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1. 03:55 AM - cracks ()
2. 04:32 AM - need info ()
3. 04:49 AM - Re: need info (James Hein)
4. 06:13 AM - Re: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection (Carl Froehlich)
5. 09:17 AM - Re: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection (Chris)
6. 11:53 AM - Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit (Jim Combs)
7. 12:00 PM - Re: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection (Carl Froehlich)
8. 01:34 PM - Re: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
9. 01:34 PM - Re: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
10. 01:52 PM - Re: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit (Jim Combs)
11. 02:13 PM - Re: Oregon Aero Seats (Jim Wade)
12. 02:42 PM - Re: Oregon Aero Seats (Mark Ritter)
13. 03:48 PM - Re: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection (Carl Froehlich)
14. 04:00 PM - Re: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection (Jerry Grimmonpre)
15. 04:13 PM - Re: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit (Jerry Grimmonpre)
16. 04:53 PM - Final Drill before assembly (Jesse Saint)
17. 05:11 PM - Re: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit (Tim Olson)
18. 05:32 PM - static ports (Chris Hukill)
19. 05:54 PM - RV Tool Kit (b.e.isham)
20. 05:56 PM - Re: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit (Jim Combs)
21. 06:01 PM - Re: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit (Jim Combs)
22. 06:02 PM - Re: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
23. 06:04 PM - test (b.e.isham)
24. 07:18 PM - Re: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit (David McNeill)
25. 07:21 PM - Re: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
26. 08:17 PM - Re: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection (Jerry Grimmonpre)
27. 08:49 PM - Re: static ports (ddddsp1@juno.com)
28. 09:56 PM - Engine Mount Clearance Update (Tim Olson)
29. 10:01 PM - Finished Painting (Tim Olson)
30. 10:17 PM - Re: Finished Painting (McGANN, Ron)
31. 10:24 PM - Re: Finished Painting (John Jessen)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
Hugo #40456,mine flanges have cracks too,allready send a email to Vans for replacments,thanks
to the group I was able to found before going to the specific task,I
guess save a couple of weeks in delay time.
Thanks ,Hugo
any news from bad rivets in the spars from Canada?
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--> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
By chance any body now the e mail or phone number of CHARLES BENNETT of Jupiter
FL
RV10 N410PB,he is only 30 minutes from me.
Hugo
do nort archive
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--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Hugo, Did you try the phone book? :)
He's listed:
Bennett, Charles P III
<http://www.whitepages.com/10001/search/Alpha_Limit?search_id=10300202835945905746&sort=&alpha_limit=&lower=3&more_info=1&old_search_type=Find_Person>
19001 SE Mack Dairy Rd
Jupiter, FL 33478-2119
(561) 748-2963
I looked up the N number in the FAA database and matched the addresses.
-Jim 40384, skinning the top wings today!
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>By chance any body now the e mail or phone number of CHARLES BENNETT of Jupiter
FL
>RV10 N410PB,he is only 30 minutes from me.
>Hugo
>do nort archive
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| Subject: | Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection |
Only needed for fuel injected engines, and then some of them you can skip
adding the feature.
Run a flex hose from the engine purge valve (same type of hose used for
fuel) to a steel firewall bulkhead fitting. For Bendix installs where you
are adding the purge valve, you may decide to mount the purge valve on the
firewall. If so, then you just run a flex hose from the spider to the purge
valve. As with all engine flex hoses, it is a good idea to have them in
fire sleeve. From the aft side of the bulk head fitting, run 1/4" aluminum
tubing to whichever fuel tank that is easiest. Mount a standard AN aluminum
bulkhead fitting on the inboard end of the fuel tank, preferably high on the
tank. No need to run another tube inside the tank like you do with the vent
line as when the purge valve is open the pressure in the purge line is
higher than that in the tank.
I have the Airflow Performance fuel injection system on my RV-8A. It comes
with a purge valve mounted on the spider. I use the purge line to shut down
the engine, but I have never needed to use the purge system to vent the
spider (i.e. vapor locked startup).
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (200 hrs)
Dogwood Airpark (VA-42)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 12:02 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
I don't know much about this subject so my questions might even be off
base.
How does a vapor return line need to be sized for a 540 with a carb or
mechanical fuel injection and where does the line enter into the tank. Is it
just via a bulkhead fitting like the vent bulkhead fitting? Does it enter on
the bottom or the top of the tank? I emailed ECI about their 540 system but
it is not that far along enought for them to comment on. Their 360
experimental engine will/does have the option but I couldn't find practical
details on the fuel system just schematics.
TIA
Chris Lucas
#40072
fuel tanks ( I want to add a fitting now before I seal the tanks if I end
up needing it down the road)
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| Subject: | Re: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection |
Thanks for the info.
So you think the 1/4 inch fitting would be the same for a 540 application?
I did have fuel/vapor return on my C model Bonanza with a PS5 pressure carb. It
went to the left tank. So we would burn the left for an hour and change to the
right tank. I think we would go back to left for landing because it magically
had more fuel in it again. Beech called it "reserve" in the old manual.
-Chris
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Froehlich
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
Only needed for fuel injected engines, and then some of them you can skip adding
the feature.
Run a flex hose from the engine purge valve (same type of hose used for fuel)
to a steel firewall bulkhead fitting. For Bendix installs where you are adding
the purge valve, you may decide to mount the purge valve on the firewall.
If so, then you just run a flex hose from the spider to the purge valve. As with
all engine flex hoses, it is a good idea to have them in fire sleeve. From
the aft side of the bulk head fitting, run 1/4" aluminum tubing to whichever
fuel tank that is easiest. Mount a standard AN aluminum bulkhead fitting on
the inboard end of the fuel tank, preferably high on the tank. No need to run
another tube inside the tank like you do with the vent line as when the purge
valve is open the pressure in the purge line is higher than that in the tank.
I have the Airflow Performance fuel injection system on my RV-8A. It comes with
a purge valve mounted on the spider. I use the purge line to shut down the
engine, but I have never needed to use the purge system to vent the spider (i.e.
vapor locked startup).
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (200 hrs)
Dogwood Airpark (VA-42)
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| Subject: | Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit |
I have fitted the instrument panel to the fuselage skin and the handgrip is slightly
behind (forward) of the instrument panel at the forward portion of the grip.
I have a visible gap of about .063 behind the panel at the rear of the hand
grip. With the 0.63 thickness of the instrument panel, I end up with about
1/8" of hangover. I have checked behind the panel and the fit is tight. Both
sides are like this.
Does anyone else have a fit like this?
It's purely cosmetic, but would like to know if this is "normal".
Placing the handgrip about 1/4" more aft in the skin would fix the problem. But
it attached to the supports behind the instrument panel.
I don't think there is anything I can do to remidy this. (Fill the gap with some
JB weld or proseal and smooth it out is the current plan.)
Picture is attached.
Thanks, Jim Combs
#40192 - N312F
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| Subject: | Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection |
1/4" line is more than enough. Remember the only time you use the purge
valve is with the engine off. On the Airflow Performance fuel injection
system, opening the purge line isolates fuel from the spider - thus it is a
useful feature for engine shutdown as it removes fuel from the top of the
engine so you don't have residual fuel dripping into the engine. If you add
a purge valve to the Bendix system, this could be run off the spider thus
you have flow to the spider as well as through purge line.
This is a totally different arrangement from what you had with your Bonanza
pressure carb.
If you are planning on the Bendix system, you may want to add the purge line
fitting in your fuel tank, but cap it off. Fly the plane without a purge
valve to see if you need one or not. My guess is you will not, but if you
do it would then be an easy back fit.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 12:17 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
Thanks for the info.
So you think the 1/4 inch fitting would be the same for a 540 application?
I did have fuel/vapor return on my C model Bonanza with a PS5 pressure
carb. It went to the left tank. So we would burn the left for an hour and
change to the right tank. I think we would go back to left for landing
because it magically had more fuel in it again. Beech called it "reserve" in
the old manual.
-Chris
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Froehlich
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
Only needed for fuel injected engines, and then some of them you can
skip adding the feature.
Run a flex hose from the engine purge valve (same type of hose used for
fuel) to a steel firewall bulkhead fitting. For Bendix installs where you
are adding the purge valve, you may decide to mount the purge valve on the
firewall. If so, then you just run a flex hose from the spider to the purge
valve. As with all engine flex hoses, it is a good idea to have them in
fire sleeve. From the aft side of the bulk head fitting, run 1/4" aluminum
tubing to whichever fuel tank that is easiest. Mount a standard AN aluminum
bulkhead fitting on the inboard end of the fuel tank, preferably high on the
tank. No need to run another tube inside the tank like you do with the vent
line as when the purge valve is open the pressure in the purge line is
higher than that in the tank.
I have the Airflow Performance fuel injection system on my RV-8A. It
comes with a purge valve mounted on the spider. I use the purge line to
shut down the engine, but I have never needed to use the purge system to
vent the spider (i.e. vapor locked startup).
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (200 hrs)
Dogwood Airpark (VA-42)
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| Subject: | Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection |
How much fuel is actually released when you do have to purge for vapor lock? If
it's not much, and you only do it for vapor lock, any reason you couldn't just
eject it onto the ground? Environmental concerns aside, it seem a lot easier
than trying to get another bulkhead into a finished tank.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Waiting on Fuse
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
1/4" line is more than enough. Remember the only time you use the purge valve
is with the engine off. On the Airflow Performance fuel injection system, opening
the purge line isolates fuel from the spider - thus it is a useful feature
for engine shutdown as it removes fuel from the top of the engine so you don't
have residual fuel dripping into the engine. If you add a purge valve to the
Bendix system, this could be run off the spider thus you have flow to the spider
as well as through purge line.
This is a totally different arrangement from what you had with your Bonanza pressure
carb.
If you are planning on the Bendix system, you may want to add the purge line fitting
in your fuel tank, but cap it off. Fly the plane without a purge valve
to see if you need one or not. My guess is you will not, but if you do it would
then be an easy back fit.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 12:17 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
=09
=09
Thanks for the info.
So you think the 1/4 inch fitting would be the same for a 540 application?
I did have fuel/vapor return on my C model Bonanza with a PS5 pressure
carb. It went to the left tank. So we would burn the left for an hour and change
to the right tank. I think we would go back to left for landing because it
magically had more fuel in it again. Beech called it "reserve" in the old manual.
-Chris
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Froehlich <mailto:carl.froehlich@cox.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
Only needed for fuel injected engines, and then some of them you
can skip adding the feature.
Run a flex hose from the engine purge valve (same type of hose
used for fuel) to a steel firewall bulkhead fitting. For Bendix installs where
you are adding the purge valve, you may decide to mount the purge valve on the
firewall. If so, then you just run a flex hose from the spider to the purge
valve. As with all engine flex hoses, it is a good idea to have them in fire
sleeve. From the aft side of the bulk head fitting, run 1/4" aluminum tubing
to whichever fuel tank that is easiest. Mount a standard AN aluminum bulkhead
fitting on the inboard end of the fuel tank, preferably high on the tank.
No need to run another tube inside the tank like you do with the vent line as
when the purge valve is open the pressure in the purge line is higher than that
in the tank.
I have the Airflow Performance fuel injection system on my RV-8A.
It comes with a purge valve mounted on the spider. I use the purge line to
shut down the engine, but I have never needed to use the purge system to vent
the spider (i.e. vapor locked startup).
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (200 hrs)
Dogwood Airpark (VA-42)
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| Subject: | Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit |
I think proseal and JB Weld may be a bit overkill. How about some good old fashioned
paintable latex caulk.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Waiting on fuselage
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: RV10-List: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit
I have fitted the instrument panel to the fuselage skin and the handgrip is slightly
behind (forward) of the instrument panel at the forward portion of the grip.
I have a visible gap of about .063 behind the panel at the rear of the hand
grip. With the 0.63 thickness of the instrument panel, I end up with about
1/8" of hangover. I have checked behind the panel and the fit is tight. Both
sides are like this.
Does anyone else have a fit like this?
It's purely cosmetic, but would like to know if this is "normal".
Placing the handgrip about 1/4" more aft in the skin would fix the problem. But
it attached to the supports behind the instrument panel.
I don't think there is anything I can do to remedy this. (Fill the gap with some
JB weld or proseal and smooth it out is the current plan.)
Picture is attached.
Thanks, Jim Combs
#40192 - N312F
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| Subject: | Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
I don't think caulk is sandable. I was hoping to end up with a nice rounded contour.
Maybe even some lightweight body filler would do the trick.
I don't want this mismatch to be visible to me or another person sitting in the
front seats.
Jim C
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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I think proseal and JB Weld may be a bit overkill. How about some good old fashioned
paintable latex caulk.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Waiting on fuselage
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: RV10-List: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit
I have fitted the instrument panel to the fuselage skin and the handgrip is slightly
behind (forward) of the instrument panel at the forward portion of the grip.
I have a visible gap of about .063 behind the panel at the rear of the hand
grip. With the 0.63 thickness of the instrument panel, I end up with about
1/8" of hangover. I have checked behind the panel and the fit is tight. Both
sides are like this.
Does anyone else have a fit like this?
It's purely cosmetic, but would like to know if this is "normal".
Placing the handgrip about 1/4" more aft in the skin would fix the problem. But
it attached to the supports behind the instrument panel.
I don't think there is anything I can do to remedy this. (Fill the gap with some
JB weld or proseal and smooth it out is the current plan.)
Picture is attached.
Thanks, Jim Combs
#40192 - N312F
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| Subject: | Re: Oregon Aero Seats |
Rob, just got mine too! They did an excellent job. I have had 2 interiors
done in leather in the last 2 years, and they were not anywhere near as well
done as Oregon Aero. They offer many different options on color and seat
stitch and panel pattern. I did mine in light and dark grey. I too put mine
up, but will try in a few days to take a pick and post it.
Jim
383
-------Original Message-------
From: rob kermanj
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oregon Aero Seats
--> RV10-List message posted by: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
The amount was for the leather upholstery of all seats. It included
around $175-185 for Van's rear seat foams. The leather is dyed
through so that it will not show a different color once it is worn
through the skin. The seats are still in plastic cover and not good
for photograph. I am won't be removing the plastic for a while.
Will post photos as soon as I do.
Rob.
Organ Aero charged $3120 for their work including shipping
On Oct 29, 2005, at 9:00 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> Was that $3,250 all for seats? Are they lined with gold?
> Actually, all
> kidding aside, I would love to see some pictures. Are they
> leather? How
> much was Van's foam for the rear seats?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rob kermanj
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 6:08 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Oregon Aero Seats
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
>
> I received my seats the other day from Oregon Aero and I am very
> pleased with the quality. Perhaps I could have saved a little by
> shopping around but they saved me time and headaches.
>
> By sending Van's rear seat cushions to Oregon Aero, I saved a
> little. My total cost including shipping was about $3250.
>
> Rob
>
>
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| Subject: | Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection |
Not recommended. A return line to the tank is really simple during
construction, and fuel being dumped around an engine you are trying to start
is probably not a good idea. Even for a finished tank, reaching in the end
plate to mount a bulkhead fitting with some proseal is easy.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 4:34 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
How much fuel is actually released when you do have to purge for vapor
lock? If it's not much, and you only do it for vapor lock, any reason you
couldn't just eject it onto the ground? Environmental concerns aside, it
seem a lot easier than trying to get another bulkhead into a finished tank.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Waiting on Fuse
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 2:00 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
1/4" line is more than enough. Remember the only time you use the purge
valve is with the engine off. On the Airflow Performance fuel injection
system, opening the purge line isolates fuel from the spider - thus it is a
useful feature for engine shutdown as it removes fuel from the top of the
engine so you don't have residual fuel dripping into the engine. If you add
a purge valve to the Bendix system, this could be run off the spider thus
you have flow to the spider as well as through purge line.
This is a totally different arrangement from what you had with your
Bonanza pressure carb.
If you are planning on the Bendix system, you may want to add the purge
line fitting in your fuel tank, but cap it off. Fly the plane without a
purge valve to see if you need one or not. My guess is you will not, but if
you do it would then be an easy back fit.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 12:17 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
Thanks for the info.
So you think the 1/4 inch fitting would be the same for a 540
application?
I did have fuel/vapor return on my C model Bonanza with a PS5 pressure
carb. It went to the left tank. So we would burn the left for an hour and
change to the right tank. I think we would go back to left for landing
because it magically had more fuel in it again. Beech called it "reserve" in
the old manual.
-Chris
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Froehlich
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
Only needed for fuel injected engines, and then some of them you can
skip adding the feature.
Run a flex hose from the engine purge valve (same type of hose used
for fuel) to a steel firewall bulkhead fitting. For Bendix installs where
you are adding the purge valve, you may decide to mount the purge valve on
the firewall. If so, then you just run a flex hose from the spider to the
purge valve. As with all engine flex hoses, it is a good idea to have them
in fire sleeve. From the aft side of the bulk head fitting, run 1/4"
aluminum tubing to whichever fuel tank that is easiest. Mount a standard AN
aluminum bulkhead fitting on the inboard end of the fuel tank, preferably
high on the tank. No need to run another tube inside the tank like you do
with the vent line as when the purge valve is open the pressure in the purge
line is higher than that in the tank.
I have the Airflow Performance fuel injection system on my RV-8A. It
comes with a purge valve mounted on the spider. I use the purge line to
shut down the engine, but I have never needed to use the purge system to
vent the spider (i.e. vapor locked startup).
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (200 hrs)
Dogwood Airpark (VA-42)
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| Subject: | Re: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection |
Michael ...
Another option, an easier one, tie the purge line into the left or right tank
feeder line.
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
Environmental concerns aside, it seem a lot easier than trying to get another
bulkhead into a finished tank.
Michael Sausen
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| Subject: | Re: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
How about moving the doubler/stiffener oval, toward the pilot since it's not
riveted in yet, then, line the handhold with a nice soft split rubber hose
... one that will cover the stiffener as well.
My 2 cents ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>
> I don't think caulk is sandable. I was hoping to end up with a nice
> rounded contour. Maybe even some lightweight body filler would do the
> trick.
>
> I don't want this mismatch to be visible to me or another person sitting
> in the front seats.
>
> Jim C
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> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Final Drill before assembly |
A while ago a couple of you mentioned that you were final drilling,
deburing, dimpling and painting before assembling first, so the first time
of assembly you were riveting. How is this going? Any updates on potential
problems?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Do you think maybe a filler shim or something might work? I can't tell
from the photo exactly what you mean is wrong, but I see a gap on the
handle area. Is that it? If so, maybe silicone seal?
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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Jim Combs wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>
> I don't think caulk is sandable. I was hoping to end up with a nice rounded
contour. Maybe even some lightweight body filler would do the trick.
>
> I don't want this mismatch to be visible to me or another person sitting in the
front seats.
>
> Jim C
>
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> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:34:19 -0600
>
> I think proseal and JB Weld may be a bit overkill. How about some good old
fashioned paintable latex caulk.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Waiting on fuselage
> Do not archive
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:53 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit
>
> I have fitted the instrument panel to the fuselage skin and the handgrip is slightly
behind (forward) of the instrument panel at the forward portion of the
grip. I have a visible gap of about .063 behind the panel at the rear of the
hand grip. With the 0.63 thickness of the instrument panel, I end up with about
1/8" of hangover. I have checked behind the panel and the fit is tight.
Both sides are like this.
>
> Does anyone else have a fit like this?
>
> It's purely cosmetic, but would like to know if this is "normal".
>
> Placing the handgrip about 1/4" more aft in the skin would fix the problem.
But it attached to the supports behind the instrument panel.
>
> I don't think there is anything I can do to remedy this. (Fill the gap with some
JB weld or proseal and smooth it out is the current plan.)
>
> Picture is attached.
>
> Thanks, Jim Combs
> #40192 - N312F
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I'm coming to the point where I need to provision for static ports in the tailcone,
and I am wondering if anyone whom is flying a 10 has SafeAir or Cleveland
flush static ports installed, and has determined the accuracy of them, as compared
to the pop-rivet? Or is there another after market port that allows for
the bulge past the skin, as in a pop-rivet, that I'm unaware of?
Thanks
Chris Hukill
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "b.e.isham" <b.e.isham@cox.net>
For those who may have missed the September special, PlaneTools.com now has
the DRDT-2 Dimpler as a FREE upgrade on the RV tool kit. This is a great
tool that reflects the quality of the RV tool kit. In addition to the sheet
metal tool kit, mechanic tools are being added. The website address is
HYPERLINK "http://www.planetools.com"http://www.planetools.com
<http://www.planetools.com> Shane Isham
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| Subject: | Re: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
I think what I am going to do since I can use the doubler as a template, is to
make a new set of doublers with the opening slighty smaller to cover the instrument
panel. The holes and the outer dimensions can remain the same. I have
material and it won't take long.
I think I am spoiled with all the parts already for the most part done. To think
of those who came before us and had to make a LOT more of the parts, along
with jigs and such! I have a bunch of respect for all the people that have built
aircraft from plain sheet metal and plans!
I will call Vans tomorrow to see if they are aware of this. Both the skin and
the doubler would need to change to correct the problem (Assuming that I have
not done anything wrong, which is a possibility!).
I was just wondering if anyone else had seen this?
Thanks, Jim C
#40192 - N312F
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| Subject: | Re: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
The more I think about it, the less I like the idea of caulk or filler epoxy, etc.
I would like to keep the Instrument panel removable, so the solution must
not preclude that. I am going to make new doublers to hide the instrument panel.
Jim C
Jim Combs wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>
> I don't think caulk is sandable. I was hoping to end up with a nice rounded
contour. Maybe even some lightweight body filler would do the trick.
>
> I don't want this mismatch to be visible to me or another person sitting in the
front seats.
>
> Jim C
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:34:19 -0600
>
> I think proseal and JB Weld may be a bit overkill. How about some good old
fashioned paintable latex caulk.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Waiting on fuselage
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:53 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit
>
> I have fitted the instrument panel to the fuselage skin and the handgrip is slightly
behind (forward) of the instrument panel at the forward portion of the
grip. I have a visible gap of about .063 behind the panel at the rear of the
hand grip. With the 0.63 thickness of the instrument panel, I end up with about
1/8" of hangover. I have checked behind the panel and the fit is tight.
Both sides are like this.
>
> Does anyone else have a fit like this?
>
> It's purely cosmetic, but would like to know if this is "normal".
>
> Placing the handgrip about 1/4" more aft in the skin would fix the problem.
But it attached to the supports behind the instrument panel.
>
> I don't think there is anything I can do to remedy this. (Fill the gap with some
JB weld or proseal and smooth it out is the current plan.)
>
> Picture is attached.
>
> Thanks, Jim Combs
> #40192 - N312F
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| Subject: | Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit |
True, but neither is proseal and you didn't say you wanted to sand it. Body filler
is likely to crack. You could also use epoxy and a strip of fiberglass.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
I don't think caulk is sandable. I was hoping to end up with a nice rounded contour.
Maybe even some lightweight body filler would do the trick.
I don't want this mismatch to be visible to me or another person sitting in the
front seats.
Jim C
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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I think proseal and JB Weld may be a bit overkill. How about some good old fashioned
paintable latex caulk.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Waiting on fuselage
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: RV10-List: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit
I have fitted the instrument panel to the fuselage skin and the handgrip is slightly
behind (forward) of the instrument panel at the forward portion of the grip.
I have a visible gap of about .063 behind the panel at the rear of the hand
grip. With the 0.63 thickness of the instrument panel, I end up with about
1/8" of hangover. I have checked behind the panel and the fit is tight. Both
sides are like this.
Does anyone else have a fit like this?
It's purely cosmetic, but would like to know if this is "normal".
Placing the handgrip about 1/4" more aft in the skin would fix the problem. But
it attached to the supports behind the instrument panel.
I don't think there is anything I can do to remedy this. (Fill the gap with some
JB weld or proseal and smooth it out is the current plan.)
Picture is attached.
Thanks, Jim Combs
#40192 - N312F
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "b.e.isham" <b.e.isham@cox.net>
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| Subject: | Re: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
I don't think you want silicone where you expect to paint.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Do you think maybe a filler shim or something might work? I can't tell
> from the photo exactly what you mean is wrong, but I see a gap on the
> handle area. Is that it? If so, maybe silicone seal?
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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> Jim Combs wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>>
>> I don't think caulk is sandable. I was hoping to end up with a nice
>> rounded contour. Maybe even some lightweight body filler would do the
>> trick. I don't want this mismatch to be visible to me or another person
>> sitting in the front seats.
>>
>> Jim C
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>> Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:34:19 -0600
>>
>> I think proseal and JB Weld may be a bit overkill. How about some good
>> old fashioned paintable latex caulk.
>>
>> Michael Sausen
>> -10 #352 Waiting on fuselage
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:53 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Handgrip to Instrument Panel Fit
>>
>> I have fitted the instrument panel to the fuselage skin and the handgrip
>> is slightly behind (forward) of the instrument panel at the forward
>> portion of the grip. I have a visible gap of about .063 behind the panel
>> at the rear of the hand grip. With the 0.63 thickness of the instrument
>> panel, I end up with about 1/8" of hangover. I have checked behind the
>> panel and the fit is tight. Both sides are like this. Does anyone else
>> have a fit like this? It's purely cosmetic, but would like to know if
>> this is "normal".
>>
>> Placing the handgrip about 1/4" more aft in the skin would fix the
>> problem. But it attached to the supports behind the instrument panel.
>>
>> I don't think there is anything I can do to remedy this. (Fill the gap
>> with some JB weld or proseal and smooth it out is the current plan.)
>> Picture is attached.
>>
>> Thanks, Jim Combs
>> #40192 - N312F
>>
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| Subject: | Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection |
if you do this then you do not have a purge line rather a parallel feed
line, both lines will carry pressure, as the return line will have less
pressure in it, so it will be overcome by the feed
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Grimmonpre
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
Michael ...
Another option, an easier one, tie the purge line into the left or
right tank feeder line.
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel
injection
Environmental concerns aside, it seem a lot easier than trying
to get another bulkhead into a finished tank.
Michael Sausen
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| Subject: | Re: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection |
When the engine is shutting down or purged, it has to be fed from the tank opposite
the one the purge line is connected to. The purge fuel, on shut down, will
go into the tank but opposite the normal flow direction. The flow,in the
purge line, would be whatever is being put out by the engine driven pump, with
engine running, or whatever the boost pump is putting out for purging, when the
engine is not running. Since the purge fuel is going into the unused tank
there is really no pressure ... just flow. Hope this helps.
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:21 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
if you do this then you do not have a purge line rather a parallel feed line,
both lines will carry pressure, as the return line will have less pressure in
it, so it will be overcome by the feed
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| Subject: | Re: static ports |
Putting the ptiot-static system from Safeair1 in this week. Tony was great to
work with and knows what a RV10 needs. Safeair static port require a smaller
hole cut in the skin versus the one Cleavland sells. Safeair uses a different
tubing than normal...something to consider.
Putting the ptiot-static system from Safeair1 in this week. Tony was great to work
with and knows what a RV10 needs. Safeair static port require a smaller hole
cut in the skin versus the one Cleavland sells. Safeair uses a different tubing
than normal...something to consider.
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| Subject: | Engine Mount Clearance Update |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I got my engine mount back later last week and installed it. Van's did
pretty good job of fixing it up. The service on this repair/mod. was
fantastic, thanks to Bruce and Scott at Van's. The mount now has better
clearance, although I think if they made the new curved section about
1 to 1.5" wider, it would be even better to clear the corners of the
sump. It will absolutely be better than before though, as now there is
1/4" to 3/8" clearance, which is over double what I had before.
I have some photos at:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/engine/20051022/index.html
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| Subject: | Finished Painting |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I just finished painting today and know there are a few of you out there
who would be interested to see how it came out. I have some photos at:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/20051030/index.html
I ended up using PPG Deltron 2000 Basecoat and Concept clearcoat for
the job. It's GM 2006 colors, Daytona Blue, and Satellite Silver,
with the base color being standard DMC900 Strong White. I'm very
happy with the results...especially with how the N-Number came out.
The clearcoat really gave a nice gloss to the paint.
Now, after a tiny bit of fixup work on some areas that got bumped
after drying, I'll be on to all of the engine hookups, and the
wiring of the airframe and panel. Then it's time to fly.
If anyone has a link to a good guide to getting your airworthiness
certificate, I'd love to start reading. I don't think I'm all that
far from needing to start getting paperwork together. I don't know
how early I can start the registration process, but now that my
N-Number is painted on, I feel much closer. ;)
Tim
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| Subject: | Finished Painting |
Well done Tim - she looks sensational!! Wish I had gone the QB fuse route.
cheers,
Ron
#187 fuse (slooow build)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Finished Painting
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I just finished painting today and know there are a few of you out there
who would be interested to see how it came out. I have some photos at:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/20051030/index.html
I ended up using PPG Deltron 2000 Basecoat and Concept clearcoat for
the job. It's GM 2006 colors, Daytona Blue, and Satellite Silver,
with the base color being standard DMC900 Strong White. I'm very
happy with the results...especially with how the N-Number came out.
The clearcoat really gave a nice gloss to the paint.
Now, after a tiny bit of fixup work on some areas that got bumped
after drying, I'll be on to all of the engine hookups, and the
wiring of the airframe and panel. Then it's time to fly.
If anyone has a link to a good guide to getting your airworthiness
certificate, I'd love to start reading. I don't think I'm all that
far from needing to start getting paperwork together. I don't know
how early I can start the registration process, but now that my
N-Number is painted on, I feel much closer. ;)
Tim
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| Subject: | Finished Painting |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
All one can say is that is real pretty! Very professional looking. Nice
job.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Finished Painting
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I just finished painting today and know there are a few of you out there who
would be interested to see how it came out. I have some photos at:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/20051030/index.html
I ended up using PPG Deltron 2000 Basecoat and Concept clearcoat for the
job. It's GM 2006 colors, Daytona Blue, and Satellite Silver, with the
base color being standard DMC900 Strong White. I'm very happy with the
results...especially with how the N-Number came out.
The clearcoat really gave a nice gloss to the paint.
Now, after a tiny bit of fixup work on some areas that got bumped after
drying, I'll be on to all of the engine hookups, and the wiring of the
airframe and panel. Then it's time to fly.
If anyone has a link to a good guide to getting your airworthiness
certificate, I'd love to start reading. I don't think I'm all that far from
needing to start getting paperwork together. I don't know how early I can
start the registration process, but now that my N-Number is painted on, I
feel much closer. ;)
Tim
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