---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/07/05: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:58 AM - Deluxe Fuel Caps (Scott Lewis) 2. 05:40 AM - Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps (John Jessen) 3. 06:14 AM - SilverHawk EX fuel servo verification (Tim Olson) 4. 06:48 AM - Re: Panel planing (Sam Marlow) 5. 07:14 AM - Panel update (Tim Olson) 6. 07:39 AM - Re: Panel update (Sean Stephens) 7. 08:01 AM - Re: Panel update (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com) 8. 08:18 AM - Re: Panel update (Tim Olson) 9. 08:24 AM - Re: Panel update (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 10. 08:37 AM - Re: Panel update (Jerry Grimmonpre) 11. 08:39 AM - Re: Control stick (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com) 12. 08:47 AM - Re: Panel update (David McNeill) 13. 08:59 AM - Re: Panel update (Tim Olson) 14. 09:18 AM - Re: Panel update (Tim Olson) 15. 09:21 AM - Re: Panel update (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 16. 09:22 AM - Re: Cogsdill burraway questions (Bruce Case) 17. 09:34 AM - Re: Control stick (John Jessen) 18. 09:39 AM - Re: Panel update (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 19. 10:08 AM - Re: Panel update (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 20. 10:34 AM - Overhead Lights & Speaker (Conti, Rick) 21. 10:41 AM - Re: Control stick (RV Builder (Michael Sausen) [mailto) 22. 10:51 AM - OAT (Conti, Rick) 23. 12:58 PM - Re: Control stick (rob kermanj) 24. 01:32 PM - Re: OAT (Jim Wade) 25. 06:00 PM - Re: OAT (Robert G. Wright) 26. 06:25 PM - Re: OAT (Kelly McMullen) 27. 07:35 PM - Re: OAT (Tim Olson) 28. 07:35 PM - Re: Panel update (Richard Sipp) 29. 07:49 PM - Fuse Wiring (John Testement) 30. 08:57 PM - Re: Fuse Wiring (Tim Olson) 31. 09:10 PM - Re: OAT (John W. Cox) 32. 09:22 PM - Re: Fuse Wiring (DejaVu) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:33 AM PST US From: Scott Lewis Subject: RV10-List: Deluxe Fuel Caps --> RV10-List message posted by: Scott Lewis G'day all, Several weeks ago I threw out a question asking for feedback on the Deluxe Fuel Caps available from Van's. I got a couple of responses, but the overall dearth of interest I took to mean that almost no-one has them. So . . . . . . now that I have the caps in my hot little hands, I thought I would throw out a PIREP for anyone searching for the answer to the same question in future. Straight out of the box the Deluxe Caps look nicer than the standards with a more polished appearance. The dimensions of both are the same with the exception of the diameter of the filler neck, which is less on the deluxe caps due to the locking mechanism. The flange on the deluxe caps has a curve machined into it, so there is no need for any flange bending. That being said, the curve is a little too tight to fit the RV-10 tank skins well, I would imagine it would fit the other model's tanks much better. Nothing a bit of Proseal can't fill in any case. The standard caps have no separate locking mechanism. They are held in with the seal, which is formed by squeezing an O-Ring, forcing it outwards against the filler neck. I have seen a number of people report fuel leaks from around this seal. The deluxe caps have a two stage mechanism. The lowering of the clip presses the O-Ring at the top of the cap down against the angled wall of the filler neck, forming a more positive seal. With the clip up (and seal released) the cap is still held in, though it is loose. The cap is released by turning the clip 45 degrees, at which point the caps easily lifts out (as opposed to the force required to pull out the standard cap). The deluxe caps also can come with a key lock which is hidden below the clip. Overall all I am very impressed with these caps and very glad I bought them. Besides the fact they are just better, I think the ability to lock them is valuable in this day and age (unfortunately). Yes, they cost significantly more than the standard caps, but compared to the amount of money we are sinking into these aircraft . . . . . . . . I will be uploading some pictures into the Photoshare which hopefully will clarify some of my babble from above!! Have fun all, Scott Lewis RV-10 40172 Adelaide, South Australia ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:07 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Deluxe Fuel Caps --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" Scott, well done. You sold me! John Jessen ~328 (still learning how to read Jessen, John. I know. It's pitiful.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Lewis Subject: RV10-List: Deluxe Fuel Caps --> RV10-List message posted by: Scott Lewis G'day all, Several weeks ago I threw out a question asking for feedback on the Deluxe Fuel Caps available from Van's. I got a couple of responses, but the overall dearth of interest I took to mean that almost no-one has them. So . . . . . . now that I have the caps in my hot little hands, I thought I would throw out a PIREP for anyone searching for the answer to the same question in future. Straight out of the box the Deluxe Caps look nicer than the standards with a more polished appearance. The dimensions of both are the same with the exception of the diameter of the filler neck, which is less on the deluxe caps due to the locking mechanism. The flange on the deluxe caps has a curve machined into it, so there is no need for any flange bending. That being said, the curve is a little too tight to fit the RV-10 tank skins well, I would imagine it would fit the other model's tanks much better. Nothing a bit of Proseal can't fill in any case. The standard caps have no separate locking mechanism. They are held in with the seal, which is formed by squeezing an O-Ring, forcing it outwards against the filler neck. I have seen a number of people report fuel leaks from around this seal. The deluxe caps have a two stage mechanism. The lowering of the clip presses the O-Ring at the top of the cap down against the angled wall of the filler neck, forming a more positive seal. With the clip up (and seal released) the cap is still held in, though it is loose. The cap is released by turning the clip 45 degrees, at which point the caps easily lifts out (as opposed to the force required to pull out the standard cap). The deluxe caps also can come with a key lock which is hidden below the clip. Overall all I am very impressed with these caps and very glad I bought them. Besides the fact they are just better, I think the ability to lock them is valuable in this day and age (unfortunately). Yes, they cost significantly more than the standard caps, but compared to the amount of money we are sinking into these aircraft . . . . . . . . I will be uploading some pictures into the Photoshare which hopefully will clarify some of my babble from above!! Have fun all, Scott Lewis RV-10 40172 Adelaide, South Australia ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:53 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: SilverHawk EX fuel servo verification --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson This is a dumb question. From the page: http://www.precisionairmotive.com/silverhawkapplications.htm I see they have the standard and alternate rotation configurations for the fuel injection servo. I *think* I am correct that we need the standard configuration, where the Throttle rotates counterclockwise and the mixture rotates clockwise, since pushing and pulling the cables would seem to have the desired effect. But, on their site, they list option #2 the alternate rotation is "primarily aimed at Van's Aircraft RV installations", so I thought I'd at least question it. This isn't applicable in our situation, correct? I have mine hooked up, with the exception of the throttle that had too much travel. I should be getting the new cable I bought today, so I want to make sure I'm 100% verified so that I can bless all the parts as installed. PS: Van's never did address my short-throw throttle cable, so I bought a new one from them and will just send them the old one back with a merch. return form. So, the problem was not addressed. Tim -- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:25 AM PST US From: Sam Marlow Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel planing Thank's Tim, great website! Do not archive. Tim Olson wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Sam, > > It all depends on what you want to stuff back there, and where you > lay it out. If you try to lay out anything dead center, you're > going to have some issues with that center rib, and you might > not be able to trim as much as you'd like. The outer 2 > ribs should be much easier. > > Here's mine: > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050610/index.html > > But again, it all depends on what you plan to put in the panel and > where you locate it. > > Tim > > do not archive > > Sam Marlow wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sam Marlow >> >> I'm ready to layout my instrument panel and I'm wondering how much to >> trim off the ribs. Can someone that has done this shed some light on >> the subject before I get out the sawzaw? >> RV10 Fuse >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:56 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Panel update Today's my birthday, so my wife reminded me that I already got my present for the next few years. Along with this decade's Christmas presents. Attached is a photo. With the engine stuff almost wrapped up, it's time for me to get the panel and airframe wired, as that's the last major remaining task. Over the past few days, I silkscreened my panel (highly recommended if you do it yourself), and then clearcoated it with clear and a flattening agent to prevent glare. It looks pretty nice. I thought I'd send the most recent picture. Some of you might notice that there's a CDI installed now. There's a story to this... As with most aviation vendors, it seems, there's been the usual hype regarding functionality, and when the actual stuff shows up, it's not exactly as it was said earlier. In this case, the GNS480 turns out to not be as well-integrated into the Chelton scheme as was said. The SL-30 does just about everything, and is an ideal radio for integration. The GNS480 though, needs to have some work done before it'll integrate. The #1 integration lacking is the CDI display. The Chelton can take in the 430/530 type communications, but apparently when Garmin bought the CNX-80, all development stopped. Therefore the 480 isn't capable of speaking the same language. On the same token, the engineers at Chelton aren't ready to try to decode what the 480 IS capable of. So, no CDI. I know I could use the built-in CDI, but for absolute legality and redundancy and full-function for flying all approaches, I decided just to put the external CDI in. I had previously saved the space for just this occasion. Yes, from the sounds of it, if they had enough call from customers to get the development motivated to integrate the 480, it could be done. A call to Garmin verified that it should be able to display the remote CDI indication, if it were able to understand the communication. Supposedly it would be similar to integrating a Sandel 3308. Garmin did also say that development isn't finished the 480, and new features that might make it more "integratable" might come down the pipeline, but apparently it's also on their back burner right now too. In addition, it was said that to make the 480 integrate, you need an Arinc to serial converter. Well, as it turns out, the converter is currently going to be useless in helping the 480. What it IS needed for is integrating the traffic display from the 330 Transponder. So, I'll be adding one. The downside though, is that it is now believed that the Chelton, if they put the engineering time into it, will be able to receive the traffic via serial output on the 330. So in the end, the converter may not be needed for anything, and full functionality may be available. For me, I will be very glad I bought the SL-30, and that you can display 2 NAV signals from the SL-30 on the screen, so the actual CDI display and remote tuning of the 480 are really not to big of a problem. And, I bought the converter so I can have traffic TODAY. But, ultimately I am guessing that I'll be looking for an ADS-B system in the next couple years anyway, so I know I'm throwing away a bit of cash from impatience. The sad part is that most everything people want, would be available, if everyone's engineering departments really wanted to get it done. I'll make sure I post things about the integration and wiring on my site. Hopefully I'll be able to have some good info that will help others in the future. The wiring headaches are about to begin. ;) -- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:04 AM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel update --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens So, are you saying the 430 is a better option to team up with the Chelton because the Chelton can integrate with the 430? Or, are you saying skipping a panel GPS and maybe having a handheld backup is the way to go when installing the Chelton? Thanks Tim... -Sean #40303 Tim Olson wrote: > Today's my birthday, so my wife reminded me that I already got > my present for the next few years. Along with this > decade's Christmas presents. Attached is a photo. > > With the engine stuff almost wrapped up, it's time for me to > get the panel and airframe wired, as that's the last major > remaining task. Over the past few days, I silkscreened my > panel (highly recommended if you do it yourself), and then > clearcoated it with clear and a flattening agent to prevent > glare. It looks pretty nice. > > I thought I'd send the most recent picture. Some of you > might notice that there's a CDI installed now. There's > a story to this... > > As with most aviation vendors, it seems, there's been the > usual hype regarding functionality, and when the actual > stuff shows up, it's not exactly as it was said earlier. > > In this case, the GNS480 turns out to not be as well-integrated > into the Chelton scheme as was said. The SL-30 does just > about everything, and is an ideal radio for integration. > The GNS480 though, needs to have some work done before it'll > integrate. The #1 integration lacking is the CDI display. > The Chelton can take in the 430/530 type communications, but > apparently when Garmin bought the CNX-80, all development > stopped. Therefore the 480 isn't capable of speaking the same > language. On the same token, the engineers at Chelton aren't > ready to try to decode what the 480 IS capable of. So, > no CDI. I know I could use the built-in CDI, but for absolute > legality and redundancy and full-function for flying all > approaches, I decided just to put the external CDI in. I > had previously saved the space for just this occasion. Yes, > from the sounds of it, if they had enough call from customers > to get the development motivated to integrate the 480, it > could be done. A call to Garmin verified that it should > be able to display the remote CDI indication, if it were able > to understand the communication. Supposedly it would be > similar to integrating a Sandel 3308. Garmin did also say > that development isn't finished the 480, and new features > that might make it more "integratable" might come down > the pipeline, but apparently it's also on their back > burner right now too. > > In addition, it was said that to make the 480 integrate, > you need an Arinc to serial converter. Well, as it turns > out, the converter is currently going to be useless in > helping the 480. What it IS needed for is integrating the > traffic display from the 330 Transponder. So, I'll be adding > one. The downside though, is that it is now believed that > the Chelton, if they put the engineering time into it, > will be able to receive the traffic via serial output on > the 330. So in the end, the converter may not be needed > for anything, and full functionality may be available. > > For me, I will be very glad I bought the SL-30, and that you > can display 2 NAV signals from the SL-30 on the screen, so > the actual CDI display and remote tuning of the 480 are > really not to big of a problem. And, I bought the converter > so I can have traffic TODAY. But, ultimately I am guessing > that I'll be looking for an ADS-B system in the next couple > years anyway, so I know I'm throwing away a bit of cash > from impatience. The sad part is that most everything > people want, would be available, if everyone's engineering > departments really wanted to get it done. > > I'll make sure I post things about the integration and wiring > on my site. Hopefully I'll be able to have some good info > that will help others in the future. The wiring headaches > are about to begin. ;) > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:41 AM PST US From: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel update In a message dated 12/7/2005 9:21:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, Tim@MyRV10.com writes: But, ultimately I am guessing that I'll be looking for an ADS-B system in the next couple years anyway Tim, I am sure we all appreciate your research and updates. Is there any details available yet as to what TXP will be needed with what for the ADS-B system. I am at a point of decision on avionics and would like to not flush $$$ down the toilet. Thanks, Doug Preston DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:04 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel update --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson My take on it is this....(just an opinion that many would not agree with maybe) I would rather have the 480, since it's an official and legal WAAS capable box. I think every chelton system really needs to have an SL-30 as it's the ultimate Nav/Com to use with the Chelton. I think the 430/530 would work better WITH the chelton than the 480 right now, but without WAAS (yes, I know it's coming...at a cost) I wouldn't bother with it. The other option that I really think would be even better is this: Use the remote-mount Freeflight GPS. It's WAAS legal and would basically feed the chelton instead of the AHRS GPS. So you'd have true WAAS legal approaches driven by the Chelton. It's also just over 1/2 the cost of the 480. What you lose is a separate redundant GPS for your panel....something some people wouldn't care about. So that's where the 2nd radio comes in....you could use either a 430/530/480 as that radio, use something else, or even use a nice handheld like the Garmin 396, or the AvMap....or you could just stick in an SL-40, and live with single Nav, one GPS, save a TON of cash, and have a nice handheld as a backup that you keep off your panel....and make it available to back-seat passengers as an entertainment device for watching where you are. There isn't really a "best" because each way has a downside. That SL-30/SL-40/FreeFlight/Handheld option seems to give the best redundancy and bang for the buck. With the SL-30/430 you're losing WAAS, or paying premium for it later. The SL-30/480 option I have, is actually a very good way to get 2 reliable GPS navigation and flight planning systems, and the cost is actually not at the highest end of the options if you demand WAAS. It just means that you're 480 isn't going to be very integrated. For me though, I consider the 480 as being my "backup" to my system. I'll fly 99% of the time with just the Chelton/SL-30. Entering the approach into the 480 as I get time, just as a reference. The downside is keeping track of how to use 2 systems. Like I said though, there's ALWAYS a downside....it just depends on your point of view as to what you consider most critical. Hopefully, the 480 will later be more integrated...which will then leave few down sides. Wow, I typed more than I thought I would. Good thing I'm supposedly listening to a conference call right now. ;) Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 Sean Stephens wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens > > So, are you saying the 430 is a better option to team up with the > Chelton because the Chelton can integrate with the 430? > > Or, are you saying skipping a panel GPS and maybe having a handheld > backup is the way to go when installing the Chelton? > > Thanks Tim... > > -Sean #40303 > > Tim Olson wrote: > >> Today's my birthday, so my wife reminded me that I already got >> my present for the next few years. Along with this >> decade's Christmas presents. Attached is a photo. >> >> With the engine stuff almost wrapped up, it's time for me to >> get the panel and airframe wired, as that's the last major >> remaining task. Over the past few days, I silkscreened my >> panel (highly recommended if you do it yourself), and then >> clearcoated it with clear and a flattening agent to prevent >> glare. It looks pretty nice. >> >> I thought I'd send the most recent picture. Some of you >> might notice that there's a CDI installed now. There's >> a story to this... >> >> As with most aviation vendors, it seems, there's been the >> usual hype regarding functionality, and when the actual >> stuff shows up, it's not exactly as it was said earlier. >> >> In this case, the GNS480 turns out to not be as well-integrated >> into the Chelton scheme as was said. The SL-30 does just >> about everything, and is an ideal radio for integration. >> The GNS480 though, needs to have some work done before it'll >> integrate. The #1 integration lacking is the CDI display. >> The Chelton can take in the 430/530 type communications, but >> apparently when Garmin bought the CNX-80, all development >> stopped. Therefore the 480 isn't capable of speaking the same >> language. On the same token, the engineers at Chelton aren't >> ready to try to decode what the 480 IS capable of. So, >> no CDI. I know I could use the built-in CDI, but for absolute >> legality and redundancy and full-function for flying all >> approaches, I decided just to put the external CDI in. I >> had previously saved the space for just this occasion. Yes, >> from the sounds of it, if they had enough call from customers >> to get the development motivated to integrate the 480, it >> could be done. A call to Garmin verified that it should >> be able to display the remote CDI indication, if it were able >> to understand the communication. Supposedly it would be >> similar to integrating a Sandel 3308. Garmin did also say >> that development isn't finished the 480, and new features >> that might make it more "integratable" might come down >> the pipeline, but apparently it's also on their back >> burner right now too. >> >> In addition, it was said that to make the 480 integrate, >> you need an Arinc to serial converter. Well, as it turns >> out, the converter is currently going to be useless in >> helping the 480. What it IS needed for is integrating the >> traffic display from the 330 Transponder. So, I'll be adding >> one. The downside though, is that it is now believed that >> the Chelton, if they put the engineering time into it, >> will be able to receive the traffic via serial output on >> the 330. So in the end, the converter may not be needed >> for anything, and full functionality may be available. >> >> For me, I will be very glad I bought the SL-30, and that you >> can display 2 NAV signals from the SL-30 on the screen, so >> the actual CDI display and remote tuning of the 480 are >> really not to big of a problem. And, I bought the converter >> so I can have traffic TODAY. But, ultimately I am guessing >> that I'll be looking for an ADS-B system in the next couple >> years anyway, so I know I'm throwing away a bit of cash >> from impatience. The sad part is that most everything >> people want, would be available, if everyone's engineering >> departments really wanted to get it done. >> >> I'll make sure I post things about the integration and wiring >> on my site. Hopefully I'll be able to have some good info >> that will help others in the future. The wiring headaches >> are about to begin. ;) >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:14 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel update From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Especially until ADS-B gets figured out, the way to go for traffic is to get a dedicated on-board traffic sensor, so you control your own destiny. Talk to your favorite Avidyne dealer about the updated TAS600 products, brought on board with our merger with Ryan International last month. Only $9990 gets you an ACTIVE traffic system with audio voice call-outs of traffic. http://www.avidyne.com/products/tas600.shtm TDT 40025 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Panel update Today's my birthday, so my wife reminded me that I already got my present for the next few years. Along with this decade's Christmas presents. Attached is a photo. With the engine stuff almost wrapped up, it's time for me to get the panel and airframe wired, as that's the last major remaining task. Over the past few days, I silkscreened my panel (highly recommended if you do it yourself), and then clearcoated it with clear and a flattening agent to prevent glare. It looks pretty nice. I thought I'd send the most recent picture. Some of you might notice that there's a CDI installed now. There's a story to this... As with most aviation vendors, it seems, there's been the usual hype regarding functionality, and when the actual stuff shows up, it's not exactly as it was said earlier. In this case, the GNS480 turns out to not be as well-integrated into the Chelton scheme as was said. The SL-30 does just about everything, and is an ideal radio for integration. The GNS480 though, needs to have some work done before it'll integrate. The #1 integration lacking is the CDI display. The Chelton can take in the 430/530 type communications, but apparently when Garmin bought the CNX-80, all development stopped. Therefore the 480 isn't capable of speaking the same language. On the same token, the engineers at Chelton aren't ready to try to decode what the 480 IS capable of. So, no CDI. I know I could use the built-in CDI, but for absolute legality and redundancy and full-function for flying all approaches, I decided just to put the external CDI in. I had previously saved the space for just this occasion. Yes, from the sounds of it, if they had enough call from customers to get the development motivated to integrate the 480, it could be done. A call to Garmin verified that it should be able to display the remote CDI indication, if it were able to understand the communication. Supposedly it would be similar to integrating a Sandel 3308. Garmin did also say that development isn't finished the 480, and new features that might make it more "integratable" might come down the pipeline, but apparently it's also on their back burner right now too. In addition, it was said that to make the 480 integrate, you need an Arinc to serial converter. Well, as it turns out, the converter is currently going to be useless in helping the 480. What it IS needed for is integrating the traffic display from the 330 Transponder. So, I'll be adding one. The downside though, is that it is now believed that the Chelton, if they put the engineering time into it, will be able to receive the traffic via serial output on the 330. So in the end, the converter may not be needed for anything, and full functionality may be available. For me, I will be very glad I bought the SL-30, and that you can display 2 NAV signals from the SL-30 on the screen, so the actual CDI display and remote tuning of the 480 are really not to big of a problem. And, I bought the converter so I can have traffic TODAY. But, ultimately I am guessing that I'll be looking for an ADS-B system in the next couple years anyway, so I know I'm throwing away a bit of cash from impatience. The sad part is that most everything people want, would be available, if everyone's engineering departments really wanted to get it done. I'll make sure I post things about the integration and wiring on my site. Hopefully I'll be able to have some good info that will help others in the future. The wiring headaches are about to begin. ;) -- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:41 AM PST US From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel update --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Thanks for the update on your panel and the energy you display to keep the list informed. Question ... what are the part numbers and purchase source for your analog 2 1/4" airspeed and altimeter? Thanks Jerry Grimmonpre' RV8A do not archive Subject: RV10-List: Panel update > I thought I'd send the most recent picture. Some of you > might notice that there's a CDI installed now. There's > a story to this... > -- > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:08 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Control stick Or, better yet, Van's could have cut the tubes at 45 degrees to each other and then weld them. This is what they did on the bottom socket that the stick plugs into. Then you could simply run the wire down the inside of the tube with ease. Thank You Ray Doerr 40250 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Subject: RE: RV10-List: Control stick Wow, that sucks. You think vans could put a hole in the sticks for wires before they weld them up. Makes me want to slice it off, drill a hole, and weld it back on. Hmm, might just do that or drill the hole and fill the hole in the vertical back up with flox or something. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage should be in the area! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rob kermanj Subject: RV10-List: Control stick Tim and Rick, here is the picture of the control stick. You might see the snap bushing used where the wires penetrate the bow shaped part of the control stick. The hole on the vertical part serves only as access hole. This is the best I could do, I hope it helps. Rob ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:35 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel update --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" Garmin has delayed WAAS for the 430/530 twice. From a computer standpoint I doubt they will ever be able to justify the ? millions extra to WAAS them. I expect that the reason they bought UPS was to get the 480. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel update > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > My take on it is this....(just an opinion that many would > not agree with maybe) > > I would rather have the 480, since it's an official and > legal WAAS capable box. I think every chelton system > really needs to have an SL-30 as it's the ultimate > Nav/Com to use with the Chelton. I think the 430/530 > would work better WITH the chelton than the 480 right > now, but without WAAS (yes, I know it's coming...at a cost) > I wouldn't bother with it. > > The other option that I really think would be even better > is this: Use the remote-mount Freeflight GPS. It's WAAS > legal and would basically feed the chelton instead > of the AHRS GPS. So you'd have true WAAS legal approaches > driven by the Chelton. It's also just over 1/2 the cost > of the 480. What you lose is a separate redundant GPS > for your panel....something some people wouldn't care about. > So that's where the 2nd radio comes in....you could use > either a 430/530/480 as that radio, use something > else, or even use a nice handheld like the Garmin 396, > or the AvMap....or you could just stick in an SL-40, > and live with single Nav, one GPS, save a TON of cash, > and have a nice handheld as a backup that you keep off > your panel....and make it available to back-seat passengers > as an entertainment device for watching where you are. > > There isn't really a "best" because each way has a downside. > That SL-30/SL-40/FreeFlight/Handheld option seems to give the > best redundancy and bang for the buck. With the SL-30/430 > you're losing WAAS, or paying premium for it later. > The SL-30/480 option I have, is actually a very good way to > get 2 reliable GPS navigation and flight planning systems, > and the cost is actually not at the highest end of the > options if you demand WAAS. It just means that you're > 480 isn't going to be very integrated. For me though, > I consider the 480 as being my "backup" to my system. > I'll fly 99% of the time with just the Chelton/SL-30. > Entering the approach into the 480 as I get time, just > as a reference. The downside is keeping track of how > to use 2 systems. Like I said though, there's > ALWAYS a downside....it just depends on your point of > view as to what you consider most critical. Hopefully, > the 480 will later be more integrated...which will > then leave few down sides. > > Wow, I typed more than I thought I would. Good thing > I'm supposedly listening to a conference call right now. ;) > > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 > > > Sean Stephens wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens >> >> So, are you saying the 430 is a better option to team up with the Chelton >> because the Chelton can integrate with the 430? >> >> Or, are you saying skipping a panel GPS and maybe having a handheld >> backup is the way to go when installing the Chelton? >> >> Thanks Tim... >> >> -Sean #40303 >> >> Tim Olson wrote: >> >>> Today's my birthday, so my wife reminded me that I already got >>> my present for the next few years. Along with this >>> decade's Christmas presents. Attached is a photo. >>> >>> With the engine stuff almost wrapped up, it's time for me to >>> get the panel and airframe wired, as that's the last major >>> remaining task. Over the past few days, I silkscreened my >>> panel (highly recommended if you do it yourself), and then >>> clearcoated it with clear and a flattening agent to prevent >>> glare. It looks pretty nice. >>> >>> I thought I'd send the most recent picture. Some of you >>> might notice that there's a CDI installed now. There's >>> a story to this... >>> >>> As with most aviation vendors, it seems, there's been the >>> usual hype regarding functionality, and when the actual >>> stuff shows up, it's not exactly as it was said earlier. >>> >>> In this case, the GNS480 turns out to not be as well-integrated >>> into the Chelton scheme as was said. The SL-30 does just >>> about everything, and is an ideal radio for integration. >>> The GNS480 though, needs to have some work done before it'll >>> integrate. The #1 integration lacking is the CDI display. >>> The Chelton can take in the 430/530 type communications, but >>> apparently when Garmin bought the CNX-80, all development >>> stopped. Therefore the 480 isn't capable of speaking the same >>> language. On the same token, the engineers at Chelton aren't >>> ready to try to decode what the 480 IS capable of. So, >>> no CDI. I know I could use the built-in CDI, but for absolute >>> legality and redundancy and full-function for flying all >>> approaches, I decided just to put the external CDI in. I >>> had previously saved the space for just this occasion. Yes, >>> from the sounds of it, if they had enough call from customers >>> to get the development motivated to integrate the 480, it >>> could be done. A call to Garmin verified that it should >>> be able to display the remote CDI indication, if it were able >>> to understand the communication. Supposedly it would be >>> similar to integrating a Sandel 3308. Garmin did also say >>> that development isn't finished the 480, and new features >>> that might make it more "integratable" might come down >>> the pipeline, but apparently it's also on their back >>> burner right now too. >>> >>> In addition, it was said that to make the 480 integrate, >>> you need an Arinc to serial converter. Well, as it turns >>> out, the converter is currently going to be useless in >>> helping the 480. What it IS needed for is integrating the >>> traffic display from the 330 Transponder. So, I'll be adding >>> one. The downside though, is that it is now believed that >>> the Chelton, if they put the engineering time into it, >>> will be able to receive the traffic via serial output on >>> the 330. So in the end, the converter may not be needed >>> for anything, and full functionality may be available. >>> >>> For me, I will be very glad I bought the SL-30, and that you >>> can display 2 NAV signals from the SL-30 on the screen, so >>> the actual CDI display and remote tuning of the 480 are >>> really not to big of a problem. And, I bought the converter >>> so I can have traffic TODAY. But, ultimately I am guessing >>> that I'll be looking for an ADS-B system in the next couple >>> years anyway, so I know I'm throwing away a bit of cash >>> from impatience. The sad part is that most everything >>> people want, would be available, if everyone's engineering >>> departments really wanted to get it done. >>> >>> I'll make sure I post things about the integration and wiring >>> on my site. Hopefully I'll be able to have some good info >>> that will help others in the future. The wiring headaches >>> are about to begin. ;) >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:02 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel update --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Cough, gag, cough cough.... "Only" $9990? Doug P, to answer your question in your post, no, I haven't investigated anything. I don't know that they're a cheap or transponder way into the ADS-B realm yet. I just figure that my 330 will be sold eventually and replaced with something else, once the market comes to a *reasonable* price of maybe $2500. TDT, man, you crack me up! ;) Great products, though. Tim Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" > > > > Especially until ADS-B gets figured out, the way to go for traffic is to > get a dedicated on-board traffic sensor, so you control your own > destiny. Talk to your favorite Avidyne dealer about the updated TAS600 > products, brought on board with our merger with Ryan International last > month. Only $9990 gets you an ACTIVE traffic system with audio voice > call-outs of traffic. > http://www.avidyne.com/products/tas600.shtm > > > > > TDT > 40025 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:14 AM > To: RV10 > Subject: RV10-List: Panel update > > Today's my birthday, so my wife reminded me that I already got > my present for the next few years. Along with this > decade's Christmas presents. Attached is a photo. > > With the engine stuff almost wrapped up, it's time for me to > get the panel and airframe wired, as that's the last major > remaining task. Over the past few days, I silkscreened my > panel (highly recommended if you do it yourself), and then > clearcoated it with clear and a flattening agent to prevent > glare. It looks pretty nice. > > I thought I'd send the most recent picture. Some of you > might notice that there's a CDI installed now. There's > a story to this... > > As with most aviation vendors, it seems, there's been the > usual hype regarding functionality, and when the actual > stuff shows up, it's not exactly as it was said earlier. > > In this case, the GNS480 turns out to not be as well-integrated > into the Chelton scheme as was said. The SL-30 does just > about everything, and is an ideal radio for integration. > The GNS480 though, needs to have some work done before it'll > integrate. The #1 integration lacking is the CDI display. > The Chelton can take in the 430/530 type communications, but > apparently when Garmin bought the CNX-80, all development > stopped. Therefore the 480 isn't capable of speaking the same > language. On the same token, the engineers at Chelton aren't > ready to try to decode what the 480 IS capable of. So, > no CDI. I know I could use the built-in CDI, but for absolute > legality and redundancy and full-function for flying all > approaches, I decided just to put the external CDI in. I > had previously saved the space for just this occasion. Yes, > from the sounds of it, if they had enough call from customers > to get the development motivated to integrate the 480, it > could be done. A call to Garmin verified that it should > be able to display the remote CDI indication, if it were able > to understand the communication. Supposedly it would be > similar to integrating a Sandel 3308. Garmin did also say > that development isn't finished the 480, and new features > that might make it more "integratable" might come down > the pipeline, but apparently it's also on their back > burner right now too. > > In addition, it was said that to make the 480 integrate, > you need an Arinc to serial converter. Well, as it turns > out, the converter is currently going to be useless in > helping the 480. What it IS needed for is integrating the > traffic display from the 330 Transponder. So, I'll be adding > one. The downside though, is that it is now believed that > the Chelton, if they put the engineering time into it, > will be able to receive the traffic via serial output on > the 330. So in the end, the converter may not be needed > for anything, and full functionality may be available. > > For me, I will be very glad I bought the SL-30, and that you > can display 2 NAV signals from the SL-30 on the screen, so > the actual CDI display and remote tuning of the 480 are > really not to big of a problem. And, I bought the converter > so I can have traffic TODAY. But, ultimately I am guessing > that I'll be looking for an ADS-B system in the next couple > years anyway, so I know I'm throwing away a bit of cash > from impatience. The sad part is that most everything > people want, would be available, if everyone's engineering > departments really wanted to get it done. > > I'll make sure I post things about the integration and wiring > on my site. Hopefully I'll be able to have some good info > that will help others in the future. The wiring headaches > are about to begin. ;) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:20 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel update --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson No problem, Jerry. I got the indicators from SteinAir, and you're in luck...I just put the p/n and s/n info into my palm last night, so I even have the part numbers. Altimeter P/N 5-410-20 ASI P/N 16-211-200 One other dandy thing....I think I did talk to the UMA guys at OSH, and they can take the airspeed indicator and screen in the color ranges for you if you want...I think it costs extra. I'm still contemplating if I want to bother or not, since my EFIS will have that info. It would be nice to do it now, but at present, I can't actually tell with any 100% certainty what the stall speeds are. I suppose with the granularity of the instrument though, it probably wouldn't make much difference if it were off a small amount. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 Jerry Grimmonpre wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" > > Thanks for the update on your panel and the energy you display to keep > the list informed. > > Question ... what are the part numbers and purchase source for your > analog 2 1/4" airspeed and altimeter? > Thanks > Jerry Grimmonpre' RV8A do not archive > > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:14 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Panel update > > >> I thought I'd send the most recent picture. Some of you >> might notice that there's a CDI installed now. There's >> a story to this... >> -- >> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 >> > > > ------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:43 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel update From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" I knew I'd been working in the avionics industry too long when we got a new FMS for an aircraft that I work with for my Air Force Reserve duty, and I said, "Only $60,000 for an FMS - THAT'S NOT BAD!" : ) TDT Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel update --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Cough, gag, cough cough.... "Only" $9990? Doug P, to answer your question in your post, no, I haven't investigated anything. I don't know that they're a cheap or transponder way into the ADS-B realm yet. I just figure that my 330 will be sold eventually and replaced with something else, once the market comes to a *reasonable* price of maybe $2500. TDT, man, you crack me up! ;) Great products, though. Tim Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" > > > > Especially until ADS-B gets figured out, the way to go for traffic is to > get a dedicated on-board traffic sensor, so you control your own > destiny. Talk to your favorite Avidyne dealer about the updated TAS600 > products, brought on board with our merger with Ryan International last > month. Only $9990 gets you an ACTIVE traffic system with audio voice > call-outs of traffic. > http://www.avidyne.com/products/tas600.shtm > > > > > TDT > 40025 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:14 AM > To: RV10 > Subject: RV10-List: Panel update > > Today's my birthday, so my wife reminded me that I already got > my present for the next few years. Along with this > decade's Christmas presents. Attached is a photo. > > With the engine stuff almost wrapped up, it's time for me to > get the panel and airframe wired, as that's the last major > remaining task. Over the past few days, I silkscreened my > panel (highly recommended if you do it yourself), and then > clearcoated it with clear and a flattening agent to prevent > glare. It looks pretty nice. > > I thought I'd send the most recent picture. Some of you > might notice that there's a CDI installed now. There's > a story to this... > > As with most aviation vendors, it seems, there's been the > usual hype regarding functionality, and when the actual > stuff shows up, it's not exactly as it was said earlier. > > In this case, the GNS480 turns out to not be as well-integrated > into the Chelton scheme as was said. The SL-30 does just > about everything, and is an ideal radio for integration. > The GNS480 though, needs to have some work done before it'll > integrate. The #1 integration lacking is the CDI display. > The Chelton can take in the 430/530 type communications, but > apparently when Garmin bought the CNX-80, all development > stopped. Therefore the 480 isn't capable of speaking the same > language. On the same token, the engineers at Chelton aren't > ready to try to decode what the 480 IS capable of. So, > no CDI. I know I could use the built-in CDI, but for absolute > legality and redundancy and full-function for flying all > approaches, I decided just to put the external CDI in. I > had previously saved the space for just this occasion. Yes, > from the sounds of it, if they had enough call from customers > to get the development motivated to integrate the 480, it > could be done. A call to Garmin verified that it should > be able to display the remote CDI indication, if it were able > to understand the communication. Supposedly it would be > similar to integrating a Sandel 3308. Garmin did also say > that development isn't finished the 480, and new features > that might make it more "integratable" might come down > the pipeline, but apparently it's also on their back > burner right now too. > > In addition, it was said that to make the 480 integrate, > you need an Arinc to serial converter. Well, as it turns > out, the converter is currently going to be useless in > helping the 480. What it IS needed for is integrating the > traffic display from the 330 Transponder. So, I'll be adding > one. The downside though, is that it is now believed that > the Chelton, if they put the engineering time into it, > will be able to receive the traffic via serial output on > the 330. So in the end, the converter may not be needed > for anything, and full functionality may be available. > > For me, I will be very glad I bought the SL-30, and that you > can display 2 NAV signals from the SL-30 on the screen, so > the actual CDI display and remote tuning of the 480 are > really not to big of a problem. And, I bought the converter > so I can have traffic TODAY. But, ultimately I am guessing > that I'll be looking for an ADS-B system in the next couple > years anyway, so I know I'm throwing away a bit of cash > from impatience. The sad part is that most everything > people want, would be available, if everyone's engineering > departments really wanted to get it done. > > I'll make sure I post things about the integration and wiring > on my site. Hopefully I'll be able to have some good info > that will help others in the future. The wiring headaches > are about to begin. ;) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:18 AM PST US From: "Bruce Case" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cogsdill burraway questions --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bruce Case" I use the Avery speed deburring handle and enjoy the process, one crank and your done. Bruce Case, #446 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj Merrill" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cogsdill burraway questions > --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill > > Am I the only one deburring by hand? > > -Dj > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:55 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Control stick Maybe someone should help them out with a suggestion.... I'm not there yet, so don't really have a clue, but let's pass on as much advice to Van's as possible. John Jessen ~328 Do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R [NTK] Subject: RE: RV10-List: Control stick Or, better yet, Van's could have cut the tubes at 45 degrees to each other and then weld them. This is what they did on the bottom socket that the stick plugs into. Then you could simply run the wire down the inside of the tube with ease. Thank You Ray Doerr 40250 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Subject: RE: RV10-List: Control stick Wow, that sucks. You think vans could put a hole in the sticks for wires before they weld them up. Makes me want to slice it off, drill a hole, and weld it back on. Hmm, might just do that or drill the hole and fill the hole in the vertical back up with flox or something. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage should be in the area! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rob kermanj Subject: RV10-List: Control stick Tim and Rick, here is the picture of the control stick. You might see the snap bushing used where the wires penetrate the bow shaped part of the control stick. The hole on the vertical part serves only as access hole. This is the best I could do, I hope it helps. Rob ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:22 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel update From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" That's true. UMA has the book values for the RV-10, so you can just tell them "give me the RV-10 speeds" and they can do it. Just make it clear to SteinAir or Wicks, or whoever you order it through, so they can pass that on. I think it's about $45 or so for the silk screen. TDT 40025 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel update --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson No problem, Jerry. I got the indicators from SteinAir, and you're in luck...I just put the p/n and s/n info into my palm last night, so I even have the part numbers. Altimeter P/N 5-410-20 ASI P/N 16-211-200 One other dandy thing....I think I did talk to the UMA guys at OSH, and they can take the airspeed indicator and screen in the color ranges for you if you want...I think it costs extra. I'm still contemplating if I want to bother or not, since my EFIS will have that info. It would be nice to do it now, but at present, I can't actually tell with any 100% certainty what the stall speeds are. I suppose with the granularity of the instrument though, it probably wouldn't make much difference if it were off a small amount. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 Jerry Grimmonpre wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" > > Thanks for the update on your panel and the energy you display to keep > the list informed. > > Question ... what are the part numbers and purchase source for your > analog 2 1/4" airspeed and altimeter? > Thanks > Jerry Grimmonpre' RV8A do not archive > > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:14 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Panel update > > >> I thought I'd send the most recent picture. Some of you >> might notice that there's a CDI installed now. There's >> a story to this... >> -- >> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 >> > > > ------- ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:34 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel update From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" That's not too bad, it's only slightly more than a small European car. HA! :-D Wish I had access to their stuff though. When you gonna talk them into a Chelton style experimental offering. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel update --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Cough, gag, cough cough.... "Only" $9990? Doug P, to answer your question in your post, no, I haven't investigated anything. I don't know that they're a cheap or transponder way into the ADS-B realm yet. I just figure that my 330 will be sold eventually and replaced with something else, once the market comes to a *reasonable* price of maybe $2500. TDT, man, you crack me up! ;) Great products, though. Tim Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" > --> > > > Especially until ADS-B gets figured out, the way to go for traffic is > to get a dedicated on-board traffic sensor, so you control your own > destiny. Talk to your favorite Avidyne dealer about the updated > TAS600 products, brought on board with our merger with Ryan > International last month. Only $9990 gets you an ACTIVE traffic > system with audio voice call-outs of traffic. > http://www.avidyne.com/products/tas600.shtm > > > > > TDT > 40025 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:14 AM > To: RV10 > Subject: RV10-List: Panel update > > Today's my birthday, so my wife reminded me that I already got my > present for the next few years. Along with this decade's Christmas > presents. Attached is a photo. > > With the engine stuff almost wrapped up, it's time for me to get the > panel and airframe wired, as that's the last major > remaining task. Over the past few days, I silkscreened my > panel (highly recommended if you do it yourself), and then clearcoated > it with clear and a flattening agent to prevent glare. It looks > pretty nice. > > I thought I'd send the most recent picture. Some of you might notice > that there's a CDI installed now. There's a story to this... > > As with most aviation vendors, it seems, there's been the usual hype > regarding functionality, and when the actual stuff shows up, it's not > exactly as it was said earlier. > > In this case, the GNS480 turns out to not be as well-integrated into > the Chelton scheme as was said. The SL-30 does just about everything, > and is an ideal radio for integration. > The GNS480 though, needs to have some work done before it'll > integrate. The #1 integration lacking is the CDI display. > The Chelton can take in the 430/530 type communications, but > apparently when Garmin bought the CNX-80, all development stopped. > Therefore the 480 isn't capable of speaking the same language. On the > same token, the engineers at Chelton aren't ready to try to decode > what the 480 IS capable of. So, no CDI. I know I could use the > built-in CDI, but for absolute legality and redundancy and > full-function for flying all approaches, I decided just to put the > external CDI in. I had previously saved the space for just this > occasion. Yes, from the sounds of it, if they had enough call from > customers to get the development motivated to integrate the 480, it > could be done. A call to Garmin verified that it should be able to > display the remote CDI indication, if it were able to understand the > communication. Supposedly it would be similar to integrating a Sandel > 3308. Garmin did also say that development isn't finished the 480, > and new features that might make it more "integratable" might come > down the pipeline, but apparently it's also on their back burner right > now too. > > In addition, it was said that to make the 480 integrate, you need an > Arinc to serial converter. Well, as it turns out, the converter is > currently going to be useless in helping the 480. What it IS needed > for is integrating the traffic display from the 330 Transponder. So, > I'll be adding one. The downside though, is that it is now believed > that the Chelton, if they put the engineering time into it, will be > able to receive the traffic via serial output on the 330. So in the > end, the converter may not be needed for anything, and full > functionality may be available. > > For me, I will be very glad I bought the SL-30, and that you can > display 2 NAV signals from the SL-30 on the screen, so the actual CDI > display and remote tuning of the 480 are really not to big of a > problem. And, I bought the converter so I can have traffic TODAY. > But, ultimately I am guessing that I'll be looking for an ADS-B system > in the next couple years anyway, so I know I'm throwing away a bit of > cash > from impatience. The sad part is that most everything > people want, would be available, if everyone's engineering departments > really wanted to get it done. > > I'll make sure I post things about the integration and wiring on my > site. Hopefully I'll be able to have some good info that will help > others in the future. The wiring headaches are about to begin. ;) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:32 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Overhead Lights & Speaker From: "Conti, Rick" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" What is/has everyone done for overhead lighting and a speaker? Thank You Rick Conti Senior Engineering Manager The Boeing Company office: 703 - 414 - 6141 blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:03 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Control stick Rob, Doesn't look like the picture was attached. Thank You Rick Conti office: 703-414-6141 cell: 571-215-6134 ________________________________ From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) [mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net] Subject: RE: RV10-List: Control stick Wow, that sucks. You think vans could put a hole in the sticks for wires before they weld them up. Makes me want to slice it off, drill a hole, and weld it back on. Hmm, might just do that or drill the hole and fill the hole in the vertical back up with flox or something. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage should be in the area! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rob kermanj Subject: RV10-List: Control stick Tim and Rick, here is the picture of the control stick. You might see the snap bushing used where the wires penetrate the bow shaped part of the control stick. The hole on the vertical part serves only as access hole. This is the best I could do, I hope it helps. Rob ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:57 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: OAT From: "Conti, Rick" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" I am installing the Blue Mountain EFIS. Any recommendations on an OAT probe? Thank You Rick Conti Senior Engineering Manager The Boeing Company office: 703 - 414 - 6141 blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:11 PM PST US From: rob kermanj Subject: Re: RV10-List: Control stick Rick, here it is again: Rob. =EF=BF=BC On Dec 7, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Conti, Rick wrote: > Rob, > > > Doesn=E2=80=99t look like the picture was attached. > > > Thank You > Rick Conti > office: 703-414-6141 > cell: 571-215-6134 > > From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) [mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 6:24 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Control stick > > > Wow, that sucks. You think vans could put a hole in the sticks > for wires before they weld them up. Makes me want to slice it off, > drill a hole, and weld it back on. Hmm, might just do that or > drill the hole and fill the hole in the vertical back up with flox > or something. > > Michael Sausen > -10 #352 Fuselage should be in the area! > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rob kermanj > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 4:16 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Control stick > > Tim and Rick, here is the picture of the control stick. You might > see the snap bushing used where the wires penetrate the bow shaped > part of the control stick. The hole on the vertical part serves > only as access hole. This is the best I could do, I hope it helps. > > Rob > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:07 PM PST US From: Jim Wade Subject: Re: RV10-List: OAT <31DA4D6E997EF24BA2E0F10B2A39768A10F320@XCH-NE-1V2.ne.nos.boeing.com> If you are talking about where to get one, use BMA,s. If you are asking where to mount it, drill a hole in the NACA vent and epoxy it there. I am using Blue Mountain also. Jim 40383 -------Original Message------- From: Conti, Rick Subject: RV10-List: OAT --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" I am installing the Blue Mountain EFIS. Any recommendations on an OAT probe? Thank You Rick Conti Senior Engineering Manager The Boeing Company office: 703 - 414 - 6141 blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:08 PM PST US From: "Robert G. Wright" Subject: RE: RV10-List: OAT I'm not an aeronautical eng guy, but don't NACA vents work off the Bernoulli principle? If so, when the air gets "vacuumed" into the vent, the pressure and temperature both decrease, which would cause a lower than actual reading. Of course, maybe it would offset the friction heating of the air passing across the airframe at the higher speeds that the RV-10 goes. Replies would be great, because that's a nice out-of-the-way place to put the probe if it's sound. Rob #392 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wade Subject: Re: RV10-List: OAT If you are talking about where to get one, use BMA,s. If you are asking where to mount it, drill a hole in the NACA vent and epoxy it there. I am using Blue Mountain also. Jim 40383 -------Original Message------- From: Conti, Rick Subject: RV10-List: OAT --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" I am installing the Blue Mountain EFIS. Any recommendations on an OAT probe? Thank You Rick Conti Senior Engineering Manager The Boeing Company office: 703 - 414 - 6141 blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:46 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: OAT --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen Every NACA duct mounted OAT on certified fuselages has resulted in excessively high readings, due to engine heat. Robert G. Wright wrote: > Im not an aeronautical eng guy, but dont NACA vents work off the > Bernoulli principle? If so, when the air gets vacuumed into the > vent, the pressure and temperature both decrease, which would cause a > lower than actual reading. Of course, maybe it would offset the > friction heating of the air passing across the airframe at the higher > speeds that the RV-10 goes > > Replies would be great, because thats a nice out-of-the-way place to > put the probe if its sound. > > Rob > > #392 > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Wade > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:31 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: OAT > > If you are talking about where to get one, use BMA,s. If you are > asking where to mount it, drill a hole in the NACA vent and epoxy it > there. I am using Blue Mountain also. > > Jim > > 40383 > > /-------Original Message-------/ > > */From:/* Conti, Rick > > */Date:/* 12/07/05 13:05:16 > > */To:/* RV 10 > > */Subject:/* RV10-List: OAT > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" > > > I am installing the Blue Mountain EFIS. Any recommendations on an OAT > > probe? > > Thank You > > Rick Conti > > Senior Engineering Manager > > The Boeing Company > > office: 703 - 414 - 6141 > > blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:23 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: OAT --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson I've always heard a good place is under the wing, out of the sun and the propwash and exhaust wash. I'm thinking of putting mine into that first inspection panel on the wing out from the wing root. Or, perhaps just drilling a hole into the skin next to that area for accessibility. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE Robert G. Wright wrote: > Im not an aeronautical eng guy, but dont NACA vents work off the > Bernoulli principle? If so, when the air gets vacuumed into the vent, > the pressure and temperature both decrease, which would cause a lower > than actual reading. Of course, maybe it would offset the friction > heating of the air passing across the airframe at the higher speeds that > the RV-10 goes > > Replies would be great, because thats a nice out-of-the-way place to > put the probe if its sound. > > Rob > > #392 > > > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Wade > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:31 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: OAT > > > > If you are talking about where to get one, use BMA,s. If you are asking > where to mount it, drill a hole in the NACA vent and epoxy it there. I > am using Blue Mountain also. > > Jim > > 40383 > > > > /-------Original Message-------/ > > > > */From:/* Conti, Rick > > */Date:/* 12/07/05 13:05:16 > > */To:/* RV 10 > > */Subject:/* RV10-List: OAT > > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" > > > > > I am installing the Blue Mountain EFIS. Any recommendations on an OAT > > probe? > > > > Thank You > > Rick Conti > > Senior Engineering Manager > > The Boeing Company > > office: 703 - 414 - 6141 > > blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:29 PM PST US From: "Richard Sipp" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel update --> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" Ti & list: Once again I think we are on the same page...great minds or something like that. For a lot of the reasons you listed including a budget I went with: 2 screen Chelton with Freeflight WAAS reciever SL 30 Nav Com Sl 40 Com 327 transponder PSE 7000 audio panel TruTrak 2.25 ADI VM 1000C engine monitor This should allow filing as a /G aircraft and the ability to legally fly any GPS approach including the new LPVs. As much as I would have liked a 430 or 480 I could not justify the expense of two FMS type navigators when the Chelton already has such good flight management software. Also it did not appear that the two (480/430-Chelton) would talk to each other with respect to editing flight plans. I already have a 396 which I think I will semi permanently mount on the tunnel. This will be a back up navigator and weather source. In general I tried to include the minimum equipment necessary (plus good backups) to suppliment the Chelton based system. While the Chelton is expensive, if you consider all it does and then price what you need to duplicate it with other combinations you end up very near the same price. I have used a VM1000 in the 4 for years and like it so I went with their new version again. Five years ago I never would have dreamed one could get this kind of functionality for the relatively reasonable price it can had for today. Best regards Dick Sipp 40065 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:14 PM PST US From: "John Testement" Subject: RV10-List: Fuse Wiring I am about to close up the fuse floor panels and want to be sure I have taken care of all wiring that needs t be planned for now. My current plan is to run a Vans 3/4" conduit down each side from the tail to the mid side panel for misc. wiring (autopilot, trim, nav light, +12s, static air lines, etc) and any future additions. I plan to run the strobe wires and com antenna wires separately. And I plan to run the battery + and ground to the firewall with 2awg Perihelion cable through separate bushings. What do I need to be aware of in general? Which side of the fuse should the main battery wires go? On what side of the firewall will the starter contactor go? What route should the wires take through the side panels (along the top, bottom, other)? Where should I route the wires to? - will there be connectors for all panel wires or should I leave some of them long to go right to the instrument/radio? If connectors are used between the panel, where will they go and what type is preferred? Do I go over or through the main center spar? What else can you tell me that will help at this stage? Any photos would be great. Thank you in advance for answers to any or all of the questions (I know this is a long list) John Testement jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Finishing QB wings, working on QB fuse ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:06 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuse Wiring --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson I'd consider using larger than 3/4" conduit. Starter contactor goes forward side of the firewall. Nothing that I knwo of goes through the main center spar. Tim Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE John Testement wrote: > I am about to close up the fuse floor panels and want to be sure I have > taken care of all wiring that needs t be planned for now. My current > plan is to run a Vans 3/4" conduit down each side from the tail to the > mid side panel for misc. wiring (autopilot, trim, nav light, +12s, > static air lines, etc) and any future additions. I plan to run the > strobe wires and com antenna wires separately. And I plan to run the > battery + and ground to the firewall with 2awg Perihelion cable through > separate bushings. > > What do I need to be aware of in general? Which side of the fuse should > the main battery wires go? On what side of the firewall will the starter > contactor go? What route should the wires take through the side panels > (along the top, bottom, other)? Where should I route the wires to? - > will there be connectors for all panel wires or should I leave some of > them long to go right to the instrument/radio? If connectors are used > between the panel, where will they go and what type is preferred? Do I > go over or through the main center spar? What else can you tell me that > will help at this stage? Any photos would be great. > > Thank you in advance for answers to any or all of the questions (I know > this is a long list) > > > John Testement > jwt@roadmapscoaching.com > 40321 > Finishing QB wings, working on QB fuse > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:32 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: OAT From: "John W. Cox" --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" Kelly, not all NACA ducts on Certifieds are mounted on engine cowls, so are you saying it could be compressed air generated heat by the faster airflow? Raytheon has just a few models and I've flown a few Cessnas where that was not the case. Maybe it's those extra knots generated by using a less drag inducing appendage than a 1950's style pickup air duct. John - KUAO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: OAT --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen Every NACA duct mounted OAT on certified fuselages has resulted in excessively high readings, due to engine heat. Robert G. Wright wrote: > I'm not an aeronautical eng guy, but don't NACA vents work off the > Bernoulli principle? If so, when the air gets "vacuumed" into the > vent, the pressure and temperature both decrease, which would cause a > lower than actual reading. Of course, maybe it would offset the > friction heating of the air passing across the airframe at the higher > speeds that the RV-10 goes... > > Replies would be great, because that's a nice out-of-the-way place to > put the probe if it's sound. > > Rob > > #392 > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:15 PM PST US From: "DejaVu" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuse Wiring --> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" Starter contactor on fwd L/H side of firewall to be exact. There will be a few wires going to your flap motor which is aft of the spar in the tunnel. You could run these through the top of the spar or take a turn immediately aft of the spar to either side. Anh #141 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuse Wiring > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > I'd consider using larger than 3/4" conduit. > > Starter contactor goes forward side of the firewall. > Nothing that I knwo of goes through the main center spar. > > Tim > > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > John Testement wrote: >> I am about to close up the fuse floor panels and want to be sure I have >> taken care of all wiring that needs t be planned for now. My current plan >> is to run a Vans 3/4" conduit down each side from the tail to the mid >> side panel for misc. wiring (autopilot, trim, nav light, +12s, static air >> lines, etc) and any future additions. I plan to run the strobe wires and >> com antenna wires separately. And I plan to run the battery + and ground >> to the firewall with 2awg Perihelion cable through separate bushings. >> What do I need to be aware of in general? Which side of the fuse should >> the main battery wires go? On what side of the firewall will the starter >> contactor go? What route should the wires take through the side panels >> (along the top, bottom, other)? Where should I route the wires to? - will >> there be connectors for all panel wires or should I leave some of them >> long to go right to the instrument/radio? If connectors are used between >> the panel, where will they go and what type is preferred? Do I go over or >> through the main center spar? What else can you tell me that will help at >> this stage? Any photos would be great. >> Thank you in advance for answers to any or all of the questions (I know >> this is a long list) >> John Testement >> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com >> 40321 >> Finishing QB wings, working on QB fuse >> >> > > >