Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:15 AM - Re: TruTrak Roll Servo Update (Tim Olson)
2. 06:50 AM - Re: Louisville, KY (Mike Lauritsen - Work)
3. 07:20 AM - RV-10 Covers (John Jessen)
4. 07:44 AM - Re: RV-10 Covers (Mike Lauritsen - Work)
5. 09:04 AM - Cleaveland Covers (Jesse Saint)
6. 09:09 AM - TruTrak DII VSG Harness (Jesse Saint)
7. 09:15 AM - Re: TruTrak Roll Servo Update (Sean Stephens)
8. 11:56 AM - Door Warning Light Kit (Jesse Saint)
9. 12:10 PM - Horsepower and Speed limits (Kelly McMullen)
10. 12:12 PM - Re: Door Warning Light Kit (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
11. 12:33 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (John Jessen)
12. 12:42 PM - Re: Door Warning Light Kit (Jesse Saint)
13. 12:56 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
14. 01:15 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (Kelly McMullen)
15. 01:21 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto)
16. 01:23 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (Jesse Saint)
17. 01:26 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (Jesse Saint)
18. 02:30 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (Pierre Levy)
19. 02:40 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (Russell Daves)
20. 02:46 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
21. 02:48 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (Jesse Saint)
22. 02:48 PM - Re: Door Warning Light Kit (David McNeill)
23. 02:48 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
24. 02:55 PM - Alternate intake air kit (David McNeill)
25. 02:57 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (Rick)
26. 02:58 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
27. 02:58 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
28. 02:59 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (David McNeill)
29. 03:01 PM - Re: Innodyn Turbine (LIKE2LOOP@AOL.COM)
30. 03:07 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (Jesse Saint)
31. 03:41 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (RAS)
32. 04:37 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto)
33. 04:41 PM - Warped fiberglass intersection fairings (U-1019-L/R, U-1020-L/R) (Tim Lewis)
34. 04:59 PM - Re: Warped fiberglass intersection fairings (U-1019-L/R, (Larry Rosen)
35. 05:44 PM - Re: Innodyn Turbine (bob.kaufmann)
36. 05:46 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (Mark Ritter)
37. 06:20 PM - Re: Horsepower and Speed limits (Chris)
38. 06:21 PM - Re: Warped fiberglass intersection fairings (U-1019-L/R, U-1020-L/R) (Chris)
39. 07:23 PM - Re: TruTrak Roll Servo Update (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
40. 09:17 PM - Re: Door Warning Light Kit (DejaVu)
41. 11:02 PM - Re: Door Warning Light Kit (John Jessen)
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| Subject: | Re: TruTrak Roll Servo Update |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
If you mean the threaded tube and turnbuckle type rod ends, yes, I
thknk you should have got those with your servos.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> When I got my Servo from Stein, it did not have the pushrod. I assume
> this is part of the Van's supplied hardware in the wing kit that I
> haven't gotten to yet? If so, the new piece wouldn't be in my wing kit
> so I'd have to get one of those?
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> Larry Rosen wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>
>> When I spoke with TruTrak, I warned them that when I post the new
>> bracket to the RV-10 group they will get a lot of requests. Their
>> response was that there were not that many kits out there. I don't
>> think they would automatically send out the modified bracket and push
>> rod. If you have not yet installed the servo, I would wait until you
>> have the new bracket.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>>
>>> Before the flurry of emails start, I sent an email to Trutrak asking
>>> them if the existing roll servos will be updated. I'll let you know
>>> what I hear unless Stein or someone in the know, knows.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:26 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: TruTrak Roll Servo Update
>>>
>>> TruTrak has modified the installation of the Roll Servo for the 10.
>>> Instead of the push-rod connecting to the bell crank, there is a
>>> bracket that attaches to the bell crank, and then the push-rod
>>> connects to the bracket. The new push rod is shorter. Also, you will
>>> need an AN3-15A bolt. According to TruTrak this modification was
>>> made to improve the torque characteristics of the servo.
>>> Fortunately, if you installed the servo the old way, the new bracket
>>> will utilize the hold you already drilled in the bellcrank assembly.
>>> Attached is a photo of the new installation.
>>>
>>> Larry Rosen
>>> #356
>>> Installing roll servo
>>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" <mike@cleavelandtool.com>
We have the cover designed and are waiting for the first prototype from the
factory. I would guess we will have it mid November, then the first covers
for sale around the first of the year. They will be like the rest of our
covers and for travel only not for continued storage. They are very
lightweight and completely waterproof.
I am keeping a list of people interested, if you would like on that list,
please send me an email privately at mike@cleavelandtool.com
Thanks,
Mike
Mike Lauritsen
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
2225 First St.
Boone, Iowa 50036
515-432-6794
mike@cleavelandtool.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Who needs to measure my plane? Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
That was me. My seamstress got overwhelmed in her day job and has yet to do
the measurements on Randy's plane. We won't be ready for about a month, but
do plan on making the kits available. Probably best to spend full fare if
you want them in a hurry.
John Jessen
328 HS / Elevators
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
> We do not have a cover yet. Did anything happen with the guy on this
> list who was going to look into getting a kit put together? We would
> really like to get a cover, but would still like to be in a hangar
whenever possible.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F:815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Hey, Jesse, have you guys ordered a canopy cover for your airplane? : )
TDT
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Thanks, James, for your help.
Our plane will also be in Louisville, KY from Monday through the following
Monday. Does anybody have an empty hangar up in that area that we could
park in?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F:815-377-3694
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Mike's will be professionally made, which is great. What I'm putting
together is a kit, like the old Frost Line kits that you used to make down
jackets from. It will contain the material, accessories, thread, etc.
It'll be for the person who wants to do every little bit himself or herself,
and save a few bucks.
John Jessen
328 HS / Elevators
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Lauritsen -
Work
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lauritsen - Work"
--> <mike@cleavelandtool.com>
We have the cover designed and are waiting for the first prototype from the
factory. I would guess we will have it mid November, then the first covers
for sale around the first of the year. They will be like the rest of our
covers and for travel only not for continued storage. They are very
lightweight and completely waterproof.
I am keeping a list of people interested, if you would like on that list,
please send me an email privately at mike@cleavelandtool.com
Thanks,
Mike
Mike Lauritsen
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
2225 First St.
Boone, Iowa 50036
515-432-6794
mike@cleavelandtool.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Who needs to measure my plane? Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
That was me. My seamstress got overwhelmed in her day job and has yet to do
the measurements on Randy's plane. We won't be ready for about a month, but
do plan on making the kits available. Probably best to spend full fare if
you want them in a hurry.
John Jessen
328 HS / Elevators
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
> We do not have a cover yet. Did anything happen with the guy on this
> list who was going to look into getting a kit put together? We would
> really like to get a cover, but would still like to be in a hangar
whenever possible.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F:815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Hey, Jesse, have you guys ordered a canopy cover for your airplane? : )
TDT
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Thanks, James, for your help.
Our plane will also be in Louisville, KY from Monday through the following
Monday. Does anybody have an empty hangar up in that area that we could
park in?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F:815-377-3694
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" <mike@cleavelandtool.com>
Sounds interesting. Will yours be for hangaring outside as well as travel?
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Covers
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Mike's will be professionally made, which is great. What I'm putting
together is a kit, like the old Frost Line kits that you used to make down
jackets from. It will contain the material, accessories, thread, etc.
It'll be for the person who wants to do every little bit himself or herself,
and save a few bucks.
John Jessen
328 HS / Elevators
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Lauritsen -
Work
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lauritsen - Work"
--> <mike@cleavelandtool.com>
We have the cover designed and are waiting for the first prototype from the
factory. I would guess we will have it mid November, then the first covers
for sale around the first of the year. They will be like the rest of our
covers and for travel only not for continued storage. They are very
lightweight and completely waterproof.
I am keeping a list of people interested, if you would like on that list,
please send me an email privately at mike@cleavelandtool.com
Thanks,
Mike
Mike Lauritsen
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
2225 First St.
Boone, Iowa 50036
515-432-6794
mike@cleavelandtool.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Who needs to measure my plane? Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
That was me. My seamstress got overwhelmed in her day job and has yet to do
the measurements on Randy's plane. We won't be ready for about a month, but
do plan on making the kits available. Probably best to spend full fare if
you want them in a hurry.
John Jessen
328 HS / Elevators
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
> We do not have a cover yet. Did anything happen with the guy on this
> list who was going to look into getting a kit put together? We would
> really like to get a cover, but would still like to be in a hangar
whenever possible.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F:815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Hey, Jesse, have you guys ordered a canopy cover for your airplane? : )
TDT
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Thanks, James, for your help.
Our plane will also be in Louisville, KY from Monday through the following
Monday. Does anybody have an empty hangar up in that area that we could
park in?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F:815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Cleaveland Covers |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Estimated price?
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Lauritsen -
Work
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lauritsen - Work"
<mike@cleavelandtool.com>
We have the cover designed and are waiting for the first prototype from the
factory. I would guess we will have it mid November, then the first covers
for sale around the first of the year. They will be like the rest of our
covers and for travel only not for continued storage. They are very
lightweight and completely waterproof.
I am keeping a list of people interested, if you would like on that list,
please send me an email privately at mike@cleavelandtool.com
Thanks,
Mike
Mike Lauritsen
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
2225 First St.
Boone, Iowa 50036
515-432-6794
mike@cleavelandtool.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Who needs to measure my plane? Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
That was me. My seamstress got overwhelmed in her day job and has yet to do
the measurements on Randy's plane. We won't be ready for about a month, but
do plan on making the kits available. Probably best to spend full fare if
you want them in a hurry.
John Jessen
328 HS / Elevators
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
> We do not have a cover yet. Did anything happen with the guy on this
> list who was going to look into getting a kit put together? We would
> really like to get a cover, but would still like to be in a hangar
whenever possible.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F:815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Hey, Jesse, have you guys ordered a canopy cover for your airplane? : )
TDT
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Louisville, KY
Thanks, James, for your help.
Our plane will also be in Louisville, KY from Monday through the following
Monday. Does anybody have an empty hangar up in that area that we could
park in?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F:815-377-3694
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| Subject: | TruTrak DII VSG Harness |
Is anybody in need of a wiring harness for a TruTrak Digiflight II? I think
all of their two servo harnesses are the same, but I don't know for sure.
This one was specifically for a Digiflight II VSG, but the item on the
invoice from TruTrak was just Two-Servo wiring harness and it was for the
RV-10, so it should fit all of them. I have it coming from Stein for a guy
who had ordered the whole Autopilot from me, but he cancelled and the
harness had already shipped. I will let it go at dealer cost if somebody
wants it, or I can just return it to TruTrak. Let me know off the list.
$161.50 + shipping
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: TruTrak Roll Servo Update |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Just dropping a note to say Stein is "excellent" in regards to customer
service. He's taking care of this for me. It's refreshing to find a
company that provides this level of service.
-Sean #40303
do not archive
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> Roll servo should have had the pushrod.
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:52 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: TruTrak Roll Servo Update
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> When I got my Servo from Stein, it did not have the pushrod. I assume
> this is part of the Van's supplied hardware in the wing kit that I
> haven't gotten to yet? If so, the new piece wouldn't be in my wing
> kit so I'd have to get one of those?
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> Larry Rosen wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
> >
> > When I spoke with TruTrak, I warned them that when I post the new
> > bracket to the RV-10 group they will get a lot of requests. Their
> > response was that there were not that many kits out there. I don't
> > think they would automatically send out the modified bracket and push
> > rod. If you have not yet installed the servo, I would wait until you
> > have the new bracket.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> >
> >> Before the flurry of emails start, I sent an email to Trutrak asking
> >> them if the existing roll servos will be updated. I'll let you know
> >> what I hear unless Stein or someone in the know, knows.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >> Do not archive
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
> >> Rosen
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:26 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RV10-List: TruTrak Roll Servo Update
> >>
> >> TruTrak has modified the installation of the Roll Servo for the 10.
> >> Instead of the push-rod connecting to the bell crank, there is a
> >> bracket that attaches to the bell crank, and then the push-rod
> >> connects to the bracket. The new push rod is shorter. Also, you will
> >> need an AN3-15A bolt. According to TruTrak this modification was
> >> made to improve the torque characteristics of the servo.
> >> Fortunately, if you installed the servo the old way, the new bracket
> >> will utilize the hold you already drilled in the bellcrank assembly.
> >> Attached is a photo of the new installation.
> >>
> >> Larry Rosen
> >> #356
> >> Installing roll servo
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
> ====================================
> RV10-List Email Forum -
> more:
> bsp;
> ====================================
>
>
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| Subject: | Door Warning Light Kit |
For those who are interested in the door warning light kit that Van's has
been sending out, you might be interested in this letter I just got from
them (which some of you have probably already gotten as well).
"You recently receive a door warninig light kit. The two relays that were
supplied.are incorrect to wire the system. We are in the process of
obtaining the correct relays and will contact you when these parts or an
alternative 'fix' are available...."
I talked to them and said that I got the letter but had never received the
kit. They said that I shouldn't worry about it because the kits they sent
out weren't going to work anyway, and they would send out a new kit when
they get it figured out.
FYI
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any
information as to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or
structural strength or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated
anything such as turbocharging that might put a little more weight up
front, and make maintaining indicated airspeed up into the flight levels,
thus increasing TAS by 20-30% Or any other aerodynamic mods that might
make the RV-10 faster?
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| Subject: | Door Warning Light Kit |
Does anyone know if that kit wires a sensor/switch to both door pins or
just one?
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Door Warning Light Kit
For those who are interested in the door warning light kit that Van's
has been sending out, you might be interested in this letter I just got
from them (which some of you have probably already gotten as well).
"You recently receive a door warninig light kit. The two relays that
were supplied...are incorrect to wire the system... We are in the
process of obtaining the correct relays and will contact you when these
parts or an alternative 'fix' are available...."
I talked to them and said that I got the letter but had never received
the kit. They said that I shouldn't worry about it because the kits
they sent out weren't going to work anyway, and they would send out a
new kit when they get it figured out.
FYI
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Horsepower and Speed limits |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Nose heavy as it is. Best be putting the dog in the luggage compartment.
John
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any information
as to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or structural
strength or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated anything such as
turbocharging that might put a little more weight up front, and make
maintaining indicated airspeed up into the flight levels, thus increasing
TAS by 20-30% Or any other aerodynamic mods that might make the RV-10
faster?
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| Subject: | Door Warning Light Kit |
I think it wires both pins on both doors, 4 total sensors.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Warning Light Kit
Does anyone know if that kit wires a sensor/switch to both door pins or just
one?
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Door Warning Light Kit
For those who are interested in the door warning light kit that Van's has
been sending out, you might be interested in this letter I just got from
them (which some of you have probably already gotten as well).
"You recently receive a door warninig light kit. The two relays that were
supplied.are incorrect to wire the system. We are in the process of
obtaining the correct relays and will contact you when these parts or an
alternative 'fix' are available...."
I talked to them and said that I got the letter but had never received the
kit. They said that I shouldn't worry about it because the kits they sent
out weren't going to work anyway, and they would send out a new kit when
they get it figured out.
FYI
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Horsepower and Speed limits |
Couple of things here. I considered turbo normalizing but, besides the $$ & complexity,
the additional weight up front would require even more weight in the
back. The -10 is nose heavy and usually requires ballast in the back, so more
weight up front will make the problem even more noticeable. I'm building a
"hat shelf" right behind the rear bulkhead cover that will give me a little more
aft CG point so I won't need as much ballast plus I get more storage.
I chatted with Sam James briefly at OSH (he makes the "Holy Cowl" that adds up
to 10mph) and he had said that he was going to do something for the -10. I
just sent him an email to see if that has progressed as his site doesn't mention
anything. Odds are he needs access to a completed 10 for a while and there
just isn't enough complete yet.
If you really want to get speed out, you need to probably look at an alternative
engine that is either lighter at the same HP or weighs the same but put's
out a lot more HP. Unfortunately you rapidly start hitting diminishing returns
when it comes to HP. You will get the most increase out of aerodynamic enhancements
and weight reduction.
Personally I'm not comfortable exceeding the 211 number by too much until we
get more hours on the fleet. Supposedly the flutter margin is very good. If
it's 20% you can hit 250mph before things shake off. If I understand other speedsters
correctly they usually beef up control surfaces to increase the magic
number at which the plane shakes like a wet dog. Problem with flutter is it
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any information as
to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or structural strength
or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated anything such as turbocharging
that might put a little more weight up front, and make maintaining indicated
airspeed up into the flight levels, thus increasing TAS by 20-30% Or any other
aerodynamic mods that might make the RV-10 faster?
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| Subject: | Horsepower and Speed limits |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
That is what I suspected, especially looking at the numbers for the
Cont.IO-360 version, that I assume Vans has never actually offered a FWF
kit for. I suppose some of the weight issue could be solved with an MT
composite prop, as they tend to run 12-14lbs lighter than 2 blade
Hartzells.
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) said:
> Couple of things here. I considered turbo normalizing but, besides the
> $$ & complexity, the additional weight up front would require even more
> weight in the back. The -10 is nose heavy and usually requires ballast
> in the back, so more weight up front will make the problem even more
> noticeable. I'm building a "hat shelf" right behind the rear bulkhead
> cover that will give me a little more aft CG point so I won't need as
> much ballast plus I get more storage.
>
> I chatted with Sam James briefly at OSH (he makes the "Holy Cowl" that
> adds up to 10mph) and he had said that he was going to do something for
> the -10. I just sent him an email to see if that has progressed as his
> site doesn't mention anything. Odds are he needs access to a completed
> 10 for a while and there just isn't enough complete yet.
>
> If you really want to get speed out, you need to probably look at an
> alternative engine that is either lighter at the same HP or weighs the
> same but put's out a lot more HP. Unfortunately you rapidly start
> hitting diminishing returns when it comes to HP. You will get the most
> increase out of aerodynamic enhancements and weight reduction.
>
> Personally I'm not comfortable exceeding the 211 number by too much
> until we get more hours on the fleet. Supposedly the flutter margin is
> very good. If it's 20% you can hit 250mph before things shake off. If
> I understand other speedsters correctly they usually beef up control
> surfaces to increase the magic number at which the plane shakes like a
> wet dog. Problem with flutter is it
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:10 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
>
> While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any
> information as to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or
> structural strength or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated
> anything such as turbocharging that might put a little more weight up
> front, and make maintaining indicated airspeed up into the flight levels,
> thus increasing TAS by 20-30% Or any other aerodynamic mods that might
> make the RV-10 faster?
>
>
> ============================================================
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| Subject: | Horsepower and Speed limits |
Hmm, think my brain fluttered below and I hit send. :-)
Anyway, the problem with flutter is it can be instantaneous and catastrophic.
Not an envelope I care to explore if at all possible.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Waiting on fuse/odds and ends
do not archive
________________________________
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Couple of things here. I considered turbo normalizing but, besides the $$ & complexity,
the additional weight up front would require even more weight in the
back. The -10 is nose heavy and usually requires ballast in the back, so more
weight up front will make the problem even more noticeable. I'm building a
"hat shelf" right behind the rear bulkhead cover that will give me a little more
aft CG point so I won't need as much ballast plus I get more storage.
I chatted with Sam James briefly at OSH (he makes the "Holy Cowl" that adds up
to 10mph) and he had said that he was going to do something for the -10. I
just sent him an email to see if that has progressed as his site doesn't mention
anything. Odds are he needs access to a completed 10 for a while and there
just isn't enough complete yet.
If you really want to get speed out, you need to probably look at an alternative
engine that is either lighter at the same HP or weighs the same but put's
out a lot more HP. Unfortunately you rapidly start hitting diminishing returns
when it comes to HP. You will get the most increase out of aerodynamic enhancements
and weight reduction.
Personally I'm not comfortable exceeding the 211 number by too much until we
get more hours on the fleet. Supposedly the flutter margin is very good. If
it's 20% you can hit 250mph before things shake off. If I understand other speedsters
correctly they usually beef up control surfaces to increase the magic
number at which the plane shakes like a wet dog. Problem with flutter is it
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any information as
to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or structural strength
or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated anything such as turbocharging
that might put a little more weight up front, and make maintaining indicated
airspeed up into the flight levels, thus increasing TAS by 20-30% Or any other
aerodynamic mods that might make the RV-10 faster?
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| Subject: | Horsepower and Speed limits |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I would say that this is a very hard question to answer. Van's would say
that the airframe is engineered for 260HP and if you put more HP or more
weight up there, you would have to re-engineer the whole plane. They would
say that it is for both of the reasons mentioned and several others. The
way I see this is that they have designed a kit (and a very good one at
that) and they are paying product liability insurance on a product that
could potentially have enormous liability, so they have made their numbers
conservative and won't budge from them. They will not condone any IFR
flying, they will not condone alternative engines, they will not condone tip
tanks or extended range tanks. They have designed a plane the way they
think it should be, period. You are the builder and can do whatever you
want to with your plane, but if you make changes and crash, they will say,
"We told you not to put that engine on there." If you build the plane
exactly like they say to build it and fly the way they say to fly and a wing
of the engine fall off, they are much more liable, since they made the parts
and told you this is the way it is supposed to be. I am sure there is also
a bit of pride in the design mixed in there as well.
As far as have people contemplated mods like turbos, I would have to respond
that there are probably very few people who have not contemplated some of
these things, although most look at the space in the cowling and all of the
work and cost that it would involve to make a new engine mount or cowling
and start really liking the idea of the O/IO-540. I personally really liked
the idea of an Innodyn turbine, but I was at Oshkosh this year and saw
several hundred RV's with the suggested engines and not one running an
Innodyn turbine. That's enough for me. When I go there and see 15 planes
flying Innodyn's and building time with the actual fuel burns and
performance numbers that they claim, then I would start to consider it.
One mod that we have been saying from the beginning that Van should have
incorporated into the plans is more fuel. 60 gallons will only last 4:15
plus reserve when you are burning 12gph and cruising at 200mph. That is
only 850 miles of range. Dallas is 920 miles from here (more or less), and
it sure would be nice to make it there without stopping. Well, our plane
just flew (took off at gross weight) from Dallas to X35 a week or two ago
and had 14 gallons left in the standard tanks when it landed, and the pilot
had a Gatorade jug that was partially full, but the label didn't say Lemon
Lime, which it sure looked like it should have from the stuff that was in
there. We have determined that the fuel tanks will outlast the bladders and
back sides of the passengers, so we dropped the idea of extended range
tanks.
We were liking the idea of a turbo also, which would allow us to fly at
15,000 to 18,000 feet and keep the speeds up. Well, we regularly fly at or
above 15,000 and I wouldn't trade 6.5-7gph fuel burns for an additional 15
knots at 10gph any day, especially with the current fuel prices, not to
mention the additional cost of the turbo initially or the added maintenance.
It may sound like I am working for Van's. I am not. In fact, they are
working for me. I wanted a plane that would take me, 3 friends and our bags
from central Florida to Chicago non-stop and not cost any more than it would
cost to drive it. They said they could do that and they did it. That's
what I call service!
Do I think that the RV-10 is the perfect plane? NO!
Do I think that it would be foolish to try to improve the design? NO!
Do I think that somebody could put a turbocharged 540 in this thing and
improve it? Probably so!
Would I modify mine to incorporate that option? Show me some numbers and
maybe I will!
Has anybody ever substantially improved or modified a Van's design and
proven that it is reliable and safe? His name is John Harmon and the number
of Rockets that end up on the Reno Air Race winners lists are impressive!
(I apologize to others who may fit this bill, but it is hard to beat John
Harmon in numbers of success stories here.)
What do I think of your idea of turbocharging or turbo-normalizing the
RV-10? Well, I don't think I want to fly much higher than 18,000 on a
regular basis, so that option is out. I do like the possibility of going
20-30% faster at 18,000 feet, but at what cost?
Do I think you should try it? ABSOLUTELY! So many people have toyed with
that idea but nobody yet has the.....guts.....to do it (except maybe N325HP,
but nobody seems to be able to get any information on that guy or what
engine he's running). If you can come up with an RV-10 rocket and prove
that it is faster, better or sweeter than the RV-10, you may just have a
bunch of people knocking on your door to get your plans.
In reply to John's comments in his reply that I just read (I certainly did
not intend to write a book here), I could certainly see the benefit of
another 100lbs on the nose. Every flight we load this thing at the aft CG
and if the pilot isn't careful when he gets in, he will hit his tail on the
ground when he puts his weight on the step. As a matter of fact, a nice mod
might be to find a way to get the main gear a couple of inches further back
to help this. At least one person needs to be in the front seat before
people get in the back seat (if the luggage are is at max weight) or it will
sit on its tail, which will hit the tie-down ring if you are on a flat hard
surface, but take out your tail light if you are on uneven ground or in the
grass (ask me how I know). Yes, this thing is nose heavy when you have full
fuel and a pilot, but it is much easier, in my opinion, to add ballast in
the back when you are light than it is to make the nose heavier when you are
heavy.
I can't think of any aerodynamic mods that would make much of a difference.
Retractable gear is out, and wouldn't even help much. I am not an expert at
aerodynamics, but short of going plastic, I think this thing is probably
pretty close to as aerodynamic as you can make it. Please prove me wrong,
because who would argue with another 5 knots if it can be done easily?
Well, I am not trying to pick on you. In fact, this whole "book" is just my
thoughts to myself on all of the possible improvements that we initially
thought would be a good idea and have since learned that we probably
wouldn't have gone with even if somebody had done it that way already and it
worked.
Also, if you can find a way to make this a 275mph bird like the rocket, I
think you will have a lot of people calling you to ask you questions for
their articles in all of the popular flying magazines. I would love to see
that happen! Before you get too far, however, you might try calling John
Harmon and ask him how much work it was to do redesign the -4 and -8. It
would be no easy task.
Another comment on Innodyn, who I would love to see get a -10 flying with
their 255HP unit. I think they need to get a production engine flying
before they try to get everybody convinced that theirs is the answer to
everybody's engine problems.
DO NOT ARCHIVE for server storage space reasons! :-)
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any
information as to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or
structural strength or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated
anything such as turbocharging that might put a little more weight up
front, and make maintaining indicated airspeed up into the flight levels,
thus increasing TAS by 20-30% Or any other aerodynamic mods that might
make the RV-10 faster?
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| Subject: | Horsepower and Speed limits |
May I please suggest that you not do too much to commit yourself to more
weight in the tail before you have flown the thing? The last thing want in
our plane is more weight in the tail, at least the way we fly it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Couple of things here. I considered turbo normalizing but, besides the $$
& complexity, the additional weight up front would require even more weight
in the back. The -10 is nose heavy and usually requires ballast in the
back, so more weight up front will make the problem even more noticeable.
I'm building a "hat shelf" right behind the rear bulkhead cover that will
give me a little more aft CG point so I won't need as much ballast plus I
get more storage.
I chatted with Sam James briefly at OSH (he makes the "Holy Cowl" that
adds up to 10mph) and he had said that he was going to do something for the
-10. I just sent him an email to see if that has progressed as his site
doesn't mention anything. Odds are he needs access to a completed 10 for a
while and there just isn't enough complete yet.
If you really want to get speed out, you need to probably look at an
alternative engine that is either lighter at the same HP or weighs the same
but put's out a lot more HP. Unfortunately you rapidly start hitting
diminishing returns when it comes to HP. You will get the most increase out
of aerodynamic enhancements and weight reduction.
Personally I'm not comfortable exceeding the 211 number by too much until
we get more hours on the fleet. Supposedly the flutter margin is very good.
If it's 20% you can hit 250mph before things shake off. If I understand
other speedsters correctly they usually beef up control surfaces to increase
the magic number at which the plane shakes like a wet dog. Problem with
flutter is it
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any information
as to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or structural
strength or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated anything such as
turbocharging that might put a little more weight up front, and make
maintaining indicated airspeed up into the flight levels, thus increasing
TAS by 20-30% Or any other aerodynamic mods that might make the RV-10
faster?
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Has anyone considered an Innodyn turbine for the RV-10
(http://www.innodyn.com)?
Pierre Levy
(505) 982-5929 (w)
(505) 672-1121 (h)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
May I please suggest that you not do too much to commit yourself to more
weight in the tail before you have flown the thing? The last thing want
in our plane is more weight in the tail, at least the way we fly it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Couple of things here. I considered turbo normalizing but, besides the
$$ & complexity, the additional weight up front would require even more
weight in the back. The -10 is nose heavy and usually requires ballast
in the back, so more weight up front will make the problem even more
noticeable. I'm building a "hat shelf" right behind the rear bulkhead
cover that will give me a little more aft CG point so I won't need as
much ballast plus I get more storage.
I chatted with Sam James briefly at OSH (he makes the "Holy Cowl" that
adds up to 10mph) and he had said that he was going to do something for
the -10. I just sent him an email to see if that has progressed as his
site doesn't mention anything. Odds are he needs access to a completed
10 for a while and there just isn't enough complete yet.
If you really want to get speed out, you need to probably look at an
alternative engine that is either lighter at the same HP or weighs the
same but put's out a lot more HP. Unfortunately you rapidly start
hitting diminishing returns when it comes to HP. You will get the most
increase out of aerodynamic enhancements and weight reduction.
Personally I'm not comfortable exceeding the 211 number by too much
until we get more hours on the fleet. Supposedly the flutter margin is
very good. If it's 20% you can hit 250mph before things shake off. If
I understand other speedsters correctly they usually beef up control
surfaces to increase the magic number at which the plane shakes like a
wet dog. Problem with flutter is it
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any
information as to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or
structural strength or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated
anything such as turbocharging that might put a little more weight up
front, and make maintaining indicated airspeed up into the flight
levels, thus increasing TAS by 20-30% Or any other aerodynamic mods
that might make the RV-10 faster?
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
I have chosen to go with the MT 3 Blade prop designed for the 10. I don't
expect to have it flying until April or May and will post numbers at such
time.
Russ Daves
#40044 - Fuselage on main gear
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
>
> That is what I suspected, especially looking at the numbers for the
> Cont.IO-360 version, that I assume Vans has never actually offered a FWF
> kit for. I suppose some of the weight issue could be solved with an MT
> composite prop, as they tend to run 12-14lbs lighter than 2 blade
> Hartzells.
>
> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) said:
>> Couple of things here. I considered turbo normalizing but, besides the
>> $$ & complexity, the additional weight up front would require even more
>> weight in the back. The -10 is nose heavy and usually requires ballast
>> in the back, so more weight up front will make the problem even more
>> noticeable. I'm building a "hat shelf" right behind the rear bulkhead
>> cover that will give me a little more aft CG point so I won't need as
>> much ballast plus I get more storage.
>>
>> I chatted with Sam James briefly at OSH (he makes the "Holy Cowl" that
>> adds up to 10mph) and he had said that he was going to do something for
>> the -10. I just sent him an email to see if that has progressed as his
>> site doesn't mention anything. Odds are he needs access to a completed
>> 10 for a while and there just isn't enough complete yet.
>>
>> If you really want to get speed out, you need to probably look at an
>> alternative engine that is either lighter at the same HP or weighs the
>> same but put's out a lot more HP. Unfortunately you rapidly start
>> hitting diminishing returns when it comes to HP. You will get the most
>> increase out of aerodynamic enhancements and weight reduction.
>>
>> Personally I'm not comfortable exceeding the 211 number by too much
>> until we get more hours on the fleet. Supposedly the flutter margin is
>> very good. If it's 20% you can hit 250mph before things shake off. If
>> I understand other speedsters correctly they usually beef up control
>> surfaces to increase the magic number at which the plane shakes like a
>> wet dog. Problem with flutter is it
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
>> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:10 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
>>
>> While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any
>> information as to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or
>> structural strength or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated
>> anything such as turbocharging that might put a little more weight up
>> front, and make maintaining indicated airspeed up into the flight levels,
>> thus increasing TAS by 20-30% Or any other aerodynamic mods that might
>> make the RV-10 faster?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ============================================================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Horsepower and Speed limits |
Nope, nobody has discussed that at all. Is it something new? : )
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pierre Levy
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Has anyone considered an Innodyn turbine for the RV-10
(http://www.innodyn.com)?
Pierre Levy
(505) 982-5929 (w)
(505) 672-1121 (h)
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
May I please suggest that you not do too much to commit yourself to more
weight in the tail before you have flown the thing? The last thing want
in our plane is more weight in the tail, at least the way we fly it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Couple of things here. I considered turbo normalizing but, besides the
$$ & complexity, the additional weight up front would require even more
weight in the back. The -10 is nose heavy and usually requires ballast
in the back, so more weight up front will make the problem even more
noticeable. I'm building a "hat shelf" right behind the rear bulkhead
cover that will give me a little more aft CG point so I won't need as
much ballast plus I get more storage.
I chatted with Sam James briefly at OSH (he makes the "Holy Cowl" that
adds up to 10mph) and he had said that he was going to do something for
the -10. I just sent him an email to see if that has progressed as his
site doesn't mention anything. Odds are he needs access to a completed
10 for a while and there just isn't enough complete yet.
If you really want to get speed out, you need to probably look at an
alternative engine that is either lighter at the same HP or weighs the
same but put's out a lot more HP. Unfortunately you rapidly start
hitting diminishing returns when it comes to HP. You will get the most
increase out of aerodynamic enhancements and weight reduction.
Personally I'm not comfortable exceeding the 211 number by too much
until we get more hours on the fleet. Supposedly the flutter margin is
very good. If it's 20% you can hit 250mph before things shake off. If
I understand other speedsters correctly they usually beef up control
surfaces to increase the magic number at which the plane shakes like a
wet dog. Problem with flutter is it
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any
information as to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or
structural strength or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated
anything such as turbocharging that might put a little more weight up
front, and make maintaining indicated airspeed up into the flight
levels, thus increasing TAS by 20-30% Or any other aerodynamic mods
that might make the RV-10 faster?
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| Subject: | Horsepower and Speed limits |
Pierre,
I mentioned the Innodyn engine in my "book" post earlier. It is in two
separate paragraphs, one towards the middle and another towards the bottom.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pierre Levy
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Has anyone considered an Innodyn turbine for the RV-10
(http://www.innodyn.com)?
Pierre Levy
(505) 982-5929 (w)
(505) 672-1121 (h)
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
May I please suggest that you not do too much to commit yourself to more
weight in the tail before you have flown the thing? The last thing want in
our plane is more weight in the tail, at least the way we fly it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Couple of things here. I considered turbo normalizing but, besides the $$
& complexity, the additional weight up front would require even more weight
in the back. The -10 is nose heavy and usually requires ballast in the
back, so more weight up front will make the problem even more noticeable.
I'm building a "hat shelf" right behind the rear bulkhead cover that will
give me a little more aft CG point so I won't need as much ballast plus I
get more storage.
I chatted with Sam James briefly at OSH (he makes the "Holy Cowl" that
adds up to 10mph) and he had said that he was going to do something for the
-10. I just sent him an email to see if that has progressed as his site
doesn't mention anything. Odds are he needs access to a completed 10 for a
while and there just isn't enough complete yet.
If you really want to get speed out, you need to probably look at an
alternative engine that is either lighter at the same HP or weighs the same
but put's out a lot more HP. Unfortunately you rapidly start hitting
diminishing returns when it comes to HP. You will get the most increase out
of aerodynamic enhancements and weight reduction.
Personally I'm not comfortable exceeding the 211 number by too much until
we get more hours on the fleet. Supposedly the flutter margin is very good.
If it's 20% you can hit 250mph before things shake off. If I understand
other speedsters correctly they usually beef up control surfaces to increase
the magic number at which the plane shakes like a wet dog. Problem with
flutter is it
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any information
as to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or structural
strength or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated anything such as
turbocharging that might put a little more weight up front, and make
maintaining indicated airspeed up into the flight levels, thus increasing
TAS by 20-30% Or any other aerodynamic mods that might make the RV-10
faster?
====================================
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| Subject: | Re: Door Warning Light Kit |
I have the kit it consists of 4 proximity switch that are normally open and magnets
that cause the switch to close when within .8". there are two red LEDs and
an automotive set of relays which were supposed to reverse the switches so that
when the doors were open the red lights would be on. My notice said that the
relays as supplied would not work as expected so that we wait for another solution.
Two switches were to be wired in series for each door.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Dawson-Townsend
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Warning Light Kit
Does anyone know if that kit wires a sensor/switch to both door pins or just
one?
TDT
40025
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:55 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Door Warning Light Kit
For those who are interested in the door warning light kit that Van's has been
sending out, you might be interested in this letter I just got from them (which
some of you have probably already gotten as well).
"You recently receive a door warninig light kit. The two relays that were supplied.are
incorrect to wire the system. We are in the process of obtaining the
correct relays and will contact you when these parts or an alternative 'fix'
are available...."
I talked to them and said that I got the letter but had never received the kit.
They said that I shouldn't worry about it because the kits they sent out weren't
going to work anyway, and they would send out a new kit when they get it
figured out.
FYI
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Horsepower and Speed limits |
Jesse,
Whoa there, I'm not putting more weight in the tail. I have built a storage
compartment (maybe 2lbs in materials) in the back of the aircraft that could also
be used as a more rear ward point for ballast IF needed. The farther back
you can get ballast the less you need. While your ship may be a workhorse that
fly's mostly loaded out near gross, many of us won't and we will need some
form of ballast so we don't run out of elevator authority in a landing.
Michael
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________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
May I please suggest that you not do too much to commit yourself to more weight
in the tail before you have flown the thing? The last thing want in our plane
is more weight in the tail, at least the way we fly it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Couple of things here. I considered turbo normalizing but, besides the $$ & complexity,
the additional weight up front would require even more weight in the
back. The -10 is nose heavy and usually requires ballast in the back, so more
weight up front will make the problem even more noticeable. I'm building a
"hat shelf" right behind the rear bulkhead cover that will give me a little more
aft CG point so I won't need as much ballast plus I get more storage.
I chatted with Sam James briefly at OSH (he makes the "Holy Cowl" that adds up
to 10mph) and he had said that he was going to do something for the -10. I
just sent him an email to see if that has progressed as his site doesn't mention
anything. Odds are he needs access to a completed 10 for a while and there
just isn't enough complete yet.
If you really want to get speed out, you need to probably look at an alternative
engine that is either lighter at the same HP or weighs the same but put's
out a lot more HP. Unfortunately you rapidly start hitting diminishing returns
when it comes to HP. You will get the most increase out of aerodynamic enhancements
and weight reduction.
Personally I'm not comfortable exceeding the 211 number by too much until we
get more hours on the fleet. Supposedly the flutter margin is very good. If
it's 20% you can hit 250mph before things shake off. If I understand other speedsters
correctly they usually beef up control surfaces to increase the magic
number at which the plane shakes like a wet dog. Problem with flutter is it
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any information as
to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or structural strength
or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated anything such as turbocharging
that might put a little more weight up front, and make maintaining indicated
airspeed up into the flight levels, thus increasing TAS by 20-30% Or any other
aerodynamic mods that might make the RV-10 faster?
RV10-List Email Forum -
more:
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| Subject: | Alternate intake air kit |
Unsolicited Alternate intake air kit arrived today. Keeps the fan turning if the
normal air intake ices.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Warning Light Kit
For those who are interested in the door warning light kit that Van's has been
sending out, you might be interested in this letter I just got from them (which
some of you have probably already gotten as well).
"You recently receive a door warninig light kit. The two relays that were supplied.are
incorrect to wire the system. We are in the process of obtaining the
correct relays and will contact you when these parts or an alternative 'fix'
are available...."
I talked to them and said that I got the letter but had never received the kit.
They said that I shouldn't worry about it because the kits they sent out weren't
going to work anyway, and they would send out a new kit when they get it
figured out.
FYI
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Horsepower and Speed limits |
Yes, they aren't ready for prime time yet (my opinion). Not even shipping production
engines yet but they've been threatening to do so for years.
DO NOT ARCHIVE but check the archives.
:-)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pierre Levy
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Has anyone considered an Innodyn turbine for the RV-10 (http://www.innodyn.com)?
Pierre Levy
(505) 982-5929 (w)
(505) 672-1121 (h)
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
May I please suggest that you not do too much to commit yourself to more weight
in the tail before you have flown the thing? The last thing want in our plane
is more weight in the tail, at least the way we fly it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Couple of things here. I considered turbo normalizing but, besides the $$ & complexity,
the additional weight up front would require even more weight in the
back. The -10 is nose heavy and usually requires ballast in the back, so more
weight up front will make the problem even more noticeable. I'm building a
"hat shelf" right behind the rear bulkhead cover that will give me a little more
aft CG point so I won't need as much ballast plus I get more storage.
I chatted with Sam James briefly at OSH (he makes the "Holy Cowl" that adds up
to 10mph) and he had said that he was going to do something for the -10. I
just sent him an email to see if that has progressed as his site doesn't mention
anything. Odds are he needs access to a completed 10 for a while and there
just isn't enough complete yet.
If you really want to get speed out, you need to probably look at an alternative
engine that is either lighter at the same HP or weighs the same but put's
out a lot more HP. Unfortunately you rapidly start hitting diminishing returns
when it comes to HP. You will get the most increase out of aerodynamic enhancements
and weight reduction.
Personally I'm not comfortable exceeding the 211 number by too much until we
get more hours on the fleet. Supposedly the flutter margin is very good. If
it's 20% you can hit 250mph before things shake off. If I understand other speedsters
correctly they usually beef up control surfaces to increase the magic
number at which the plane shakes like a wet dog. Problem with flutter is it
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any information as
to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or structural strength
or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated anything such as turbocharging
that might put a little more weight up front, and make maintaining indicated
airspeed up into the flight levels, thus increasing TAS by 20-30% Or any other
aerodynamic mods that might make the RV-10 faster?
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| Subject: | Horsepower and Speed limits |
Which reminds me, have we ever heard back numbers on that comparison. Where's
Jim on that? Jim, got any numbers yet?
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
That is what I suspected, especially looking at the numbers for the Cont.IO-360
version, that I assume Vans has never actually offered a FWF kit for. I suppose
some of the weight issue could be solved with an MT composite prop, as they
tend to run 12-14lbs lighter than 2 blade Hartzells.
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) said:
> Couple of things here. I considered turbo normalizing but, besides
> the $$ & complexity, the additional weight up front would require even
> more weight in the back. The -10 is nose heavy and usually requires
> ballast in the back, so more weight up front will make the problem
> even more noticeable. I'm building a "hat shelf" right behind the
> rear bulkhead cover that will give me a little more aft CG point so I
> won't need as much ballast plus I get more storage.
>
> I chatted with Sam James briefly at OSH (he makes the "Holy Cowl"
> that adds up to 10mph) and he had said that he was going to do
> something for the -10. I just sent him an email to see if that has
> progressed as his site doesn't mention anything. Odds are he needs
> access to a completed 10 for a while and there just isn't enough complete yet.
>
> If you really want to get speed out, you need to probably look at an
> alternative engine that is either lighter at the same HP or weighs the
> same but put's out a lot more HP. Unfortunately you rapidly start
> hitting diminishing returns when it comes to HP. You will get the
> most increase out of aerodynamic enhancements and weight reduction.
>
> Personally I'm not comfortable exceeding the 211 number by too much
> until we get more hours on the fleet. Supposedly the flutter margin
> is very good. If it's 20% you can hit 250mph before things shake off.
> If I understand other speedsters correctly they usually beef up
> control surfaces to increase the magic number at which the plane
> shakes like a wet dog. Problem with flutter is it
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
> McMullen
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:10 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen"
> --> <kellym@aviating.com>
>
> While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any
> information as to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions
> or structural strength or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has
> contemplated anything such as turbocharging that might put a little
> more weight up front, and make maintaining indicated airspeed up into
> the flight levels, thus increasing TAS by 20-30% Or any other
> aerodynamic mods that might make the RV-10 faster?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Horsepower and Speed limits |
RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limitsHow many more years do you want to add
to the build? I investigated Crossflow and Innodyne and they may have something
someday but if you want to fly it by 2007 I suggest something somebody already
engineered.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Pierre Levy
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Has anyone considered an Innodyn turbine for the RV-10 (http://www.innodyn.com)?
Pierre Levy
(505) 982-5929 (w)
(505) 672-1121 (h)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:26 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
May I please suggest that you not do too much to commit yourself to more weight
in the tail before you have flown the thing? The last thing want in our plane
is more weight in the tail, at least the way we fly it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:56 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Couple of things here. I considered turbo normalizing but, besides the $$ &
complexity, the additional weight up front would require even more weight in
the back. The -10 is nose heavy and usually requires ballast in the back, so
more weight up front will make the problem even more noticeable. I'm building
a "hat shelf" right behind the rear bulkhead cover that will give me a little
more aft CG point so I won't need as much ballast plus I get more storage.
I chatted with Sam James briefly at OSH (he makes the "Holy Cowl" that adds
up to 10mph) and he had said that he was going to do something for the -10.
I just sent him an email to see if that has progressed as his site doesn't mention
anything. Odds are he needs access to a completed 10 for a while and there
just isn't enough complete yet.
If you really want to get speed out, you need to probably look at an alternative
engine that is either lighter at the same HP or weighs the same but put's
out a lot more HP. Unfortunately you rapidly start hitting diminishing returns
when it comes to HP. You will get the most increase out of aerodynamic enhancements
and weight reduction.
Personally I'm not comfortable exceeding the 211 number by too much until we
get more hours on the fleet. Supposedly the flutter margin is very good. If
it's 20% you can hit 250mph before things shake off. If I understand other
speedsters correctly they usually beef up control surfaces to increase the magic
number at which the plane shakes like a wet dog. Problem with flutter is it
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:10 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any information as
to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or structural strength
or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated anything such as turbocharging
that might put a little more weight up front, and make maintaining indicated
airspeed up into the flight levels, thus increasing TAS by 20-30% Or any
other aerodynamic mods that might make the RV-10 faster?
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| Subject: | Re: Innodyn Turbine |
In a message dated 11/3/05 5:35:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pierre@danieljofriel.com writes:
Has anyone considered an Innodyn turbine for the RV-10
I checked out their engine at OSH. They dont like to give hard data on
actual usage. Lots of anecdotal statements. They do a lot of talking about
gallons per horsepower, etc.... The new engine they have with 2 units running
one prop with a clutch in the middle offers some interesting ideas... fire up
both engines for climb, then shut one off for cruise and reduce fuel
consumption. My problem with them to date, is that they are willing to sell units
without published numbers to back them up. Expect fuel flow to be higher, and
the
number of parts to be lower, as well as TBO if all works well, to be pretty
good.
I asked a writer for Sport Aviation (in the EAA tent), why they havent
covered the engine yet in the magazine. His response was: We have an
obligation to our members to NOT infer something is good, until the data is present
to
support that. He went on to say they have been following developement for a
few years.... he was a bit guarded about their bringing a viable product to
market, but time will tell. If you are almost finsihed, go with a proven engine,
unless you are willing to do the testing for them... and pay the increased
fuel bill.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Steve
Stephen Blank RV-10 Builder / Cessna 170B flyer
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556 cell
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| Subject: | Horsepower and Speed limits |
Michael,
I'm with you. A compartment for ballast is a fantastic idea. I just hear a
lot of talk about putting an extra battery in the tail or putting the
battery further back in the tail that will be hard to adjust when flying
full. We actually thought of making a Aux Tank that would go in the baggage
area, which could also be used as ballast while not sacrificing fuel
quantity.
By the way, I've been enjoying following your progress on the KitLot
website.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Jesse,
Whoa there, I'm not putting more weight in the tail. I have built a
storage compartment (maybe 2lbs in materials) in the back of the aircraft
that could also be used as a more rear ward point for ballast IF needed.
The farther back you can get ballast the less you need. While your ship may
be a workhorse that fly's mostly loaded out near gross, many of us won't and
we will need some form of ballast so we don't run out of elevator authority
in a landing.
Michael
do not archive
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
May I please suggest that you not do too much to commit yourself to more
weight in the tail before you have flown the thing? The last thing want in
our plane is more weight in the tail, at least the way we fly it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Couple of things here. I considered turbo normalizing but, besides the $$
& complexity, the additional weight up front would require even more weight
in the back. The -10 is nose heavy and usually requires ballast in the
back, so more weight up front will make the problem even more noticeable.
I'm building a "hat shelf" right behind the rear bulkhead cover that will
give me a little more aft CG point so I won't need as much ballast plus I
get more storage.
I chatted with Sam James briefly at OSH (he makes the "Holy Cowl" that
adds up to 10mph) and he had said that he was going to do something for the
-10. I just sent him an email to see if that has progressed as his site
doesn't mention anything. Odds are he needs access to a completed 10 for a
while and there just isn't enough complete yet.
If you really want to get speed out, you need to probably look at an
alternative engine that is either lighter at the same HP or weighs the same
but put's out a lot more HP. Unfortunately you rapidly start hitting
diminishing returns when it comes to HP. You will get the most increase out
of aerodynamic enhancements and weight reduction.
Personally I'm not comfortable exceeding the 211 number by too much until
we get more hours on the fleet. Supposedly the flutter margin is very good.
If it's 20% you can hit 250mph before things shake off. If I understand
other speedsters correctly they usually beef up control surfaces to increase
the magic number at which the plane shakes like a wet dog. Problem with
flutter is it
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any information
as to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or structural
strength or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated anything such as
turbocharging that might put a little more weight up front, and make
maintaining indicated airspeed up into the flight levels, thus increasing
TAS by 20-30% Or any other aerodynamic mods that might make the RV-10
faster?
====================================
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "RAS" <deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com>
there are some issues with the MT prop blades de-laminating from the core on
a RV in the UK. The prop is running on a IO360. I haven't actually seen the
damage or spoken to the guy that has the problem, but it is a bit of a
downer if you spend the extra money........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
>
> I have chosen to go with the MT 3 Blade prop designed for the 10. I don't
> expect to have it flying until April or May and will post numbers at such
> time.
>
> Russ Daves
> #40044 - Fuselage on main gear
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:15 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
>>
>> That is what I suspected, especially looking at the numbers for the
>> Cont.IO-360 version, that I assume Vans has never actually offered a FWF
>> kit for. I suppose some of the weight issue could be solved with an MT
>> composite prop, as they tend to run 12-14lbs lighter than 2 blade
>> Hartzells.
>>
>> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) said:
>>> Couple of things here. I considered turbo normalizing but, besides the
>>> $$ & complexity, the additional weight up front would require even more
>>> weight in the back. The -10 is nose heavy and usually requires ballast
>>> in the back, so more weight up front will make the problem even more
>>> noticeable. I'm building a "hat shelf" right behind the rear bulkhead
>>> cover that will give me a little more aft CG point so I won't need as
>>> much ballast plus I get more storage.
>>>
>>> I chatted with Sam James briefly at OSH (he makes the "Holy Cowl" that
>>> adds up to 10mph) and he had said that he was going to do something for
>>> the -10. I just sent him an email to see if that has progressed as his
>>> site doesn't mention anything. Odds are he needs access to a completed
>>> 10 for a while and there just isn't enough complete yet.
>>>
>>> If you really want to get speed out, you need to probably look at an
>>> alternative engine that is either lighter at the same HP or weighs the
>>> same but put's out a lot more HP. Unfortunately you rapidly start
>>> hitting diminishing returns when it comes to HP. You will get the most
>>> increase out of aerodynamic enhancements and weight reduction.
>>>
>>> Personally I'm not comfortable exceeding the 211 number by too much
>>> until we get more hours on the fleet. Supposedly the flutter margin is
>>> very good. If it's 20% you can hit 250mph before things shake off. If
>>> I understand other speedsters correctly they usually beef up control
>>> surfaces to increase the magic number at which the plane shakes like a
>>> wet dog. Problem with flutter is it
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
>>> McMullen
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:10 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
>>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
>>>
>>> While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any
>>> information as to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or
>>> structural strength or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated
>>> anything such as turbocharging that might put a little more weight up
>>> front, and make maintaining indicated airspeed up into the flight
>>> levels,
>>> thus increasing TAS by 20-30% Or any other aerodynamic mods that might
>>> make the RV-10 faster?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ============================================================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Horsepower and Speed limits |
Glad someone is getting some use out of that site. :-) Paul needs to do a little
work making the site more builder specific friendly, rather than the whole
lot of builders, but it's nice and easy.
Incidentally, I heard back from Will James and they are in fact well under way
with a new cowl and plenum for the -10. The new cowl will use a larger 14" spinner.
He expects to have it in production after the first of the year. He now
has a link on their site with pictures. Looks good to me so far and I'll be
watching for them to begin selling. These are very popular on the other RV's
and can be spotted by the small round inlets. Based on previous products, I
will probably go with his cowl and scratch mine from Van's order.
http://www.jamesaircraft.com/RV-10_Plug.html
Michael
do not archive
________________________________
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Michael,
I'm with you. A compartment for ballast is a fantastic idea. I just hear a lot
of talk about putting an extra battery in the tail or putting the battery further
back in the tail that will be hard to adjust when flying full. We actually
thought of making a Aux Tank that would go in the baggage area, which could
also be used as ballast while not sacrificing fuel quantity.
By the way, I've been enjoying following your progress on the KitLot website.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Jesse,
Whoa there, I'm not putting more weight in the tail. I have built a storage
compartment (maybe 2lbs in materials) in the back of the aircraft that could also
be used as a more rear ward point for ballast IF needed. The farther back
you can get ballast the less you need. While your ship may be a workhorse that
fly's mostly loaded out near gross, many of us won't and we will need some
form of ballast so we don't run out of elevator authority in a landing.
Michael
do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
May I please suggest that you not do too much to commit yourself to more weight
in the tail before you have flown the thing? The last thing want in our plane
is more weight in the tail, at least the way we fly it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Couple of things here. I considered turbo normalizing but, besides the $$ & complexity,
the additional weight up front would require even more weight in the
back. The -10 is nose heavy and usually requires ballast in the back, so more
weight up front will make the problem even more noticeable. I'm building a
"hat shelf" right behind the rear bulkhead cover that will give me a little more
aft CG point so I won't need as much ballast plus I get more storage.
I chatted with Sam James briefly at OSH (he makes the "Holy Cowl" that adds up
to 10mph) and he had said that he was going to do something for the -10. I
just sent him an email to see if that has progressed as his site doesn't mention
anything. Odds are he needs access to a completed 10 for a while and there
just isn't enough complete yet.
If you really want to get speed out, you need to probably look at an alternative
engine that is either lighter at the same HP or weighs the same but put's
out a lot more HP. Unfortunately you rapidly start hitting diminishing returns
when it comes to HP. You will get the most increase out of aerodynamic enhancements
and weight reduction.
Personally I'm not comfortable exceeding the 211 number by too much until we
get more hours on the fleet. Supposedly the flutter margin is very good. If
it's 20% you can hit 250mph before things shake off. If I understand other speedsters
correctly they usually beef up control surfaces to increase the magic
number at which the plane shakes like a wet dog. Problem with flutter is it
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Subject: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
While Van's stated horsepower limit is well known, is there any information as
to whether it is based on potential speed restrictions or structural strength
or?? I'm wondering whether anyone has contemplated anything such as turbocharging
that might put a little more weight up front, and make maintaining indicated
airspeed up into the flight levels, thus increasing TAS by 20-30% Or any other
aerodynamic mods that might make the RV-10 faster?
RV10-List Email Forum -
more:
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| Subject: | Warped fiberglass intersection fairings (U-1019-L/R, U-1020-L/R) |
In my recently received finishing kit I noticed that my U-1019L/R and
U-1020L/R intersection fairings are significantly warped. They arrived
wrapped tightly together with plastic wrap. It looks like the plastic
wrap was too tight, and induced a bunch of permanent distortions in the
fairings (photos attached)... One of the 4 is just fine.
Have others found the same things in your finishing kits?
I'm inclined to send these back to Van's.
Tim
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 790 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
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U-1020-L/R)
| Subject: | Re: Warped fiberglass intersection fairings (U-1019-L/R, |
U-1020-L/R)
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Call Van's. They should replace them.
Tim Lewis wrote:
> In my recently received finishing kit I noticed that my U-1019L/R and
> U-1020L/R intersection fairings are significantly warped. They
> arrived wrapped tightly together with plastic wrap. It looks like the
> plastic wrap was too tight, and induced a bunch of permanent
> distortions in the fairings (photos attached)... One of the 4 is just
> fine.
>
> Have others found the same things in your finishing kits?
>
> I'm inclined to send these back to Van's.
>
> Tim
>
>
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I considered it but was unable to get any kind of performance numbers, and
there was a large group of us that were interested. It boiled down to the
simple fact that none of us believed they were even close to honest in the
fuel flow figures. We all vanished to other areas. I'm going to do a 20B
rotary. Bob k CELL 702 767-3587
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Innodyn Turbine
In a message dated 11/3/05 5:35:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pierre@danieljofriel.com writes:
Has anyone considered an Innodyn turbine for the RV-10
I checked out their engine at OSH. They dont like to give hard data on
actual usage. Lots of anecdotal statements. They do a lot of talking about
gallons per horsepower, etc.... The new engine they have with 2 units
running one prop with a clutch in the middle offers some interesting
ideas... fire up both engines for climb, then shut one off for cruise and
reduce fuel consumption. My problem with them to date, is that they are
willing to sell units without published numbers to back them up. Expect
fuel flow to be higher, and the number of parts to be lower, as well as TBO
if all works well, to be pretty good.
I asked a writer for Sport Aviation (in the EAA tent), why they havent
covered the engine yet in the magazine. His response was: We have an
obligation to our members to NOT infer something is good, until the data is
present to support that. He went on to say they have been following
developement for a few years.... he was a bit guarded about their bringing
a viable product to market, but time will tell. If you are almost finsihed,
go with a proven engine, unless you are willing to do the testing for
them... and pay the increased fuel bill.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Steve
Stephen Blank RV-10 Builder / Cessna 170B flyer
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556 cell
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RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limitsWill it require an extension on the hub,
if so there goes some more weight forward.
-Chris Lucas
#40072
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:37 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Horsepower and Speed limits
Glad someone is getting some use out of that site. :-) Paul needs to do a little
work making the site more builder specific friendly, rather than the whole
lot of builders, but it's nice and easy.
Incidentally, I heard back from Will James and they are in fact well under way
with a new cowl and plenum for the -10. The new cowl will use a larger 14"
spinner. He expects to have it in production after the first of the year. He
now has a link on their site with pictures. Looks good to me so far and I'll
be watching for them to begin selling. These are very popular on the other RV's
and can be spotted by the small round inlets. Based on previous products,
I will probably go with his cowl and scratch mine from Van's order.
http://www.jamesaircraft.com/RV-10_Plug.html
Michael
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Warped fiberglass intersection fairings (U-1019-L/R, U-1020-L/R) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris" <toaster73@earthlink.net>
Those are pathetic. I'd ask for a redo.
-Chris Lucas
#40072
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Lewis" <Tim_Lewis@msm.umr.edu>
Subject: RV10-List: Warped fiberglass intersection fairings (U-1019-L/R,
U-1020-L/R)
> In my recently received finishing kit I noticed that my U-1019L/R and
> U-1020L/R intersection fairings are significantly warped. They arrived
> wrapped tightly together with plastic wrap. It looks like the plastic
> wrap was too tight, and induced a bunch of permanent distortions in the
> fairings (photos attached)... One of the 4 is just fine.
>
> Have others found the same things in your finishing kits?
>
> I'm inclined to send these back to Van's.
>
> Tim
> --
> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> RV-6A N47TD -- 790 hrs
> RV-10 #40059 under construction
>
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| Subject: | TruTrak Roll Servo Update |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
FWIW, I called TruTrak today and they're going to send me updated parts
tomorrow.
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: Re: RV10-List: TruTrak Roll Servo Update
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Just dropping a note to say Stein is "excellent" in regards to customer
service. He's taking care of this for me. It's refreshing to find a
company that provides this level of service.
-Sean #40303
do not archive
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> Roll servo should have had the pushrod.
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean
Stephens
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:52 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: TruTrak Roll Servo Update
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> When I got my Servo from Stein, it did not have the pushrod. I assume
> this is part of the Van's supplied hardware in the wing kit that I
> haven't gotten to yet? If so, the new piece wouldn't be in my wing
> kit so I'd have to get one of those?
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> Larry Rosen wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen
<LarryRosen@comcast.net>
> >
> > When I spoke with TruTrak, I warned them that when I post the new
> > bracket to the RV-10 group they will get a lot of requests. Their
> > response was that there were not that many kits out there. I don't
> > think they would automatically send out the modified bracket and
push
> > rod. If you have not yet installed the servo, I would wait until you
> > have the new bracket.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> >
> >> Before the flurry of emails start, I sent an email to Trutrak
asking
> >> them if the existing roll servos will be updated. I'll let you
know
> >> what I hear unless Stein or someone in the know, knows.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >> Do not archive
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
> >> Rosen
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:26 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RV10-List: TruTrak Roll Servo Update
> >>
> >> TruTrak has modified the installation of the Roll Servo for the 10.
> >> Instead of the push-rod connecting to the bell crank, there is a
> >> bracket that attaches to the bell crank, and then the push-rod
> >> connects to the bracket. The new push rod is shorter. Also, you
will
> >> need an AN3-15A bolt. According to TruTrak this modification was
> >> made to improve the torque characteristics of the servo.
> >> Fortunately, if you installed the servo the old way, the new
bracket
> >> will utilize the hold you already drilled in the bellcrank
assembly.
> >> Attached is a photo of the new installation.
> >>
> >> Larry Rosen
> >> #356
> >> Installing roll servo
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Warning Light Kit |
I got the kit and the letter. The problem with the kit is that the lights would
be ON when the doors are closed. The letter also stated that, if you want,
you can replace the red lights with green ones, so that when the doors are closed
you get two green ones constantly ON.
Anh
#141
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Warning Light Kit
I have the kit it consists of 4 proximity switch that are normally open and magnets
that cause the switch to close when within .8". there are two red LEDs
and an automotive set of relays which were supposed to reverse the switches so
that when the doors were open the red lights would be on. My notice said that
the relays as supplied would not work as expected so that we wait for another
solution. Two switches were to be wired in series for each door.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Dawson-Townsend
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Warning Light Kit
Does anyone know if that kit wires a sensor/switch to both door pins or just
one?
TDT
40025
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:55 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Door Warning Light Kit
For those who are interested in the door warning light kit that Van's has been
sending out, you might be interested in this letter I just got from them (which
some of you have probably already gotten as well).
"You recently receive a door warninig light kit. The two relays that were
supplied.are incorrect to wire the system. We are in the process of obtaining
the correct relays and will contact you when these parts or an alternative 'fix'
are available...."
I talked to them and said that I got the letter but had never received the
kit. They said that I shouldn't worry about it because the kits they sent out
weren't going to work anyway, and they would send out a new kit when they get
it figured out.
FYI
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Door Warning Light Kit |
Ugh. Do it right. Make the lights come ON when there's a problem so it
gets your attention. I'm surprised they suggested that given all we know
these days about how the mind reacts to RED WARNING ON LIGHT vs.. a subdued
green light quietly going off. Don't accept this alternative. In fact,
didn't Rob Hickman say he was putting a audible warning in his product? Now
that and the lights would be great. It should be red light to green light,
if anything.
John Jessen
328 HS and Elevators
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Warning Light Kit
I got the kit and the letter. The problem with the kit is that the lights
would be ON when the doors are closed. The letter also stated that, if you
want, you can replace the red lights with green ones, so that when the doors
are closed you get two green ones constantly ON.
Anh
#141
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Warning Light Kit
I have the kit it consists of 4 proximity switch that are normally open and
magnets that cause the switch to close when within .8". there are two red
LEDs and an automotive set of relays which were supposed to reverse the
switches so that when the doors were open the red lights would be on. My
notice said that the relays as supplied would not work as expected so that
we wait for another solution. Two switches were to be wired in series for
each door.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim <mailto:Tdawson@avidyne.com> Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Warning Light Kit
Does anyone know if that kit wires a sensor/switch to both door pins or just
one?
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RV10-List: Door Warning Light Kit
For those who are interested in the door warning light kit that Van's has
been sending out, you might be interested in this letter I just got from
them (which some of you have probably already gotten as well).
"You recently receive a door warninig light kit. The two relays that were
supplied.are incorrect to wire the system. We are in the process of
obtaining the correct relays and will contact you when these parts or an
alternative 'fix' are available...."
I talked to them and said that I got the letter but had never received the
kit. They said that I shouldn't worry about it because the kits they sent
out weren't going to work anyway, and they would send out a new kit when
they get it figured out.
FYI
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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