RV10-List Digest Archive

Sat 10/15/05


Total Messages Posted: 17



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:35 AM - Re: Engine mount material (rob kermanj)
     2. 09:21 AM - Re: nylon wiring conduit & AOA (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto)
     3. 11:12 AM - Re: nylon wiring conduit & AOA (Chris Johnston)
     4. 12:08 PM - Re: nylon wiring conduit & AOA (John Jessen)
     5. 12:34 PM - What tools are needed (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
     6. 12:47 PM - Re: What tools are needed (James Hein)
     7. 01:09 PM - Re: What tools are needed (Sean Stephens)
     8. 02:59 PM - Re: What tools are needed (Deems Davis)
     9. 06:17 PM - Door latch warning light (Mark Ritter)
    10. 06:34 PM - Re: Door latch warning light (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    11. 06:39 PM - Re: What tools are needed (bob.kaufmann)
    12. 06:40 PM - Re: Door latch warning light (James Hein)
    13. 07:21 PM - Re: Door latch warning light (Tim Olson)
    14. 07:29 PM - Re: Door latch warning light (Marcus Cooper)
    15. 07:58 PM - Re: Door latch warning light (Deems Davis)
    16. 08:33 PM - Re: Door latch warning light (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
    17. 11:26 PM - Re: Door latch warning light (DejaVu)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:35:06 AM PST US
    From: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Engine mount material
    --> RV10-List message posted by: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net> I spoke to Great American Engines, an ECI shop, regarding the mount. He has sold two engines to RV 10 builders and tells me that both fit Van's mount. I believe that he said that he was aware of the difference in the sumps (?) He is building my engine and it should be ready in a few weeks. I will let everyone know how it fits the mount. Rob. On Oct 14, 2005, at 4:56 PM, Jim Combs wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra- > read.com> > > You are correct. Wonder what the differences are between Tim's > engine and Vans engine? What other variations might exist in the > field? > > If Vans can make a change to accomodate future builders, now is the > time to do it. > > As for door latches. Clearly there must be some additional steps > taken to make sure the doors are closed and latched. > > I just happen to be at the point in construction where I have GREAT > interest in solutions to both of these issues. > > Jim C > #40192 - N312F > Do Not Archive > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net> > Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:16:40 -0700 > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net> > > Two things here are worthy of note. (1) Tim confirmed that his > engine was > not a Lycoming IO540 but an Aerosport IO540. I would be interested > to know > whether the problem is inclusive of all IO540s. (2) I would not start > cutting and pasting on the engine mount unless you have access to the > original data and have the engineering expertise to address the > modified > mount. If you think a missing door will spoil your day, a failed > engine > mount will likely end it. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine mount material > > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra- >> read.com> >> >> Wow, I am just now getting ready to order the finish kit. What >> timing! >> Although I hate to see you have to go through this. >> >> Maybe the door latches will get some additional engineering too. >> >> Hopefully, you will get some compensation for the trouble. >> >> Jim C >> #40192 - N312F >> >> Do Not Archive >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> >> Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:07:29 -0500 >> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> >> >> Latest news: Spoke to Bruce and Scott just now. They're interested >> to get the mount back to see, so they'd rather have me ship it to >> them so they can check it in their jig than have me fix it locally. >> They do sound genuinely interested in helping. >> They said Lycoming sent them a cut case half that they fit into >> the jig to test the clearance, and they get more like 1/2". >> They think the difference is likely in the sump casting, not the >> rest of the engine. I'm going to look closely at my sump gasket, >> and maybe do some measuring. I'm hoping to fedex the mount to them >> Friday a.m., if i can get a box together that fast. >> >> Will keep you posted. Hopefully if they find that it fits their >> stuff normally, maybe they'll redesign that particular tube a >> touch so that none of you future builders have to deal with this. >> I don't mind having the problem nearly as much if I know that >> it helps make things better in the end. >> >> >> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> >> Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote: >> >>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" >>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> >>> >>> I'm fairly certain that it's made from 4130 steel. I recall one >>> other >>> builder having a similar problem. Can we determine if it's a >>> problem >>> generic to narrow deck engines? Is there an engine measurement >>> you can >>> take so others can check before the mount arrives? >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:14 PM >>> To: RV10 >>> Subject: RV10-List: Engine mount material >>> >>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> >>> >>> Does anyone know the material used in making the engine >>> mount, so I can pass it on to any welders? Also, a supplier >>> of the tubing material would be great in case the >>> new tube would need to be longer. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 09:21:10 AM PST US
    Subject: nylon wiring conduit & AOA
    Hey Chris, you can check out what I did here: http://www.kitlog.com/mykitlog/index.php?pworklog&worklogid4718# Basically I ran it through 3/8" rubber grommets that had an ID of about 1/4". Also, I used black irrigation poly pipe for my conduit run. Michael Sausen -10 #352 wing assembly Do not archive -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston
    Subject: RE: RV10-List: nylon wiring conduit & AOA arrrrghhh. just went around to see if i could find any locally, and no joy. after perusing a few of the websites, i think i see that the stuff from vans is solid, and i think it's better quality than the stuff from the auto parts stores. anyone have any ideas on where to find this stuff? also - for those who've installed the AFS AOA what size snap bushing did you use to run the two 1/8" lines through? i think i'm putting it in the opposite wing as the pitot, using the same tooling holes. thanks cj #40410 wings -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John Hasbrouck Subject: Re: RV10-List: nylon wiring conduit --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" --> <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com> Chris, The conduit from Van's is solid. I've seen the split kind in the auto parts stores and thought about using is myself. Chose the Van's stuff instead and plan to make holes as necessary for AP, Pitot heat, ect. Anyone have a reason not to use the split conduit?


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    Time: 11:12:28 AM PST US
    Subject: nylon wiring conduit & AOA
    From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
    thanks michael. that's a big help. do not archive cj #40410 wings -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Subject: RE: RV10-List: nylon wiring conduit & AOA Hey Chris, you can check out what I did here: http://www.kitlog.com/mykitlog/index.php?pworklog&worklogid4718# Basically I ran it through 3/8" rubber grommets that had an ID of about 1/4". Also, I used black irrigation poly pipe for my conduit run. Michael Sausen -10 #352 wing assembly Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Subject: RE: RV10-List: nylon wiring conduit & AOA arrrrghhh. just went around to see if i could find any locally, and no joy. after perusing a few of the websites, i think i see that the stuff from vans is solid, and i think it's better quality than the stuff from the auto parts stores. anyone have any ideas on where to find this stuff? also - for those who've installed the AFS AOA what size snap bushing did you use to run the two 1/8" lines through? i think i'm putting it in the opposite wing as the pitot, using the same tooling holes. thanks cj #40410 wings -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John Hasbrouck Subject: Re: RV10-List: nylon wiring conduit --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" --> <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com> Chris, The conduit from Van's is solid. I've seen the split kind in the auto parts stores and thought about using is myself. Chose the Van's stuff instead and plan to make holes as necessary for AP, Pitot heat, ect. Anyone have a reason not to use the split conduit?


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    Time: 12:08:18 PM PST US
    From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
    Subject: nylon wiring conduit & AOA
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com> Ain't no gophers gonna eat through that AOA line, you betcha! :-) John Jessen do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Subject: RE: RV10-List: nylon wiring conduit & AOA thanks michael. that's a big help. do not archive cj #40410 wings -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Subject: RE: RV10-List: nylon wiring conduit & AOA Hey Chris, you can check out what I did here: http://www.kitlog.com/mykitlog/index.php?p=worklog&worklogid=4718# Basically I ran it through 3/8" rubber grommets that had an ID of about 1/4". Also, I used black irrigation poly pipe for my conduit run. Michael Sausen -10 #352 wing assembly Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Subject: RE: RV10-List: nylon wiring conduit & AOA arrrrghhh. just went around to see if i could find any locally, and no joy. after perusing a few of the websites, i think i see that the stuff from vans is solid, and i think it's better quality than the stuff from the auto parts stores. anyone have any ideas on where to find this stuff? also - for those who've installed the AFS AOA what size snap bushing did you use to run the two 1/8" lines through? i think i'm putting it in the opposite wing as the pitot, using the same tooling holes. thanks cj #40410 wings -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John Hasbrouck Subject: Re: RV10-List: nylon wiring conduit --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" --> <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com> Chris, The conduit from Van's is solid. I've seen the split kind in the auto parts stores and thought about using is myself. Chose the Van's stuff instead and plan to make holes as necessary for AP, Pitot heat, ect. Anyone have a reason not to use the split conduit? ==================================== ====================================


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    Time: 12:34:13 PM PST US
    From: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
    Subject: What tools are needed
    I am almost ready to begin... I have my Avery tool package, and i am supplementing to have most things i will need. I did not have many decent shop tools. Are there any common tools, that are used often, like wrenches, torque wrench, measuring tools, specialty items, bench grinder, drill press, etc.... thanks for any tips that will help me move along. Steve DO NOT ARCHIVE Stephen G. Blank,DDS soon to start RV-10 Port St Lucie, FL 772-475-5556 cell


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    Time: 12:47:40 PM PST US
    From: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
    Subject: Re: What tools are needed
    --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net> You'll need an inch pound torque wrench, bench grinder, scotchbrite wheel, #30, #40, #12, #28 drill bits, #6 and #8 screw dimpler as well as a countersink bit for those, about ten 3" C-Clamps, Cleco clamps (1" depth, about 10 of those. or your VS doublers won't be right.. see Tim's site for the full details), a 3/4" unibit step drill. That's all I can think of right now. Here's a tip: get a cordless screwdriver and put your deburring bit in it. This speeds up deburring and is slow enough to avoid chatter. -Jim 40384, Deburring Wing Rear Spars (while waiting for the rain to stop so I can Alodine them outside) LIKE2LOOP@aol.com wrote: > I am almost ready to begin... > > I have my Avery tool package, and i am supplementing to have most > things i will need. I did not have many decent shop tools. > > Are there any common tools, that are used often, like wrenches, > torque wrench, measuring tools, specialty items, bench grinder, drill > press, etc.... thanks for any tips that will help me move along. > > Steve > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > Stephen G. Blank,DDS soon to start RV-10 > Port St Lucie, FL > > 772-475-5556 cell


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    Time: 01:09:29 PM PST US
    From: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: What tools are needed
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net> Another item that's needed but often forgotten until then are a few extension bits. I've needed the 12 inch #40 #30 and #12 in various places. <http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/products.asp?dept=20> -Sean #40303 (wing top skins) James Hein wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net> > > You'll need an inch pound torque wrench, bench grinder, scotchbrite > wheel, #30, #40, #12, #28 drill bits, #6 and #8 screw dimpler as well > as a countersink bit for those, about ten 3" C-Clamps, Cleco clamps > (1" depth, about 10 of those. or your VS doublers won't be right.. see > Tim's site for the full details), a 3/4" unibit step drill. > > That's all I can think of right now. Here's a tip: get a cordless > screwdriver and put your deburring bit in it. This speeds up deburring > and is slow enough to avoid chatter. > > -Jim 40384, Deburring Wing Rear Spars (while waiting for the rain to > stop so I can Alodine them outside) > > > LIKE2LOOP@aol.com wrote: > >> I am almost ready to begin... >> >> I have my Avery tool package, and i am supplementing to have most >> things i will need. I did not have many decent shop tools. >> >> Are there any common tools, that are used often, like wrenches, >> torque wrench, measuring tools, specialty items, bench grinder, drill >> press, etc.... thanks for any tips that will help me move along. >> >> Steve >> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> >> Stephen G. Blank,DDS soon to start RV-10 >> Port St Lucie, FL >> >> 772-475-5556 cell > >


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    Time: 02:59:57 PM PST US
    From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: What tools are needed
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> Get the Cogsdill buraway deburing tools (Type a) get both the 3/32 and the 1/8 ", they are pricey but believe me when you start deburrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring, you will quickly see the advantage here's the link, you can order them dircetly from the mfg. when you do let them know this is for Aluminum as there may be a different blade for Al vs steel. Also order a spare replacement blade for each (I've had 2 of the 3/32 break) http://www.cogsdill.com/pdf%20files/usdeb_burraway.pdf http://www.cogsdill.com/ Some say they cut deburring in half, I think they do better than that If you haven't already got a pneumatic rivet squeezer,. think seriously about that as well. Deems Davis # 406 Wing Leading Edges http://deemsrv10.com/ LIKE2LOOP@aol.com wrote: > I am almost ready to begin... > > I have my Avery tool package, and i am supplementing to have most > things i will need. I did not have many decent shop tools. > > Are there any common tools, that are used often, like wrenches, > torque wrench, measuring tools, specialty items, bench grinder, drill > press, etc.... thanks for any tips that will help me move along. > > Steve > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > Stephen G. Blank,DDS soon to start RV-10 > Port St Lucie, FL > > 772-475-5556 cell


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    Time: 06:17:11 PM PST US
    From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509@msn.com>
    Subject: Door latch warning light
    DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list - No Plain-Text Section --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found ---


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    Time: 06:34:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Door latch warning light
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Really!? What prompted that? Michael Sausen -10 #352 Wing assembly do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter Subject: RV10-List: Door latch warning light --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter" Received door latch warning light kit from Vans today. No charge. Mark


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    Time: 06:39:39 PM PST US
    From: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
    Subject: What tools are needed
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net> Add reamers for the 3/32 and 1/8 or #30 and 40. They will pay for themselves in about 20 minutes. Bob K -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: What tools are needed --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> Get the Cogsdill buraway deburing tools (Type a) get both the 3/32 and the 1/8 ", they are pricey but believe me when you start deburrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring, you will quickly see the advantage here's the link, you can order them dircetly from the mfg. when you do let them know this is for Aluminum as there may be a different blade for Al vs steel. Also order a spare replacement blade for each (I've had 2 of the 3/32 break) http://www.cogsdill.com/pdf%20files/usdeb_burraway.pdf http://www.cogsdill.com/ Some say they cut deburring in half, I think they do better than that If you haven't already got a pneumatic rivet squeezer,. think seriously about that as well. Deems Davis # 406 Wing Leading Edges http://deemsrv10.com/ LIKE2LOOP@aol.com wrote: > I am almost ready to begin... > > I have my Avery tool package, and i am supplementing to have most > things i will need. I did not have many decent shop tools. > > Are there any common tools, that are used often, like wrenches, > torque wrench, measuring tools, specialty items, bench grinder, drill > press, etc.... thanks for any tips that will help me move along. > > Steve > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > Stephen G. Blank,DDS soon to start RV-10 > Port St Lucie, FL > > 772-475-5556 cell


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    Time: 06:40:27 PM PST US
    From: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
    Subject: Re: Door latch warning light
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    Time: 07:21:47 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Door latch warning light
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Did you request it, or are they just sending them out? That would be pretty cool if they were. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE Mark Ritter wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter" > Received door latch warning light kit from Vans today. No charge. > > Mark


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    Time: 07:29:10 PM PST US
    From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Door latch warning light
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter" I saw mention of this earlier. Did you request it or did it just show up? I have my finishing kit and would like to take advantage of the system. Marcus -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter Subject: RV10-List: Door latch warning light Received door latch warning light kit from Vans today. No charge. Mark to and much


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    Time: 07:58:46 PM PST US
    From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Door latch warning light
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> I saw the following post on Vans Airforce. /I exchanged emails with Tom Green & Ken Krueger about this today. There is a door latch indicator kit which has been incorporated into all RV-10 kits shipping out now and the kit has been sent to all holders of kits already in the field. As others have said, a checklist item to physically verify full closed is appropriate. Even without a door latch indicator system, both RV-10 rear pins can easily be checked from the pilot's seat by reaching around the F-1005C Bulkhead Side Channel and feeling for the end of the pin protruding through. In my RV-6, my before-crossing-the-runway-threshold verbal callout is: / Deems Davis # 406 Wing Leading Edges http://deemsrv10.com/ Marcus Cooper wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter" > > I saw mention of this earlier. Did you request it or did it just show > up? I have my finishing kit and would like to take advantage of the > system. > > > > Marcus > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Ritter > *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2005 9:16 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Door latch warning light > > > > Received door latch warning light kit from Vans today. No charge. > > > > Mark > > ==================================== ====================================


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    Time: 08:33:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Door latch warning light
    From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
    Couldn't find it on Van's online catalog . . . TDT Do Not Archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Marcus Cooper Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door latch warning light --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter" I saw mention of this earlier. Did you request it or did it just show up? I have my finishing kit and would like to take advantage of the system. Marcus -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter Subject: RV10-List: Door latch warning light Received door latch warning light kit from Vans today. No charge. Mark


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    From: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
    Subject: Re: Door latch warning light
    Found this pic in the video that I took of 410RV from SNF-2005. I didn't know what it was then but I think it maybe the door latch sensor. Anh #141 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door latch warning light > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> > > Did you request it, or are they just sending them out? > That would be pretty cool if they were. > > > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > Mark Ritter wrote: > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter" > > Received door latch warning light kit from Vans today. No charge. > > > > Mark > >




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