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1. 07:58 AM - gretz pitot module install (brian bollaert)
2. 08:47 AM - Re: gretz pitot module install (Jim Combs)
3. 09:10 AM - Re: gretz pitot module install (Tim Olson)
4. 09:10 AM - Re: gretz pitot module install (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
5. 09:11 AM - Wing Tip Antennae (John Jessen)
6. 09:24 AM - Re: The impossible rivets - 1 won, 1 lost (Bruce Case)
7. 09:25 AM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
8. 09:26 AM - Re: Question for Tim: Gretz pitot (John Hasbrouck)
9. 09:35 AM - Re: gretz pitot module install (John Hasbrouck)
10. 10:00 AM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (LessDragProd@aol.com)
11. 10:02 AM - Re: gretz pitot module install (brian bollaert)
12. 10:10 AM - Re: gretz pitot module install (brian bollaert)
13. 10:26 AM - Re: Question for Tim: Gretz pitot (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
14. 10:26 AM - Re: gretz pitot module install (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
15. 10:28 AM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (Jim Combs)
16. 10:46 AM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (LessDragProd@aol.com)
17. 10:47 AM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
18. 10:52 AM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (Dj Merrill)
19. 11:20 AM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (John Jessen)
20. 11:40 AM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (Sean Stephens)
21. 11:42 AM - engine prices (David McNeill)
22. 11:48 AM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (Jim Combs)
23. 12:00 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (John Jessen)
24. 12:11 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
25. 01:00 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (linn walters)
26. 01:02 PM - Another idea for Gretz mount (John Hasbrouck)
27. 01:06 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antenna (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto)
28. 01:29 PM - Re: The impossible rivets - 1 won, 1 lost (Rick)
29. 01:50 PM - Re: engine prices (Rhonda Bewley)
30. 01:52 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (James Ochs)
31. 01:55 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antenna (Sean Stephens)
32. 02:11 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (LessDragProd@aol.com)
33. 02:17 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (James Hein)
34. 02:19 PM - Re: The impossible rivets - 1 won, 1 lost (Bruce Case)
35. 02:41 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (David McNeill)
36. 03:14 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (LessDragProd@aol.com)
37. 03:22 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
38. 04:06 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (James Hein)
39. 04:09 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (Sean Stephens)
40. 04:11 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (Sean Stephens)
41. 04:22 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (James Ochs)
42. 04:26 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (James Hein)
43. 07:01 PM - Air Box Recess (DejaVu)
44. 07:52 PM - Re: Wing Tip Antennae (Dj Merrill)
45. 08:09 PM - Re: engine prices (Tim Olson)
46. 09:03 PM - Re: engine prices (Mark)
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| Subject: | gretz pitot module install |
Hello John:
i have incl a pic of my module install .
Brian Bollaert
#40200
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| Subject: | Re: gretz pitot module install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Brian,
What is the antenna for? Who make it, etc.
Inquiring mind wants to know.
Thanks, Jim Combs
#40192,
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From: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
Hello John:
i have incl a pic of my module install .
Brian Bollaert
#40200
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| Subject: | Re: gretz pitot module install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Jim,
That's the Bob Archer Nav. I put one in my Left wing for use on
Nav 2. Brian: Interesting mounting. Never thought of attaching it
directly to the rib. Who taught you that trick? I riveted the
inboard side of the antenna underneath my nutplates on that tip, and
epoxied the antenna to the tip on the outer edge. Used the countersunk
screws on the center.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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Jim Combs wrote:
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> What is the antenna for? Who make it, etc.
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> Inquiring mind wants to know.
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> Thanks, Jim Combs
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> From: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
> Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:53:53 -0700
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> Hello John:
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> i have incl a pic of my module install .
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> Brian Bollaert
> #40200
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| Subject: | gretz pitot module install |
The antenna is the standard Archer Nav antenna. Just a unique mounting for it.
You can get it from Archer, Stein, ACS, Van's, etc.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: gretz pitot module install
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Brian,
What is the antenna for? Who make it, etc.
Inquiring mind wants to know.
Thanks, Jim Combs
#40192,
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From: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
Hello John:
i have incl a pic of my module install .
Brian Bollaert
#40200
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| Subject: | Wing Tip Antennae |
Folks,
I see many wing tip comm antennae being installed. Wasn't there a problem
with blind spots with these antennae? Are these better than traditional
placement? Is it primarily a cosmetic thing, or do these somehow improve on
the traditional? Do you need on per wing tip to cure the blind spots?
Where can I read up on this topic?
Thanks in advance,
John Jessen
40328 HS (still in buildus interruptus)
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| Subject: | Re: The impossible rivets - 1 won, 1 lost |
Thanks for the tip Rick, Just starting my RV-10. I like the color of your primer,
what brand did you use.
Bruce Case
RV-10, #446
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| Subject: | Wing Tip Antennae |
John,
Conventional wisdom is that the wingtip comm antennae have poor
performance. They require vertical polarization to perform well and
there just isn't much room in the wingtip for that. The Archer wingtip
nav antennae on the other hand are widely regarded as very good
performers (horizontal polarization). You'd think that there would be
shadowing issues, but most reports from the field claim outstanding
performance. Bob Archer specifically recommends AGAINST any sort of
hooking multiple antennae together to achieve some perceived benefit. I
installed one nav antenna in each wingtip along with his recommended
marker beacon antenna in one wingtip. They're light and inexpensive,
and if performance becomes an issue I'll just go with something external
later to cure it. Most folks are installing external, belly mounted
bent whip antenna (like a CI-122) for comms.
Bob #40105
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
Folks,
I see many wing tip comm antennae being installed. Wasn't there a
problem with blind spots with these antennae? Are these better than
traditional placement? Is it primarily a cosmetic thing, or do these
somehow improve on the traditional? Do you need on per wing tip to cure
the blind spots? Where can I read up on this topic?
Thanks in advance,
John Jessen
40328 HS (still in buildus interruptus)
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| Subject: | Re: Question for Tim: Gretz pitot |
Michael,
Thanks for the pictures! I addressed first post to Tim because his was the
only install I was aware of. Why not install the pitot mount to the outboard
of that rib using a splice from the rib flange to the mount? I know the instructions
call for an angle riveted to the other side of the rib but they indicate
there's isn't the only way to get the job done. Thoughts?
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Re: gretz pitot module install |
Brian,
Cool! Great picture! Is that the Archer antenna in the foreground?
John
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
Hi John and all,
The Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna is an improvement over the "traditional"
bipole VOR antenna.
This is my understanding of how the Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna works.
The Sportcraft wingtip antenna's are "gamma" antenna's. (Seems like just a
fancy way to label a ground plane antenna with a Greek letter "G".) The base
of the antenna, or the ground plane, receives the signal with the antenna
element (small aluminum plate connected to the center wire on the coax) acting
as a capacitor for the signal.
This doesn't make a perfect NAV antenna, but it is better than the
"traditional" NAV antenna.
The Sportcraft NAV antenna needs to be mounted as far forward in the wingtip
as possible. (A common mistake is to mount the antenna near the center of
the wingtip.)
Preferably, the base of the Sportcraft NAV antenna should be attached to the
wing skin (either the top, or the bottom) with as many fasteners as
possible. Including the antenna base as part of the wingtip nutplate attachment
is a
good thing. Having at least four good ground contacts with these fasteners
from the antenna base to the wing skin is a good thing. Five or more is
better. After painting, clean the paint out of the wing skin dimple so the
wingtip screw is against bare metal.
The wires for the NAV light, strobe light and landing light need to be
routed along the front edge of the Sportcraft NAV antenna in the Adel clamps
provided. This actually improves the operation of the Sportcraft NAV antenna.
(Do
not route any wires over the top of the antenna element.)
One last comment. If your install a Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna and the
Sportcraft Marker Beacon antenna in the same wingtip, the Marker Beacon
antenna only provides about a 10 mile range when connected to the NAV receiver.
:-)
Regards,
Jim Ayers
RV-3 N47RV with 2 Sportcraft antenna's (right wingtip COM and VS COM)
RV-4 (HR2) with 3 Sportcraft antenna's (wingtip NAV, wingtip COM and VS COM)
RV-6A with 3 Sportcraft antenna's (wingtip NAV, wingtip COM and VS COM)
In a message dated 10/21/2005 9:18:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jjessen@rcn.com writes:
Folks,
I see many wing tip comm antennae being installed. Wasn't there a problem
with blind spots with these antennae? Are these better than traditional
placement? Is it primarily a cosmetic thing, or do these somehow improve on the
traditional? Do you need on per wing tip to cure the blind spots? Where can
I read up on this topic?
Thanks in advance,
John Jessen
40328 HS (still in buildus interruptus)
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| Subject: | Re: gretz pitot module install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
Hi Jim:
Its a Bob Archer wing com antenna , your looking at the left wing , i have
a Nav ant Bob Archer in the right wing >
& a Belly commant plus belly transponder.
Brian B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: gretz pitot module install
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>
> Brian,
>
> What is the antenna for? Who make it, etc.
>
> Inquiring mind wants to know.
>
> Thanks, Jim Combs
>
> #40192,
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> Do Not Archive
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> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
> Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:53:53 -0700
>
> Hello John:
>
> i have incl a pic of my module install .
>
>
> Brian Bollaert
> #40200
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> --
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| Subject: | Re: gretz pitot module install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
Hello Tim:
Well you know those 2 am thinking sessions!!! , i just thought it would keep
the antenna centered in the tip in the block of foam seemed simple & should
work (we will see), anyway sorry to hear about the 1/16 th clearence on your
mount !!!!!!!!!!! not shure what i would do . how has it worked out for you
?, also saw the pics of your painted -10 looks great , i can imagine how you
feel @#$%$#.
Brian B
#40200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: gretz pitot module install
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Jim,
>
> That's the Bob Archer Nav. I put one in my Left wing for use on
> Nav 2. Brian: Interesting mounting. Never thought of attaching it
> directly to the rib. Who taught you that trick? I riveted the
> inboard side of the antenna underneath my nutplates on that tip, and
> epoxied the antenna to the tip on the outer edge. Used the countersunk
> screws on the center.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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> Jim Combs wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > What is the antenna for? Who make it, etc.
> >
> > Inquiring mind wants to know.
> >
> > Thanks, Jim Combs
> >
> > #40192,
> >
> > Do Not Archive
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> > From: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
> > Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:53:53 -0700
> >
> > Hello John:
> >
> > i have incl a pic of my module install .
> >
> >
> > Brian Bollaert
> > #40200
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| Subject: | Question for Tim: Gretz pitot |
You could probably do it either way without a problem. This just seemed the easiest
way for me at the time. My only suggestion is to keep it close to the last
outboard bay or you will need an access panel for that control unit.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hasbrouck
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Question for Tim: Gretz pitot
Michael,
Thanks for the pictures! I addressed first post to Tim because his was the
only install I was aware of. Why not install the pitot mount to the outboard
of that rib using a splice from the rib flange to the mount? I know the instructions
call for an angle riveted to the other side of the rib but they indicate
there's isn't the only way to get the job done. Thoughts?
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | gretz pitot module install |
The one comment I have about Brian's installation is that with it mounted half
way up the rib, there may be a greater amount of shadowing of the signal compared
to it being almost even with the bottom of the wing.
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: gretz pitot module install
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Jim,
That's the Bob Archer Nav. I put one in my Left wing for use on
Nav 2. Brian: Interesting mounting. Never thought of attaching it
directly to the rib. Who taught you that trick? I riveted the inboard side of
the antenna underneath my nutplates on that tip, and epoxied the antenna to the
tip on the outer edge. Used the countersunk screws on the center.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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Jim Combs wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs"
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> Brian,
>
> What is the antenna for? Who make it, etc.
>
> Inquiring mind wants to know.
>
> Thanks, Jim Combs
>
> #40192,
>
> Do Not Archive
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> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
> Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:53:53 -0700
>
> Hello John:
>
> i have incl a pic of my module install .
>
>
> Brian Bollaert
> #40200
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Jim,
Great set of pointers!
If I can summarize your words:
Do:
- Mount the Sportcraft NAV antenna as far forward in the wingtip as possible.
(A common mistake is to mount the antenna near the center of the wingtip.)
- The base of the Sportcraft NAV antenna should be attached to the wing skin (either
the top, or the bottom) with as many fasteners as possible.
- Include the antenna base as part of the wingtip nutplate attachment.
- Use at least four good ground contacts with these fasteners from the antenna
base to the wing skin (Five or more is better).
- After painting, clean the paint out of the wing skin dimple so the wingtip screw
is against bare metal.
- Route the wires for the NAV light, strobe light and landing light along the front
edge of the Sportcraft NAV antenna in the Adel clamps provided (This actually
improves the operation of the Sportcraft NAV antenna).
Don't:
- Do not route any wires over the top of the antenna element.
Question:
- If your install a Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna and the Sportcraft Marker Beacon
antenna in the same wingtip, the Marker Beacon antenna ONLY provides about
a 10 mile range when connected to the NAV receiver.
(Is this a good thing or a bad thing?)
Jim Combs
#40192 - N312F
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
Hi Jim,
It usually a bad thing to connect antenna's to the wrong radio connection.
It gets more embarrassing when the antenna coax cables are also labeled wrong
at the radio end. :-)
It usually works better to connect the NAV antenna to the NAV receiver.
However, almost anything will work.
By design, the marker beacon antenna should not work very well. After all,
what's the point of receiving the outer marker signal 5 miles out?
For the COM radio;
If you have a BNC connector on the end of the coax for the COM antenna, the
center conductor of the BNC connector, when left disconnected from the
antenna, will provide about a 1 mile range for the COM radio.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 10/21/2005 10:30:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jimc@mail.infra-read.com writes:
Question:
- If your install a Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna and the Sportcraft Marker
Beacon antenna in the same wingtip, the Marker Beacon antenna ONLY provides
about a 10 mile range when connected to the NAV receiver.
(Is this a good thing or a bad thing?)
Jim Combs
#40192 - N312F
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| Subject: | Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Just to reinforce: I talked personally with Bob Archer about
installation of the nav antenna in the RV-10 wingtip because I was
concerned about the adhesive backed foil from the Van's landing light
causing an issue. Bob A. reinforced the importance of mounting as far
forward as possible, and very close but not touching the foil from the
light. He also emphasized the importance of routing the wires along the
antenna in the provided nylon loops.
I also installed a MB antenna per his directions. If you do that you'll
need to mount the nav antenna on the top side of the wingtip instead of
the bottom where it would normally go. There are two models of his
antennae - one for left and another for right side mounting (assuming
they're going on the bottom surface of the wingtip). If you mount on
the top surface you'll need the opposite side antenna since they're
mirror images. In other words, If the left antenna is going to be on
the bottom surface and right antenna will be on the top, order two
"left" versions.
His directions for the MB antenna are to simply remove 53" of shield
from a length of antenna coax and attach it to the bottom surface of the
wingtip, parallel to the edge of the wing and 1" from the metal wing
surface. I used a few dabs of epoxy to secure mine.
Bob #40105
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Jim,
Great set of pointers!
If I can summarize your words:
Do:
- Mount the Sportcraft NAV antenna as far forward in the wingtip as
possible. (A common mistake is to mount the antenna near the center of
the wingtip.)
- The base of the Sportcraft NAV antenna should be attached to the wing
skin (either the top, or the bottom) with as many fasteners as possible.
- Include the antenna base as part of the wingtip nutplate attachment.
- Use at least four good ground contacts with these fasteners from the
antenna base to the wing skin (Five or more is better).
- After painting, clean the paint out of the wing skin dimple so the
wingtip screw is against bare metal.
- Route the wires for the NAV light, strobe light and landing light
along the front edge of the Sportcraft NAV antenna in the Adel clamps
provided (This actually improves the operation of the Sportcraft NAV
antenna).
Don't:
- Do not route any wires over the top of the antenna element.
Question:
- If your install a Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna and the Sportcraft
Marker Beacon antenna in the same wingtip, the Marker Beacon antenna
ONLY provides about a 10 mile range when connected to the NAV receiver.
(Is this a good thing or a bad thing?)
Jim Combs
#40192 - N312F
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Jim Combs wrote:
> - If your install a Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna and the Sportcraft Marker
Beacon antenna in the same wingtip, the Marker Beacon antenna ONLY provides about
a 10 mile range when connected to the NAV receiver.
> (Is this a good thing or a bad thing?)
>
Heh heh - bad thing - the MB antenna connects to the MB
receiver, not the NAV receiver... *grin*
I think he was saying he accidentally swapped the cables, and
found this out the hard way... :-)
-Dj
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| Subject: | Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Why wouldn't you put the MB antennae in the opposite wing tip? Does
something go in that wing tip that I'm not aware of right now? Obviously
I'm just now beginning to think about the radios and wings, given that I
just ordered the wings. Sorry if this has been discussed before.
John Jessen
40328 HS (and will check the archives on the topic when I get back from
this interminable trip)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
--> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Just to reinforce: I talked personally with Bob Archer about installation of
the nav antenna in the RV-10 wingtip because I was concerned about the
adhesive backed foil from the Van's landing light causing an issue. Bob A.
reinforced the importance of mounting as far forward as possible, and very
close but not touching the foil from the light. He also emphasized the
importance of routing the wires along the antenna in the provided nylon
loops.
I also installed a MB antenna per his directions. If you do that you'll
need to mount the nav antenna on the top side of the wingtip instead of the
bottom where it would normally go. There are two models of his antennae -
one for left and another for right side mounting (assuming they're going on
the bottom surface of the wingtip). If you mount on the top surface you'll
need the opposite side antenna since they're mirror images. In other words,
If the left antenna is going to be on the bottom surface and right antenna
will be on the top, order two "left" versions.
His directions for the MB antenna are to simply remove 53" of shield from a
length of antenna coax and attach it to the bottom surface of the wingtip,
parallel to the edge of the wing and 1" from the metal wing surface. I used
a few dabs of epoxy to secure mine.
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Jim,
Great set of pointers!
If I can summarize your words:
Do:
- Mount the Sportcraft NAV antenna as far forward in the wingtip as
possible. (A common mistake is to mount the antenna near the center of the
wingtip.)
- The base of the Sportcraft NAV antenna should be attached to the wing skin
(either the top, or the bottom) with as many fasteners as possible.
- Include the antenna base as part of the wingtip nutplate attachment.
- Use at least four good ground contacts with these fasteners from the
antenna base to the wing skin (Five or more is better).
- After painting, clean the paint out of the wing skin dimple so the wingtip
screw is against bare metal.
- Route the wires for the NAV light, strobe light and landing light along
the front edge of the Sportcraft NAV antenna in the Adel clamps provided
(This actually improves the operation of the Sportcraft NAV antenna).
Don't:
- Do not route any wires over the top of the antenna element.
Question:
- If your install a Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna and the Sportcraft Marker
Beacon antenna in the same wingtip, the Marker Beacon antenna ONLY provides
about a 10 mile range when connected to the NAV receiver.
(Is this a good thing or a bad thing?)
Jim Combs
#40192 - N312F
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Two wingtip nav antennas (one in each tip), plus a mb antenna in one of
the tips.
-Sean #40303
John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> Why wouldn't you put the MB antennae in the opposite wing tip? Does
> something go in that wing tip that I'm not aware of right now? Obviously
> I'm just now beginning to think about the radios and wings, given that I
> just ordered the wings. Sorry if this has been discussed before.
>
> John Jessen
> 40328 HS (and will check the archives on the topic when I get back from
> this interminable trip)
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US
> SSA)
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:49 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
> --> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Just to reinforce: I talked personally with Bob Archer about installation of
> the nav antenna in the RV-10 wingtip because I was concerned about the
> adhesive backed foil from the Van's landing light causing an issue. Bob A.
> reinforced the importance of mounting as far forward as possible, and very
> close but not touching the foil from the light. He also emphasized the
> importance of routing the wires along the antenna in the provided nylon
> loops.
>
> I also installed a MB antenna per his directions. If you do that you'll
> need to mount the nav antenna on the top side of the wingtip instead of the
> bottom where it would normally go. There are two models of his antennae -
> one for left and another for right side mounting (assuming they're going on
> the bottom surface of the wingtip). If you mount on the top surface you'll
> need the opposite side antenna since they're mirror images. In other words,
> If the left antenna is going to be on the bottom surface and right antenna
> will be on the top, order two "left" versions.
>
> His directions for the MB antenna are to simply remove 53" of shield from a
> length of antenna coax and attach it to the bottom surface of the wingtip,
> parallel to the edge of the wing and 1" from the metal wing surface. I used
> a few dabs of epoxy to secure mine.
>
> Bob #40105
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:28 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>
> Jim,
>
> Great set of pointers!
>
> If I can summarize your words:
>
> Do:
>
> - Mount the Sportcraft NAV antenna as far forward in the wingtip as
> possible. (A common mistake is to mount the antenna near the center of the
> wingtip.)
>
> - The base of the Sportcraft NAV antenna should be attached to the wing skin
> (either the top, or the bottom) with as many fasteners as possible.
>
> - Include the antenna base as part of the wingtip nutplate attachment.
>
> - Use at least four good ground contacts with these fasteners from the
> antenna base to the wing skin (Five or more is better).
>
> - After painting, clean the paint out of the wing skin dimple so the wingtip
> screw is against bare metal.
>
> - Route the wires for the NAV light, strobe light and landing light along
> the front edge of the Sportcraft NAV antenna in the Adel clamps provided
> (This actually improves the operation of the Sportcraft NAV antenna).
>
> Don't:
>
> - Do not route any wires over the top of the antenna element.
>
>
> Question:
>
> - If your install a Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna and the Sportcraft Marker
> Beacon antenna in the same wingtip, the Marker Beacon antenna ONLY provides
> about a 10 mile range when connected to the NAV receiver.
> (Is this a good thing or a bad thing?)
>
>
> Jim Combs
> #40192 - N312F
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Just got an email from Van Bortel that they are expecting a 7% increase on Lycoming
and Continental engine prices. I guess a rising tide lifts all ships.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Ahh!
Marking and identifying wiring (of all kinds) at each end is a topic all by itself!
Any good ideas for marking and labeling wiring?
Jim C
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Jim Combs wrote:
> - If your install a Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna and the Sportcraft Marker
Beacon antenna in the same wingtip, the Marker Beacon antenna ONLY provides about
a 10 mile range when connected to the NAV receiver.
> (Is this a good thing or a bad thing?)
>
Heh heh - bad thing - the MB antenna connects to the MB
receiver, not the NAV receiver... *grin*
I think he was saying he accidentally swapped the cables, and
found this out the hard way... :-)
-Dj
do not archive
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| Subject: | Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Ahhhhhhh. Stupid me. Two comms. Two antennaes.
Duh
John Jessen
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Two wingtip nav antennas (one in each tip), plus a mb antenna in one of the
tips.
-Sean #40303
John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> Why wouldn't you put the MB antennae in the opposite wing tip? Does
> something go in that wing tip that I'm not aware of right now?
> Obviously I'm just now beginning to think about the radios and wings,
> given that I just ordered the wings. Sorry if this has been discussed
before.
>
> John Jessen
> 40328 HS (and will check the archives on the topic when I get back
> from this interminable trip)
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey,
> Bob (US
> SSA)
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:49 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
> --> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Just to reinforce: I talked personally with Bob Archer about
> installation of the nav antenna in the RV-10 wingtip because I was
> concerned about the adhesive backed foil from the Van's landing light
causing an issue. Bob A.
> reinforced the importance of mounting as far forward as possible, and
> very close but not touching the foil from the light. He also
> emphasized the importance of routing the wires along the antenna in
> the provided nylon loops.
>
> I also installed a MB antenna per his directions. If you do that
> you'll need to mount the nav antenna on the top side of the wingtip
> instead of the bottom where it would normally go. There are two
> models of his antennae - one for left and another for right side
> mounting (assuming they're going on the bottom surface of the
> wingtip). If you mount on the top surface you'll need the opposite
> side antenna since they're mirror images. In other words, If the left
> antenna is going to be on the bottom surface and right antenna will be on
the top, order two "left" versions.
>
> His directions for the MB antenna are to simply remove 53" of shield
> from a length of antenna coax and attach it to the bottom surface of
> the wingtip, parallel to the edge of the wing and 1" from the metal
> wing surface. I used a few dabs of epoxy to secure mine.
>
> Bob #40105
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:28 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs"
> --> <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>
> Jim,
>
> Great set of pointers!
>
> If I can summarize your words:
>
> Do:
>
> - Mount the Sportcraft NAV antenna as far forward in the wingtip as
> possible. (A common mistake is to mount the antenna near the center
> of the
> wingtip.)
>
> - The base of the Sportcraft NAV antenna should be attached to the
> wing skin (either the top, or the bottom) with as many fasteners as
possible.
>
> - Include the antenna base as part of the wingtip nutplate attachment.
>
> - Use at least four good ground contacts with these fasteners from the
> antenna base to the wing skin (Five or more is better).
>
> - After painting, clean the paint out of the wing skin dimple so the
> wingtip screw is against bare metal.
>
> - Route the wires for the NAV light, strobe light and landing light
> along the front edge of the Sportcraft NAV antenna in the Adel clamps
> provided (This actually improves the operation of the Sportcraft NAV
antenna).
>
> Don't:
>
> - Do not route any wires over the top of the antenna element.
>
>
> Question:
>
> - If your install a Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna and the Sportcraft
> Marker Beacon antenna in the same wingtip, the Marker Beacon antenna
> ONLY provides about a 10 mile range when connected to the NAV receiver.
> (Is this a good thing or a bad thing?)
>
>
> Jim Combs
> #40192 - N312F
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I put a nav antenna in each wingtip.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Why wouldn't you put the MB antennae in the opposite wing tip? Does
something go in that wing tip that I'm not aware of right now?
Obviously
I'm just now beginning to think about the radios and wings, given that I
just ordered the wings. Sorry if this has been discussed before.
John Jessen
40328 HS (and will check the archives on the topic when I get back
from
this interminable trip)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US
SSA)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
--> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Just to reinforce: I talked personally with Bob Archer about
installation of
the nav antenna in the RV-10 wingtip because I was concerned about the
adhesive backed foil from the Van's landing light causing an issue. Bob
A.
reinforced the importance of mounting as far forward as possible, and
very
close but not touching the foil from the light. He also emphasized the
importance of routing the wires along the antenna in the provided nylon
loops.
I also installed a MB antenna per his directions. If you do that you'll
need to mount the nav antenna on the top side of the wingtip instead of
the
bottom where it would normally go. There are two models of his antennae
-
one for left and another for right side mounting (assuming they're going
on
the bottom surface of the wingtip). If you mount on the top surface
you'll
need the opposite side antenna since they're mirror images. In other
words,
If the left antenna is going to be on the bottom surface and right
antenna
will be on the top, order two "left" versions.
His directions for the MB antenna are to simply remove 53" of shield
from a
length of antenna coax and attach it to the bottom surface of the
wingtip,
parallel to the edge of the wing and 1" from the metal wing surface. I
used
a few dabs of epoxy to secure mine.
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Jim,
Great set of pointers!
If I can summarize your words:
Do:
- Mount the Sportcraft NAV antenna as far forward in the wingtip as
possible. (A common mistake is to mount the antenna near the center of
the
wingtip.)
- The base of the Sportcraft NAV antenna should be attached to the wing
skin
(either the top, or the bottom) with as many fasteners as possible.
- Include the antenna base as part of the wingtip nutplate attachment.
- Use at least four good ground contacts with these fasteners from the
antenna base to the wing skin (Five or more is better).
- After painting, clean the paint out of the wing skin dimple so the
wingtip
screw is against bare metal.
- Route the wires for the NAV light, strobe light and landing light
along
the front edge of the Sportcraft NAV antenna in the Adel clamps provided
(This actually improves the operation of the Sportcraft NAV antenna).
Don't:
- Do not route any wires over the top of the antenna element.
Question:
- If your install a Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna and the Sportcraft
Marker
Beacon antenna in the same wingtip, the Marker Beacon antenna ONLY
provides
about a 10 mile range when connected to the NAV receiver.
(Is this a good thing or a bad thing?)
Jim Combs
#40192 - N312F
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
You can print out an identifier (name or number or function etc.) and
use clear het shrink tubing to hold it on a wire. You can use
labelmakers like the Brother and do the same thing, but when printing a
wire list, you can control the font size easily.
Linn
Jim Combs wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>
>Ahh!
>
>Marking and identifying wiring (of all kinds) at each end is a topic all by itself!
>
>Any good ideas for marking and labeling wiring?
>
>Jim C
>
>
--
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| Subject: | Another idea for Gretz mount |
Some pictures are attached that show my idea for pitot mount. I wanted to keep
all access to the pitot and mount in the last bay so I doubled and extended the
flange of the next to last rib to provide a mounting surface similar to that
shown in the instructions for the Gretz mount. See what you all think.
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| Subject: | Wing Tip Antenna |
I have no idea how much room we have in the cowls as I'm not there yet, but I
know some people have glassed the stripped coax MB antenna into the lower cowl.
I plan on investigating that option. Anyone that has fitted their cowls have
any input on this?
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
--> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Just to reinforce: I talked personally with Bob Archer about installation of the
nav antenna in the RV-10 wingtip because I was concerned about the adhesive
backed foil from the Van's landing light causing an issue. Bob A. reinforced
the importance of mounting as far forward as possible, and very close but not
touching the foil from the light. He also emphasized the importance of routing
the wires along the antenna in the provided nylon loops.
I also installed a MB antenna per his directions. If you do that you'll need to
mount the nav antenna on the top side of the wingtip instead of the bottom where
it would normally go. There are two models of his antennae - one for left
and another for right side mounting (assuming they're going on the bottom surface
of the wingtip). If you mount on the top surface you'll need the opposite
side antenna since they're mirror images. In other words, If the left antenna
is going to be on the bottom surface and right antenna will be on the top,
order two "left" versions.
His directions for the MB antenna are to simply remove 53" of shield from a length
of antenna coax and attach it to the bottom surface of the wingtip, parallel
to the edge of the wing and 1" from the metal wing surface. I used a few dabs
of epoxy to secure mine.
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Jim,
Great set of pointers!
If I can summarize your words:
Do:
- Mount the Sportcraft NAV antenna as far forward in the wingtip as possible.
(A common mistake is to mount the antenna near the center of the wingtip.)
- The base of the Sportcraft NAV antenna should be attached to the wing skin (either
the top, or the bottom) with as many fasteners as possible.
- Include the antenna base as part of the wingtip nutplate attachment.
- Use at least four good ground contacts with these fasteners from the antenna
base to the wing skin (Five or more is better).
- After painting, clean the paint out of the wing skin dimple so the wingtip screw
is against bare metal.
- Route the wires for the NAV light, strobe light and landing light along the front
edge of the Sportcraft NAV antenna in the Adel clamps provided (This actually
improves the operation of the Sportcraft NAV antenna).
Don't:
- Do not route any wires over the top of the antenna element.
Question:
- If your install a Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna and the Sportcraft Marker Beacon
antenna in the same wingtip, the Marker Beacon antenna ONLY provides about
a 10 mile range when connected to the NAV receiver.
(Is this a good thing or a bad thing?)
Jim Combs
#40192 - N312F
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I don't believe the price increase they are talking about is from
Lycoming. They are no longer an authorized Lycoming distributor (see
the very, very fine print in their ad.) It is common for all engine
suppliers to put a price increase into effect at the beginning of the
year, as we have discussed on the list before. This increase must
coming from their alternate supplier, whomever that is . . .
Rhonda
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Subject: RV10-List: engine prices
Just got an email from Van Bortel that they are expecting a 7% increase
on Lycoming and Continental engine prices. I guess a rising tide lifts
all ships.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
This thing rocks for making labels to put on wire ends:
http://www.lanshack.com/tls2200.asp
its a bit pricey, but we used one of these during a data center
installation for the network cables and it prints so that the type is
parallel to the direction the wire runs on a white square, then the
label has clear plastic that wraps around it and sticks it together and
protects the printing.
James
#40400
linn walters wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> You can print out an identifier (name or number or function etc.) and
> use clear het shrink tubing to hold it on a wire. You can use
> labelmakers like the Brother and do the same thing, but when printing
> a wire list, you can control the font size easily.
> Linn
> Jim Combs wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>>
>> Ahh!
>> Marking and identifying wiring (of all kinds) at each end is a topic
>> all by itself!
>>
>> Any good ideas for marking and labeling wiring?
>> Jim C
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antenna |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
I am also looking for other option besides the wingtip to mount my
Archer MB Antenna.
You know of any pictures out there of a lower cowl installation?
-Sean #40303
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> I have no idea how much room we have in the cowls as I'm not there
> yet, but I know some people have glassed the stripped coax MB antenna
> into the lower cowl. I plan on investigating that option. Anyone
> that has fitted their cowls have any input on this?
>
> Michael
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey,
> Bob (US SSA)
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:49 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
> --> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Just to reinforce: I talked personally with Bob Archer about
> installation of the nav antenna in the RV-10 wingtip because I was
> concerned about the adhesive backed foil from the Van's landing light
> causing an issue. Bob A. reinforced the importance of mounting as far
> forward as possible, and very close but not touching the foil from the
> light. He also emphasized the importance of routing the wires along
> the antenna in the provided nylon loops.
>
> I also installed a MB antenna per his directions. If you do that
> you'll need to mount the nav antenna on the top side of the wingtip
> instead of the bottom where it would normally go. There are two
> models of his antennae - one for left and another for right side
> mounting (assuming they're going on the bottom surface of the
> wingtip). If you mount on the top surface you'll need the opposite
> side antenna since they're mirror images. In other words, If the left
> antenna is going to be on the bottom surface and right antenna will be
> on the top, order two "left" versions.
>
> His directions for the MB antenna are to simply remove 53" of shield
> from a length of antenna coax and attach it to the bottom surface of
> the wingtip, parallel to the edge of the wing and 1" from the metal
> wing surface. I used a few dabs of epoxy to secure mine.
>
> Bob #40105
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:28 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>
> Jim,
>
> Great set of pointers!
>
> If I can summarize your words:
>
> Do:
>
> - Mount the Sportcraft NAV antenna as far forward in the wingtip as
> possible. (A common mistake is to mount the antenna near the center
> of the wingtip.)
>
> - The base of the Sportcraft NAV antenna should be attached to the
> wing skin (either the top, or the bottom) with as many fasteners as
> possible.
>
> - Include the antenna base as part of the wingtip nutplate attachment.
>
> - Use at least four good ground contacts with these fasteners from the
> antenna base to the wing skin (Five or more is better).
>
> - After painting, clean the paint out of the wing skin dimple so the
> wingtip screw is against bare metal.
>
> - Route the wires for the NAV light, strobe light and landing light
> along the front edge of the Sportcraft NAV antenna in the Adel clamps
> provided (This actually improves the operation of the Sportcraft NAV
> antenna).
>
> Don't:
>
> - Do not route any wires over the top of the antenna element.
>
>
> Question:
>
> - If your install a Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna and the Sportcraft
> Marker Beacon antenna in the same wingtip, the Marker Beacon antenna
> ONLY provides about a 10 mile range when connected to the NAV receiver.
> (Is this a good thing or a bad thing?)
>
>
> Jim Combs
> #40192 - N312F
>
>
> ====================================
> RV10-List Email Forum -
> more:
> bsp;
> ====================================
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
For dual NAV radio's, this would work great. One NAV antenna into each NAV
receiver will maximize the NAV radio signal.
For two NAV antenna's into one NAV radio, it's a disaster. With a node
(dead spot) for every two feet of wingspan, the reception will be very erratic.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 10/21/2005 11:43:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
schmoboy@cox.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Two wingtip nav antennas (one in each tip), plus a mb antenna in one of
the tips.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Hey, I've got one of those! They do indeed rock. I tend to use them on
my ham radio antenna/power wiring. They certainly do seem to last forever.
As long as we're showing cool tools, how about a tool to check the
resonant frequency and SWR of your antennas?
http://www.mfjenterprises.com/products.php?prodid=MFJ-269
As for antennas, Try the antenna book!
http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?category=Antennas%2C+Transmission+Lines+%26+Propagation&words=
<http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?category=Antennas%2C+Transmission+Lines+%26+Propagation&words=>
Now, as for the discussion on antennas and coupling, here are my views:
1. You CAN couple antennas (even transmitting antennas), however you
must have:
a) a proper balun to couple the signals and match the impedance
of the antennas to the line
b) proper spacing/phasing to get a good gain from the antenna pair
2. Coupling (identical) antennas will only result in a signal
increase of +3db
3. If you mismatch polarization (for example, you have H polarity
and the base station has V polarity), you will get a loss of about 20db,
resulting in a signal level of about 1/6 of what you would have if you
had the polarity the same. In the "real world" however, there are signal
reflections, etc. that influence the signal level.
Did I mention that I am *really* into ham radio? I have built my own
antennas and by far the most important thing you can do to improve your
signal is to match the antenna to the line and make sure your antenna is
at the correct length to resonate efficently at the frequency you desire.
-Jim 40384 (Ham radio call N8VIM)
Now let the antenna wars begin!
James Ochs wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>
> This thing rocks for making labels to put on wire ends:
>
> http://www.lanshack.com/tls2200.asp
>
> its a bit pricey, but we used one of these during a data center
> installation for the network cables and it prints so that the type is
> parallel to the direction the wire runs on a white square, then the
> label has clear plastic that wraps around it and sticks it together
> and protects the printing.
>
> James
> #40400
>
> linn walters wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>>
>> You can print out an identifier (name or number or function etc.) and
>> use clear het shrink tubing to hold it on a wire. You can use
>> labelmakers like the Brother and do the same thing, but when printing
>> a wire list, you can control the font size easily.
>> Linn
>> Jim Combs wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>>>
>>> Ahh!
>>> Marking and identifying wiring (of all kinds) at each end is a topic
>>> all by itself!
>>>
>>> Any good ideas for marking and labeling wiring?
>>> Jim C
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The impossible rivets - 1 won, 1 lost |
Thanks for the response Rick,
I am leaning towards just priming mating surfaces as well plus any non-Alcad pieces.
I am an A&P student and basically most planes that come into the shop look
really good inside if they have had a decent hangar and look pretty bad if
they are stored outside. Cessna didn't prime at all for many years. I will
look into the Tempo product, I have typically used Dupont Variprime on the job
but would prefer the gray color. I think Zinc Chromate is inferior to any of
the modern etching primers if you don't do a great job of prep.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: The impossible rivets - 1 won, 1 lost
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick
Bruce,
I used several brands but the one in the picture is Tempo self etching grey from
Spruce. I have also used AKZO in the tail feathers...two part tough as nails
but sorta a pain to mix, spray and clean up (insert lazy here) I have Zinc
Chromate in the wings, SW 988 here and there...no particular reasons for any
one of them. Rattle cans are OK but you will spend more money, if your into mixing
and spraying SW has an epoxy primer that is really nice and very tough. AKZO
has that aviation color that some prefer and it is good stuff as well....I'm
sure you have heard of the "primer wars" there are so many different methods
to choose from. FWIW I was originally was looking at the Zenith 601. I went
to their factory and the method of choice for them is to brush Zinc Chromate on
all mating surfaces and leave the rest of the protection to the alcad coating
on the aluminum. The spray can primers can be a bit tender until they really
cure well but in a day or two they are much less apt to scratch. I buff with
the red scotch pad, clean with MEK and paint them in my back yard on a set of
old saw horses with a 2' X 6' wood frame made from 2x2's covered with chicken
wire. Only damage is the overspray has caused the humming birds to grow an extra
head and now I have to refill the feeder twice as often.
Rick S.
40185
Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
Perhaps a dumb question but why is anyone installing a MB. The MB identifies
at most two points on an approach. Any IFR capable 10 will have a IFR GPS
moving map which will give location all along the final approach path. I
believe that in most cases GPS can substitute in the legal sense and thus
the MB has little practical value?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Stephens" <schmoboy@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> Two wingtip nav antennas (one in each tip), plus a mb antenna in one of
> the tips.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> John Jessen wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>>
>> Why wouldn't you put the MB antennae in the opposite wing tip? Does
>> something go in that wing tip that I'm not aware of right now? Obviously
>> I'm just now beginning to think about the radios and wings, given that I
>> just ordered the wings. Sorry if this has been discussed before.
>> John Jessen
>> 40328 HS (and will check the archives on the topic when I get back
>> from
>> this interminable trip)
>>
>> Do not archive
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
>> (US
>> SSA)
>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:49 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" -->
>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>
>> Just to reinforce: I talked personally with Bob Archer about installation
>> of
>> the nav antenna in the RV-10 wingtip because I was concerned about the
>> adhesive backed foil from the Van's landing light causing an issue. Bob
>> A.
>> reinforced the importance of mounting as far forward as possible, and
>> very
>> close but not touching the foil from the light. He also emphasized the
>> importance of routing the wires along the antenna in the provided nylon
>> loops.
>>
>> I also installed a MB antenna per his directions. If you do that you'll
>> need to mount the nav antenna on the top side of the wingtip instead of
>> the
>> bottom where it would normally go. There are two models of his
>> antennae -
>> one for left and another for right side mounting (assuming they're going
>> on
>> the bottom surface of the wingtip). If you mount on the top surface
>> you'll
>> need the opposite side antenna since they're mirror images. In other
>> words,
>> If the left antenna is going to be on the bottom surface and right
>> antenna
>> will be on the top, order two "left" versions.
>>
>> His directions for the MB antenna are to simply remove 53" of shield from
>> a
>> length of antenna coax and attach it to the bottom surface of the
>> wingtip,
>> parallel to the edge of the wing and 1" from the metal wing surface. I
>> used
>> a few dabs of epoxy to secure mine.
>> Bob #40105
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:28 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Great set of pointers!
>>
>> If I can summarize your words:
>>
>> Do:
>>
>> - Mount the Sportcraft NAV antenna as far forward in the wingtip as
>> possible. (A common mistake is to mount the antenna near the center of
>> the
>> wingtip.)
>>
>> - The base of the Sportcraft NAV antenna should be attached to the wing
>> skin
>> (either the top, or the bottom) with as many fasteners as possible.
>>
>> - Include the antenna base as part of the wingtip nutplate attachment.
>>
>> - Use at least four good ground contacts with these fasteners from the
>> antenna base to the wing skin (Five or more is better).
>>
>> - After painting, clean the paint out of the wing skin dimple so the
>> wingtip
>> screw is against bare metal.
>>
>> - Route the wires for the NAV light, strobe light and landing light along
>> the front edge of the Sportcraft NAV antenna in the Adel clamps provided
>> (This actually improves the operation of the Sportcraft NAV antenna).
>>
>> Don't:
>>
>> - Do not route any wires over the top of the antenna element.
>>
>>
>>
>> Question:
>>
>> - If your install a Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna and the Sportcraft
>> Marker
>> Beacon antenna in the same wingtip, the Marker Beacon antenna ONLY
>> provides
>> about a 10 mile range when connected to the NAV receiver.
>> (Is this a good thing or a bad thing?)
>>
>>
>> Jim Combs
>> #40192 - N312F
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
Just a semantics issue. Aircraft antenna's need to be LOW gain antenna's so
they can transmit and receive equally well in all directions.
IMHO, HIGH gain is a bad thing for aircraft antenna's. (Even if it is a
good thing for Ham operations.)
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 10/21/2005 2:19:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
n8vim@arrl.net writes:
Now, as for the discussion on antennas and coupling, here are my views:
1. You CAN couple antennas (even transmitting antennas), however you
must have:
a) a proper balun to couple the signals and match the impedance
of the antennas to the line
b) proper spacing/phasing to get a good gain from the antenna pair
2. Coupling (identical) antennas will only result in a signal
increase of +3db
3. If you mismatch polarization (for example, you have H polarity
and the base station has V polarity), you will get a loss of about 20db,
resulting in a signal level of about 1/6 of what you would have if you
had the polarity the same. In the "real world" however, there are signal
reflections, etc. that influence the signal level.
Did I mention that I am *really* into ham radio? I have built my own
antennas and by far the most important thing you can do to improve your
signal is to match the antenna to the line and make sure your antenna is
at the correct length to resonate efficently at the frequency you desire.
-Jim 40384 (Ham radio call N8VIM)
Now let the antenna wars begin!
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| Subject: | Wing Tip Antennae |
It's cheap insurance, especially when the upper end PS Engineering intercoms,
which is what I will be using, come with the reciever built in.
Michael
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
Perhaps a dumb question but why is anyone installing a MB. The MB identifies at
most two points on an approach. Any IFR capable 10 will have a IFR GPS moving
map which will give location all along the final approach path. I believe that
in most cases GPS can substitute in the legal sense and thus the MB has little
practical value?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Stephens" <schmoboy@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> Two wingtip nav antennas (one in each tip), plus a mb antenna in one
> of the tips.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> John Jessen wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>>
>> Why wouldn't you put the MB antennae in the opposite wing tip? Does
>> something go in that wing tip that I'm not aware of right now?
>> Obviously I'm just now beginning to think about the radios and wings,
>> given that I just ordered the wings. Sorry if this has been discussed before.
>> John Jessen
>> 40328 HS (and will check the archives on the topic when I get
>> back from this interminable trip)
>>
>> Do not archive
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey,
>> Bob (US
>> SSA)
>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:49 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" -->
>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>
>> Just to reinforce: I talked personally with Bob Archer about
>> installation of the nav antenna in the RV-10 wingtip because I was
>> concerned about the adhesive backed foil from the Van's landing light
>> causing an issue. Bob A.
>> reinforced the importance of mounting as far forward as possible, and
>> very close but not touching the foil from the light. He also
>> emphasized the importance of routing the wires along the antenna in
>> the provided nylon loops.
>>
>> I also installed a MB antenna per his directions. If you do that
>> you'll need to mount the nav antenna on the top side of the wingtip
>> instead of the bottom where it would normally go. There are two
>> models of his antennae - one for left and another for right side
>> mounting (assuming they're going on the bottom surface of the
>> wingtip). If you mount on the top surface you'll need the opposite
>> side antenna since they're mirror images. In other words, If the
>> left antenna is going to be on the bottom surface and right antenna
>> will be on the top, order two "left" versions.
>>
>> His directions for the MB antenna are to simply remove 53" of shield
>> from a length of antenna coax and attach it to the bottom surface of
>> the wingtip, parallel to the edge of the wing and 1" from the metal
>> wing surface. I used a few dabs of epoxy to secure mine.
>> Bob #40105
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:28 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs"
>> --> <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Great set of pointers!
>>
>> If I can summarize your words:
>>
>> Do:
>>
>> - Mount the Sportcraft NAV antenna as far forward in the wingtip as
>> possible. (A common mistake is to mount the antenna near the center
>> of the
>> wingtip.)
>>
>> - The base of the Sportcraft NAV antenna should be attached to the
>> wing skin (either the top, or the bottom) with as many fasteners as
>> possible.
>>
>> - Include the antenna base as part of the wingtip nutplate attachment.
>>
>> - Use at least four good ground contacts with these fasteners from
>> the antenna base to the wing skin (Five or more is better).
>>
>> - After painting, clean the paint out of the wing skin dimple so the
>> wingtip screw is against bare metal.
>>
>> - Route the wires for the NAV light, strobe light and landing light
>> along the front edge of the Sportcraft NAV antenna in the Adel clamps
>> provided (This actually improves the operation of the Sportcraft NAV antenna).
>>
>> Don't:
>>
>> - Do not route any wires over the top of the antenna element.
>>
>>
>>
>> Question:
>>
>> - If your install a Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna and the Sportcraft
>> Marker Beacon antenna in the same wingtip, the Marker Beacon antenna
>> ONLY provides about a 10 mile range when connected to the NAV
>> receiver.
>> (Is this a good thing or a bad thing?)
>>
>>
>> Jim Combs
>> #40192 - N312F
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Gain can be omnidirectional as well. For example, a 1/4 wave
omnidirectional antenna is said to have 0db (d) gain, but a 7/8 wave
omnidirectional antenna has about 5.2db (d) gain. Both radiate equally
in all directions.
Now, you can increase gain in one direction by decreasing it in another,
but you can increase gain in an omni antenna in other ways as well.
-Jim 40384
LessDragProd@aol.com wrote:
> Just a semantics issue. Aircraft antenna's need to be LOW gain
> antenna's so they can transmit and receive equally well in all directions.
>
> IMHO, HIGH gain is a bad thing for aircraft antenna's. (Even if it is
> a good thing for Ham operations.)
>
> Regards,
> Jim Ayers
>
> In a message dated 10/21/2005 2:19:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> n8vim@arrl.net writes:
>
> Now, as for the discussion on antennas and coupling, here are my
> views:
> 1. You CAN couple antennas (even transmitting antennas),
> however you
> must have:
> a) a proper balun to couple the signals and match the
> impedance
> of the antennas to the line
> b) proper spacing/phasing to get a good gain from the
> antenna pair
> 2. Coupling (identical) antennas will only result in a signal
> increase of +3db
> 3. If you mismatch polarization (for example, you have H polarity
> and the base station has V polarity), you will get a loss of about
> 20db,
> resulting in a signal level of about 1/6 of what you would have if
> you
> had the polarity the same. In the "real world" however, there are
> signal
> reflections, etc. that influence the signal level.
>
> Did I mention that I am *really* into ham radio? I have built my own
> antennas and by far the most important thing you can do to improve
> your
> signal is to match the antenna to the line and make sure your
> antenna is
> at the correct length to resonate efficently at the frequency you
> desire.
>
> -Jim 40384 (Ham radio call N8VIM)
>
> Now let the antenna wars begin!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Same here.
Sen #40303
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> It's cheap insurance, especially when the upper end PS Engineering
> intercoms, which is what I will be using, come with the reciever built in.
>
> Michael
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:41 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
>
> Perhaps a dumb question but why is anyone installing a MB. The MB
> identifies at most two points on an approach. Any IFR capable 10 will
> have a IFR GPS moving map which will give location all along the final
> approach path. I believe that in most cases GPS can substitute in the
> legal sense and thus the MB has little practical value?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sean Stephens" <schmoboy@cox.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:39 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
> >
> > Two wingtip nav antennas (one in each tip), plus a mb antenna in one
> > of the tips.
> >
> > -Sean #40303
> >
> > John Jessen wrote:
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
> >>
> >> Why wouldn't you put the MB antennae in the opposite wing tip? Does
> >> something go in that wing tip that I'm not aware of right now?
> >> Obviously I'm just now beginning to think about the radios and wings,
> >> given that I just ordered the wings. Sorry if this has been
> discussed before.
> >> John Jessen
> >> 40328 HS (and will check the archives on the topic when I get
> >> back from this interminable trip)
> >>
> >> Do not archive
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey,
> >> Bob (US
> >> SSA)
> >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:49 AM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" -->
> >> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
> >>
> >> Just to reinforce: I talked personally with Bob Archer about
> >> installation of the nav antenna in the RV-10 wingtip because I was
> >> concerned about the adhesive backed foil from the Van's landing light
> >> causing an issue. Bob A.
> >> reinforced the importance of mounting as far forward as possible, and
> >> very close but not touching the foil from the light. He also
> >> emphasized the importance of routing the wires along the antenna in
> >> the provided nylon loops.
> >>
> >> I also installed a MB antenna per his directions. If you do that
> >> you'll need to mount the nav antenna on the top side of the wingtip
> >> instead of the bottom where it would normally go. There are two
> >> models of his antennae - one for left and another for right side
> >> mounting (assuming they're going on the bottom surface of the
> >> wingtip). If you mount on the top surface you'll need the opposite
> >> side antenna since they're mirror images. In other words, If the
> >> left antenna is going to be on the bottom surface and right antenna
> >> will be on the top, order two "left" versions.
> >>
> >> His directions for the MB antenna are to simply remove 53" of shield
> >> from a length of antenna coax and attach it to the bottom surface of
> >> the wingtip, parallel to the edge of the wing and 1" from the metal
> >> wing surface. I used a few dabs of epoxy to secure mine.
> >> Bob #40105
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
> >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:28 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Tip Antennae
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs"
> >> --> <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
> >>
> >> Jim,
> >>
> >> Great set of pointers!
> >>
> >> If I can summarize your words:
> >>
> >> Do:
> >>
> >> - Mount the Sportcraft NAV antenna as far forward in the wingtip as
> >> possible. (A common mistake is to mount the antenna near the center
> >> of the
> >> wingtip.)
> >>
> >> - The base of the Sportcraft NAV antenna should be attached to the
> >> wing skin (either the top, or the bottom) with as many fasteners as
> >> possible.
> >>
> >> - Include the antenna base as part of the wingtip nutplate attachment.
> >>
> >> - Use at least four good ground contacts with these fasteners from
> >> the antenna base to the wing skin (Five or more is better).
> >>
> >> - After painting, clean the paint out of the wing skin dimple so the
> >> wingtip screw is against bare metal.
> >>
> >> - Route the wires for the NAV light, strobe light and landing light
> >> along the front edge of the Sportcraft NAV antenna in the Adel clamps
> >> provided (This actually improves the operation of the Sportcraft
> NAV antenna).
> >>
> >> Don't:
> >>
> >> - Do not route any wires over the top of the antenna element.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Question:
> >>
> >> - If your install a Sportcraft wingtip NAV antenna and the Sportcraft
> >> Marker Beacon antenna in the same wingtip, the Marker Beacon antenna
> >> ONLY provides about a 10 mile range when connected to the NAV
> >> receiver.
> >> (Is this a good thing or a bad thing?)
> >>
> >>
> >> Jim Combs
> >> #40192 - N312F
> >>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
The one thing to be careful of is using a thermal printer in conjunction
with shrink wrap??? Heating the shrink wrap over the thermal label will
damage the printing???
The question marks are because I'm not positive and am more just asking.
-Sean #40303
James Ochs wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>
> This thing rocks for making labels to put on wire ends:
>
> http://www.lanshack.com/tls2200.asp
>
> its a bit pricey, but we used one of these during a data center
> installation for the network cables and it prints so that the type is
> parallel to the direction the wire runs on a white square, then the
> label has clear plastic that wraps around it and sticks it together
> and protects the printing.
>
> James
> #40400
>
> linn walters wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>>
>> You can print out an identifier (name or number or function etc.) and
>> use clear het shrink tubing to hold it on a wire. You can use
>> labelmakers like the Brother and do the same thing, but when printing
>> a wire list, you can control the font size easily.
>> Linn
>> Jim Combs wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>>>
>>> Ahh!
>>> Marking and identifying wiring (of all kinds) at each end is a topic
>>> all by itself!
>>>
>>> Any good ideas for marking and labeling wiring?
>>> Jim C
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
That printer doesn't use shrink wrap. Its an adhesive label and only a
small portion of the label is printable area, the rest is clear... it
just wraps around itself.
James
Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> The one thing to be careful of is using a thermal printer in
> conjunction with shrink wrap??? Heating the shrink wrap over the
> thermal label will damage the printing???
>
> The question marks are because I'm not positive and am more just asking.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> James Ochs wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>>
>> This thing rocks for making labels to put on wire ends:
>>
>> http://www.lanshack.com/tls2200.asp
>>
>> its a bit pricey, but we used one of these during a data center
>> installation for the network cables and it prints so that the type is
>> parallel to the direction the wire runs on a white square, then the
>> label has clear plastic that wraps around it and sticks it together
>> and protects the printing.
>>
>> James
>> #40400
>>
>> linn walters wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>>>
>>> You can print out an identifier (name or number or function etc.)
>>> and use clear het shrink tubing to hold it on a wire. You can use
>>> labelmakers like the Brother and do the same thing, but when
>>> printing a wire list, you can control the font size easily.
>>> Linn
>>> Jim Combs wrote:
>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs"
>>>> <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>>>>
>>>> Ahh!
>>>> Marking and identifying wiring (of all kinds) at each end is a
>>>> topic all by itself!
>>>>
>>>> Any good ideas for marking and labeling wiring?
>>>> Jim C
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
The TLS is not really a thermal printer. It is a thermal *transfer*
printer.
The difference is that in a thermal printer, a chemical coating on the
label/paper itself turns black when heat is applied, but a thermal
transfer printer actually uses a "ribbon" which is not ink, but
something similar to a carbon tape. The print head heats the area up and
it is thermally bonded to the backing (label stock). This method will
not fade or darken with heat.
Another point: the labels for the TLS printer are self laminating. What
you do is print only on 1/3 of the label, while the other 2/3 is clear.
When you wrap the label on the cable, you'll wrap the clear part over
the printed part and that's how it gets laminated!
-Jim 40384
Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> The one thing to be careful of is using a thermal printer in
> conjunction with shrink wrap??? Heating the shrink wrap over the
> thermal label will damage the printing???
>
> The question marks are because I'm not positive and am more just asking.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> James Ochs wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>>
>> This thing rocks for making labels to put on wire ends:
>>
>> http://www.lanshack.com/tls2200.asp
>>
>> its a bit pricey, but we used one of these during a data center
>> installation for the network cables and it prints so that the type is
>> parallel to the direction the wire runs on a white square, then the
>> label has clear plastic that wraps around it and sticks it together
>> and protects the printing.
>>
>> James
>> #40400
>>
>> linn walters wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>>>
>>> You can print out an identifier (name or number or function etc.)
>>> and use clear het shrink tubing to hold it on a wire. You can use
>>> labelmakers like the Brother and do the same thing, but when
>>> printing a wire list, you can control the font size easily.
>>> Linn
>>> Jim Combs wrote:
>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs"
>>>> <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>>>>
>>>> Ahh!
>>>> Marking and identifying wiring (of all kinds) at each end is a
>>>> topic all by itself!
>>>>
>>>> Any good ideas for marking and labeling wiring?
>>>> Jim C
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Anyone successfully fluted the recess to fit the air box and top plate? I'm resorting
to glassing the hole in.
Anh
#141
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Antennae |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
LessDragProd@aol.com wrote:
> Just a semantics issue. Aircraft antenna's need to be LOW gain
> antenna's so they can transmit and receive equally well in all directions.
>
> IMHO, HIGH gain is a bad thing for aircraft antenna's. (Even if it is a
> good thing for Ham operations.)
>
> Regards,
> Jim Ayers
Hi Jim,
I'm certain I do not understand why this would be
the case, but I'm willing to have it explained to me... :-)
I believe the gain in an antenna works both
ways, as in it will not only provide an
increase in the signal being received, but it will
also increase the signal being transmitted out.
In other words, a 5db gain antenna should work much
better than a 1db gain antenna, all other things
being equal. I'm referring to omni-directional
antennas (360 degrees), not uni-directional antennas
(focused more in one direction than others).
I don't see why an aircraft AM radio would be any different
than a Ham AM radio in this context.
Or am I misunderstanding how an antenna works?
-Dj
Ham operator N1JOV
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| Subject: | Re: engine prices |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Who's Van Bortel? What company? I'm not familiar.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
David McNeill wrote:
> Just got an email from Van Bortel that they are expecting a 7% increase
> on Lycoming and Continental engine prices. I guess a rising tide lifts
> all ships.
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| Subject: | Re: engine prices |
Tim,
Here's one I can answer :-) Van Bortel is located on my home field in Arlington, TX and they are a major seller of Lycoming & Continental engines. Back in the day when Cessna was the big dog, they were the world's top seller of Cessnas and had a HUGH sign on the front of their hangar that said so! Their engine division is http://www.factoryengines.com/ and they always advertise $300 dollars over factory invoice. From what I gather, they are a reputable company with an excellent service and parts department.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Olson
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: engine prices
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Who's Van Bortel? What company? I'm not familiar.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
David McNeill wrote:
> Just got an email from Van Bortel that they are expecting a 7% increase
> on Lycoming and Continental engine prices. I guess a rising tide lifts
> all ships.
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