RV10-List Digest Archive

Mon 11/21/05


Total Messages Posted: 32



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     1. 12:11 AM - Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... (Matt Dralle)
     2. 05:08 AM - Re: Wingtips (William)
     3. 05:38 AM - Re: 3 black knobs (Millsap, Dennis)
     4. 06:03 AM - Fuel lines ( was 3 black knobs ) (John Jessen)
     5. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: Wingtips (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
     6. 06:23 AM - Static Line (Sam Marlow)
     7. 06:48 AM - Re: Fuel lines ( was 3 black knobs ) (linn walters)
     8. 07:29 AM - Re: Fuel lines ( was 3 black knobs ) (Kelly McMullen)
     9. 10:31 AM - Re: Fuel lines (linn walters)
    10. 10:58 AM - Re: Fuel lines (Kelly McMullen)
    11. 11:35 AM - RV-10 First Flight (Andrew Barker)
    12. 11:48 AM - Re: Fuel lines (linn walters)
    13. 12:02 PM - Re: RV-10 First Flight (John Jessen)
    14. 12:21 PM - Re: RV-10 First Flight (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
    15. 12:46 PM - Re: Static Line (Bob)
    16. 12:54 PM - Re: RV-10 First Flight (Rick)
    17. 01:13 PM - Re: RV-10 First Flight (Kent Jones)
    18. 01:19 PM - Re: RV-10 First Flight (Rhonda Bewley)
    19. 01:21 PM - Re: RV-10 First Flight (Kent Jones)
    20. 02:51 PM - Re: Harnesses (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
    21. 03:57 PM - Re: Static Line (Sean Stephens)
    22. 04:24 PM - Fuse Bottom Skins (McGANN, Ron)
    23. 04:26 PM - Re: RV-10 First Flight (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
    24. 05:04 PM - Re: RV-10 First Flight (Tim Olson)
    25. 05:29 PM - HS cradle ()
    26. 05:50 PM - Re: Static Line (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
    27. 06:27 PM - Re: RV-10 First Flight (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
    28. 06:47 PM - Re: Static Line (David McNeill)
    29. 07:22 PM - Re: RV-10 First Flight (David McNeill)
    30. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: Harnesses (DejaVu)
    31. 09:25 PM - Re: Fuse Bottom Skins (Rick)
    32. 09:34 PM - Re: Fuse Bottom Skins (McGANN, Ron)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:11:53 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists...
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great services!! The Contribution Site is fast and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive


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    Time: 05:08:43 AM PST US
    From: "William" <wcurtis@core.com>
    Subject: Re: Wingtips
    This was a bit premature. It seems Van's "fixed" the wingtips a little too well. Instead of the wingtips being 1/2 inch too long as some have mentioned, mine are about 1/4 inch too SHORT. Oh well, it should be easier to add 1/4 than to remove 1/2 inch. Maybe I'll add some winglets:-) http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/07Wings/wings99m.html > Well it seems that Van's has resolved that problem with the wingtips > being the wrong size. I've finally got around to installing the > ailerons on the wings and after a preliminary measurement, it looks > like it measures exactly. For all those who are not at that stage, if > you measure the chord line of the wing tips and it is greater than 56 > inches, the you have the old non-fitting tips. I received my wing kit > last November so if you received yours after this, you are probably OK. William Curtis 40237 - wings http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/


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    Time: 05:38:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 3 black knobs
    From: "Millsap, Dennis" <MILLSAPD@mail.ecu.edu>
    Speaking of fuel lines... I struggled with the aluminum fuel lines in the RV-6A until one day I had enough. I was taxi testing the plane when ANOTHER fuel leak popped up in the cockpit! My feet were dangling in a pool of AVGAS. That was it. I flew into a rage that my wife still finds comical. I took a pair of dikes and cut the fuel lines out of the cockpit about 6 inches at a time. I was flinging them with great gusto as I cut each one. All the while, I was mumbling about the fact that everything has to be difficult when you're building a plane. After a little cooling down time, I sat down and pondered the issue a little more lucidly. My question was: How do they make fuel systems in millions of cars that are nearly bullet proof? They use EFI rubber hose with simple and cheap clamps. So, that's what I did. I had to go get different connectors for the tank and for the fuel valve, but the installation was simple, painless and after 430+ flight hours, bullet proof! Yes, it weighs more, but I also don't have leaks in the cockpit anymore. I'll do the same thing in the RV-10 because I don't like the aluminum tubes or the headaches they create. FWIW. Dennis Millsap N464DM RV-6A 40112 (RV-10)


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    Time: 06:03:01 AM PST US
    From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
    Subject: Fuel lines ( was 3 black knobs )
    Nice information. I've often wondered why an alternative wasn't used. If anyone knows why the solid aluminum lines are usually used, other than weight, I'd like to hear about it. Also, I've changed the heading to make it more appropriate to the topic. John Jessen -328 (in 3 weeks of buildus interruptus mode) _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Millsap, Dennis Subject: Re: RV10-List: 3 black knobs Speaking of fuel lines. I struggled with the aluminum fuel lines in the RV-6A until one day I had enough. I was taxi testing the plane when ANOTHER fuel leak popped up in the cockpit! My feet were dangling in a pool of AVGAS. That was it. I flew into a rage that my wife still finds comical. I took a pair of dikes and cut the fuel lines out of the cockpit about 6 inches at a time. I was flinging them with great gusto as I cut each one. All the while, I was mumbling about the fact that everything has to be difficult when you're building a plane. After a little cooling down time, I sat down and pondered the issue a little more lucidly. My question was: How do they make fuel systems in millions of cars that are nearly bullet proof? They use EFI rubber hose with simple and cheap clamps. So, that's what I did. I had to go get different connectors for the tank and for the fuel valve, but the installation was simple, painless and after 430+ flight hours, bullet proof! Yes, it weighs more, but I also don't have leaks in the cockpit anymore. I'll do the same thing in the RV-10 because I don't like the aluminum tubes or the headaches they create. FWIW. Dennis Millsap N464DM RV-6A 40112 (RV-10)


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    Time: 06:04:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wingtips
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    William, Put a straight edge along the trailing edge. One of mine was a 1/4" to short on the inside but even on the out. Nothing's changed, just a different level of bad workmanship when it comes to the fairings. They really need to find a different fairing manufacturer or hold him to higher standards. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Waiting on fuselage do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Subject: RV10-List: Re: Wingtips This was a bit premature. It seems Van's "fixed" the wingtips a little too well. Instead of the wingtips being 1/2 inch too long as some have mentioned, mine are about 1/4 inch too SHORT. Oh well, it should be easier to add 1/4 than to remove 1/2 inch. Maybe I'll add some winglets:-) http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/07Wings/wings99m.html > Well it seems that Van's has resolved that problem with the wingtips > being the wrong size. I've finally got around to installing the > ailerons on the wings and after a preliminary measurement, it looks > like it measures exactly. For all those who are not at that stage, if > you measure the chord line of the wing tips and it is greater than 56 > inches, the you have the old non-fitting tips. I received my wing kit > last November so if you received yours after this, you are probably OK. William Curtis 40237 - wings http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/


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    Time: 06:23:49 AM PST US
    From: Sam Marlow <sam.marlow@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Static Line
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Sam Marlow <sam.marlow@adelphia.net> For you guy's that have already run your static lines from the rear ports, did you run two separate lines, one from each side to the panel, or did you use a "T" in the rear of the fuse and use a common line to the panel? I also have the flush mounted static ports, with a barb for a connection, that is too large for the 1/4 inch line to attach, any ideas? I think there Safe-Air flush ports. Sam Fuse


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    Time: 06:48:16 AM PST US
    From: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel lines ( was 3 black knobs )
    I can't speak to RV fuel lines, but I've had 'homemade' aluminum fuel lines in my Pitts for 24 years with no problems. If I think of what causes metal to crack, it always boils down to temper and vibration. If the cracking is happening when being flared, then it may be temper or technique. The technique can be changed, the temper can't. In my limited experience, cracking during flaring is due to how much tubing is used for the flare (how much sticks out of the die) or the speed at which the flare is formed. Slowly cranking the flaring tool allows the aluminum tube to flow, and the use of a lubricant helps create a flare on center. Vibration can be solved with a good propeller dynamic balance and the use of adel clamps and ty-raps to support the tubing. sorry I can't be more help, but I hope it gives you something to think about. I like solid tubing rather than rubber hose because I don't like the concept of hose clamps (they lose their 'tightness' as the rubber ages) and rubber tubing will become brittle over time. I really hate the little rubber connectors that handle the return oil from the cylinder heads on lycomings. They're a continuing maintenance headache, and I'd rather fly than fix. Linn do not archive John Jessen wrote: > Nice information. I've often wondered why an alternative wasn't > used. If anyone knows why the solid aluminum lines are usually used, > other than weight, I'd like to hear about it. Also, I've changed the > heading to make it more appropriate to the topic. > > John Jessen > -328 (in 3 weeks of buildus interruptus mode) > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Millsap, Dennis > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:38 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: 3 black knobs > > Speaking of fuel lines... > > > > I struggled with the aluminum fuel lines in the RV-6A until one day I > had enough. I was taxi testing the plane when ANOTHER fuel leak > popped up in the cockpit! My feet were dangling in a pool of AVGAS. > That was it. I flew into a rage that my wife still finds comical. I > took a pair of dikes and cut the fuel lines out of the cockpit about 6 > inches at a time. I was flinging them with great gusto as I cut each > one. All the while, I was mumbling about the fact that everything has > to be difficult when you're building a plane. After a little cooling > down time, I sat down and pondered the issue a little more lucidly. > My question was: How do they make fuel systems in millions of cars > that are nearly bullet proof? They use EFI rubber hose with simple > and cheap clamps. So, that's what I did. I had to go get different > connectors for the tank and for the fuel valve, but the installation > was simple, painless and after 430+ flight hours, bullet proof! Yes, > it weighs more, but I also don't have leaks in the cockpit anymore. > I'll do the same thing in the RV-10 because I don't like the aluminum > tubes or the headaches they create. FWIW. > > > > Dennis Millsap > > N464DM > > RV-6A > > 40112 (RV-10) > > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.


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    Time: 07:29:24 AM PST US
    <4381DE62.4040207@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel lines ( was 3 black knobs )
    From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com> The interesting part is that most certified aircraft I have worked on use a combination, usually about 12" of rubber tubing to connect from the tanks to aluminum tubing. Perhaps that helps the vibration issues and any flexing from the wings. KM Do Not Archive linn walters said: > I can't speak to RV fuel lines, but I've had 'homemade' aluminum fuel > lines in my Pitts for 24 years with no problems. > I like solid tubing rather than rubber hose because I don't like the > concept of hose clamps (they lose their 'tightness' as the rubber ages) > and rubber tubing will become brittle over time. I really hate the > little rubber connectors that handle the return oil from the cylinder > heads on lycomings. They're a continuing maintenance headache, and I'd > rather fly than fix. > Linn > do not archive >


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    Time: 10:31:06 AM PST US
    From: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel lines
    --> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com> Good point. But you won't find rubber coupling fuel lines in the cabin in a cert'd AC. Dennis replaced his hard (and cracking) aluminum lines with rubber in the cabin. For him, I guess that's OK. For me, it's not. Linn Kelly McMullen wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com> > >The interesting part is that most certified aircraft I have worked on use >a combination, usually about 12" of rubber tubing to connect from the >tanks to aluminum tubing. Perhaps that helps the vibration issues and any >flexing from the wings. >KM >Do Not Archive > >linn walters said: > > >>I can't speak to RV fuel lines, but I've had 'homemade' aluminum fuel >>lines in my Pitts for 24 years with no problems. >>I like solid tubing rather than rubber hose because I don't like the >>concept of hose clamps (they lose their 'tightness' as the rubber ages) >>and rubber tubing will become brittle over time. I really hate the >>little rubber connectors that handle the return oil from the cylinder >>heads on lycomings. They're a continuing maintenance headache, and I'd >>rather fly than fix. >>Linn >>do not archive >> -- Checked by AVG Free Edition.


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    Time: 10:58:22 AM PST US
    <4381DE62.4040207@cfl.rr.com> <1279.156.42.68.4.1132586938.squirrel@skylane.kjsl.com> <43821289.8000103@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel lines
    From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com> Oh contraire. In Cessnas the line is in the wing root behind the head liner. In many low wing planes it is behind the royalite at the wing root. In both cases the fuel and vapors can come right into the cabin. But because they are covered locations, the rubber hose gets replace maybe once every 30 years. do not archive linn walters said: > --> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com> > > Good point. But you won't find rubber coupling fuel lines in the cabin > in a cert'd AC. Dennis replaced his hard (and cracking) aluminum lines > with rubber in the cabin. For him, I guess that's OK. For me, it's not. > Linn > >


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    Time: 11:35:01 AM PST US
    From: "Andrew Barker" <Andrew@trutrakap.com>
    Subject: RV-10 First Flight
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Andrew Barker" <Andrew@trutrakap.com> Just thought I would drop a note to the list that our RV-10 (N910TS) flew for the first time on Friday, November 18. What a beautiful machine. Andrew Barker General Manager TruTrak Flight Systems PH: 479-751-0250 Ext.222 Toll Free: 1-866-TruTrak www.trutrakap.com


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    Time: 11:48:47 AM PST US
    From: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel lines
    Thanks Kelly! I learned something. Both my Grumman (AA-1B) and Traumahawk have solid fuel lines from tanks to engine .... but the vent lines in the Grumman do have rubber hoses ..... which did come close to 30 years before failure. Linn Kelly McMullen wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com> > >Oh contraire. In Cessnas the line is in the wing root behind the head >liner. In many low wing planes it is behind the royalite at the wing root. >In both cases the fuel and vapors can come right into the cabin. But >because they are covered locations, the rubber hose gets replace maybe >once every 30 years. >do not archive > >linn walters said: > > >>--> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com> >> >>Good point. But you won't find rubber coupling fuel lines in the cabin >>in a cert'd AC. Dennis replaced his hard (and cracking) aluminum lines >>with rubber in the cabin. For him, I guess that's OK. For me, it's not. >>Linn >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.


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    Time: 12:02:25 PM PST US
    From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
    Subject: RV-10 First Flight
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com> Congratulations! Any pictures? John Jessen -328 do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Barker Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 First Flight --> RV10-List message posted by: "Andrew Barker" <Andrew@trutrakap.com> Just thought I would drop a note to the list that our RV-10 (N910TS) flew for the first time on Friday, November 18. What a beautiful machine. Andrew Barker General Manager TruTrak Flight Systems PH: 479-751-0250 Ext.222 Toll Free: 1-866-TruTrak www.trutrakap.com


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    Time: 12:21:03 PM PST US
    Subject: RV-10 First Flight
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com> Andrew - Monty got to fly it on Saturday and said it is a magnificent airplane. Good running engine too (from what I hear.) I told Betty she better watch out or it will be next on the project list after the Model 12!! Congratulations to you, Jim and everyone at TruTrak. Best, Rhonda and Allen Barrett -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
    [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 First Flight --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com> Congratulations! Any pictures? John Jessen -328 do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Barker Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 First Flight --> RV10-List message posted by: "Andrew Barker" <Andrew@trutrakap.com> Just thought I would drop a note to the list that our RV-10 (N910TS) flew for the first time on Friday, November 18. What a beautiful machine. Andrew Barker General Manager TruTrak Flight Systems PH: 479-751-0250 Ext.222 Toll Free: 1-866-TruTrak www.trutrakap.com


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    Time: 12:46:38 PM PST US
    From: "Bob" <bcondrey@cox.net>
    Subject: Static Line
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob" <bcondrey@cox.net> The ports from Cleaveland have barbs that go to 1/4" ID Tygon tubing. I have those and used Tygon from each port to a tee and then transitioned from Tygon to standard static line. Bob #40105 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sam Marlow Subject: RV10-List: Static Line --> RV10-List message posted by: Sam Marlow <sam.marlow@adelphia.net> For you guy's that have already run your static lines from the rear ports, did you run two separate lines, one from each side to the panel, or did you use a "T" in the rear of the fuse and use a common line to the panel? I also have the flush mounted static ports, with a barb for a connection, that is too large for the 1/4 inch line to attach, any ideas? I think there Safe-Air flush ports. Sam Fuse


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    Time: 12:54:34 PM PST US
    From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
    Subject: RV-10 First Flight
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> Rhonda, You wouldn't be a bit biased about the powerplant would ya? ;) Rick S. 40185 Fuselage Do not archive


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    Time: 01:13:52 PM PST US
    From: Kent Jones <kjones@Bost.org>
    Subject: Re: RV-10 First Flight
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Jones <kjones@bost.org> Andrew, Congradulations! I am located in Fort Smith, AR and working on QB fuse. and wings. I also have an engine on order from BPA Engines in Tulsa, and am very interested in your cowling modification. Also, I am using your AP and currently have pitch and aileron servos through Stein. I have visited your shop once. It would be great now to visit you and N910TS. Any day/time that would be most convenient before the holidays? Regards, Kent C. Jones SN # 40296 (479) 478-5550 day (479) 646-9933 evening Andrew Barker wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Andrew Barker" <Andrew@trutrakap.com> > > Just thought I would drop a note to the list that our RV-10 (N910TS) > flew for the first time on Friday, November 18. What a beautiful > machine. > > Andrew Barker > General Manager > TruTrak Flight Systems > PH: 479-751-0250 Ext.222 > Toll Free: 1-866-TruTrak > www.trutrakap.com > >


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    Time: 01:19:34 PM PST US
    Subject: RV-10 First Flight
    From: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@bpaengines.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com> Biased? . . . possibly. Proud? . . . . definitely! Do not Archive Rhonda -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 First Flight --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> Rhonda, You wouldn't be a bit biased about the powerplant would ya? ;) Rick S. 40185 Fuselage Do not archive


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    Time: 01:21:08 PM PST US
    From: Kent Jones <kjones@Bost.org>
    Subject: Re: RV-10 First Flight
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Kent Jones <kjones@bost.org> Andrew, Congratulations! I am located in Fort Smith, AR and working on RV 10 QB fuse. and wings. Also have on order an engine from BPA Engines in Tulsa, and very interested in your cowling modification. Is there any day/time that may be convenient for me to visit you and your N910TS before January? I have been to your shop once before. Also, I will be using your AP, and am currently installing your servos purchased through Stein. Regards, Kent C. Jones Fort Smith, AR SN# 40296 (479) 478-5550 day (479) 646-9933 evenings Andrew Barker wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Andrew Barker" <Andrew@trutrakap.com> > > Just thought I would drop a note to the list that our RV-10 (N910TS) > flew for the first time on Friday, November 18. What a beautiful > machine. > > Andrew Barker > General Manager > TruTrak Flight Systems > PH: 479-751-0250 Ext.222 > Toll Free: 1-866-TruTrak > www.trutrakap.com > >


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    Time: 02:51:02 PM PST US
    Subject: RE: Harnesses
    Hooker Harness is what is N610RV. They have the sizes. About 550.00 for the set if I remember. Randy ________________________________
    From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
    [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: Harnesses Anyone using seatbelt harnesses other than the ones from Van's? Can you share information about your source, including pricing? TDT 40025 Do not archive


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    Time: 03:57:19 PM PST US
    From: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Static Line
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net> How have builders fastened the tubing to the barbs on the ports and Ts? -Sean #40303 (wing top skins, still...) Bob wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob" <bcondrey@cox.net> > > The ports from Cleaveland have barbs that go to 1/4" ID Tygon tubing. I > have those and used Tygon from each port to a tee and then transitioned from > Tygon to standard static line. > > Bob #40105 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sam Marlow > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:23 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Static Line > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sam Marlow <sam.marlow@adelphia.net> > > For you guy's that have already run your static lines from the rear > ports, did you run two separate lines, one from each side to the panel, > or did you use a "T" in the rear of the fuse and use a common line to > the panel? I also have the flush mounted static ports, with a barb for a > connection, that is too large for the 1/4 inch line to attach, any > ideas? I think there Safe-Air flush ports. > Sam > Fuse > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:24:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Fuse Bottom Skins
    From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
    Completed the rib to fuse bulkhead attachment last night and started cleocing the F-1077 and F-1076 bottom skins to the rib/bulkhead assy. Plans say to flute the F-1015 ribs but not the F-1018 ribs. When clecoing the skins, the holes lined up fine on the F-1015, but the 1018s did not go anywhere near matching the curve of the skins (up to 1/2" misalignment). I was thinking of removing the skins and fluting the 1018s. However, after clecoing each hole of the 1018 to the 1076 skin, the ribs pulled to the contour of the skin quite nicely and fluting does not seem necessary. Did anyone else experience this, or find the need to flute the 1018s? cheers, Ron #187 fuse


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    Time: 04:26:24 PM PST US
    From: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
    Subject: Re: RV-10 First Flight
    Which autopilot is in it? Doug Preston #40372 DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 05:04:06 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: RV-10 First Flight
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Probably an S-Tec or Trio, since it's the TruTrak Factory -10. <G> ;) Tim Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com wrote: > Which autopilot is in it? > > Doug Preston > #40372 > > DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 05:29:22 PM PST US
    From: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: HS cradle
    Hi,this are tips and pictures for the beeginers(like me)its a tip how have a cradle call for the HS I did with the shipping box,its working perfect,a single person can handle the complete assy. from one side of the table,. May be it is not so important ,but I fill to share with the just start dreamers,I send the same pictures to Van's ,may be he can design the templates in the cover of the shipp. box ,and help a little more without expenses(and recycling)(no response) any way here are the pictures ,if any body like the idea I can follow some mesurments will make work better. Hugo #40456


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    Time: 05:50:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Static Line
    From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Sean, Tygon is 1/4" ID and will slip right onto the barbed ends (on the Cleaveland static ports) and also the tee that they can supply. I then slipped the 1/4" OD static line into the 1/4" ID Tygon and secured with a small clamp. I have the tee a few inches above the static port location on the bulkhead to help keep moisture out. Clamp where the Tygon joins the regular 1/4" OD static line is probably not necessary but I plan on minimal trips back that far into the tailcone... Bob #40105 Finish Kit -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Static Line --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net> How have builders fastened the tubing to the barbs on the ports and Ts? -Sean #40303 (wing top skins, still...) Bob wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob" <bcondrey@cox.net> > > The ports from Cleaveland have barbs that go to 1/4" ID Tygon tubing. I > have those and used Tygon from each port to a tee and then transitioned from > Tygon to standard static line. > > Bob #40105 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sam Marlow > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:23 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Static Line > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sam Marlow <sam.marlow@adelphia.net> > > For you guy's that have already run your static lines from the rear > ports, did you run two separate lines, one from each side to the panel, > or did you use a "T" in the rear of the fuse and use a common line to > the panel? I also have the flush mounted static ports, with a barb for a > connection, that is too large for the 1/4 inch line to attach, any > ideas? I think there Safe-Air flush ports. > Sam > Fuse > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:27:14 PM PST US
    From: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
    Subject: Re: RV-10 First Flight
    I guessed it was aTRUTRAK........which model??? dp do not archive


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    Time: 06:47:59 PM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Static Line
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net> There is another alternative which I did not think of until I pulled the air lines forward. On my Cardinal the static ports were on each side of the fuselage just forward of the cabin. This will save a lot of grief pulling air lines through the fuselage. Its also a lot nicer using the aluminum inserts rather than the blind rivet approach. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Static Line > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" > <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> > > Sean, > > Tygon is 1/4" ID and will slip right onto the barbed ends (on the > Cleaveland static ports) and also the tee that they can supply. I then > slipped the 1/4" OD static line into the 1/4" ID Tygon and secured with > a small clamp. I have the tee a few inches above the static port > location on the bulkhead to help keep moisture out. Clamp where the > Tygon joins the regular 1/4" OD static line is probably not necessary > but I plan on minimal trips back that far into the tailcone... > > Bob #40105 > Finish Kit > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:57 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Static Line > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net> > > How have builders fastened the tubing to the barbs on the ports and Ts? > > -Sean #40303 (wing top skins, still...) > > Bob wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob" <bcondrey@cox.net> >> >> The ports from Cleaveland have barbs that go to 1/4" ID Tygon tubing. > I >> have those and used Tygon from each port to a tee and then > transitioned from >> Tygon to standard static line. >> >> Bob #40105 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sam Marlow >> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:23 AM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Static Line >> >> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sam Marlow <sam.marlow@adelphia.net> >> >> For you guy's that have already run your static lines from the rear >> ports, did you run two separate lines, one from each side to the > panel, >> or did you use a "T" in the rear of the fuse and use a common line to >> the panel? I also have the flush mounted static ports, with a barb for > a >> connection, that is too large for the 1/4 inch line to attach, any >> ideas? I think there Safe-Air flush ports. >> Sam >> Fuse >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 07:22:57 PM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: RV-10 First Flight
    Digiflite VSGV that the promotion item with the Chelton Sport system and they tested Chelton system with the named AP ( the vertical steering). ----- Original Message ----- From: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 First Flight I guessed it was aTRUTRAK........which model??? dp do not archive


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    Time: 08:59:27 PM PST US
    From: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
    Subject: Re: RE: Harnesses
    $656 as of last week including 5-points for the rear seats. ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy DeBauw To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: RV10-List: RE: Harnesses Hooker Harness is what is N610RV. They have the sizes. About 550.00 for the set if I remember. Randy From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:21 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Harnesses Anyone using seatbelt harnesses other than the ones from Van's? Can you share information about your source, including pricing? TDT 40025 Do not archive


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    Time: 09:25:28 PM PST US
    From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuse Bottom Skins
    DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list - No Plain-Text Section --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found ---


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    Time: 09:34:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Fuse Bottom Skins
    From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
    Thanks Rick - I'll check for bowing of the ribs tonight and will most likely flute them. Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuse Bottom Skins --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Ron, I would flute them, if you don't, the rib won't remain perpendicular to the bottom skin and has a tendency to bow outward at the top as it is forced into making the curve. I had to flute mine to get the holes to line up FWIW. Rick S. 40185 Fuselage




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