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| Subject: | Holes vs Noise vs ventilation question |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
May I recomment Headsets, Inc.? The price is very competitive and the noise
cancellation is superb. They mainly offer retro-fit kits for other
headsets, but they have a version of their own. We are really happy with
ours.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Holes vs Noise vs ventilation question
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
I concur with your advice; I was talking with the IA who performed the
inspections on my C177RG. I took the sample package from B-quiet and
discussed the pros/cons. Your major concern should be whether the
soundproofing/insulation can attract/hold moisture. We also discussed the
advice of the interior repair station on the field. There advice: except for
the insulation on the firewall, the rest just adds weight, costs money and
creates potential for corrosion. Hence I will insulate the firewall interior
and use good noise canceling headsets.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Holes vs Noise vs ventilation question
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> Phil,
>
> Well, I have to admit that we were getting back seat passengers
> complaining
> of cold air coming in from the luggage area. We hadn't sealed the door
> yet,
> so we did so. They said it was still there. Then we realized that air
> was
> exiting from the hinge cavities around the door. We still haven't put the
> door seals on, but it is time for that. Air was being sucked from those
> areas and was being replaced by air from the back of the plane. I think
> it
> would be very hard to seal off completely, especially with the way the
> rudder hooks on and the gaps around the VS. We thought about sound
> insulation and just decided that it was much easier, cheaper and probably
> lighter to go with ANR headsets. Since we were going to be using ANR
> anyway, we decided that would be the way to go. The plane is loud with
> the
> headset off. It is quiet with the headset on. I imagine there is more
> noise from the 260 horsies than there is from the air around the little
> holes in the plane.
>
> In other words, I don't think I can offer any good advice on your question
> except to suggest that if you are going to try to soundproof the plane,
> you
> are going to be doing a lot of it. If you are going to be using ANR's
> anyway, then they will cut down on a little bit or a lot of noise, so take
> that as far as you want to.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil White
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:09 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Holes vs Noise vs ventilation question
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Phil White" <philwhite9@aol.com>
>
> I am working on the last half of the fuse, and notice that there are
> quite a few places where there are holes or gaps in either the outside
> skin or between cabin and empennage. Just put the baggage door on, and
> see a 1/4" by 1 inch gap where the longeron meets the door frame.
> Noticed that the rear baggage bulkhead has V stiffening corrugations,
> which form triangular openings between cabin and the rear of the plane
> which is fairly open to low pressure areas outside it. The bottom skin
> where cabin meets tail has several 1/8" gaps in the corners.
>
> Are these gaps something I need to seal to have a quiet plane at 200
> mph? Or are some openings desirable to allow ventilation and heating
> air to exit the cabin so new can enter? Should openings be limited to
> one, especially designed to give quiet air passage? If they should be
> sealed, what are you using? Foam rubber, glop, tape?
>
> What have you learned from flying one; Randy, Jesse, others?
>
> Phil #40220 in IL (fuse floors)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Holes vs Noise vs ventilation question |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I can second that recommendation. I tried a kit from ANR Headsets or
Headsets Inc, one of those 2...same kits. After trying it, I thought
the actual sound quality was better than my Dad's Lightspeeds. So,
I bought new or barely used Flightcom's and those little Pilot Cadet
headsets for the kids, and I now have 4 pair of headsets all with
ANR. For those who take kids in planes, I can't imagine putting
up with non-ANR headsets for the kids, and for the pilot it makes
listening to ATC much easier. There is just no comparison once you
try ANR. My -10 will have ANR power jacks at every headset location.
They ain't Bose, but they work well.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jesse Saint wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> May I recomment Headsets, Inc.? The price is very competitive and the noise
> cancellation is superb. They mainly offer retro-fit kits for other
> headsets, but they have a version of their own. We are really happy with
> ours.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:57 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Holes vs Noise vs ventilation question
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
>
> I concur with your advice; I was talking with the IA who performed the
> inspections on my C177RG. I took the sample package from B-quiet and
> discussed the pros/cons. Your major concern should be whether the
> soundproofing/insulation can attract/hold moisture. We also discussed the
> advice of the interior repair station on the field. There advice: except for
>
> the insulation on the firewall, the rest just adds weight, costs money and
> creates potential for corrosion. Hence I will insulate the firewall interior
>
> and use good noise canceling headsets.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:36 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Holes vs Noise vs ventilation question
>
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>>
>>Phil,
>>
>>Well, I have to admit that we were getting back seat passengers
>>complaining
>>of cold air coming in from the luggage area. We hadn't sealed the door
>>yet,
>>so we did so. They said it was still there. Then we realized that air
>>was
>>exiting from the hinge cavities around the door. We still haven't put the
>>door seals on, but it is time for that. Air was being sucked from those
>>areas and was being replaced by air from the back of the plane. I think
>>it
>>would be very hard to seal off completely, especially with the way the
>>rudder hooks on and the gaps around the VS. We thought about sound
>>insulation and just decided that it was much easier, cheaper and probably
>>lighter to go with ANR headsets. Since we were going to be using ANR
>>anyway, we decided that would be the way to go. The plane is loud with
>>the
>>headset off. It is quiet with the headset on. I imagine there is more
>>noise from the 260 horsies than there is from the air around the little
>>holes in the plane.
>>
>>In other words, I don't think I can offer any good advice on your question
>>except to suggest that if you are going to try to soundproof the plane,
>>you
>>are going to be doing a lot of it. If you are going to be using ANR's
>>anyway, then they will cut down on a little bit or a lot of noise, so take
>>that as far as you want to.
>>
>>Jesse Saint
>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>jesse@itecusa.org
>>www.itecusa.org
>>W: 352-465-4545
>>C: 352-427-0285
>>F: 815-377-3694
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil White
>>Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:09 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV10-List: Holes vs Noise vs ventilation question
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Phil White" <philwhite9@aol.com>
>>
>>I am working on the last half of the fuse, and notice that there are
>>quite a few places where there are holes or gaps in either the outside
>>skin or between cabin and empennage. Just put the baggage door on, and
>>see a 1/4" by 1 inch gap where the longeron meets the door frame.
>>Noticed that the rear baggage bulkhead has V stiffening corrugations,
>>which form triangular openings between cabin and the rear of the plane
>>which is fairly open to low pressure areas outside it. The bottom skin
>>where cabin meets tail has several 1/8" gaps in the corners.
>>
>> Are these gaps something I need to seal to have a quiet plane at 200
>>mph? Or are some openings desirable to allow ventilation and heating
>>air to exit the cabin so new can enter? Should openings be limited to
>>one, especially designed to give quiet air passage? If they should be
>>sealed, what are you using? Foam rubber, glop, tape?
>>
>> What have you learned from flying one; Randy, Jesse, others?
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>>Phil #40220 in IL (fuse floors)
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