing order + components (Jesse Saint)
12. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit (Deems Davis)
13. 10:33 AM - Fw: RV10 kit (David McNeill)
14. 11:07 AM - Re: Heated AOA Ports~ 10/08/05 (EMAproducts@aol.com)
15. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: Heated AOA Ports~ 10/08/05 (John Hasbrouck)
16. 01:57 PM - Re: Wing order + components (James Ochs)
17. 02:20 PM - Re: F1069 Skins (Tim Olson)
18. 02:25 PM - 80% Painted (Tim Olson)
19. 02:30 PM - RV10 Kit for Sale (McIntosh, Todd)
20. 03:09 PM - Re: 80% Painted (John Jessen)
21. 03:53 PM - Re: 80% Painted (Jim Combs)
22. 05:48 PM - Re: 80% Painted (Tim Olson)
23. 06:37 PM - Re: 80% Painted (paint gun???) (Marcus Cooper)
24. 06:37 PM - Re: 80% Painted (Deems Davis)
25. 06:45 PM - Re: Real time and cost to build? From a new subscriber (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
26. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit (Robert G. Wright)
27. 07:41 PM - Re: 80% Painted (paint gun???) (Tim Olson)
28. 07:43 PM - Re: Real time and cost to build? From a new subscriber (Tim Olson)
29. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit (Tim Olson)
30. 08:21 PM - Wing Tips Don't Line Up (John Testement)
31. 10:34 PM - Re: Wing Tip Installation. (AndrewTR30@aol.com)
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| Subject: | RE: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
Was there any conversation regarding the FAA's proposed AD on ECI rods
for their clone 360 and pma parts for 540 engines? I believe the part
number is AEL 11750. Parts alone to replace those parts will be
$700/cylinder.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Well: good news,bad news,
1st the bad news, Jan wasn't @ Copperstate, They had a booth but the
girl in the booth said he was out of the country. The only person
available to ask questions to was an RV 7A Builder with an H6
installation who had his plane there (nice!) and has been working w/ Jan
doing some recent testing (There's a recent blurb on the Egg website).
He really wasn't knowledgeable regarding any plans for a-10
installation. And neither was anybody else in the booth. It seems their
sweet spot is the 4cly Lyc 360 market and for that application I think
it's a good fit, it would also be a good fit for anybody that had been
thinking about the Continental for the RV-10. After thinking on this
some more, not withstanding the benefits of lower cost,
reliability(implied), smoothness, newer technology,Mogas etc. I'm
uncomfortable with a), a lesser rated HP (240-??). and b). in order to
get even that HP they have to spin the engine a lot faster than they do
for the 200 hp versions. Close to or @ redline. And then they have to
supercharge it. Seems that's pushing the envelope towards an edge that
hasn't been proved (in aircraft) yet. It may be that this all proves to
be non issues in the future, but I'm looking to get as close to 200mph
out of my 10 as I can (just ego). And going to a less powerful platform,
that's already pushed towards the upperend of it's performance envelope,
isn't where I think I want to be. I'll continue to watch and listen to
any developments, but won't be putting the Subie in any critical path on
my project plan. If theres an RV-10 program in the future @ Egg, then
Jan is probably the only person who knows about it. (And the looks of
those tow mufflers hanging below the cowl also turns me off)
Talked with a couple of other engine builders who were all quoting
prices and functions similar to what has been reported on this list.
They, are sending quotes and options via snail mail.
The good news, (depending on when you need your engine), I spoke with
the ECI/Titan folks and they are well into their 540 program and if you
can wait til next Sept for your engine, they will be ready with all of
the parts, They were partnered with an engine rebuilder from SanAntinio
Tx. who was in the booth next to them, and he indicated that he expected
the price to be just under 30k. His costs estimates were derived from a
combination of 1. what his cost are to build an Titan 360 currently
using ECI parts, and 2. What his cost are to rebuild a 540 using the ECI
cyl assemblies. That's all new everything. with a stronger case, some
improvements where the case and crank mate. That will not include the
roller tappet technology that Lyc is now pushing. (heard a RUMOR that
its not as rosy as hoped for and the added complexity is taking a toll)
I've got some information and a CD that I will need to wade through over
the next few days in order to better compare apples to apples, but it
certainly sounds interesting, and while the timeline is a bit longer
than I'd like, As most projects seem to go that'll probably still end up
within my window.
I looked for an insurance underwriter or agent to ask Michaels question
to, but none were there.
Deems Davis # 406
Wing Ribs
http://deemsrv10.com/
Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton"
<william@gbta.net>
>
>Deems, get all the info you can get out of Jan at Copperstate and
please
>report back. I've been interested in his engines since I first found
out
>about them a couple years back. I was ready to buy one of his 2.5's
when I
>was planning on a RV-7, but now that I'm building a -10 I really hope
he can
>make the H-6 work. The only thing that still bugs me a little is the
high
>RPM's on take off. I know the engines do that all the time in the
cars, but
>it just sounds too high. Probably won't be a problem.
>
>Anyway, please report back if you have time.
>
>Bill Britton
>RV-10 #40137
>Elevators in progress
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:35 PM
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Lycoming Engines
>
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>
>>This is making the Egg/Subie look more and more interesting to me. He'
>>going to be @ Copperstate this weekend, and I look forward to hearing
>>1st hand about his plans for the RV-10 installation.
>>(I just saw on ANN an AD for Lyc 360 & 540 cranks, maybe this is how
Lyc
>>expects to pay for it)
>>
>>Deems Davis # 406
>>Wing Main Spar
>>http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>William Curtis wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Yup, they raised the price of the 260HP IO-540 from $38,990 to
>>>$42,650, an over $3,600 increase. However they now have an offering
of
>>>the 250HP O-540 for $37,500. Other than fuel injection, anyone know
>>>what else is different between these engines? It would seem you could
>>>get the O and add fuel injection for a lot less than $5,150 or FADEC
>>>for a little more. I think I'll be looking at the IO-540 clone from
>>>Aerosport. Maybe in these days of $5 avgas, they will reconsider the
>>>210HP Continental IO-360.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Back to the engine question. I am getting close to ordering one and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>noticed
>>>
>>>
>>>>that Vans prices went up considerably for the IO540. Does anyone
know
>>>>
>>>>
>if
>
>
>>>>this has the new tapped technology?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>William Curtis
>>>40237 - wings
>>>http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | RE: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ball" <jball@eci2fly.com>
Dear ECi Customer,
As you may know, the FAA has issued a Notice of Proposed Rule Making
(NPRM) against ECi connecting rods AEL11750.
It is Eci's position that this NPRM and possible A.D. is totally
unnecessary and that no safety of flight concerns exist.
We have been "working" with the FAA for the past 18 months to convince
them of this but to no avail.
If there is a conformity of the OD of the bearing shell to the bore of
the connecting rod, significant enough to increase the bearing operating
temperature, the failure would occur fairly rapidly ( 1 million cycles
or 10 hours of operation). Certainly within the first 100 hours.
No failures have occurred.
We urge you to comment to the docket recommending against the AD or, at
worst case, to make it effective at TBO.
We are evaluating legal options to address this situation and will keep
you informed.
Regards,
Ed Salmeron
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Bewley
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
Was there any conversation regarding the FAA's proposed AD on ECI rods
for their clone 360 and pma parts for 540 engines? I believe the part
number is AEL 11750. Parts alone to replace those parts will be
$700/cylinder.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Well: good news,bad news,
1st the bad news, Jan wasn't @ Copperstate, They had a booth but the
girl in the booth said he was out of the country. The only person
available to ask questions to was an RV 7A Builder with an H6
installation who had his plane there (nice!) and has been working w/ Jan
doing some recent testing (There's a recent blurb on the Egg website).
He really wasn't knowledgeable regarding any plans for a-10
installation. And neither was anybody else in the booth. It seems their
sweet spot is the 4cly Lyc 360 market and for that application I think
it's a good fit, it would also be a good fit for anybody that had been
thinking about the Continental for the RV-10. After thinking on this
some more, not withstanding the benefits of lower cost,
reliability(implied), smoothness, newer technology,Mogas etc. I'm
uncomfortable with a), a lesser rated HP (240-??). and b). in order to
get even that HP they have to spin the engine a lot faster than they do
for the 200 hp versions. Close to or @ redline. And then they have to
supercharge it. Seems that's pushing the envelope towards an edge that
hasn't been proved (in aircraft) yet. It may be that this all proves to
be non issues in the future, but I'm looking to get as close to 200mph
out of my 10 as I can (just ego). And going to a less powerful platform,
that's already pushed towards the upperend of it's performance envelope,
isn't where I think I want to be. I'll continue to watch and listen to
any developments, but won't be putting the Subie in any critical path on
my project plan. If theres an RV-10 program in the future @ Egg, then
Jan is probably the only person who knows about it. (And the looks of
those tow mufflers hanging below the cowl also turns me off) Talked with
a couple of other engine builders who were all quoting prices and
functions similar to what has been reported on this list.
They, are sending quotes and options via snail mail.
The good news, (depending on when you need your engine), I spoke with
the ECI/Titan folks and they are well into their 540 program and if you
can wait til next Sept for your engine, they will be ready with all of
the parts, They were partnered with an engine rebuilder from SanAntinio
Tx. who was in the booth next to them, and he indicated that he expected
the price to be just under 30k. His costs estimates were derived from a
combination of 1. what his cost are to build an Titan 360 currently
using ECI parts, and 2. What his cost are to rebuild a 540 using the ECI
cyl assemblies. That's all new everything. with a stronger case, some
improvements where the case and crank mate. That will not include the
roller tappet technology that Lyc is now pushing. (heard a RUMOR that
its not as rosy as hoped for and the added complexity is taking a toll)
I've got some information and a CD that I will need to wade through over
the next few days in order to better compare apples to apples, but it
certainly sounds interesting, and while the timeline is a bit longer
than I'd like, As most projects seem to go that'll probably still end up
within my window.
I looked for an insurance underwriter or agent to ask Michaels question
to, but none were there.
Deems Davis # 406
Wing Ribs
http://deemsrv10.com/
Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton"
<william@gbta.net>
>
>Deems, get all the info you can get out of Jan at Copperstate and
please
>report back. I've been interested in his engines since I first found
out
>about them a couple years back. I was ready to buy one of his 2.5's
when I
>was planning on a RV-7, but now that I'm building a -10 I really hope
he can
>make the H-6 work. The only thing that still bugs me a little is the
high
>RPM's on take off. I know the engines do that all the time in the
cars, but
>it just sounds too high. Probably won't be a problem.
>
>Anyway, please report back if you have time.
>
>Bill Britton
>RV-10 #40137
>Elevators in progress
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:35 PM
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Lycoming Engines
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>
>>This is making the Egg/Subie look more and more interesting to me. He'
>>going to be @ Copperstate this weekend, and I look forward to hearing
>>1st hand about his plans for the RV-10 installation.
>>(I just saw on ANN an AD for Lyc 360 & 540 cranks, maybe this is how
Lyc
>>expects to pay for it)
>>
>>Deems Davis # 406
>>Wing Main Spar
>>http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>William Curtis wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Yup, they raised the price of the 260HP IO-540 from $38,990 to
>>>$42,650, an over $3,600 increase. However they now have an offering
of
>>>the 250HP O-540 for $37,500. Other than fuel injection, anyone know
>>>what else is different between these engines? It would seem you could
>>>get the O and add fuel injection for a lot less than $5,150 or FADEC
>>>for a little more. I think I'll be looking at the IO-540 clone from
>>>Aerosport. Maybe in these days of $5 avgas, they will reconsider the
>>>210HP Continental IO-360.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Back to the engine question. I am getting close to ordering one and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>noticed
>>>
>>>
>>>>that Vans prices went up considerably for the IO540. Does anyone
know
>>>>
>>>>
>if
>
>
>>>>this has the new tapped technology?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>William Curtis
>>>40237 - wings
>>>http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>>>
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| Subject: | Wing order + components |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
What were your reason for replacing the Dynon Pitot/AoA. Is it simply
because you had to have a heated Pitot and Dynon still hasn't delivered
one? I wanted to close up my wings and was waiting for Dynon to release
there heated pitot, but no luck, so I purchased there unheated one in
hopes to replace it with there heated one down the road.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing order + components
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Nice work. We added the Gretz mount after the wing was finished which
was a
fair bit more work. We also just added a heated pitot to replace the
Dynon
AOA pitot. Fortunately we were able to fish the heated pitot power wire
through the AOA pitot tube which was not needed anymore. Wiring that
thing
up and hooking up the pitot line was a lot of work with the wing closed
up
and on the plane.
All this to say, everybody should decide what pitot they are going with
before they finish their wings so they can do something like you did and
make it fairly easy to remove and replace if there is a problem. I
really
like Tim's idea of putting it further out the wing where it can be
accessed
from the open wingtip. It is a pain working around the aileron controls
to
get a the pitot to replace it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing order + components
The Grezt mount is a great product, mine came out perfectly and you get
an
appreciation for what it is like to have to lay out a few rivet holes
with a
ruler. Heres a shot of mine with Jon Johanson heated pitot.
Rick S.
40185
Fuselage
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Terry,
I went through the same thing. I posted the solution over on the old
Yahoo Group list but am reposting here for archive purposes. I've also
asked Tim to put in his building tips area for future slow builders. Of
course, now that he's got paint on his plane it might not be a priority
:)
Bob #40105
> First the problem:
> The picture on page 29-11 illustrates how to roll the forward
> fuselage skins. It involves clamping a piece of wood to a
workbench,
> clamping a couple of "construction angles" to the skin and then
> rolling the skin. Finally, while holding the skin in a "rolled
> state" you give a sharp whack with a rubber mallet.
>
> Here's a couple of hints:
> 1) The angles are shown held to the skins with vice grips (the kind
> that form a "C"). There really isn't much of the angle to grab
> onto. It turns out to be MUCH easier if you use the kind without
> the "pads". C clamps and other methods of holding the angles to
the
> skin are difficult at best. You either don't have enough surface
to
> clamp or there won't be clearance while rolling. The exception is
at
> the small end of the "cone" - there is a small C clamp there
holding
> the ends of the construction angles together.
>
> 2) Use actual C clamps to hold the skin and wood form down to the
> workbench. I was originally using the "quick grip" type of sliding
> clamps. You get a lot more clamping force with C clamps.
>
> I spent a long time last night working on the first forward skin
and
> the result was poor. Making the above two changes allowed me to do
> the other side in only about 15-20 minutes! I then reclamped the
> first skin and "touched it up".
>
> In the final analysis the picture on 29-11 is very good. If you do
> it EXACTLY like it shows without tool substitutions it will turn
out
> great. Using the vice grips without the pads makes it even
easier!
> Do yourself a favor - if you don't have the right clamps, go get
them
> before starting!
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of terry doe
Subject: RV10-List: F1069 Skins
Can anyone tell me how they bent the roll in the F1069 fwd side skins
I've tried vans way but the skin thickness wont allow it to roll
Terry 40034
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| Subject: | Wing order + components |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Ray,
I am using the ACS AOA system and plan on using the GRT EFIS. Jon's tube was $325
at the time and is machined out of solid aluminum, with a beefy tube and nicly
polished. Nothing against Dynon but the delay was the main reason. I like
the thermostatic control. I don't plan on needing my pitot heat too much but it
will be there if I need it.
Rick S.
40185
Fuselage
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| Subject: | Wing Tip Installation. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
When I installed my wing tips on my RV-9A, we had to make a
template that marked the chord line of the wing on a piece of wood that
was bolted to the tooling holes of the tip rib. You then extended these
lines on the template. Then you installed the ailron and made sure the
trailing lined up with this chord line. Then you lock the ailron in
this position and install the tip tip trailing edge to match. I don't
see any of this in the manual for the RV-10 and wonder how you are
suppose to ensure the trailing edge of the ailron line up with the
trailing edge of the wing tip when the ailron is in it's neutral
position. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
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| Subject: | Wing order + components |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
You can install it anywhere you can get it secure, plumbed, in line with the aircraft
datum line and the location allows unobstructed true ram airflow, i.e.
no propwash or turbulent air. For optimum location run it out the front of your
spinner ;) but the top of the rudder would look cool too as would on the tip...your
choice really. I just followed the rest of the RV crowd. It make a nice
handle to move qaround the wing stand too :D.
Rick S.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sorry, I dropped the ball. Will try to get it on in the next
couple of nights...maybe tonight.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> Terry,
>
>
>
> I went through the same thing. I posted the solution over on the old
> Yahoo Group list but am reposting here for archive purposes. Ive also
> asked Tim to put in his building tips area for future slow builders. Of
> course, now that hes got paint on his plane it might not be a priority :)
>
>
>
> Bob #40105
>
>
>
>> First the problem:
>> The picture on page 29-11 illustrates how to roll the forward
>> fuselage skins. It involves clamping a piece of wood to a
> workbench,
>> clamping a couple of "construction angles" to the skin and then
>> rolling the skin. Finally, while holding the skin in a "rolled
>> state" you give a sharp whack with a rubber mallet.
>>
>> Here's a couple of hints:
>> 1) The angles are shown held to the skins with vice grips (the kind
>> that form a "C"). There really isn't much of the angle to grab
>> onto. It turns out to be MUCH easier if you use the kind without
>> the "pads". C clamps and other methods of holding the angles to
> the
>> skin are difficult at best. You either don't have enough surface
> to
>> clamp or there won't be clearance while rolling. The exception is
> at
>> the small end of the "cone" - there is a small C clamp there
> holding
>> the ends of the construction angles together.
>>
>> 2) Use actual C clamps to hold the skin and wood form down to the
>> workbench. I was originally using the "quick grip" type of sliding
>> clamps. You get a lot more clamping force with C clamps.
>>
>> I spent a long time last night working on the first forward skin
> and
>> the result was poor. Making the above two changes allowed me to do
>> the other side in only about 15-20 minutes! I then reclamped the
>> first skin and "touched it up".
>>
>> In the final analysis the picture on 29-11 is very good. If you do
>> it EXACTLY like it shows without tool substitutions it will turn
> out
>> great. Using the vice grips without the pads makes it even
> easier!
>> Do yourself a favor - if you don't have the right clamps, go get
> them
>> before starting!
>
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *terry doe
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:30 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: F1069 Skins
>
>
>
> Can anyone tell me how they bent the roll in the F1069 fwd side skins
>
> I've tried vans way but the skin thickness wont allow it to roll
>
> Terry 40034
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Just giving you a hard time - does anybody know whatever happened to the effort
to get the Yahoo Group stuff into Matt's archives?
Do Not Archive
Bob
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: F1069 Skins
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sorry, I dropped the ball. Will try to get it on in the next
couple of nights...maybe tonight.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> Terry,
>
>
>
> I went through the same thing. I posted the solution over on the old
> Yahoo Group list but am reposting here for archive purposes. Ive also
> asked Tim to put in his building tips area for future slow builders. Of
> course, now that hes got paint on his plane it might not be a priority :)
>
>
>
> Bob #40105
>
>
>
>> First the problem:
>> The picture on page 29-11 illustrates how to roll the forward
>> fuselage skins. It involves clamping a piece of wood to a
> workbench,
>> clamping a couple of "construction angles" to the skin and then
>> rolling the skin. Finally, while holding the skin in a "rolled
>> state" you give a sharp whack with a rubber mallet.
>>
>> Here's a couple of hints:
>> 1) The angles are shown held to the skins with vice grips (the kind
>> that form a "C"). There really isn't much of the angle to grab
>> onto. It turns out to be MUCH easier if you use the kind without
>> the "pads". C clamps and other methods of holding the angles to
> the
>> skin are difficult at best. You either don't have enough surface
> to
>> clamp or there won't be clearance while rolling. The exception is
> at
>> the small end of the "cone" - there is a small C clamp there
> holding
>> the ends of the construction angles together.
>>
>> 2) Use actual C clamps to hold the skin and wood form down to the
>> workbench. I was originally using the "quick grip" type of sliding
>> clamps. You get a lot more clamping force with C clamps.
>>
>> I spent a long time last night working on the first forward skin
> and
>> the result was poor. Making the above two changes allowed me to do
>> the other side in only about 15-20 minutes! I then reclamped the
>> first skin and "touched it up".
>>
>> In the final analysis the picture on 29-11 is very good. If you do
>> it EXACTLY like it shows without tool substitutions it will turn
> out
>> great. Using the vice grips without the pads makes it even
> easier!
>> Do yourself a favor - if you don't have the right clamps, go get
> them
>> before starting!
>
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *terry doe
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:30 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: F1069 Skins
>
>
>
> Can anyone tell me how they bent the roll in the F1069 fwd side skins
>
> I've tried vans way but the skin thickness wont allow it to roll
>
> Terry 40034
>
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| Subject: | Wing order + components |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I second Tim's worry about the pitot interfering with the aileron pushrods.
When I went to replace our pitot with a heated version I noticed that the
aileron, at full deflection, would rub the pitot line. I fixed this
problem, but that really is a busy place in the wing to have a pitot as
well. Although it is more work to take off the wingtip than an inspection
plate (although I like the idea in the RVAtor about using hinges for the
wingtips), it would be much easier to work on the pitot from there. Also,
how often do you really need to work on the pitot once it is installed and
working. If you need to run a new wire to it or something like that, it
would probably be easier to pull a wire the entire length of the wing
through a conduit than only part of the way. The tie-down concern is also
very valid.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing order + components
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
John,
It's not uncommon, just not what you normally see on some
RV's. You mainly want a non-turbulent, un-inhibited airflow.
Here's a photo of my old plane:
http://www.redcedarlake.net/sundowner/pics/midsize/N2251L0437.html
Certified, and right out at the tip.
Also, consider when you see some jets...a pole off the nose, or
off the side of the fuselage up front by the canopy. It just
needs a good view.
I don't know why they would choose to go in further, but I can
tell you that I'm not comfortable with the tie-down bracket being
only inches away from the standard pitot location...to easy to
get a rope hung on it. Also, it is harder to get the line
run to the pitot because the aileron pushrod runs through that
area. In previous queries for info, Warren Gretz and others
said it should be just fine out there.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a pitot that far out. Is there a reason why
> they are in closer? I don't have a clue what that reason might be, given
> that it's there to be pressurized. You just don't want to block it.
>
> John Jessen
> 40328 HS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 10:08 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing order + components
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> Nice work. We added the Gretz mount after the wing was finished which was
a
> fair bit more work. We also just added a heated pitot to replace the
Dynon
> AOA pitot. Fortunately we were able to fish the heated pitot power wire
> through the AOA pitot tube which was not needed anymore. Wiring that
thing
> up and hooking up the pitot line was a lot of work with the wing closed up
> and on the plane.
>
> All this to say, everybody should decide what pitot they are going with
> before they finish their wings so they can do something like you did and
> make it fairly easy to remove and replace if there is a problem. I really
> like Tim's idea of putting it further out the wing where it can be
accessed
> from the open wingtip. It is a pain working around the aileron controls
to
> get a the pitot to replace it.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 12:36 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing order + components
>
> The Grezt mount is a great product, mine came out perfectly and you get an
> appreciation for what it is like to have to lay out a few rivet holes with
a
> ruler. Heres a shot of mine with Jon Johanson heated pitot.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> Fuselage
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| Subject: | Wing order + components |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Ray,
See if you can return your pitot. I have a Dynon AOA pitot in a drawer that
I am trying to find a home for. I think it is a great option for those who
don't need heat. They are working on a heated version, but don't even have
an estimated date of completion. In the flight up to MN the other day my
dad descended through a little layer (only 2,500 feet thick) and had ice
build-up on the tie-down ring when he landed and checked it out. He would
have had to turn back without the heat. If you are flying VFR, though, you
will never need it. Dynon does offer the AOA feature for a great price,
though, which is only the cost for the pitot. Maybe I should install their
AOA pitot in the other wing and use it for AOA and then the heated pitot for
the other instruments....OK, maybe that's going a little too far.
Anyway, the AOA Pitot is for sale for half of the Dynon retail price if
anybody wants it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing order + components
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]"
<Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
What were your reason for replacing the Dynon Pitot/AoA. Is it simply
because you had to have a heated Pitot and Dynon still hasn't delivered
one? I wanted to close up my wings and was waiting for Dynon to release
there heated pitot, but no luck, so I purchased there unheated one in
hopes to replace it with there heated one down the road.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing order + components
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Nice work. We added the Gretz mount after the wing was finished which
was a
fair bit more work. We also just added a heated pitot to replace the
Dynon
AOA pitot. Fortunately we were able to fish the heated pitot power wire
through the AOA pitot tube which was not needed anymore. Wiring that
thing
up and hooking up the pitot line was a lot of work with the wing closed
up
and on the plane.
All this to say, everybody should decide what pitot they are going with
before they finish their wings so they can do something like you did and
make it fairly easy to remove and replace if there is a problem. I
really
like Tim's idea of putting it further out the wing where it can be
accessed
from the open wingtip. It is a pain working around the aileron controls
to
get a the pitot to replace it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing order + components
The Grezt mount is a great product, mine came out perfectly and you get
an
appreciation for what it is like to have to lay out a few rivet holes
with a
ruler. Heres a shot of mine with Jon Johanson heated pitot.
Rick S.
40185
Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
No, there wasn't. But, it seems that the ever expanding Lycoming AD on
crankshafts indicates that they are not imune from the long arm of the
FAA either.
Rhonda Bewley wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
>
>Was there any conversation regarding the FAA's proposed AD on ECI rods
>for their clone 360 and pma parts for 540 engines? I believe the part
>number is AEL 11750. Parts alone to replace those parts will be
>$700/cylinder.
>
>Rhonda
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
>Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:34 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
>Well: good news,bad news,
>1st the bad news, Jan wasn't @ Copperstate, They had a booth but the
>girl in the booth said he was out of the country. The only person
>available to ask questions to was an RV 7A Builder with an H6
>installation who had his plane there (nice!) and has been working w/ Jan
>
>doing some recent testing (There's a recent blurb on the Egg website).
>He really wasn't knowledgeable regarding any plans for a-10
>installation. And neither was anybody else in the booth. It seems their
>sweet spot is the 4cly Lyc 360 market and for that application I think
>it's a good fit, it would also be a good fit for anybody that had been
>thinking about the Continental for the RV-10. After thinking on this
>some more, not withstanding the benefits of lower cost,
>reliability(implied), smoothness, newer technology,Mogas etc. I'm
>uncomfortable with a), a lesser rated HP (240-??). and b). in order to
>get even that HP they have to spin the engine a lot faster than they do
>for the 200 hp versions. Close to or @ redline. And then they have to
>supercharge it. Seems that's pushing the envelope towards an edge that
>hasn't been proved (in aircraft) yet. It may be that this all proves to
>be non issues in the future, but I'm looking to get as close to 200mph
>out of my 10 as I can (just ego). And going to a less powerful platform,
>
>that's already pushed towards the upperend of it's performance envelope,
>
>isn't where I think I want to be. I'll continue to watch and listen to
>any developments, but won't be putting the Subie in any critical path on
>
>my project plan. If theres an RV-10 program in the future @ Egg, then
>Jan is probably the only person who knows about it. (And the looks of
>those tow mufflers hanging below the cowl also turns me off)
>Talked with a couple of other engine builders who were all quoting
>prices and functions similar to what has been reported on this list.
>They, are sending quotes and options via snail mail.
>The good news, (depending on when you need your engine), I spoke with
>the ECI/Titan folks and they are well into their 540 program and if you
>
>can wait til next Sept for your engine, they will be ready with all of
>the parts, They were partnered with an engine rebuilder from SanAntinio
>Tx. who was in the booth next to them, and he indicated that he expected
>
>the price to be just under 30k. His costs estimates were derived from a
>combination of 1. what his cost are to build an Titan 360 currently
>using ECI parts, and 2. What his cost are to rebuild a 540 using the ECI
>
>cyl assemblies. That's all new everything. with a stronger case, some
>improvements where the case and crank mate. That will not include the
>roller tappet technology that Lyc is now pushing. (heard a RUMOR that
>its not as rosy as hoped for and the added complexity is taking a toll)
>I've got some information and a CD that I will need to wade through over
>
>the next few days in order to better compare apples to apples, but it
>certainly sounds interesting, and while the timeline is a bit longer
>than I'd like, As most projects seem to go that'll probably still end up
>
>within my window.
>I looked for an insurance underwriter or agent to ask Michaels question
>to, but none were there.
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Wing Ribs
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
>Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton"
>>
>>
><william@gbta.net>
>
>
>>Deems, get all the info you can get out of Jan at Copperstate and
>>
>>
>please
>
>
>>report back. I've been interested in his engines since I first found
>>
>>
>out
>
>
>>about them a couple years back. I was ready to buy one of his 2.5's
>>
>>
>when I
>
>
>>was planning on a RV-7, but now that I'm building a -10 I really hope
>>
>>
>he can
>
>
>>make the H-6 work. The only thing that still bugs me a little is the
>>
>>
>high
>
>
>>RPM's on take off. I know the engines do that all the time in the
>>
>>
>cars, but
>
>
>>it just sounds too high. Probably won't be a problem.
>>
>>Anyway, please report back if you have time.
>>
>>Bill Britton
>>RV-10 #40137
>>Elevators in progress
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:35 PM
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Lycoming Engines
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>>
>>>This is making the Egg/Subie look more and more interesting to me. He'
>>>going to be @ Copperstate this weekend, and I look forward to hearing
>>>1st hand about his plans for the RV-10 installation.
>>>(I just saw on ANN an AD for Lyc 360 & 540 cranks, maybe this is how
>>>
>>>
>Lyc
>
>
>>>expects to pay for it)
>>>
>>>Deems Davis # 406
>>>Wing Main Spar
>>>http://deemsrv10.com/
>>>
>>>William Curtis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yup, they raised the price of the 260HP IO-540 from $38,990 to
>>>>$42,650, an over $3,600 increase. However they now have an offering
>>>>
>>>>
>of
>
>
>>>>the 250HP O-540 for $37,500. Other than fuel injection, anyone know
>>>>what else is different between these engines? It would seem you could
>>>>get the O and add fuel injection for a lot less than $5,150 or FADEC
>>>>for a little more. I think I'll be looking at the IO-540 clone from
>>>>Aerosport. Maybe in these days of $5 avgas, they will reconsider the
>>>>210HP Continental IO-360.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Back to the engine question. I am getting close to ordering one and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>noticed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>that Vans prices went up considerably for the IO540. Does anyone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>know
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>if
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>>>>>this has the new tapped technology?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>William Curtis
>>>>40237 - wings
>>>>http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Mazzotta
Subject: Re: RV10 kit
Hi David:
The items in the RV10 kit (P/N: RV67910-C1P) are itentical to your Cessna 177
conversion kit except the firewall mounts are different. The RV Kit does not
use the SK2003-36 rubber mount. The are 48 assemblies in the RV10 kit.
Let me know if I can help your further.
Sam Mazotta
Skybolt Aeromotive Corp.
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: smazzotta@skybolt.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:34 PM
Subject: RV10 kit
What's the Bill of Material for the kit. I have previously installed the skybolt
kit on my C177RG and Glastar and have already have some spare parts.
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| Subject: | re: Heated AOA Ports~ 10/08/05 |
Gentlemen:
Unless you have a fully de/anti iced wing it will do you no good to have
heated ports / vanes on your AOA system. I would not sell a heated AOA system
to
any aircraft unless it was fully certified to fly in icing conditions. Reason
as follows:
Do you want to believe your AOA vane if it is clean of ice and the wing has
ice on it??
Do you want to believe your AOA pressure port computed system if the wing has
ice on it, even if the port is clear?
Do you want to believe your AOA pressure differential system if it is heated
and the wing has ice on it?
What do you know that Boeing, and all the other manufactures don't?? If you
try to follow an AOA with ice on the wing it will lead you down a path that
could very well be fatal. Boeing & Douglas (back when I was flying them) had no
data for how icing would actually affect the lift~~other than lift would
decrease and amount unknown, Rime, clear, mixed all create a different problem.
In my certification paperwork on the RiteAngle it is stated: ANY evidence of
icing on airframe, RiteAngle system must be turned off until clear of icing!
IF you have a de/anti iced wing it is a different story, but I don't know of
many homebuilts that have them!
It is evident many haven't been as iced up as I have in the past 43 years!!
And this includes aircarriers with full anti ice. ICE = most serious problem
except possibly fire in the air.
SAFETY FIRST
Elbie Mendenhall
EM Aviation, LLC
www.riteangle.com
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| Subject: | Re: re: Heated AOA Ports~ 10/08/05 |
Elbie,
Point well taken re: heated AOA ports but that's not the way I interpreted the
initial post. We were talking about heated pitot tubes and as an aside AOA.
Many of us have waited for Dynon to come forward with their heated pitot which
also includes the AOA info for their instrument. I'm most concerned with
the heating for the pitot portion. Unable to understand Dynon's hesitation unless
product liability has reared its ugly head. I can see where the company
lawyers would get heartburn over the thought of us using their instrument IFR.
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Re: Wing order + components |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Actually I read somewhere that when they do flight testing to calibrate
a pitot static system they temporarily mount a pitot tube on some sort
of framework and get it as far away from the airframe as possible so
that the airflow around the airframe doesn't interfere with the readings
of the control pitot... so the farther away from the aircraft you can
get it the better ;) I hadn't thought about it yet, but I'm with you
tim... mines going out towards the wingtip.
do not archive
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> John,
>
> It's not uncommon, just not what you normally see on some
> RV's. You mainly want a non-turbulent, un-inhibited airflow.
> Here's a photo of my old plane:
> http://www.redcedarlake.net/sundowner/pics/midsize/N2251L0437.html
> Certified, and right out at the tip.
>
> Also, consider when you see some jets...a pole off the nose, or
> off the side of the fuselage up front by the canopy. It just
> needs a good view.
>
> I don't know why they would choose to go in further, but I can
> tell you that I'm not comfortable with the tie-down bracket being
> only inches away from the standard pitot location...to easy to
> get a rope hung on it. Also, it is harder to get the line
> run to the pitot because the aileron pushrod runs through that
> area. In previous queries for info, Warren Gretz and others
> said it should be just fine out there.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> John Jessen wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>>
>> I don't think I've ever seen a pitot that far out. Is there a reason
>> why
>> they are in closer? I don't have a clue what that reason might be,
>> given
>> that it's there to be pressurized. You just don't want to block it.
>> John Jessen
>> 40328 HS
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 10:08 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing order + components
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>>
>> Nice work. We added the Gretz mount after the wing was finished
>> which was a
>> fair bit more work. We also just added a heated pitot to replace the
>> Dynon
>> AOA pitot. Fortunately we were able to fish the heated pitot power wire
>> through the AOA pitot tube which was not needed anymore. Wiring that
>> thing
>> up and hooking up the pitot line was a lot of work with the wing
>> closed up
>> and on the plane.
>>
>> All this to say, everybody should decide what pitot they are going with
>> before they finish their wings so they can do something like you did and
>> make it fairly easy to remove and replace if there is a problem. I
>> really
>> like Tim's idea of putting it further out the wing where it can be
>> accessed
>> from the open wingtip. It is a pain working around the aileron
>> controls to
>> get a the pitot to replace it.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> I-TEC, Inc.
>> jesse@itecusa.org
>> www.itecusa.org
>> W: 352-465-4545
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 12:36 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing order + components
>>
>> The Grezt mount is a great product, mine came out perfectly and you
>> get an
>> appreciation for what it is like to have to lay out a few rivet holes
>> with a
>> ruler. Heres a shot of mine with Jon Johanson heated pitot.
>>
>> Rick S.
>> 40185
>> Fuselage
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
The tip is now there...
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/fusetips.html
Thanks Bob!
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> Terry,
>
>
>
> I went through the same thing. I posted the solution over on the old
> Yahoo Group list but am reposting here for archive purposes. Ive also
> asked Tim to put in his building tips area for future slow builders. Of
> course, now that hes got paint on his plane it might not be a priority :)
>
>
>
> Bob #40105
>
>
>
>> First the problem:
>> The picture on page 29-11 illustrates how to roll the forward
>> fuselage skins. It involves clamping a piece of wood to a
> workbench,
>> clamping a couple of "construction angles" to the skin and then
>> rolling the skin. Finally, while holding the skin in a "rolled
>> state" you give a sharp whack with a rubber mallet.
>>
>> Here's a couple of hints:
>> 1) The angles are shown held to the skins with vice grips (the kind
>> that form a "C"). There really isn't much of the angle to grab
>> onto. It turns out to be MUCH easier if you use the kind without
>> the "pads". C clamps and other methods of holding the angles to
> the
>> skin are difficult at best. You either don't have enough surface
> to
>> clamp or there won't be clearance while rolling. The exception is
> at
>> the small end of the "cone" - there is a small C clamp there
> holding
>> the ends of the construction angles together.
>>
>> 2) Use actual C clamps to hold the skin and wood form down to the
>> workbench. I was originally using the "quick grip" type of sliding
>> clamps. You get a lot more clamping force with C clamps.
>>
>> I spent a long time last night working on the first forward skin
> and
>> the result was poor. Making the above two changes allowed me to do
>> the other side in only about 15-20 minutes! I then reclamped the
>> first skin and "touched it up".
>>
>> In the final analysis the picture on 29-11 is very good. If you do
>> it EXACTLY like it shows without tool substitutions it will turn
> out
>> great. Using the vice grips without the pads makes it even
> easier!
>> Do yourself a favor - if you don't have the right clamps, go get
> them
>> before starting!
>
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *terry doe
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:30 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: F1069 Skins
>
>
>
> Can anyone tell me how they bent the roll in the F1069 fwd side skins
>
> I've tried vans way but the skin thickness wont allow it to roll
>
> Terry 40034
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
This weekend went off without a hitch. The weather was great and
the pre-work got done just in time. I got the fuselage,
wings, and cowls painted. All that's left is the VS, HS, and
Rudder, along with the colored striping and letters. There is
a LOT of prep work to paint the -10. I know I spent over 100
man hours getting it ready.
Anyway, I posted a page at:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/20051009/index.html
There are some photos of transporting the plane that are
linked off that page.
I also included some info regarding paints and quantities for
those interested in using PPG concept. PPG concept is the same
paint Randy used, for those who saw it at OSH. As you know, his
was beautiful. So far, mine would be a twin to his. With luck
I'll have the stripes done soon. Still shooting for SNF 2006.
Almost time to begin the engine/baffling/FAB work, then onto the
panel again and airframe wiring. Then I should be ready to fly.
Randy: If you have anything written up regarding procedures
to get inspection and airworthiness, I'd love to read it and
would post it so the group has the info. Pretty quick I should
be thinking of lining up another Tech counselor visit.
Tim
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| Subject: | RV10 Kit for Sale |
1.53 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO
--> RV10-List message posted by: "McIntosh, Todd" <McIntoshT@health.missouri.edu>
Two RVs is one two many. The tail is done and the wing kit is inventoried
but not started. Contact me at mcintoshtw@direcway.com if interested.
Todd McIntosh
RV9A N369TM
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Tim, she looks great!
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: 80% Painted
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
This weekend went off without a hitch. The weather was great and
the pre-work got done just in time. I got the fuselage,
wings, and cowls painted. All that's left is the VS, HS, and Rudder, along
with the colored striping and letters. There is a LOT of prep work to paint
the -10. I know I spent over 100 man hours getting it ready.
Anyway, I posted a page at:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/20051009/index.html
There are some photos of transporting the plane that are linked off that
page.
I also included some info regarding paints and quantities for those
interested in using PPG concept. PPG concept is the same paint Randy used,
for those who saw it at OSH. As you know, his was beautiful. So far, mine
would be a twin to his. With luck I'll have the stripes done soon. Still
shooting for SNF 2006.
Almost time to begin the engine/baffling/FAB work, then onto the panel again
and airframe wiring. Then I should be ready to fly.
Randy: If you have anything written up regarding procedures to get
inspection and airworthiness, I'd love to read it and would post it so the
group has the info. Pretty quick I should be thinking of lining up another
Tech counselor visit.
Tim
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Very Nice!
What a difference paint makes!
So did the airplane go to the airport? or back to a home workshop?
You are getting close!
Jim C
#40192 - N312F - Fuselage
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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
This weekend went off without a hitch. The weather was great and
the pre-work got done just in time. I got the fuselage,
wings, and cowls painted. All that's left is the VS, HS, and
Rudder, along with the colored striping and letters. There is
a LOT of prep work to paint the -10. I know I spent over 100
man hours getting it ready.
Anyway, I posted a page at:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/20051009/index.html
There are some photos of transporting the plane that are
linked off that page.
I also included some info regarding paints and quantities for
those interested in using PPG concept. PPG concept is the same
paint Randy used, for those who saw it at OSH. As you know, his
was beautiful. So far, mine would be a twin to his. With luck
I'll have the stripes done soon. Still shooting for SNF 2006.
Almost time to begin the engine/baffling/FAB work, then onto the
panel again and airframe wiring. Then I should be ready to fly.
Randy: If you have anything written up regarding procedures
to get inspection and airworthiness, I'd love to read it and
would post it so the group has the info. Pretty quick I should
be thinking of lining up another Tech counselor visit.
Tim
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
It's all back home now. I have the garage heaters keeping it at 70 for
a few days until it all hardens up well. Over the next couple weeks
I'll be doing the fiberglass tips for my emp parts. Man, is that upper
rudder fairing actually a whole inche too long? Precision parts I see.
Once I get those done, the guy who painted them will be happy to just
take them to a booth and spray them for me. One day, we'll lay out the
stripes and shoot them over a weekend. At that point, the wings will
live at the hanger for the remainder of the build, along with
all the emp surfaces. The fuse will stay with me so I can sleep
in it. ;) HOpefully it'll all be at the airport by year end if
everything keeps moving along.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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Jim Combs wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>
> Very Nice!
>
> What a difference paint makes!
>
> So did the airplane go to the airport? or back to a home workshop?
>
> You are getting close!
>
> Jim C
> #40192 - N312F - Fuselage
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:25:14 -0500
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> This weekend went off without a hitch. The weather was great and
> the pre-work got done just in time. I got the fuselage,
> wings, and cowls painted. All that's left is the VS, HS, and
> Rudder, along with the colored striping and letters. There is
> a LOT of prep work to paint the -10. I know I spent over 100
> man hours getting it ready.
>
> Anyway, I posted a page at:
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/20051009/index.html
> There are some photos of transporting the plane that are
> linked off that page.
>
> I also included some info regarding paints and quantities for
> those interested in using PPG concept. PPG concept is the same
> paint Randy used, for those who saw it at OSH. As you know, his
> was beautiful. So far, mine would be a twin to his. With luck
> I'll have the stripes done soon. Still shooting for SNF 2006.
>
> Almost time to begin the engine/baffling/FAB work, then onto the
> panel again and airframe wiring. Then I should be ready to fly.
>
> Randy: If you have anything written up regarding procedures
> to get inspection and airworthiness, I'd love to read it and
> would post it so the group has the info. Pretty quick I should
> be thinking of lining up another Tech counselor visit.
>
> Tim
>
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| Subject: | 80% Painted (paint gun???) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Tim,
Great information and a beautiful job painting, very impressive. One
question that you may have already covered, but what paint gun did you use?
Can't wait to get painting, but still a long way off,
Marcus
40286
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: 80% Painted
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
This weekend went off without a hitch. The weather was great and
the pre-work got done just in time. I got the fuselage,
wings, and cowls painted. All that's left is the VS, HS, and
Rudder, along with the colored striping and letters. There is
a LOT of prep work to paint the -10. I know I spent over 100
man hours getting it ready.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Looks Great! Tim,
(I'm green with envy!!!!))
Deems
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Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> It's all back home now. I have the garage heaters keeping it at 70 for
> a few days until it all hardens up well. Over the next couple weeks
> I'll be doing the fiberglass tips for my emp parts. Man, is that upper
> rudder fairing actually a whole inche too long? Precision parts I see.
> Once I get those done, the guy who painted them will be happy to just
> take them to a booth and spray them for me. One day, we'll lay out the
> stripes and shoot them over a weekend. At that point, the wings will
> live at the hanger for the remainder of the build, along with
> all the emp surfaces. The fuse will stay with me so I can sleep
> in it. ;) HOpefully it'll all be at the airport by year end if
> everything keeps moving along.
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Jim Combs wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>>
>> Very Nice!
>>
>> What a difference paint makes!
>> So did the airplane go to the airport? or back to a home workshop?
>>
>> You are getting close!
>>
>> Jim C
>> #40192 - N312F - Fuselage
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:25:14 -0500
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> This weekend went off without a hitch. The weather was great and
>> the pre-work got done just in time. I got the fuselage,
>> wings, and cowls painted. All that's left is the VS, HS, and
>> Rudder, along with the colored striping and letters. There is
>> a LOT of prep work to paint the -10. I know I spent over 100
>> man hours getting it ready.
>>
>> Anyway, I posted a page at:
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/20051009/index.html
>> There are some photos of transporting the plane that are
>> linked off that page.
>>
>> I also included some info regarding paints and quantities for
>> those interested in using PPG concept. PPG concept is the same
>> paint Randy used, for those who saw it at OSH. As you know, his
>> was beautiful. So far, mine would be a twin to his. With luck
>> I'll have the stripes done soon. Still shooting for SNF 2006.
>>
>> Almost time to begin the engine/baffling/FAB work, then onto the
>> panel again and airframe wiring. Then I should be ready to fly.
>>
>> Randy: If you have anything written up regarding procedures
>> to get inspection and airworthiness, I'd love to read it and
>> would post it so the group has the info. Pretty quick I should
>> be thinking of lining up another Tech counselor visit.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Real time and cost to build? From a new subscriber |
How about:
Result:
"Yes, I love airplanes. My name is Angelina Jolie and I own a Cirrus . . ."
fall down on your knees and worship
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Real time and cost to build? From a new subscriber
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Pre-marriage screening for pilots.
"Hey, do you like airplanes?....How'd you like to go for
a flight in a small plane?"
Result:
"Yes, I love airplanes, cool, when can we go....I think we
should go see the mountains" Marry the chick
"No, them things scare the crap out of me. Can't
we try shuffleboard instead?" Ditch the witch
;)
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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Jesse Saint wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> Wait a second! That's a pretty sick to suggest choosing an airplane over a
> wife. If you do start getting AIDS, then get rid of the source of the
> problem (the airplane) not the victim of the problem (the wife).
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 12:27 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Real time and cost to build? From a new subscriber
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
> Randy forgot one last thing,
>
> Get a good divorce lawyer unless you are single or have a great spouse that
> will totally understand and support you in the process. I highly suggest
> reading Dan Checkoway's "The married dudes guide to aircraft building". Link
> is pasted below. I thank my better half on a daily basis for understanding
> this obsession, which it will become, trust me.
>
> http://www.rvproject.com/wife.html
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> Fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit |
I'm a little behind on my emails, so this is a little out of sequence:
Deems, thanks for the update. I've been thinking, though, that if Jan's
numbers work out ok (meaning that he's not pushing redline longer than a
takeoff run to pattern altitude), I'm willing to forego 10 HP on the ground
if I can keep all 240 of them up to the critical altitude. Not to mention
hot water cabin heating, liquid cooled machining tolerances, no shock
cooling, etc. Add to that the price differences and I'm definitely leaning
toward the Subie if he can be comfortable with a package when I'm ready for
it.
Everybody please weigh in with your opinions or anecdotal info from friends
who have them..
Rob #392
Elevators
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit
Excellent job Deems!
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Well: good news,bad news,
1st the bad news, Jan wasn't @ Copperstate, They had a booth but the girl
in the booth said he was out of the country. The only person available to
ask questions to was an RV 7A Builder with an H6 installation who had his
plane there (nice!) and has been working w/ Jan doing some recent testing
(There's a recent blurb on the Egg website).
He really wasn't knowledgeable regarding any plans for a-10 installation.
And neither was anybody else in the booth. It seems their sweet spot is the
4cly Lyc 360 market and for that application I think it's a good fit, it
would also be a good fit for anybody that had been thinking about the
Continental for the RV-10. After thinking on this some more, not
withstanding the benefits of lower cost, reliability(implied), smoothness,
newer technology,Mogas etc. I'm uncomfortable with a), a lesser rated HP
(240-??). and b). in order to get even that HP they have to spin the engine
a lot faster than they do for the 200 hp versions. Close to or @ redline.
And then they have to supercharge it. Seems that's pushing the envelope
towards an edge that hasn't been proved (in aircraft) yet. It may be that
this all proves to be non issues in the future, but I'm looking to get as
close to 200mph out of my 10 as I can (just ego). And going to a less
powerful platform, that's already pushed towards the upperend of it's
performance envelope, isn't where I think I want to be. I'll continue to
watch and listen to any developments, but won't be putting the Subie in any
critical path on my project plan. If theres an RV-10 program in the future @
Egg, then Jan is probably the only person who knows about it. (And the looks
of those tow mufflers hanging below the cowl also turns me off) Talked with
a couple of other engine builders who were all quoting prices and functions
similar to what has been reported on this list.
They, are sending quotes and options via snail mail.
The good news, (depending on when you need your engine), I spoke with the
ECI/Titan folks and they are well into their 540 program and if you can
wait til next Sept for your engine, they will be ready with all of the
parts, They were partnered with an engine rebuilder from SanAntinio Tx. who
was in the booth next to them, and he indicated that he expected the price
to be just under 30k. His costs estimates were derived from a combination of
1. what his cost are to build an Titan 360 currently using ECI parts, and 2.
What his cost are to rebuild a 540 using the ECI cyl assemblies. That's all
new everything. with a stronger case, some improvements where the case and
crank mate. That will not include the roller tappet technology that Lyc is
now pushing. (heard a RUMOR that its not as rosy as hoped for and the added
complexity is taking a toll) I've got some information and a CD that I will
need to wade through over the next few days in order to better compare
apples to apples, but it certainly sounds interesting, and while the
timeline is a bit longer than I'd like, As most projects seem to go that'll
probably still end up within my window.
I looked for an insurance underwriter or agent to ask Michaels question to,
but none were there.
Deems Davis # 406
Wing Ribs
http://deemsrv10.com/
Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton"
>--> <william@gbta.net>
>
>Deems, get all the info you can get out of Jan at Copperstate and
>please report back. I've been interested in his engines since I first
>found out about them a couple years back. I was ready to buy one of
>his 2.5's when I was planning on a RV-7, but now that I'm building a
>-10 I really hope he can make the H-6 work. The only thing that still
>bugs me a little is the high RPM's on take off. I know the engines do
>that all the time in the cars, but it just sounds too high. Probably won't
be a problem.
>
>Anyway, please report back if you have time.
>
>Bill Britton
>RV-10 #40137
>Elevators in progress
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>From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:35 PM
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Lycoming Engines
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
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>>This is making the Egg/Subie look more and more interesting to me. He'
>>going to be @ Copperstate this weekend, and I look forward to hearing
>>1st hand about his plans for the RV-10 installation.
>>(I just saw on ANN an AD for Lyc 360 & 540 cranks, maybe this is how
>>Lyc expects to pay for it)
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>>Deems Davis # 406
>>Wing Main Spar
>>http://deemsrv10.com/
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>>William Curtis wrote:
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>>>Yup, they raised the price of the 260HP IO-540 from $38,990 to
>>>$42,650, an over $3,600 increase. However they now have an offering
>>>of the 250HP O-540 for $37,500. Other than fuel injection, anyone
>>>know what else is different between these engines? It would seem you
>>>could get the O and add fuel injection for a lot less than $5,150 or
>>>FADEC for a little more. I think I'll be looking at the IO-540 clone
>>>from Aerosport. Maybe in these days of $5 avgas, they will reconsider
>>>the 210HP Continental IO-360.
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>>>>Back to the engine question. I am getting close to ordering one and
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>>>William Curtis
>>>40237 - wings
>>>http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: 80% Painted (paint gun???) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Thanks for reminding me, Marcus. I updated the page with the following:
"Since some have asked.... The spray gun used was a SataJet RP 1.4 gun.
I myself bought a Satajet RP 1.4 Digital II gun, which seems like the
ultimate gun for the job. It requires a little less volume than a full
HVLP, but obtains similar efficiencies, at slightly higher pressures.
The Digital II is nice, in that it has a built in digital pressure gauge
and regulator in the handle, so you don't need the extra regulator
sticking out the handle. This allows you to get into tighter places
with it, and is great when painting the belly. One other tip...during
the belly painting (actually, for all of it), Bob used a disposable cup
insert. The gravity canister is replaced by a plastic shell, that
contains a flexible paint cup. The cool thing is, it makes it easy to
paint upside down because as the paint is used, the container collapses,
so there isn't a lot of air volume in the container, which keeps the
fluid down towards the bottom, even when almost upside down. Very handy
little things! Another tip: When doing the belly, use a creeper."
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Marcus Cooper wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
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> Tim,
> Great information and a beautiful job painting, very impressive. One
> question that you may have already covered, but what paint gun did you use?
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> Can't wait to get painting, but still a long way off,
> Marcus
> 40286
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:25 PM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: 80% Painted
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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> This weekend went off without a hitch. The weather was great and
> the pre-work got done just in time. I got the fuselage,
> wings, and cowls painted. All that's left is the VS, HS, and
> Rudder, along with the colored striping and letters. There is
> a LOT of prep work to paint the -10. I know I spent over 100
> man hours getting it ready.
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| Subject: | Re: Real time and cost to build? From a new subscriber |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Funny you should say that. I keep telling my wife that if she
gets too crazy I'll ditch her for Angelina so I can fly her Cirrus.
But, I couldn't do that anymore...now that Brad's taking lessons,
he's a pilot too. Couldn't do such a thing to a pilot. ;)
All in good fun.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> How about:
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> Result:
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> "Yes, I love airplanes. My name is Angelina Jolie and I own a Cirrus . . ."
> = fall down on your knees and worship
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> TDT
> 40025
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
> Sent: Sun 10/9/2005 12:02 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Real time and cost to build? From a new subscriber
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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> Pre-marriage screening for pilots.
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> "Hey, do you like airplanes?....How'd you like to go for
> a flight in a small plane?"
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> Result:
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> "Yes, I love airplanes, cool, when can we go....I think we
> should go see the mountains" = Marry the chick
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> "No, them things scare the crap out of me. Can't
> we try shuffleboard instead?" = Ditch the witch
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> ;)
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> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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> Jesse Saint wrote:
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
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>>Wait a second! That's a pretty sick to suggest choosing an airplane over a
>>wife. If you do start getting AIDS, then get rid of the source of the
>>problem (the airplane) not the victim of the problem (the wife).
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>>Jesse Saint
>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>jesse@itecusa.org
>>www.itecusa.org
>>W: 352-465-4545
>>C: 352-427-0285
>>F: 815-377-3694
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
>>Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 12:27 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Real time and cost to build? From a new subscriber
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
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>>Randy forgot one last thing,
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>>Get a good divorce lawyer unless you are single or have a great spouse that
>>will totally understand and support you in the process. I highly suggest
>>reading Dan Checkoway's "The married dudes guide to aircraft building". Link
>>is pasted below. I thank my better half on a daily basis for understanding
>>this obsession, which it will become, trust me.
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>>http://www.rvproject.com/wife.html
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Well, since you asked for opinions...(and this one is worth only 2 cents
or less since it isn't first hand...)
I do have a builder that I talked to last winter/spring. He bought an
Egg system for his RV9. He got the engine, and if I remember right,
the whole FWF kit and engine wasn't complete. As he was researching
parts, he found out that the engine was mis-represented to him at the
time of sale, and actually produced much less HP than he was told.
He fought with it for a loooong time, getting into legal battles and
everything, and Jan wouldn't hardly even talk to him about it, let
alone deal with it. I guess in the end, he worked out an arrangement,
because I think he returned it to Jan this summer, and is awaiting
his Aerosport engine. I haven't been able to get much out of him
lately. I think he's not able to talk about it or something. Anyway,
it's a bad enough situation that I wouldn't ever commit any money
until I saw one work, and saw the numbers, and had committments in
writing. All I know is, now that he's got an Aerosport on the way,
he's much more comfortable with the future in his RV. He regrets
missing out on the supposed benefits of the Subie though.
That's not to be too down on the company or the product, but is just
a snapshot of an experience....so YMMV. Others have said it's a
great company, and a great product. I'm sure that if they got what
they expected, they could very well be happy. I'm just not sure
that happens all the time.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Robert G. Wright wrote:
> Im a little behind on my emails, so this is a little out of sequence:
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> Deems, thanks for the update. Ive been thinking, though, that if Jans
> numbers work out ok (meaning that hes not pushing redline longer than a
> takeoff run to pattern altitude), Im willing to forego 10 HP on the
> ground if I can keep all 240 of them up to the critical altitude. Not
> to mention hot water cabin heating, liquid cooled machining tolerances,
> no shock cooling, etc. Add to that the price differences and Im
> definitely leaning toward the Subie if he can be comfortable with a
> package when Im ready for it.
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> Everybody please weigh in with your opinions or anecdotal info from
> friends who have them.
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> Rob #392
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> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 08, 2005 6:42 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: RE: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit
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> Excellent job Deems!
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> Do not archive
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:34 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Lycoming Engines Copperstate visit
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
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> Well: good news,bad news,
> 1st the bad news, Jan wasn't @ Copperstate, They had a booth but the
> girl in the booth said he was out of the country. The only person
> available to ask questions to was an RV 7A Builder with an H6
> installation who had his plane there (nice!) and has been working w/ Jan
> doing some recent testing (There's a recent blurb on the Egg website).
> He really wasn't knowledgeable regarding any plans for a-10
> installation. And neither was anybody else in the booth. It seems their
> sweet spot is the 4cly Lyc 360 market and for that application I think
> it's a good fit, it would also be a good fit for anybody that had been
> thinking about the Continental for the RV-10. After thinking on this
> some more, not withstanding the benefits of lower cost,
> reliability(implied), smoothness, newer technology,Mogas etc. I'm
> uncomfortable with a), a lesser rated HP (240-??). and b). in order to
> get even that HP they have to spin the engine a lot faster than they do
> for the 200 hp versions. Close to or @ redline. And then they have to
> supercharge it. Seems that's pushing the envelope towards an edge that
> hasn't been proved (in aircraft) yet. It may be that this all proves to
> be non issues in the future, but I'm looking to get as close to 200mph
> out of my 10 as I can (just ego). And going to a less powerful platform,
> that's already pushed towards the upperend of it's performance envelope,
> isn't where I think I want to be. I'll continue to watch and listen to
> any developments, but won't be putting the Subie in any critical path on
> my project plan. If theres an RV-10 program in the future @ Egg, then
> Jan is probably the only person who knows about it. (And the looks of
> those tow mufflers hanging below the cowl also turns me off) Talked with
> a couple of other engine builders who were all quoting prices and
> functions similar to what has been reported on this list.
> They, are sending quotes and options via snail mail.
> The good news, (depending on when you need your engine), I spoke with
> the ECI/Titan folks and they are well into their 540 program and if you
> can wait til next Sept for your engine, they will be ready with all of
> the parts, They were partnered with an engine rebuilder from SanAntinio
> Tx. who was in the booth next to them, and he indicated that he expected
> the price to be just under 30k. His costs estimates were derived from a
> combination of 1. what his cost are to build an Titan 360 currently
> using ECI parts, and 2. What his cost are to rebuild a 540 using the ECI
> cyl assemblies. That's all new everything. with a stronger case, some
> improvements where the case and crank mate. That will not include the
> roller tappet technology that Lyc is now pushing. (heard a RUMOR that
> its not as rosy as hoped for and the added complexity is taking a toll)
> I've got some information and a CD that I will need to wade through over
> the next few days in order to better compare apples to apples, but it
> certainly sounds interesting, and while the timeline is a bit longer
> than I'd like, As most projects seem to go that'll probably still end up
> within my window.
> I looked for an insurance underwriter or agent to ask Michaels question
> to, but none were there.
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> Deems Davis # 406
> Wing Ribs
> http://deemsrv10.com/
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> Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton"
>>--> <william@gbta.net>
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>>Deems, get all the info you can get out of Jan at Copperstate and
>>please report back. I've been interested in his engines since I first
>>found out about them a couple years back. I was ready to buy one of
>>his 2.5's when I was planning on a RV-7, but now that I'm building a
>>-10 I really hope he can make the H-6 work. The only thing that still
>>bugs me a little is the high RPM's on take off. I know the engines do
>>that all the time in the cars, but it just sounds too high. Probably
> won't be a problem.
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>>Anyway, please report back if you have time.
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>>Bill Britton
>>RV-10 #40137
>>Elevators in progress
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:35 PM
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Lycoming Engines
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>> >--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
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>> >This is making the Egg/Subie look more and more interesting to me. He'
>> >going to be @ Copperstate this weekend, and I look forward to hearing
>> >1st hand about his plans for the RV-10 installation.
>> >(I just saw on ANN an AD for Lyc 360 & 540 cranks, maybe this is how
>> >Lyc expects to pay for it)
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>> >Deems Davis # 406
>> >Wing Main Spar
>> >http://deemsrv10.com/
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>> >>Yup, they raised the price of the 260HP IO-540 from $38,990 to
>> >>$42,650, an over $3,600 increase. However they now have an offering
>> >>of the 250HP O-540 for $37,500. Other than fuel injection, anyone
>> >>know what else is different between these engines? It would seem you
>> >>could get the O and add fuel injection for a lot less than $5,150 or
>> >>FADEC for a little more. I think Ill be looking at the IO-540 clone
>> >>from Aerosport. Maybe in these days of $5 avgas, they will reconsider
>> >>the 210HP Continental IO-360.
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| Subject: | Wing Tips Don't Line Up |
I am attaching my wing tips and have all of the nutplates complete on one
and the other drilled and clecoed. Neither of the wing tips line up with the
ailerons in neutral position. I have clamped the ailerons in line with the
flaps in full up position. The trailing edge of the right wing tip is about
1/2" lower than the trailing edge of the aileron. The trailing edge of the
left wing tip is about 1/4" higher than the aileron.
The trailing edges of the wing tips are about 1/4" - 3/8" too long. I can
trim them without breaking the trailing edge joint.
I cannot see any simple way of bending/aligning the wing tips except for
perhaps cutting the trailing edge in half and reattaching them while trying
to twist them into alignment. I would love to hear what others have done to
deal with this. I really hope it is not bad parts cause I have put a lot of
hours into these wingtips.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Working on QB Wing Tips
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Installation. |
I spoke to Scott McDaniels at Copperstate this weekend about this very
subject. After trimming my wing tips to fit it looked like the trailing edges
were
not lining up well. My first thought was that I would have to cut the ends
of the wing tips open and then epoxy them back together in the right position.
(Which would be the thing to do if you have already drilled the holes)
Scott says that the leading edge of the tip can be sort of rotated inside
the leading edge of the wing. A little movement there produces a pretty big
change in the position of the trailing edge. Sure enough I tried it when I got
home and it works. I am going to clamp some boards along the trailing edge of
the flap, aileron and wing tip to keep everything lined up before i drill the
tips. The full up position of the flap defines the neutral position of the
aileron. If you would like I can take some pictures and send them to you.
Andrew Rayhill
40078
Finishing wings.
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