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1. 03:09 PM - Re: The impossible rivets - 1 won, 1 lost (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
2. 04:05 PM - Re: Cherry Blind Rivets (John Jessen)
3. 04:10 PM - Question for Tim: Gretz pitot (John Hasbrouck)
4. 04:23 PM - Re: Cherry Blind Rivets (Kelly McMullen)
5. 07:20 PM - Re: Question for Tim: Gretz pitot (Tim Olson)
6. 07:32 PM - Re: Question for Tim: Gretz pitot (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 07:42 PM - Re: Question for Tim: Gretz pitot (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
8. 08:45 PM - Re: The impossible rivets - 1 won, 1 lost (Rick)
9. 08:55 PM - Re: The impossible rivets - 1 won, 1 lost (linn walters)
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| Subject: | The impossible rivets - 1 won, 1 lost |
This is bit of an old issue, but I recently won the battle against the
"impossible rivets" on the rear seat pans and I thought I would share my method.
The forward-most hole is the problem because the front seat support gets in
the way. I managed to set a solid rivet in these holes, but it took some trial
and error. I ended up using a 12" piece of steel angle, with a hole drilled
in one end to accept a 1/8" cupped set (I had to do some grinding on the end
of the steel piece to get it to work out). I placed the cupped set on the
rivet and blocked the aft end of the steel piece from the side panel with a
piece of wood. Then I used a mushroom set in my rivet gun, placed it on the piece
of steel as close to the rivet as possible and hammered away. I cranked up
the PSI on the gun a bit. I used different pieces of wood to support the steel
piece while I riveted to keep from scratching the floor and side panel
aluminum.
As a bucking bar for all the floor pan rivets along the left and right sides
of the fuselage, I used the long RV-10 bucking bar with a 2x4 block taped in
the middle (this gives you leverage against the outside skin for holding
pressure on the back side of the rivets). It takes some adjusting of the size of
the block, but once you get it right you can get through those rivets
quickly. You might want to support the outside skin with something to keep it
from
denting as you're pushing on it.
Send me an email if you want to see a picture of the rivet set up.
Jim McGrew
RV-10 #134 - Just starting to wire fuse
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> From: _owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> _server@matronics.com]_ (mailto:server@matronics.com]) On Behalf Of
Doerr, Ray R [NTK]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:30 PM
> To: _rv10-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com)
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: The impossible rivets - 1 won, 1 lost
>
> Tim, you and I seem to be at the same sport. I ended up doing
> the same thing for the nutplates on the baggage door jam. I drilled the
> rivet hole to come out the back and then enlarged this hole to 1/4" and
> back riveted it using a hammer and punch on a backing plate.
> As for the most forward rivet on the rear side seat pans, I also
> left this rivet out. I called Van's about it and explain to Bruce there
> is no way to get this rivet because you can't get to either side of the
> rivet with the gun. He went on to say you can use a pop rivet at a 15
> degree angle, but I said it would be more like a 70 degree angle and it
> wouldn't work. If you look at the drawing that show the rear floor pan,
> you will notice they don't even show this hole exists, so I wonder if
> this was added later not thinking about how it would be set.
>
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> 40250 Floor Pans all rivet on.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: _owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
> [mailto:_owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]_
(mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]) On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:16 PM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: The impossible rivets - 1 won, 1 lost
>
>
> I found 2 "impossible" rivets, and the solution to one of them. QB
> fuse, by the way.
>
> #1 is on the baggage door latch bracket that goes on the fuselage.
> There are 2 nutplates to attach. 2 of those 4 rivets are not
> accessible by squeezer or bucking bar. I did, however,
> find that I have a very small flat squeezer set and I could drill
> a hole and enlarge with a unibit in the flange underneath the
> rivet, and get the squeezer through. I just don't know how else
> you'd do it. Here's a couple of photos.
>
> _http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050530/RV200505260017.html_
(http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050530/RV200505260017.html)
> _http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050530/RV200505260016.html_
(http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050530/RV200505260016.html)
>
>
> The other impossible rivets are on the very forward hole of the
> rear seat panels, on the sidewalls. There are holes that are completely
> inaccessible by rivet gun, or pop rivet tool. This photo shows the
> location, a couple inches NorthEast of the rivet set.
> _http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050530/RV200505250013.html_
(http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050530/RV200505250013.html)
> Short of drilling a hole through my seat bracket, which is NOT
> worth it, I can't find a way to fill that hole. The ones on the
> other side of the floor panel by the tunnel could be popped in
> from the tunnel side I suppose, but you'd have an ugle rivet
> sticking into the seating area. For now I'm just going to leave
> them empty. If I got desperate, I'd GLUE in a rivet for looks...
> then everyone would think I figured out the secret. :)
>
> Tim
>
> --
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
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| Subject: | Cherry Blind Rivets |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I know a helicopter A&P who seems to have access to such items. He's gotten
a few cherry rivets for me when one or two were needed. Let me ask him over
the weekend, if I see him. Maybe he can divulge a source.
John Jessen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cherry Blind Rivets
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Dj Merrill wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm trying to find a source of Cherry Blind Rivets ("Pop" Rivets)
> specifically AACQ-3-2 or AAC-3-2.
> These are 3/32 dia by 1/8 length flush head rivets.
> I've checked Aircraft Spruce, Vans, Wicks, and even a Google search,
> but I can't find any aluminum flush rivets that are less than 1/8 inch
> dia.
Hi all,
I haven't had much luck finding these rivets, unfortunately, so I
figured I would try the lists one more time.
I've tried sending a request to Aircraft Spruce, but no reply, and I had one
individual who indicated that he might be able to get some for me, but after
a couple of e-mails he hasn't replied to any in over two weeks, so I thought
perhaps it may be worth putting out another inquiry to the group at large.
I'm specifically looking for:
AACQ-3-2 (preferred) or AAC-3-2, quant 100
AACQ-4-2 quant 100
AACQ-4-4 quant 100
I believe these are 100 degree flush blind rivets (someone please
correct me if I am wrong).
Anyone have a catalog that might carry these, or know of a
distributor that I might contact? I'm sort of stuck on my current project
until I can locate some of these...
Thanks,
-Dj
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| Subject: | Question for Tim: Gretz pitot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Tim,
Where is the control module for the Gretz pitot mounted? I see in your
pictures some 2 conductor wire with LEDs attached. Is this for a seperate
wire run to the pitot or module? Looks like two sets of wire coming from
the pitot itself. Wire for power to the heating element is a seperate 14
AWG wire correct? Just trying to figure wire runs in my wings. Thanks in
advance for the info!
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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<200510202304.j9KN4FC28044@IPOfCard1.guest-tek.com>
| Subject: | Cherry Blind Rivets |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
Have you tried Genuine Aircraft Hardware?
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/store.asp
John Jessen said:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> I know a helicopter A&P who seems to have access to such items. He's
> gotten
> a few cherry rivets for me when one or two were needed. Let me ask him
> over
> the weekend, if I see him. Maybe he can divulge a source.
>
> John Jessen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:46 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cherry Blind Rivets
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
>
> Dj Merrill wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I'm trying to find a source of Cherry Blind Rivets ("Pop" Rivets)
>> specifically AACQ-3-2 or AAC-3-2.
>> These are 3/32 dia by 1/8 length flush head rivets.
>> I've checked Aircraft Spruce, Vans, Wicks, and even a Google search,
>> but I can't find any aluminum flush rivets that are less than 1/8 inch
>> dia.
>
> Hi all,
> I haven't had much luck finding these rivets, unfortunately, so I
> figured I would try the lists one more time.
> I've tried sending a request to Aircraft Spruce, but no reply, and I had
> one
> individual who indicated that he might be able to get some for me, but
> after
> a couple of e-mails he hasn't replied to any in over two weeks, so I
> thought
> perhaps it may be worth putting out another inquiry to the group at large.
>
> I'm specifically looking for:
>
> AACQ-3-2 (preferred) or AAC-3-2, quant 100
> AACQ-4-2 quant 100
> AACQ-4-4 quant 100
>
> I believe these are 100 degree flush blind rivets (someone please
> correct me if I am wrong).
>
> Anyone have a catalog that might carry these, or know of a
> distributor that I might contact? I'm sort of stuck on my current project
> until I can locate some of these...
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Dj
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question for Tim: Gretz pitot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I haven't installed the control module yet, but I think it mounts
out in the wing close to the pitot. The LED's run off a separate
wire run to the cockpit. I think you're right that the wire runs
for the power to the pitot are separate, but I haven't installed
any wiring yet. Saving that for when I put the wings on...
for good.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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John Hasbrouck wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>
> Tim,
> Where is the control module for the Gretz pitot mounted? I see in
> your pictures some 2 conductor wire with LEDs attached. Is this for a
> seperate wire run to the pitot or module? Looks like two sets of wire
> coming from the pitot itself. Wire for power to the heating element is
> a seperate 14 AWG wire correct? Just trying to figure wire runs in my
> wings. Thanks in advance for the info!
> John Hasbrouck
> #40264
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Question for Tim: Gretz pitot |
Hmm, seeing how you addressed this to Tim maybe I shouldn't chime in. Na, I'll give you my 2 cents, especially as I don't think Tim has mounted his controller yet. I almost forgot myself. You can see a couple of pics here, <http://www.kitlog.com/mykitlog/index.php?pworklog&worklogid4723> but basically I made a small mount out of some excess material and riveted it to the rib next to the pitot. Warren was pretty adamant about not lengthening the wires, might affect the thermistor resistance which would screw with the controller.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Wing bottom skins
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hasbrouck
Subject: RV10-List: Question for Tim: Gretz pitot
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck"
--> <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Tim,
Where is the control module for the Gretz pitot mounted? I see in your pictures
some 2 conductor wire with LEDs attached. Is this for a seperate wire
run to the pitot or module? Looks like two sets of wire coming from the pitot
itself. Wire for power to the heating element is a seperate 14 AWG wire correct?
Just trying to figure wire runs in my wings. Thanks in advance for the
info!
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Question for Tim: Gretz pitot |
Yes, the power for the pitot is a separate run of 14ga to the control module next
to the pitot. The LED wire run, if you use it as it's not required, is a multi
conductor cable that is basically the same diameter as the trim cable.
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Question for Tim: Gretz pitot
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I haven't installed the control module yet, but I think it mounts out in the wing
close to the pitot. The LED's run off a separate wire run to the cockpit.
I think you're right that the wire runs for the power to the pitot are separate,
but I haven't installed any wiring yet. Saving that for when I put the wings
on...
for good.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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John Hasbrouck wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck"
> --> <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>
> Tim,
> Where is the control module for the Gretz pitot mounted? I see in
> your pictures some 2 conductor wire with LEDs attached. Is this for a
> seperate wire run to the pitot or module? Looks like two sets of wire
> coming from the pitot itself. Wire for power to the heating element
> is a seperate 14 AWG wire correct? Just trying to figure wire runs in
> my wings. Thanks in advance for the info!
> John Hasbrouck
> #40264
>
>
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| Subject: | The impossible rivets - 1 won, 1 lost |
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| Subject: | Re: The impossible rivets - 1 won, 1 lost |
Rick wrote:
>
> I have included a few shots to show how it was done and an idea of the
> type of riveting I am refering too.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> Fuselage
Great pics!!!
Linn
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