Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:29 AM - Re: Frappr Map for the list (Werner Schneider)
2. 12:39 AM - Re: Lycoming O 540 starter (Paul Walter)
3. 02:20 AM - Re: Frappr Map for the list (Henkjan van der Zouw)
4. 03:13 AM - Frapper map (rob kermanj)
5. 03:54 AM - Re: Frapper map (Werner Schneider)
6. 04:14 AM - Re: Frappr Map for the list (linn walters)
7. 04:49 AM - Re: Frapper map (rob kermanj)
8. 04:54 AM - Re: For the new starters (Phillips, Jack)
9. 05:08 AM - Re: Frapper map (Werner Schneider)
10. 06:16 AM - Re: Cargo tiedown (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
11. 06:16 AM - Re: Placards/Nameplate (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto)
12. 06:59 AM - Columbia, SC (Jesse Saint)
13. 07:02 AM - Re: Placards/Nameplate (Tim Olson)
14. 07:20 AM - Re: Placards/Nameplate (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
15. 07:22 AM - Possible big mistake (Rob Hunter)
16. 07:24 AM - Re: Placards/Nameplate (Kelly McMullen)
17. 07:38 AM - Re: Placards/Nameplate (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
18. 07:56 AM - Re: Possible big mistake (John Jessen)
19. 07:58 AM - Re: Columbia, SC (James Clark)
20. 08:01 AM - Re: For the new starters (John Jessen)
21. 08:21 AM - Re: For the new starters (Jesse Saint)
22. 08:25 AM - Louisville, KY (Jesse Saint)
23. 08:48 AM - Re: Frappr Map for the list (John Jessen)
24. 09:58 AM - Re: Placards/Nameplate (Jim Wade)
25. 10:01 AM - Electric Aileron Trim #8 Screw Dimples (Larry Rosen)
26. 10:24 AM - TruTrak Roll Servo Update (Larry Rosen)
27. 10:59 AM - Re: Placards/Nameplate (Tim Olson)
28. 11:03 AM - Lasar Ignition Horror Story (Ronald Grover)
29. 11:06 AM - Re: TruTrak Roll Servo Update (Sean Stephens)
30. 11:08 AM - Re: Frappr Map for the list (Mani Ravee)
31. 11:10 AM - Re: TruTrak Roll Servo Update (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
32. 11:15 AM - Re: Electric Aileron Trim #8 Screw Dimples (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
33. 11:17 AM - Re: Frappr Map for the list (Henkjan van der Zouw)
34. 12:08 PM - Re: Louisville, KY (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
35. 12:16 PM - Re: Lasar Ignition Horror Story (Dave Saylor)
36. 12:34 PM - Re: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection (Randy DeBauw)
37. 12:36 PM - Re: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection (Randy DeBauw)
38. 12:43 PM - Re: TruTrak Roll Servo Update (Larry Rosen)
39. 12:52 PM - Re: TruTrak Roll Servo Update (Sean Stephens)
40. 12:53 PM - Re: Louisville, KY (Jesse Saint)
41. 01:05 PM - Re: Louisville, KY (Brian Sponcil)
42. 01:40 PM - Re: Louisville, KY (Jesse Saint)
43. 01:57 PM - Re: Louisville, KY (John Jessen)
44. 01:57 PM - Strange request/offer (Jesse Saint)
45. 01:59 PM - Re: TruTrak Roll Servo Update (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
46. 02:22 PM - Re: Rob Kermanj - Port St. Lucie, FL (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
47. 02:28 PM - Re: Louisville, KY (Randy DeBauw)
48. 04:12 PM - Re: Frappr Map for the list (Roger Pierce)
49. 06:29 PM - Re: Frappr Map for the list (Ted on RV list)
50. 09:20 PM - Re: Frappr Map for the list (AI Nut)
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| Subject: | Re: Frappr Map for the list |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
Henkjan, no problem drag the map to the left and you see Europe!!!
When you say add me, chosse outside of the US (under location) and you
can enter your location (or next bigger town)!
Have fun (as it is fun!!)
Werner
Henkjan van der Zouw wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Henkjan van der Zouw" <henkjan@zme.nl>
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>The world is bigger than just the USA!, I wish to be on the map too and
>be part of the RV10 family.... but unfortunately I'm in Europe, is there
>a way to expand the map in anyway?
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>Henkjan van der Zouw / Netherlands / 40355
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>http://www.kitlog.com/mykitlog/index.php?p=builders&builderid=136
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>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>Van: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Tim Olson
>Verzonden: dinsdag 1 november 2005 22:31
>Aan: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Onderwerp: Re: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
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>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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>The real link is: http://www.frappr.com/rv10snorthamerica
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>I have it linked from my site too: http://www.myrv10.com
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>Tim
>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
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>John Cram wrote:
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>>Would someone post a link to the map again. Thanks
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Jeff Carpenter <mailto:jeff@westcottpress.com>
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:39 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
>> <jeff@westcottpress.com <mailto:jeff@westcottpress.com>>
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>> Move
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>> do not archive
>> On Nov 1, 2005, at 11:57 AM, James Ochs wrote:
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>> > --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org
>> <mailto:jochs@froody.org>>
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>> > weird. It won't take my zip code (94085).... any ideas?
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>> > John Jessen wrote:
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>> >> That's an imposter. His work space is clean in that photo,
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>> >> fact that he can't even find his worktables, let alone his HS!
>> >> Bruce B !!!!! You cleaned up for the photo op, you dog.
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>> >> John Jessen
>> >> 328 HS and Elevators
>> >> do not archive
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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>Mani
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>> Ravee
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:36 AM
>> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> >> Subject: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
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>> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee"
>> >> <maniravee@sbcglobal.net <mailto:maniravee@sbcglobal.net>>
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming O 540 starter |
Can any of the group tell me if it is possible or if they have heard of any one
that is considering a turbo Lycoming engine installation for RV 10 ?
Paul Walter
----- Original Message -----
From: ddddsp1@juno.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Lycoming O 540 starter
I ran across this the other night on Ebay. Anyone seen these before? Appears
to be equal to the Sky-tec HT model for $255. Anyone used these versus the
other starters?
Textron - Lycoming Starter
Fits all engines up to .0540
1.4 kW gear reduction AIR-BOAT starter.
1 Year Warranty!
2 times stronger than the original!!
10 Lbs. Less!
Starter weighs 9 lbs!
All bearings no bushings!
VERY STRONG AND SUPER LIGHT
This is a direct replacement for the original unit.
Will fit up to 540 Textron Lycoming Engines!
May be used for Experimental Aircraft. (non-certified)
This is for the 149 tooth flywheel.
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| Subject: | Frappr Map for the list |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Henkjan van der Zouw" <henkjan@zme.nl>
Hmm, it's that easy huh, I didn't look into it (not further than my nose
is long as they say over here, sorry
Do not archive
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Werner Schneider
Verzonden: woensdag 2 november 2005 9:28
Aan: rv10-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
--> RV10-List message posted by: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
Henkjan, no problem drag the map to the left and you see Europe!!!
When you say add me, chosse outside of the US (under location) and you
can enter your location (or next bigger town)!
Have fun (as it is fun!!)
Werner
Henkjan van der Zouw wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Henkjan van der Zouw"
<henkjan@zme.nl>
>
>The world is bigger than just the USA!, I wish to be on the map too and
>be part of the RV10 family.... but unfortunately I'm in Europe, is
there
>a way to expand the map in anyway?
>
>Henkjan van der Zouw / Netherlands / 40355
>
>http://www.kitlog.com/mykitlog/index.php?p=builders&builderid=136
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>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>Van: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Tim Olson
>Verzonden: dinsdag 1 november 2005 22:31
>Aan: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Onderwerp: Re: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
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>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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>The real link is: http://www.frappr.com/rv10snorthamerica
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>I have it linked from my site too: http://www.myrv10.com
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>Tim
>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
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>John Cram wrote:
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>>Would someone post a link to the map again. Thanks
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Jeff Carpenter <mailto:jeff@westcottpress.com>
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:39 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
>> <jeff@westcottpress.com <mailto:jeff@westcottpress.com>>
>>
>> Move
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>> do not archive
>> On Nov 1, 2005, at 11:57 AM, James Ochs wrote:
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>> > --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org
>> <mailto:jochs@froody.org>>
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>> > weird. It won't take my zip code (94085).... any ideas?
>> >
>> > do not archive
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>> > John Jessen wrote:
>> >
>> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen"
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><jjessen@rcn.com
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>> >>
>> >> Mani,
>> >>
>> >> I may have entered myself 4 times. Hopefully you can keep the
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>> >> last one and
>> >> discard the others. Otherwise, can you delete Bruce
>> >> Breckenridge's photo?
>> >> That's an imposter. His work space is clean in that photo,
>>
>>
>and I
>
>
>> >> know for a
>> >> fact that he can't even find his worktables, let alone his HS!
>> >> Bruce B !!!!! You cleaned up for the photo op, you dog.
>> >>
>> >> John Jessen
>> >> 328 HS and Elevators
>> >> do not archive
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>
>>
>Mani
>
>
>> Ravee
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:36 AM
>> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> >> Subject: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
>> >>
>> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee"
>> >> <maniravee@sbcglobal.net <mailto:maniravee@sbcglobal.net>>
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>> >> Guys, Here is a Frappr map for north america. Add yourselves
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>> >> builders and finished ones.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
Hello all. How do you edit your info on the map? Thanks. Rob.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
Rob,
what exactly do you mean with edit? You can add yourself with the "add
yourself" button on the right, further you can add comments and pictures
(as you might get a cookie on your PC), you can be deleted by the
administrator only, have also a look at the FAQ and tips part many
answers are there http://www.frappr.com/?a=doc§ion=faq
Werner
do not archive
rob kermanj wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
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> Hello all. How do you edit your info on the map? Thanks. Rob.
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| Subject: | Re: Frappr Map for the list |
--> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Henkjan van der Zouw wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Henkjan van der Zouw" <henkjan@zme.nl>
>
>The world is bigger than just the USA!, I wish to be on the map too and
>be part of the RV10 family.... but unfortunately I'm in Europe, is there
>a way to expand the map in anyway?
>
>Henkjan van der Zouw / Netherlands / 40355
>
Sure! Just zoom out and use the other controls over on the left.
Linn
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--> RV10-List message posted by: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
Thanks for the prompt response. I added myself twice. Need to
remove one.
Rob.
Do not archive
On Nov 2, 2005, at 6:54 AM, Werner Schneider wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
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> Rob,
>
> what exactly do you mean with edit? You can add yourself with the
> "add yourself" button on the right, further you can add comments
> and pictures (as you might get a cookie on your PC), you can be
> deleted by the administrator only, have also a look at the FAQ and
> tips part many answers are there http://www.frappr.com/?
> a=doc§ion=faq
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> Werner
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> do not archive
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> rob kermanj wrote:
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
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| Subject: | For the new starters |
Good post, Mark.
I for one am not yet an RV-10 builder, but plan to buy the Empennage kit and start
on it next winter (I promised my fianc=E9e at OSH this summer that I wouldn't
build another airplane for at least a year). I'm spending my time "lurking"
on this list and compiling my own archive of useful tips. Yours will go on
that list. I did some riveting when building the cowling for my scratch-built
Pietenpol Air Camper, but not as good a job as I would have liked. Your tips
would have helped.
This list appears to be as helpful as the Matronics Pietenpol list. Different
mindset (here people are talking about which Autopilot or EFIS to install, on
the Pietenpol list the debates are over douglas fir versus sitka spruce, or Aerothane
versus latex house paint). On both lists you wade through a lot of junk
but get the occasional gem, and you soon learn that there are a few people
on the list that it really pays to listen to - people who really know what they
are talking about. Thanks for posting a "gem".
Do Not Archive
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
Pietenpol Air Camper NX899JP
Van's RV-4 N18LR
Listed on the Frappr "Pietenpol" list
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Drury
Subject: RV10-List: For the new starters
A lot of people are a long way into the project and there's a lot of talk about
painting and engines etc which is years away for those just starting,so, for
those who have just started I'll share a few things I've learned so far (I know
you can look up the archive but who cares).
Learning to rivet: it scares the crap out of all of us to begin with but here are
a few tricks I've learned. I have the advantage of working for a GA airline
and have access to LAME's and engineers etc and most of these tricks they gave
me.
1. When riveting flush rivets (AN426), run a line of masking tape either side of
the line of holes (on the gun side) and you'll find that the gun doesn't wander
around anywhere near as much.
2. When riveting AN470 rivets put a piece of masking tape over the machined head
of the rivet. You will very rarely miss another one or get another smiley.
3. When driving 3/32nd rivets use about 35-40PSI. The longer the rivet attachment
the slightly higher the pressure.
4. When driving 1/8th rivets use about 65-70PSI. Again, when you need to use a
longer rivet attachment increase the pressure slightly.
5. Try as best you can to drive the rivet in one go rather than multiple goes.
Hold the rivet gun and bucking bar as square to the rivet as possible and just
let the bucking bar do the work. If your pressures are right you'll see the head
forming before your eyes and it will feel right. There's no other way to describe
it.
6. Just have a go! By the time you get half way through the HS you'll wonder what
all the fuss was about. Then again, when you get near the end of the elevators
where you're expected to get your large hands into ridiculously awkward positions
to drive a rivet you'll feel the frustration creeping back.
Mark Drury
40436 (just finishing elevators)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
Hello Rob,
are you sure, as long as you did choose same name same location it will
not add twice just your shoutouts will include twice the text.
br Werner
rob kermanj wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
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> On Nov 2, 2005, at 6:54 AM, Werner Schneider wrote:
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
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>> Rob,
>>
>> what exactly do you mean with edit? You can add yourself with the
>> "add yourself" button on the right, further you can add comments and
>> pictures (as you might get a cookie on your PC), you can be deleted
>> by the administrator only, have also a look at the FAQ and tips part
>> many answers are there http://www.frappr.com/? a=doc§ion=faq
>>
>> Werner
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>> rob kermanj wrote:
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Group:
Has anyone installed any cargo tiedown rings in the baggage area? Any
recommendations on a type or a source?
TDT
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
Tim,
Here is a checklist that a local DAR uses as published by EAA Chapter
670. Might come in handy.
http://www.aerovents.com/eaa670/eaabldrcklst.htm
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I was thinking that on my next order from ACS, I'd get whatever logbooks
and placards I'll need. I see on this page of ACS's catalog they have a
nameplate, and stainless steel ID tag on the top of the page.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06348.pdf
I need both of these, right? I've seen the black on the side under the
HS on -10's. Where would the nameplate go?
Tim
RV10-List Email Forum -
more:
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| Subject: | Placards/Nameplate |
Group:
Did we discuss before what the meaning of "cruise speed" is, vis-=E0-vis if you
need 12 inch N-numbers or 3-inch? The FAR doesn't say MAX speed - just "cruise
speed". It would be close, anyway. I think I've seen -10's with both 12 and
3 inch numbers.
TDT
40025
________________________________
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
Tim,
Here is a checklist that a local DAR uses as published by EAA Chapter 670. Might
come in handy.
http://www.aerovents.com/eaa670/eaabldrcklst.htm
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I was thinking that on my next order from ACS, I'd get whatever logbooks and placards
I'll need. I see on this page of ACS's catalog they have a nameplate,
and stainless steel ID tag on the top of the page.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06348.pdf
I need both of these, right? I've seen the black on the side under the HS on -10's.
Where would the nameplate go?
Tim
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Is anybody on the list in Columbia, SC? We are flying in there tomorrow and
are looking for a place to put the -10 in the shade, whether a hangar,
T-hangar or shade hangar. If anybody is there or knows somebody there (KCAE
preferably), please let us know.
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: Placards/Nameplate |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I went 12" not only for the cruise speed issue, but for the various
ADIZ-related issues and international issues. (You need 12" to fly
in an ADIZ, and these days who knows where they'll pop up next).
I know some others see no need for this, and in their case, they
may be correct. The *safe* bet (for 2005 and beyond) is to just
use 12", and that should be indisputable. There are even people
who have commented that they used small letters because it helps
avoid identification so they don't have to worry about enforcement
actions as much, which is kind of a funny way to argue, but valid
I guess if you're going to do something that might bring trouble
or be mis-percieved as wrong.
As far as ugly goes, I guess I'm an oddball. One of my favorite
aspects of my new paint is how nice the N-Numbers look. ;)
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/20051030/RV200510300046.html
PS: On a humorous note....if you go 3", don't bragg to loudly
if the FAA is around as to how fast your -10 flies. ;)
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> Group:
>
> Did we discuss before what the meaning of cruise speed is, vis--vis
> if you need 12 inch N-numbers or 3-inch? The FAR doesnt say MAX speed
> just cruise speed. It would be close, anyway. I think Ive seen
> -10s with both 12 and 3 inch numbers.
>
> TDT
>
> 40025
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:07 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
>
>
>
> Tim,
>
> Here is a checklist that a local DAR uses as published by EAA Chapter
> 670. Might come in handy.
>
> http://www.aerovents.com/eaa670/eaabldrcklst.htm
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:54 PM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I was thinking that on my next order from ACS, I'd get whatever logbooks
> and placards I'll need. I see on this page of ACS's catalog they have a
> nameplate, and stainless steel ID tag on the top of the page.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06348.pdf
>
> I need both of these, right? I've seen the black on the side under the
> HS on -10's. Where would the nameplate go?
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> ====================================
> RV10-List Email Forum -
> more:
> bsp;
> ====================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Placards/Nameplate |
We are definitely on the line with that little rule. Van's top speed of 211mph
is 183.353987 knots and 75% cruise is 201mph or 174.664225 knots. Probably could
get away with three inch but you need 12 inch anyway if you leave the country.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 waiting on fuselage
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
Group:
Did we discuss before what the meaning of "cruise speed" is, vis-=E0-vis if you
need 12 inch N-numbers or 3-inch? The FAR doesn't say MAX speed - just "cruise
speed". It would be close, anyway. I think I've seen -10's with both 12 and
3 inch numbers.
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
Tim,
Here is a checklist that a local DAR uses as published by EAA Chapter 670. Might
come in handy.
http://www.aerovents.com/eaa670/eaabldrcklst.htm
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I was thinking that on my next order from ACS, I'd get whatever logbooks and placards
I'll need. I see on this page of ACS's catalog they have a nameplate,
and stainless steel ID tag on the top of the page.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06348.pdf
I need both of these, right? I've seen the black on the side under the HS on -10's.
Where would the nameplate go?
Tim
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| Subject: | Possible big mistake |
Hi all!
I am just finishing the rudder and was unable to get a rivet into the
skin and end of the R-1004. The plans call for putting in a
CCR264SS-3-2 on the other side which I can do but I can't seem to get
the other side because of the limited space. I thought of trying a
CCR264SS-3-2 on both sides but they are too long. Any suggestions?
-----Original Message---
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Columbia, SC
Is anybody on the list in Columbia, SC? We are flying in there tomorrow
and are looking for a place to put the -10 in the shade, whether a
hangar, T-hangar or shade hangar. If anybody is there or knows somebody
there (KCAE preferably), please let us know.
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Placards/Nameplate |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
Given that Van's published 75% cruise speed is 175kts at 2200lbs and 171
at 2700 with the 260 hp engine, unless you find some significant speed
tweaks, you aren't going to exceed 180kts CAS in cruise.
But as Tim mentions, there are considerations besides just going with the
minimum.
Tim Dawson-Townsend said:
> Group:
>
>
> Did we discuss before what the meaning of "cruise speed" is, vis--vis if
> you need 12 inch N-numbers or 3-inch? The FAR doesn't say MAX speed -
> just "cruise speed". It would be close, anyway. I think I've seen -10's
> with both 12 and 3 inch numbers.
>
>
> TDT
>
> 40025
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| Subject: | Placards/Nameplate |
Note: You don't need 12 inch for Canada. But then, that's not really a different
country . . . : )
I like 3 inch "just because I can" - another way to set yourself apart from the
certified "spam cans" . . .
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
We are definitely on the line with that little rule. Van's top speed of 211mph
is 183.353987 knots and 75% cruise is 201mph or 174.664225 knots. Probably could
get away with three inch but you need 12 inch anyway if you leave the country.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 waiting on fuselage
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
Group:
Did we discuss before what the meaning of "cruise speed" is, vis-=E0-vis if you
need 12 inch N-numbers or 3-inch? The FAR doesn't say MAX speed - just "cruise
speed". It would be close, anyway. I think I've seen -10's with both 12 and
3 inch numbers.
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
Tim,
Here is a checklist that a local DAR uses as published by EAA Chapter 670. Might
come in handy.
http://www.aerovents.com/eaa670/eaabldrcklst.htm
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I was thinking that on my next order from ACS, I'd get whatever logbooks and placards
I'll need. I see on this page of ACS's catalog they have a nameplate,
and stainless steel ID tag on the top of the page.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06348.pdf
I need both of these, right? I've seen the black on the side under the HS on -10's.
Where would the nameplate go?
Tim
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| Subject: | Possible big mistake |
A picture would help, but in absence, are you saying that you have no room
to get a bucking bar in there? If this is the case for the solid rivet,
have you tried to grind down an old cold chisel? Also with the stainless
steel blind rivets, you can put one in, bottom it out, then pull up just
enough to give you some more room, then push in again, etc.
John Jessen
328 HS & Elevators
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Hunter
Subject: RV10-List: Possible big mistake
Hi all!
I am just finishing the rudder and was unable to get a rivet into the skin
and end of the R-1004. The plans call for putting in a CCR264SS-3-2 on the
other side which I can do but I can't seem to get the other side because of
the limited space. I thought of trying a CCR264SS-3-2 on both sides but
they are too long. Any suggestions?
-----Original Message---
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Columbia, SC
Is anybody on the list in Columbia, SC? We are flying in there tomorrow and
are looking for a place to put the -10 in the shade, whether a hangar,
T-hangar or shade hangar. If anybody is there or knows somebody there (KCAE
preferably), please let us know.
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: Columbia, SC |
Call me after 11:30 AM today.
I have a plane based at KCAE.
James
803-238-2113
On 11/2/05, Jesse Saint <jesse@itecusa.org> wrote:
>
> Is anybody on the list in Columbia, SC? We are flying in there tomorrow
> and are looking for a place to put the -10 in the shade, whether a hangar,
> T-hangar or shade hangar. If anybody is there or knows somebody there (KCAE
> preferably), please let us know.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org
>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
>
> W: 352-465-4545
>
> C: 352-427-0285
>
> F: 815-377-3694
>
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james@nextupventures.com .
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| Subject: | For the new starters |
Junk? Junk! There is no junk on this list. At least now. Might be this
winter. :-)
John
do not archive
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack
Subject: RE: RV10-List: For the new starters
Good post, Mark.
I for one am not yet an RV-10 builder, but plan to buy the Empennage kit and
start on it next winter (I promised my fianc=E9e at OSH this summer that I
wouldn=92t build another airplane for at least a year). I=92m spending my time
=93lurking=94 on this list and compiling my own archive of useful tips. Yours
will go on that list. I did some riveting when building the cowling for my
scratch=96built Pietenpol Air Camper, but not as good a job as I would have
liked. Your tips would have helped.
This list appears to be as helpful as the Matronics Pietenpol list.
Different mindset (here people are talking about which Autopilot or EFIS to
install, on the Pietenpol list the debates are over douglas fir versus sitka
spruce, or Aerothane versus latex house paint). On both lists you wade
through a lot of junk but get the occasional gem, and you soon learn that
there are a few people on the list that it really pays to listen to =96 people
who really know what they are talking about. Thanks for posting a =93gem=94.
Do Not Archive
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
Pietenpol Air Camper NX899JP
Van=92s RV-4 N18LR
Listed on the Frappr =93Pietenpol=94 list
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Drury
Subject: RV10-List: For the new starters
A lot of people are a long way into the project and there's a lot of talk
about painting and engines etc which is years away for those just
starting,so, for those who have just started I'll share a few things I've
learned so far (I know you can look up the archive but who cares).
Learning to rivet: it scares the crap out of all of us to begin with but
here are a few tricks I've learned. I have the advantage of working for a GA
airline and have access to LAME's and engineers etc and most of these tricks
they gave me.
1. When riveting flush rivets (AN426), run a line of masking tape either
side of the line of holes (on the gun side) and you'll find that the gun
doesn't wander around anywhere near as much.
2. When riveting AN470 rivets put a piece of masking tape over the machined
head of the rivet. You will very rarely miss another one or get another
smiley.
3. When driving 3/32nd rivets use about 35-40PSI. The longer the rivet
attachment the slightly higher the pressure.
4. When driving 1/8th rivets use about 65-70PSI. Again, when you need to use
a longer rivet attachment increase the pressure slightly.
5. Try as best you can to drive the rivet in one go rather than multiple
goes. Hold the rivet gun and bucking bar as square to the rivet as possible
and just let the bucking bar do the work. If your pressures are right you'll
see the head forming before your eyes and it will feel right. There's no
other way to describe it.
6. Just have a go! By the time you get half way through the HS you'll wonder
what all the fuss was about. Then again, when you get near the end of the
elevators where you're expected to get your large hands into ridiculously
awkward positions to drive a rivet you'll feel the frustration creeping
back.
Mark Drury
40436 (just finishing elevators)
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| Subject: | For the new starters |
One man=92s junk is another man=92s treasure. I think it may seem like =93junk=94
to a non-builder or a not-yet-builder, but I enjoy reading most of what goes
through here. I agree that a lot of the stuff isn=92t as valuable as some
stuff, but I am sure this is different for different people. I usually
delete the threads about getting bucking bars into the VS, because I don=92t
need that info anymore.
DO NOT ARCHIVE (Does this tag mean that this e-mail is junk? If anything is
junk, this one is, I guess.)
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: For the new starters
Junk? Junk! There is no junk on this list. At least now. Might be this
winter. :-)
John
do not archive
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack
Subject: RE: RV10-List: For the new starters
Good post, Mark.
I for one am not yet an RV-10 builder, but plan to buy the Empennage kit and
start on it next winter (I promised my fianc=E9e at OSH this summer that I
wouldn=92t build another airplane for at least a year). I=92m spending my time
=93lurking=94 on this list and compiling my own archive of useful tips. Yours
will go on that list. I did some riveting when building the cowling for my
scratch=96built Pietenpol Air Camper, but not as good a job as I would have
liked. Your tips would have helped.
This list appears to be as helpful as the Matronics Pietenpol list.
Different mindset (here people are talking about which Autopilot or EFIS to
install, on the Pietenpol list the debates are over douglas fir versus sitka
spruce, or Aerothane versus latex house paint). On both lists you wade
through a lot of junk but get the occasional gem, and you soon learn that
there are a few people on the list that it really pays to listen to =96 people
who really know what they are talking about. Thanks for posting a =93gem=94.
Do Not Archive
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
Pietenpol Air Camper NX899JP
Van=92s RV-4 N18LR
Listed on the Frappr =93Pietenpol=94 list
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Drury
Subject: RV10-List: For the new starters
A lot of people are a long way into the project and there's a lot of talk
about painting and engines etc which is years away for those just
starting,so, for those who have just started I'll share a few things I've
learned so far (I know you can look up the archive but who cares).
Learning to rivet: it scares the crap out of all of us to begin with but
here are a few tricks I've learned. I have the advantage of working for a GA
airline and have access to LAME's and engineers etc and most of these tricks
they gave me.
1. When riveting flush rivets (AN426), run a line of masking tape either
side of the line of holes (on the gun side) and you'll find that the gun
doesn't wander around anywhere near as much.
2. When riveting AN470 rivets put a piece of masking tape over the machined
head of the rivet. You will very rarely miss another one or get another
smiley.
3. When driving 3/32nd rivets use about 35-40PSI. The longer the rivet
attachment the slightly higher the pressure.
4. When driving 1/8th rivets use about 65-70PSI. Again, when you need to use
a longer rivet attachment increase the pressure slightly.
5. Try as best you can to drive the rivet in one go rather than multiple
goes. Hold the rivet gun and bucking bar as square to the rivet as possible
and just let the bucking bar do the work. If your pressures are right you'll
see the head forming before your eyes and it will feel right. There's no
other way to describe it.
6. Just have a go! By the time you get half way through the HS you'll wonder
what all the fuss was about. Then again, when you get near the end of the
elevators where you're expected to get your large hands into ridiculously
awkward positions to drive a rivet you'll feel the frustration creeping
back.
Mark Drury
40436 (just finishing elevators)
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Thanks, James, for your help.
Our plane will also be in Louisville, KY from Monday through the following
Monday. Does anybody have an empty hangar up in that area that we could
park in?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Frappr Map for the list |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Nice work. What type of primer are you using?
John Jessen
328 HS and Elevators
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Henkjan van der
Zouw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Henkjan van der Zouw" <henkjan@zme.nl>
The world is bigger than just the USA!, I wish to be on the map too and be
part of the RV10 family.... but unfortunately I'm in Europe, is there a way
to expand the map in anyway?
Henkjan van der Zouw / Netherlands / 40355
http://www.kitlog.com/mykitlog/index.php?p=builders&builderid=136
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Tim Olson
Verzonden: dinsdag 1 november 2005 22:31
Aan: rv10-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
The real link is: http://www.frappr.com/rv10snorthamerica
I have it linked from my site too: http://www.myrv10.com
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
John Cram wrote:
> Would someone post a link to the map again. Thanks
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jeff Carpenter <mailto:jeff@westcottpress.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:39 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
> <jeff@westcottpress.com <mailto:jeff@westcottpress.com>>
>
> Move
>
> do not archive
> On Nov 1, 2005, at 11:57 AM, James Ochs wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org
> <mailto:jochs@froody.org>>
> >
> > weird. It won't take my zip code (94085).... any ideas?
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > John Jessen wrote:
> >
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen"
<jjessen@rcn.com
> <mailto:jjessen@rcn.com>>
> >>
> >> Mani,
> >>
> >> I may have entered myself 4 times. Hopefully you can keep the
> >> last one and
> >> discard the others. Otherwise, can you delete Bruce
> >> Breckenridge's photo?
> >> That's an imposter. His work space is clean in that photo,
and I
> >> know for a
> >> fact that he can't even find his worktables, let alone his HS!
> >> Bruce B !!!!! You cleaned up for the photo op, you dog.
> >>
> >> John Jessen
> >> 328 HS and Elevators
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Mani
> Ravee
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:36 AM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >> Subject: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee"
> >> <maniravee@sbcglobal.net <mailto:maniravee@sbcglobal.net>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Guys, Here is a Frappr map for north america. Add yourselves
to
> >> it, both
> >> builders and finished ones.
http://www.frappr.com/rv10snorthamerica
> >>
> >>
> >> Mani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ================================================== Photoshare, and
> much much ;
> ===============================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Placards/Nameplate |
Tim, did you use a template for the numbers or just wing it???
Jim Wade
40383
Doing tanks! NASTY!!!!!
-------Original Message-------
From: Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I went 12" not only for the cruise speed issue, but for the various
ADIZ-related issues and international issues. (You need 12" to fly
in an ADIZ, and these days who knows where they'll pop up next).
I know some others see no need for this, and in their case, they
may be correct. The *safe* bet (for 2005 and beyond) is to just
use 12", and that should be indisputable. There are even people
who have commented that they used small letters because it helps
avoid identification so they don't have to worry about enforcement
actions as much, which is kind of a funny way to argue, but valid
I guess if you're going to do something that might bring trouble
or be mis-percieved as wrong.
As far as ugly goes, I guess I'm an oddball. One of my favorite
aspects of my new paint is how nice the N-Numbers look. ;)
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/20051030/RV200510300046.html
PS: On a humorous note....if you go 3", don't bragg to loudly
if the FAA is around as to how fast your -10 flies. ;)
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> Group:
>
> Did we discuss before what the meaning of =93cruise speed=94 is, vis-=E0-vis
> if you need 12 inch N-numbers or 3-inch? The FAR doesn=92t say MAX speed
> =96 just =93cruise speed=94. It would be close, anyway. I think I=92ve seen
> -10=92s with both 12 and 3 inch numbers.
>
> TDT
>
> 40025
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:07 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
>
>
> Tim,
>
> Here is a checklist that a local DAR uses as published by EAA Chapter
> 670. Might come in handy.
>
> http://www.aerovents.com/eaa670/eaabldrcklst.htm
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:54 PM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I was thinking that on my next order from ACS, I'd get whatever logbooks
> and placards I'll need. I see on this page of ACS's catalog they have a
> nameplate, and stainless steel ID tag on the top of the page.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06348.pdf
>
> I need both of these, right? I've seen the black on the side under the
> HS on -10's. Where would the nameplate go?
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> RV10-List Email Forum -
> more:
> bsp;
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Electric Aileron Trim #8 Screw Dimples |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
I am installing you Electric Aileron Trim in my RV-10
On page OP38-4 Step 4 the instructions have me dimple the wing
access plate for #8 flush-head screws. I cannot find in the instructions a
step to dimple the aileron trim actuation assembly. Are these #19
holes to be left un-dimpled? Is the assembly to sit only on the
dimples in the access plate, because that is what will happen if the
holes on the assembly are not dimpled.
The response from Ken Scott at Vans is
Good catch. We've added a line to Step 4 specifying that #19
holes in the Actuation Assembly should be dimpled for a #8 screw.
Larry Rosen
#40356
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| Subject: | TruTrak Roll Servo Update |
TruTrak has modified the installation of the Roll Servo for the 10.
Instead of the push-rod connecting to the bell crank, there is a bracket
that attaches to the bell crank, and then the push-rod connects to the
bracket. The new push rod is shorter. Also, you will need an AN3-15A
bolt. According to TruTrak this modification was made to improve the
torque characteristics of the servo. Fortunately, if you installed the
servo the old way, the new bracket will utilize the hold you already
drilled in the bellcrank assembly. Attached is a photo of the new
installation.
Larry Rosen
#356
Installing roll servo
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| Subject: | Re: Placards/Nameplate |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I got a Vinyl letter template made where they picked out the
numbers. I painted the silver, then they had an offset
border of I think .35" that I peeled off the vinyl. I taped
over the silver letters by hand, and then sprayed the blue
border with the blue stripe below it.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current section: Engine Hookups
Jim Wade wrote:
> Tim, did you use a template for the numbers or just wing it???
> Jim Wade
> 40383
> Doing tanks! NASTY!!!!!
>
> /-------Original Message-------/
>
> /*From:*/ Tim Olson <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>
> /*Date:*/ 11/02/05 09:20:44
> /*To:*/ rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> /*Subject:*/ Re: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
>
> I went 12" not only for the cruise speed issue, but for the various
> ADIZ-related issues and international issues. (You need 12" to fly
> in an ADIZ, and these days who knows where they'll pop up next).
> I know some others see no need for this, and in their case, they
> may be correct. The *safe* bet (for 2005 and beyond) is to just
> use 12", and that should be indisputable. There are even people
> who have commented that they used small letters because it helps
> avoid identification so they don't have to worry about enforcement
> actions as much, which is kind of a funny way to argue, but valid
> I guess if you're going to do something that might bring trouble
> or be mis-percieved as wrong.
>
> As far as ugly goes, I guess I'm an oddball. One of my favorite
> aspects of my new paint is how nice the N-Numbers look. ;)
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/20051030/RV200510300046.html
>
> PS: On a humorous note....if you go 3", don't bragg to loudly
> if the FAA is around as to how fast your -10 flies. ;)
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> > Group:
> >
> > Did we discuss before what the meaning of cruise speed is, vis--vis
> > if you need 12 inch N-numbers or 3-inch? The FAR doesnt say MAX speed
> > just cruise speed. It would be close, anyway. I think Ive seen
> > -10s with both 12 and 3 inch numbers.
> >
> > TDT
> >
> > 40025
> >
> >
> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV Builder
> > (Michael Sausen)
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:07 AM
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim,
> >
> > Here is a checklist that a local DAR uses as published by EAA Chapter
> > 670. Might come in handy.
> >
> > http://www.aerovents.com/eaa670/eaabldrcklst.htm
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:54 PM
> > To: RV10
> > Subject: RV10-List: Placards/Nameplate
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> >
> > I was thinking that on my next order from ACS, I'd get whatever logbooks
> > and placards I'll need. I see on this page of ACS's catalog they have a
> > nameplate, and stainless steel ID tag on the top of the page.
> >
> > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06348.pdf
> >
> > I need both of these, right? I've seen the black on the side under the
> > HS on -10's. Where would the nameplate go?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Lasar Ignition Horror Story |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ronald Grover" <rv8grover@bwdmail.net>
Listers:
If you own or are considering the Lasar Ignition System for your airplane,
read this and beware. Lasar Ignition came on my new Lycoming Engine from the
factory. A screw on the distributor cap backed out of my left magneto and it
took 364 hours of working back and forth to destroy the magneto. Unisons
service manual doesn't even have you look at the points until 500 hours.
After sending him pictures of the Magneto, the Service Representative at
Unison said that it was beyond the warranty period and couldn't possibility
be a manufacturing defect and they wouldn't pay for anything.
This all started with a 300+ mag drop on the Left Magneto. While looking for
the cause of the Mag drop, I removed the ignition lead caps and found the
left magneto distributor cap moving up and down. Danny King and I took the
magneto apart and found that one of the screws on the distributor had backed
out and had been working in the hole in the case. There was plastic, carbon,
and aluminum dust all over in the magneto.
Lessons learned:
Unison doesn't stand behind their top of the line Ignition System.
None of their dealers stock the 4771 magneto meaning minimum of 3 weeks to
get one.
The only way you can get one sooner is say A.O.G. and the distributor can
have it drop shipped from the factory overnight for another $45.
Aircraft Spruce had the lowest price of $601 plus $150 core charge.
I have bought my last Unison Product. If anything else goes wrong with the
Lasar system, I will remove it from the airplane and install P-Mags. A P-Mag
system is less than half the cost of the Lasar system and being a new
company, I'll bet you they would be very interested in a premature failure
of one of their components.
Ron Grover
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| Subject: | Re: TruTrak Roll Servo Update |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
I'm assuming that those of us who have the "old" hardware and have yet
to install can request the "new" hardware?
-Sean #40303 (top wing skins)
Larry Rosen wrote:
> TruTrak has modified the installation of the Roll Servo for the 10.
> Instead of the push-rod connecting to the bell crank, there is a
> bracket that attaches to the bell crank, and then the push-rod
> connects to the bracket. The new push rod is shorter. Also, you will
> need an AN3-15A bolt. According to TruTrak this modification was made
> to improve the torque characteristics of the servo. Fortunately, if
> you installed the servo the old way, the new bracket will utilize the
> hold you already drilled in the bellcrank assembly. Attached is a
> photo of the new installation.
>
> Larry Rosen
> #356
> Installing roll servo
>
>
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| Subject: | Frappr Map for the list |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
Yes, just click and pan the map to where ever you are.
Maybe we can change the name to just RV10 and leave out the north America?
Any suggestions?
Mani
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Henkjan van der
Zouw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Henkjan van der Zouw" <henkjan@zme.nl>
The world is bigger than just the USA!, I wish to be on the map too and
be part of the RV10 family.... but unfortunately I'm in Europe, is there
a way to expand the map in anyway?
Henkjan van der Zouw / Netherlands / 40355
http://www.kitlog.com/mykitlog/index.php?p=builders&builderid=136
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Tim Olson
Verzonden: dinsdag 1 november 2005 22:31
Aan: rv10-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
The real link is: http://www.frappr.com/rv10snorthamerica
I have it linked from my site too: http://www.myrv10.com
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
John Cram wrote:
> Would someone post a link to the map again. Thanks
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jeff Carpenter <mailto:jeff@westcottpress.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:39 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
> <jeff@westcottpress.com <mailto:jeff@westcottpress.com>>
>
> Move
>
> do not archive
> On Nov 1, 2005, at 11:57 AM, James Ochs wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org
> <mailto:jochs@froody.org>>
> >
> > weird. It won't take my zip code (94085).... any ideas?
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > John Jessen wrote:
> >
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen"
<jjessen@rcn.com
> <mailto:jjessen@rcn.com>>
> >>
> >> Mani,
> >>
> >> I may have entered myself 4 times. Hopefully you can keep the
> >> last one and
> >> discard the others. Otherwise, can you delete Bruce
> >> Breckenridge's photo?
> >> That's an imposter. His work space is clean in that photo,
and I
> >> know for a
> >> fact that he can't even find his worktables, let alone his HS!
> >> Bruce B !!!!! You cleaned up for the photo op, you dog.
> >>
> >> John Jessen
> >> 328 HS and Elevators
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Mani
> Ravee
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:36 AM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >> Subject: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee"
> >> <maniravee@sbcglobal.net <mailto:maniravee@sbcglobal.net>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Guys, Here is a Frappr map for north america. Add yourselves
to
> >> it, both
> >> builders and finished ones.
http://www.frappr.com/rv10snorthamerica
> >>
> >>
> >> Mani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ================================================== Photoshare, and
> much much ;
> ===============================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | TruTrak Roll Servo Update |
Before the flurry of emails start, I sent an email to Trutrak asking them if the
existing roll servos will be updated. I'll let you know what I hear unless
Stein or someone in the know, knows.
Michael
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Subject: RV10-List: TruTrak Roll Servo Update
TruTrak has modified the installation of the Roll Servo for the 10.
Instead of the push-rod connecting to the bell crank, there is a bracket that attaches
to the bell crank, and then the push-rod connects to the bracket. The
new push rod is shorter. Also, you will need an AN3-15A bolt. According to TruTrak
this modification was made to improve the torque characteristics of the
servo. Fortunately, if you installed the servo the old way, the new bracket
will utilize the hold you already drilled in the bellcrank assembly. Attached
is a photo of the new installation.
Larry Rosen
#356
Installing roll servo
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| Subject: | Electric Aileron Trim #8 Screw Dimples |
Yes, dimple the bracket. As you progress through the chapters, Van's stops telling
you to do some things and they assume you will know what to do. Cut's back
on the wording but it makes you spend more time wondering if you are forgetting
something.
BTW, those springs are a pain in the arse to attach. Just did it myself last weekend.
Enjoy!
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 waiting on fuselage/odds and ends
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Subject: RV10-List: Electric Aileron Trim #8 Screw Dimples
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
I am installing you Electric Aileron Trim in my RV-10 On page OP38-4 Step 4 the
instructions have me dimple the wing access plate for #8 flush-head screws.
I cannot find in the instructions a step to dimple the aileron trim actuation
assembly. Are these #19 holes to be left un-dimpled? Is the assembly to sit
only on the dimples in the access plate, because that is what will happen if
the holes on the assembly are not dimpled.
The response from Ken Scott at Vans is
Good catch. We've added a line to Step 4 specifying that #19 holes in the Actuation
Assembly should be dimpled for a #8 screw.
Larry Rosen
#40356
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| Subject: | Frappr Map for the list |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Henkjan van der Zouw" <henkjan@zme.nl>
Glad you like it!
The primer that I use is of the German brand "Spiess Hecker" mainly a
car paint manufacturer, the base is PRIMER 4130/harder 3689, this is an
etching corrosion prevention, the second layer is FILLER 5120/harder
3368 which seals it off and at the same time it functions as the base
for the final paint for the outside body parts, it's very smooth to sand
down.
That's the reason that all my parts are primed at the outside also, I
see that most builders leave the protective plastic on as long as
possible, my former experience tells me that the longer it stays on, the
more difficult it is to remove, it can leave residue also in worst case.
Henkjan van der Zouw
40355
do not archive
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Namens John Jessen
Verzonden: woensdag 2 november 2005 17:48
Aan: rv10-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RE: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Nice work. What type of primer are you using?
John Jessen
328 HS and Elevators
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Henkjan van
der
Zouw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Henkjan van der Zouw" <henkjan@zme.nl>
The world is bigger than just the USA!, I wish to be on the map too and
be
part of the RV10 family.... but unfortunately I'm in Europe, is there a
way
to expand the map in anyway?
Henkjan van der Zouw / Netherlands / 40355
http://www.kitlog.com/mykitlog/index.php?p=builders&builderid=136
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Tim Olson
Verzonden: dinsdag 1 november 2005 22:31
Aan: rv10-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
The real link is: http://www.frappr.com/rv10snorthamerica
I have it linked from my site too: http://www.myrv10.com
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
John Cram wrote:
> Would someone post a link to the map again. Thanks
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jeff Carpenter <mailto:jeff@westcottpress.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:39 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
> <jeff@westcottpress.com <mailto:jeff@westcottpress.com>>
>
> Move
>
> do not archive
> On Nov 1, 2005, at 11:57 AM, James Ochs wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org
> <mailto:jochs@froody.org>>
> >
> > weird. It won't take my zip code (94085).... any ideas?
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > John Jessen wrote:
> >
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen"
<jjessen@rcn.com
> <mailto:jjessen@rcn.com>>
> >>
> >> Mani,
> >>
> >> I may have entered myself 4 times. Hopefully you can keep the
> >> last one and
> >> discard the others. Otherwise, can you delete Bruce
> >> Breckenridge's photo?
> >> That's an imposter. His work space is clean in that photo,
and I
> >> know for a
> >> fact that he can't even find his worktables, let alone his HS!
> >> Bruce B !!!!! You cleaned up for the photo op, you dog.
> >>
> >> John Jessen
> >> 328 HS and Elevators
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Mani
> Ravee
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:36 AM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >> Subject: RV10-List: Frappr Map for the list
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee"
> >> <maniravee@sbcglobal.net <mailto:maniravee@sbcglobal.net>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Guys, Here is a Frappr map for north america. Add yourselves
to
> >> it, both
> >> builders and finished ones.
http://www.frappr.com/rv10snorthamerica
> >>
> >>
> >> Mani
> >>
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> >>
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> ================================================== Photoshare, and
> much much ;
> ===============================================
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Hey, Jesse, have you guys ordered a canopy cover for your airplane? : )
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Thanks, James, for your help.
Our plane will also be in Louisville, KY from Monday through the following Monday.
Does anybody have an empty hangar up in that area that we could park in?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Lasar Ignition Horror Story |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dave Saylor" <Dave@aircraftersllc.com>
We have a customer using two LASARs on a Lancair 320. A few months ago,
with 120 hours on the mags, he reported a similar mag drop. He did the
troubleshooting and isolated the mechanical mag. A brief inspection did not
show any problems--points looked OK, all wires intact. He returned the mag
to Unison and waited for 2 months. They eventually replaced the mag free of
charge but would not tell us what was wrong. They were nice enough about
it, but it did take a long time, and it did fail suddenly at 120 hours.
The system is bulky and heavy, and it requires special tools to use.
What is the advantage to a more efficient engine when it's down for months
at a time?
I'd have a hard time recommending LASAR even over standard mags.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
831-722-9141
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronald Grover
Subject: RV10-List: Lasar Ignition Horror Story
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ronald Grover" <rv8grover@bwdmail.net>
Listers:
If you own or are considering the Lasar Ignition System for your airplane,
read this and beware. Lasar Ignition came on my new Lycoming Engine from the
factory. A screw on the distributor cap backed out of my left magneto and it
took 364 hours of working back and forth to destroy the magneto. Unisons
service manual doesn't even have you look at the points until 500 hours.
After sending him pictures of the Magneto, the Service Representative at
Unison said that it was beyond the warranty period and couldn't possibility
be a manufacturing defect and they wouldn't pay for anything.
This all started with a 300+ mag drop on the Left Magneto. While looking for
the cause of the Mag drop, I removed the ignition lead caps and found the
left magneto distributor cap moving up and down. Danny King and I took the
magneto apart and found that one of the screws on the distributor had backed
out and had been working in the hole in the case. There was plastic, carbon,
and aluminum dust all over in the magneto.
Lessons learned:
Unison doesn't stand behind their top of the line Ignition System.
None of their dealers stock the 4771 magneto meaning minimum of 3 weeks to
get one.
The only way you can get one sooner is say A.O.G. and the distributor can
have it drop shipped from the factory overnight for another $45.
Aircraft Spruce had the lowest price of $601 plus $150 core charge.
I have bought my last Unison Product. If anything else goes wrong with the
Lasar system, I will remove it from the airplane and install P-Mags. A P-Mag
system is less than half the cost of the Lasar system and being a new
company, I'll bet you they would be very interested in a premature failure
of one of their components.
Ron Grover
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| Subject: | Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection |
Do you have your heat boxes that fit on the firewall yet? Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
Randy,
Please explain why when the heat controls are turned off the unused heat
is dumped around the fuel pump
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
________________________________
From: Randy DeBauw [mailto:Randy@abros.com]
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
Well let me tell you about one instance of my fuel system starting to
vapor lock. It was a hot day this summer, about 96 deg. I was climbing
out at about 1000 fpm from 150ft airport elev. to 9000ft. when I was
passing through 5000ft I noticed the fuel pressure dropping from its
normal 19 to 21 psi to around 17.5. I turned on the fuel pump and the
pressure went to 28 psi. I lowered the nose and left the fuel pump on
for 5 min or so. Lowering the nose did the trick. Turned the fuel pump
off and the pressures were fine. I have a 1" scat tube running to the
fuel pump to cool it. Remember that with the heater controls turned off
that the unused heated air is dumped right around the fuel pump. I have
had no issues starting the engine when hot - 100 plus deg. The trick is
to leave the mix full lean and start cranking. After 5 revs or so if it
isn't running already start bleeding in some fuel with the mix. Starts
every time. 102 hours and counting. I am working on my IFR ticket for
the next few months. Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
Vapor lock is NOT just a startup problem.
The following is an NTSB report from a crash near where my parents live.
The pilot and passengers were not hurt, and although it sounds like he
did everything right vapor lock still bit him.
-Jim 40384
NTSB Number: CHI04CA210
Narrative Type: NTSB FINAL NARRATIVE (6120.4)
The airplane was destroyed during a post-impact ground fire, following a
loss of engine power and subsequent forced landing. The pilot reported
he had landed and shut down the engine for a few minutes prior to
loading his two passengers for a local flight. The pilot stated the
airplane contained 35 gallons of fuel prior to the accident flight. The
pilot reported the engine "shuddered" during takeoff roll and he aborted
the takeoff. The pilot stated he then performed an engine run-up check
and the engine "felt fine." The airplane experienced a loss of engine
power while on the second takeoff attempt. The pilot stated he
maneuvered the airplane to land on a nearby road and it impacted a road
sign prior to coming to stop. An on-ground fire engulfed the airplane
shortly thereafter. There were no anomalies noted with the engine during
a post-accident operational test. The outside temperature at the time of
the accident was approximately 28 degrees Celsius. A condition known as
vapor lock can occur when engine heats the fuel lines and the contained
fuel becomes a vapor. This tendency is increased if the fuel in the tank
is warm, commonly as a result of high atmospheric temperatures. The fuel
vapor can result in partial or complete interruption of fuel flow to the
engine.
Narrative Type: NTSB PRELIMINARY NARRATIVE (6120.19)
On July 31, 2004, at 1519 eastern daylight time, a Piper PA-28RT-201T,
N77782, piloted by a private pilot, was destroyed during a post-impact
ground fire following a loss of engine power and subsequent forced
landing near Plymouth, Michigan. The airplane experienced the loss of
engine power while on initial climb from runway 18 (2,556 feet by 75
feet, dry asphalt) at the Canton-Plymouth-Mettetal Airport (1DS). Visual
meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of the accident. The
personal flight was operating under the provisions of 14 CFR Part 91
without a flight plan. The pilot and one passenger were not injured. One
passenger reported minor injuries. The local area flight was originating
at the time of the accident.
The pilot reported he had landed at 1500 and shut down the engine for a
few minutes prior to loading his two passengers for a local flight. The
pilot stated the airplane contained 35 gallons of 100 low-lead aviation
fuel prior to the accident flight.
The pilot reported the engine "shuddered" during takeoff roll and he
aborted the takeoff. The pilot stated he then performed an engine run-up
check and the engine "felt fine." The pilot reported he taxied onto
runway 18 and set the engine power to 2,500 rpm and 38 inches of
manifold pressure. The pilot stated the airplane became airborne and
experienced a loss of engine power while on initial climb.
The pilot reported he switched fuel tanks, but there was no increase in
engine power. The pilot stated the airplane descended under some power
lines as he maneuvered the airplane to land on a nearby road. The pilot
reported the airplane impacted a road sign prior to coming to stop and
an on-ground fire engulfed the airplane shortly thereafter.
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) inspectors performed the on-site
investigation. The engine was removed from the accident airplane and
mounted on a compatible airframe for an operational engine test. The
engine started and idled without anomalies. The engine was then
accelerated to 2,200 rpm which yielded approximately 80 lbs of oil
pressure. The engine was then shut-off using the mixture idle cut-off.
There were no anomalies noted with the engine during the operational
test.
The closest weather reporting station to the accident site was located
at the Willow Run Airport (YIP), Detroit, Michigan, about 7.4 nautical
miles (nm) southeast of the accident site. The airport is equipped with
an Automated Surface Observing System (ASOS). The following weather
conditions were reported prior to and at the time of the accident:
At 1453 edt: Wind 230 degrees at 11 knots, visibility unrestricted at 10
statute miles (sm), few clouds at 5,000 feet above ground level (agl),
temperature 28 degrees Celsius, dew point -01 degrees Celsius, altimeter
setting 29.90 inches-of-mercury.
According to FAA publication AC 65-12A, fuel normally remains in a
liquid state until it is discharged into the air stream and changes into
a vapor. Under certain conditions the fuel may vaporize in the lines,
pumps, or other fuel components. The vapor pockets formed by the
premature vaporization can restrict the fuel flow through units that
were designed to handle liquids rather than gases. The resulting partial
or complete interruption of the fuel flow is called vapor lock.
Transfer of heat from the engine tends to cause vaporization of fuel in
the lines and the pump. This tendency is increased if the fuel in the
tank is warm, commonly as a result of high atmospheric temperatures.
Vapor lock can become serious enough to block the fuel flow completely
and stop the engine. Even small amounts of vapor in the inlet line can
restrict the fuel flow to the engine driven pump and ultimately reduce
its output pressure.
Narrative Type: NTSB PROBABLE CAUSE NARRATIVE
The loss of engine power at a low altitude due to a fuel flow
restriction caused by vapor lock. Factors to the accident included the
high atmospheric temperature and the road sign that the airplane
impacted during the forced landing.
Jesse Saint wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
I am a little confused as well. We have a Bendix injection system. We
haven't put a return line in. We do have an overflow line that just
runs
out the back of the cowling. The system can't be pumping much more fuel
that it is using or our fuel flows would be higher. When burning
6.5-7gph @
17,500, I can't imagine that we are actually burning less than that and
wasting a significant amount. Is the main issue here vapor lock? Would
this system not work the same way whether you have a return line or an
overflow drain line? Running the boost pump is going to do the same
thing
any, right. I am not much of an engine guy, so please let me know where
I
am wrong. Also, if vapor lock mainly a startup issue, or are we needing
to
worry about this while we are flying? We certainly haven't had any
issues
with the system during our 150 hours in the air, but if it is an
accident
waiting to happen, it doesn't matter how many hours we have flown the
wrong
way, we want to fix it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
<mailto:kellym@aviating.com>
It depends on the brand fuel injection used. TCM and Bendix do not use a
common rail, they send fuel to a distributor that sends it to individual
injectors. Bendix regulates the fuel flow at the fuel servo, and only
fuel
needed goes to the distributor and injectors. Fuel pumps are self
limiting, returning excess pressure to their low pressure side. TCM
(Continental) is different, and does use a return loop. I don't know
what
aftermarket systems use.
There isn't much in common between aircraft injection systems and auto
systems. Aircraft still use continuous injection, most cars use
individual
timed injection for better emissions control. Aircraft distributors are
pressure controled, so when pressure drops below a preset minimum, no
fuel
goes to the injectors, allowing idle cutoff.
Lloyd, Daniel R. said:
It does, I did not realize there is a valve that is opened and
closed.
That makes more sense. I have not flown behind an IO engine,
just
standard. Now maybe you can explain to me, is it like in an
auto, where
there is allot more fuel going to the rail then is used, causing
a
return line to be necessary? or does it only pump what is
required/
used? I thought fuel injection meant a looped system, where only
the
portion of fuel that went to the injectors was used and the rest
sent
back to the tank?
_____
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That is correct Jesse. Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
He must mean the fuel pump mounted on the engine. That is where the
heated air is dumped when the cabin heat is turned off. It goes right
into the engine compartment below the mags and right by the fuel pump.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
Randy,
Please explain why when the heat controls are turned off the unused heat
is dumped around the fuel pump
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
________________________________
From: Randy DeBauw [mailto:Randy@abros.com]
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
Well let me tell you about one instance of my fuel system starting to
vapor lock. It was a hot day this summer, about 96 deg. I was climbing
out at about 1000 fpm from 150ft airport elev. to 9000ft. when I was
passing through 5000ft I noticed the fuel pressure dropping from its
normal 19 to 21 psi to around 17.5. I turned on the fuel pump and the
pressure went to 28 psi. I lowered the nose and left the fuel pump on
for 5 min or so. Lowering the nose did the trick. Turned the fuel pump
off and the pressures were fine. I have a 1" scat tube running to the
fuel pump to cool it. Remember that with the heater controls turned off
that the unused heated air is dumped right around the fuel pump. I have
had no issues starting the engine when hot - 100 plus deg. The trick is
to leave the mix full lean and start cranking. After 5 revs or so if it
isn't running already start bleeding in some fuel with the mix. Starts
every time. 102 hours and counting. I am working on my IFR ticket for
the next few months. Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
Vapor lock is NOT just a startup problem.
The following is an NTSB report from a crash near where my parents live.
The pilot and passengers were not hurt, and although it sounds like he
did everything right vapor lock still bit him.
-Jim 40384
NTSB Number: CHI04CA210
Narrative Type: NTSB FINAL NARRATIVE (6120.4)
The airplane was destroyed during a post-impact ground fire, following a
loss of engine power and subsequent forced landing. The pilot reported
he had landed and shut down the engine for a few minutes prior to
loading his two passengers for a local flight. The pilot stated the
airplane contained 35 gallons of fuel prior to the accident flight. The
pilot reported the engine "shuddered" during takeoff roll and he aborted
the takeoff. The pilot stated he then performed an engine run-up check
and the engine "felt fine." The airplane experienced a loss of engine
power while on the second takeoff attempt. The pilot stated he
maneuvered the airplane to land on a nearby road and it impacted a road
sign prior to coming to stop. An on-ground fire engulfed the airplane
shortly thereafter. There were no anomalies noted with the engine during
a post-accident operational test. The outside temperature at the time of
the accident was approximately 28 degrees Celsius. A condition known as
vapor lock can occur when engine heats the fuel lines and the contained
fuel becomes a vapor. This tendency is increased if the fuel in the tank
is warm, commonly as a result of high atmospheric temperatures. The fuel
vapor can result in partial or complete interruption of fuel flow to the
engine.
Narrative Type: NTSB PRELIMINARY NARRATIVE (6120.19)
On July 31, 2004, at 1519 eastern daylight time, a Piper PA-28RT-201T,
N77782, piloted by a private pilot, was destroyed during a post-impact
ground fire following a loss of engine power and subsequent forced
landing near Plymouth, Michigan. The airplane experienced the loss of
engine power while on initial climb from runway 18 (2,556 feet by 75
feet, dry asphalt) at the Canton-Plymouth-Mettetal Airport (1DS). Visual
meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of the accident. The
personal flight was operating under the provisions of 14 CFR Part 91
without a flight plan. The pilot and one passenger were not injured. One
passenger reported minor injuries. The local area flight was originating
at the time of the accident.
The pilot reported he had landed at 1500 and shut down the engine for a
few minutes prior to loading his two passengers for a local flight. The
pilot stated the airplane contained 35 gallons of 100 low-lead aviation
fuel prior to the accident flight.
The pilot reported the engine "shuddered" during takeoff roll and he
aborted the takeoff. The pilot stated he then performed an engine run-up
check and the engine "felt fine." The pilot reported he taxied onto
runway 18 and set the engine power to 2,500 rpm and 38 inches of
manifold pressure. The pilot stated the airplane became airborne and
experienced a loss of engine power while on initial climb.
The pilot reported he switched fuel tanks, but there was no increase in
engine power. The pilot stated the airplane descended under some power
lines as he maneuvered the airplane to land on a nearby road. The pilot
reported the airplane impacted a road sign prior to coming to stop and
an on-ground fire engulfed the airplane shortly thereafter.
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) inspectors performed the on-site
investigation. The engine was removed from the accident airplane and
mounted on a compatible airframe for an operational engine test. The
engine started and idled without anomalies. The engine was then
accelerated to 2,200 rpm which yielded approximately 80 lbs of oil
pressure. The engine was then shut-off using the mixture idle cut-off.
There were no anomalies noted with the engine during the operational
test.
The closest weather reporting station to the accident site was located
at the Willow Run Airport (YIP), Detroit, Michigan, about 7.4 nautical
miles (nm) southeast of the accident site. The airport is equipped with
an Automated Surface Observing System (ASOS). The following weather
conditions were reported prior to and at the time of the accident:
At 1453 edt: Wind 230 degrees at 11 knots, visibility unrestricted at 10
statute miles (sm), few clouds at 5,000 feet above ground level (agl),
temperature 28 degrees Celsius, dew point -01 degrees Celsius, altimeter
setting 29.90 inches-of-mercury.
According to FAA publication AC 65-12A, fuel normally remains in a
liquid state until it is discharged into the air stream and changes into
a vapor. Under certain conditions the fuel may vaporize in the lines,
pumps, or other fuel components. The vapor pockets formed by the
premature vaporization can restrict the fuel flow through units that
were designed to handle liquids rather than gases. The resulting partial
or complete interruption of the fuel flow is called vapor lock.
Transfer of heat from the engine tends to cause vaporization of fuel in
the lines and the pump. This tendency is increased if the fuel in the
tank is warm, commonly as a result of high atmospheric temperatures.
Vapor lock can become serious enough to block the fuel flow completely
and stop the engine. Even small amounts of vapor in the inlet line can
restrict the fuel flow to the engine driven pump and ultimately reduce
its output pressure.
Narrative Type: NTSB PROBABLE CAUSE NARRATIVE
The loss of engine power at a low altitude due to a fuel flow
restriction caused by vapor lock. Factors to the accident included the
high atmospheric temperature and the road sign that the airplane
impacted during the forced landing.
Jesse Saint wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
I am a little confused as well. We have a Bendix injection system. We
haven't put a return line in. We do have an overflow line that just
runs
out the back of the cowling. The system can't be pumping much more fuel
that it is using or our fuel flows would be higher. When burning
6.5-7gph @
17,500, I can't imagine that we are actually burning less than that and
wasting a significant amount. Is the main issue here vapor lock? Would
this system not work the same way whether you have a return line or an
overflow drain line? Running the boost pump is going to do the same
thing
any, right. I am not much of an engine guy, so please let me know where
I
am wrong. Also, if vapor lock mainly a startup issue, or are we needing
to
worry about this while we are flying? We certainly haven't had any
issues
with the system during our 150 hours in the air, but if it is an
accident
waiting to happen, it doesn't matter how many hours we have flown the
wrong
way, we want to fix it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vapor return for mechanical fuel injection
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
<mailto:kellym@aviating.com>
It depends on the brand fuel injection used. TCM and Bendix do not use a
common rail, they send fuel to a distributor that sends it to individual
injectors. Bendix regulates the fuel flow at the fuel servo, and only
fuel
needed goes to the distributor and injectors. Fuel pumps are self
limiting, returning excess pressure to their low pressure side. TCM
(Continental) is different, and does use a return loop. I don't know
what
aftermarket systems use.
There isn't much in common between aircraft injection systems and auto
systems. Aircraft still use continuous injection, most cars use
individual
timed injection for better emissions control. Aircraft distributors are
pressure controled, so when pressure drops below a preset minimum, no
fuel
goes to the injectors, allowing idle cutoff.
Lloyd, Daniel R. said:
It does, I did not realize there is a valve that is opened and
closed.
That makes more sense. I have not flown behind an IO engine,
just
standard. Now maybe you can explain to me, is it like in an
auto, where
there is allot more fuel going to the rail then is used, causing
a
return line to be necessary? or does it only pump what is
required/
used? I thought fuel injection meant a looped system, where only
the
portion of fuel that went to the injectors was used and the rest
sent
back to the tank?
_____
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| Subject: | Re: TruTrak Roll Servo Update |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
When I spoke with TruTrak, I warned them that when I post the new
bracket to the RV-10 group they will get a lot of requests. Their
response was that there were not that many kits out there. I don't
think they would automatically send out the modified bracket and push
rod. If you have not yet installed the servo, I would wait until you
have the new bracket.
Larry
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> Before the flurry of emails start, I sent an email to Trutrak asking
> them if the existing roll servos will be updated. I'll let you know
> what I hear unless Stein or someone in the know, knows.
>
> Michael
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:26 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: TruTrak Roll Servo Update
>
> TruTrak has modified the installation of the Roll Servo for the 10.
> Instead of the push-rod connecting to the bell crank, there is a
> bracket that attaches to the bell crank, and then the push-rod
> connects to the bracket. The new push rod is shorter. Also, you will
> need an AN3-15A bolt. According to TruTrak this modification was made
> to improve the torque characteristics of the servo. Fortunately, if
> you installed the servo the old way, the new bracket will utilize the
> hold you already drilled in the bellcrank assembly. Attached is a
> photo of the new installation.
>
> Larry Rosen
> #356
> Installing roll servo
>
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| Subject: | Re: TruTrak Roll Servo Update |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
When I got my Servo from Stein, it did not have the pushrod. I assume
this is part of the Van's supplied hardware in the wing kit that I
haven't gotten to yet? If so, the new piece wouldn't be in my wing kit
so I'd have to get one of those?
-Sean #40303
Larry Rosen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> When I spoke with TruTrak, I warned them that when I post the new
> bracket to the RV-10 group they will get a lot of requests. Their
> response was that there were not that many kits out there. I don't
> think they would automatically send out the modified bracket and push
> rod. If you have not yet installed the servo, I would wait until you
> have the new bracket.
>
> Larry
>
> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
>> Before the flurry of emails start, I sent an email to Trutrak asking
>> them if the existing roll servos will be updated. I'll let you know
>> what I hear unless Stein or someone in the know, knows.
>>
>> Michael
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:26 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: TruTrak Roll Servo Update
>>
>> TruTrak has modified the installation of the Roll Servo for the 10.
>> Instead of the push-rod connecting to the bell crank, there is a
>> bracket that attaches to the bell crank, and then the push-rod
>> connects to the bracket. The new push rod is shorter. Also, you will
>> need an AN3-15A bolt. According to TruTrak this modification was
>> made to improve the torque characteristics of the servo.
>> Fortunately, if you installed the servo the old way, the new bracket
>> will utilize the hold you already drilled in the bellcrank assembly.
>> Attached is a photo of the new installation.
>>
>> Larry Rosen
>> #356
>> Installing roll servo
>>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
> We do not have a cover yet. Did anything happen with the guy on this
> list who was going to look into getting a kit put together? We would
> really like to get a cover, but would still like to be in a hangar
whenever possible.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F:815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Hey, Jesse, have you guys ordered a canopy cover for your airplane? : )
TDT
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Thanks, James, for your help.
Our plane will also be in Louisville, KY from Monday through the following
Monday. Does anybody have an empty hangar up in that area that we could
park in?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F:815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: Louisville, KY |
Jesse,
What dates are you talking about? I'm going to be in Louisville the 7th-13th so
if you want to show off your plane let me know. No big deal though if you're
too busy.
-Brian
Iowa City, IA
Empennage
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Thanks, James, for your help.
Our plane will also be in Louisville, KY from Monday through the following Monday.
Does anybody have an empty hangar up in that area that we could park in?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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The plane will be there the 7th through the 14th. My dad will be in
Louisville at a conference, but he may be interested in showing it off a
little. I can give you a cell phone number for the guy that will be with
him if you want to check it out (Brad Burnett - 352-361-4848).
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sponcil
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Jesse,
What dates are you talking about? I'm going to be in Louisville the 7th-13th
so if you want to show off your plane let me know. No big deal though if
you're too busy.
-Brian
Iowa City, IA
Empennage
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
Subject: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Thanks, James, for your help.
Our plane will also be in Louisville, KY from Monday through the following
Monday. Does anybody have an empty hangar up in that area that we could
park in?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
That was me. My seamstress got overwhelmed in her day job and has yet to do
the measurements on Randy's plane. We won't be ready for about a month, but
do plan on making the kits available. Probably best to spend full fare if
you want them in a hurry.
John Jessen
328 HS / Elevators
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
> We do not have a cover yet. Did anything happen with the guy on this
> list who was going to look into getting a kit put together? We would
> really like to get a cover, but would still like to be in a hangar
whenever possible.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F:815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Hey, Jesse, have you guys ordered a canopy cover for your airplane? : )
TDT
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Thanks, James, for your help.
Our plane will also be in Louisville, KY from Monday through the following
Monday. Does anybody have an empty hangar up in that area that we could
park in?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F:815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Strange request/offer |
I have some stuff at Van's that I ordered from Spruce to have sent to
Ecuador in a container. It turns out we are learning the hard way that
shipping hazmat stuff in a container is extremely (how can I emphasize -
EXTREMELY!!!!!!!) complicated and expensive. Now I am having Spruce get a
quote on shipping the stuff directly down there, but now I have about $500
worth of stuff sitting at Van's that I need a home for. I have a friend who
will probably be able to go to Van's and pull the stuff out of the boxes,
but he doesn't need it, so that is where some of you may come in (those that
may live around there). If anybody wants to buy some of this stuff without
paying the shipping cost (and I am sure we can work out some kind of
discount), please contact me off the list.
Here's the list (with quantities):
1 West System Epoxy 205 Hardener - Qt
2 West System Epoxy 206 Hardener - Qt
2 FE6026 Parts A&B
2 AKZO Nobel Epoxy Primer - 2 Gal
24 Tempo green Zinc Chromate A
I look forward to possibly hearing from some of you!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | TruTrak Roll Servo Update |
Roll servo should have had the pushrod.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: Re: RV10-List: TruTrak Roll Servo Update
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
When I got my Servo from Stein, it did not have the pushrod. I assume this is
part of the Van's supplied hardware in the wing kit that I haven't gotten to yet?
If so, the new piece wouldn't be in my wing kit so I'd have to get one of
those?
-Sean #40303
Larry Rosen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> When I spoke with TruTrak, I warned them that when I post the new
> bracket to the RV-10 group they will get a lot of requests. Their
> response was that there were not that many kits out there. I don't
> think they would automatically send out the modified bracket and push
> rod. If you have not yet installed the servo, I would wait until you
> have the new bracket.
>
> Larry
>
> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
>> Before the flurry of emails start, I sent an email to Trutrak asking
>> them if the existing roll servos will be updated. I'll let you know
>> what I hear unless Stein or someone in the know, knows.
>>
>> Michael
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
>> Rosen
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:26 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: TruTrak Roll Servo Update
>>
>> TruTrak has modified the installation of the Roll Servo for the 10.
>> Instead of the push-rod connecting to the bell crank, there is a
>> bracket that attaches to the bell crank, and then the push-rod
>> connects to the bracket. The new push rod is shorter. Also, you will
>> need an AN3-15A bolt. According to TruTrak this modification was
>> made to improve the torque characteristics of the servo.
>> Fortunately, if you installed the servo the old way, the new bracket
>> will utilize the hold you already drilled in the bellcrank assembly.
>> Attached is a photo of the new installation.
>>
>> Larry Rosen
>> #356
>> Installing roll servo
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rob Kermanj - Port St. Lucie, FL |
Rob Kermanj Port Saint Lucie (FL)
I found you on the Frappr Map! I would like to visit your project as i am
getting ready to start! I ordered the tail feathers, waiting for shipment.
Where are you located? Where are you building? I have a Cessna 170B based at
SUA. Drop me a line.
Sorry to the group for sending this to all, there was not an e-mail
address on Rob on the FLAPPR site.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Steve
Stephen G. Blank,DDS
766 SE RIver Lane
Port St Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556 cell
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Who needs to measure my plane? Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
That was me. My seamstress got overwhelmed in her day job and has yet to do
the measurements on Randy's plane. We won't be ready for about a month, but
do plan on making the kits available. Probably best to spend full fare if
you want them in a hurry.
John Jessen
328 HS / Elevators
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
> We do not have a cover yet. Did anything happen with the guy on this
> list who was going to look into getting a kit put together? We would
> really like to get a cover, but would still like to be in a hangar
whenever possible.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F:815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Hey, Jesse, have you guys ordered a canopy cover for your airplane? : )
TDT
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Thanks, James, for your help.
Our plane will also be in Louisville, KY from Monday through the following
Monday. Does anybody have an empty hangar up in that area that we could
park in?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F:815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: Frappr Map for the list |
James,
It did the same thing to me. Our zip code changed about 2 yrs ago but not everyone
has figured it out. I just used the old zip code which is still valid. If
that doesn't work, just try a different zip which is close to you.
Roger Pierce
Bakersfield, CA
QB wings
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| Subject: | Frappr Map for the list |
So after youv'e messed up and uploaded two photos of yourself, how do you
delete them..?
Ted French
RV-10 wings
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| Subject: | Re: Frappr Map for the list |
The admin has to do it.
Ted on RV list wrote:
>
>
> So after youv'e messed up and uploaded two photos of yourself, how do
> you delete them..?
>
> Ted French
> RV-10 wings
>
>
>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>
>
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