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1. 02:33 AM - Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps (Chris)
2. 02:35 AM - Re: Fuse Wiring (rob kermanj)
3. 03:55 AM - Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps (Scott Lewis)
4. 04:37 AM - Re: OAT (Kelly McMullen)
5. 11:20 AM - Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps (Indran Chelvanayagam)
6. 11:37 AM - Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps (William)
7. 11:44 AM - Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
8. 11:59 AM - Re: Pre-Oiler (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
9. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
10. 12:39 PM - Re: Pre-Oiler (Tim Dawson-Townsend [mailto)
11. 02:30 PM - Re: Pre-Oiler (Tim Olson)
12. 03:15 PM - Re: Overhead Lights & Speaker (Jesse Saint)
13. 03:37 PM - Re: Overhead Lights & Speaker (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
14. 05:18 PM - Re: Pre-Oiler (linn walters)
15. 05:32 PM - Re: Overhead Lights & Speaker (bob.kaufmann)
16. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps (Chris)
17. 08:56 PM - Re: Overhead Lights & Speaker (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
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| Subject: | Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris" <toaster73@earthlink.net>
So why do we need locking fuel caps? Is it for contamination concerns?
People stealing the cap for their own plane? I just have never heard of
fuel/tank related thievery.
-ChrisL
#40072
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Lewis" <rv10@tpg.com.au>
Subject: RV10-List: Deluxe Fuel Caps
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
>
> G'day all,
>
> Several weeks ago I threw out a question asking for feedback on the Deluxe
> Fuel Caps available from Van's. I got a couple of responses, but the
> overall dearth of interest I took to mean that almost no-one has them.
>
> So . . . . . . now that I have the caps in my hot little hands, I thought
> I would throw out a PIREP for anyone searching for the answer to the same
> question in future.
>
> Straight out of the box the Deluxe Caps look nicer than the standards with
> a more polished appearance. The dimensions of both are the same with the
> exception of the diameter of the filler neck, which is less on the deluxe
> caps due to the locking mechanism. The flange on the deluxe caps has a
> curve machined into it, so there is no need for any flange bending. That
> being said, the curve is a little too tight to fit the RV-10 tank skins
> well, I would imagine it would fit the other model's tanks much better.
> Nothing a bit of Proseal can't fill in any case.
>
> The standard caps have no separate locking mechanism. They are held in
> with the seal, which is formed by squeezing an O-Ring, forcing it outwards
> against the filler neck. I have seen a number of people report fuel leaks
> from around this seal.
> The deluxe caps have a two stage mechanism. The lowering of the clip
> presses the O-Ring at the top of the cap down against the angled wall of
> the filler neck, forming a more positive seal. With the clip up (and seal
> released) the cap is still held in, though it is loose. The cap is
> released by turning the clip 45 degrees, at which point the caps easily
> lifts out (as opposed to the force required to pull out the standard cap).
> The deluxe caps also can come with a key lock which is hidden below the
> clip.
>
> Overall all I am very impressed with these caps and very glad I bought
> them. Besides the fact they are just better, I think the ability to lock
> them is valuable in this day and age (unfortunately). Yes, they cost
> significantly more than the standard caps, but compared to the amount of
> money we are sinking into these aircraft . . . . . . . .
>
> I will be uploading some pictures into the Photoshare which hopefully will
> clarify some of my babble from above!!
>
> Have fun all,
> Scott Lewis
> RV-10 40172
> Adelaide, South Australia
>
>
>
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John, I recommend that you buy the wiring plans from Van. It answers
most of your questions and shows one way of wiring the plane along
with wire sizes, penetrations and attachments. It is a good place to
start. You will then need to plan your avionics' wiring and any
additional equipment to go along with it.
Rob.
On Dec 7, 2005, at 10:48 PM, John Testement wrote:
> I am about to close up the fuse floor panels and want to be sure I
> have taken care of all wiring that needs t be planned for now. My
> current plan is to run a Vans 3/4" conduit down each side from the
> tail to the mid side panel for misc. wiring (autopilot, trim, nav
> light, +12s, static air lines, etc) and any future additions. I
> plan to run the strobe wires and com antenna wires separately. And
> I plan to run the battery + and ground to the firewall with 2awg
> Perihelion cable through separate bushings.
>
> What do I need to be aware of in general? Which side of the fuse
> should the main battery wires go? On what side of the firewall will
> the starter contactor go? What route should the wires take through
> the side panels (along the top, bottom, other)? Where should I
> route the wires to? - will there be connectors for all panel wires
> or should I leave some of them long to go right to the instrument/
> radio? If connectors are used between the panel, where will they go
> and what type is preferred? Do I go over or through the main center
> spar? What else can you tell me that will help at this stage? Any
> photos would be great.
>
> Thank you in advance for answers to any or all of the questions (I
> know this is a long list)
>
> John Testement
> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
> 40321
> Finishing QB wings, working on QB fuse
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
G'day,
Chris wrote:
> So why do we need locking fuel caps? Is it for contamination concerns?
> People stealing the cap for their own plane? I just have never heard of
> fuel/tank related thievery.
> -ChrisL
> #40072
I have, several times.
1) When this was discussed a few weeks ago one guy came back with the
story of some idiots putting sugar into fuel tanks.
2) A few years ago a Lancair was parked at the field I learnt to fly
from. Overnight someone came and drained the tanks, probably into their
car. Next day the owner and a friend headed off in the early morning,
ran out of fuel on climb out, crashed and died. Sure, they should have
checked the tanks in their pre-flight, but it happened none-the-less.
3) I have also heard from other pilots of fuel disappearing from their
tanks overnight. Even if nothing nasty happens, I would be pissed if
someone stole $300+ of fuel from my tanks.
In my mind, it is cheap insurance. You only need to save one tank worth
of fuel for the caps to have paid for themselves. The same question
could be asked - Why do you have locking fuel caps on your car?
Have fun,
Scott Lewis
RV-10 40172
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
The common NACA duct on the side of fuselage on planes such as Mooneys
is behind the cowl, opposite where your knee is located, providing
cooling air to pilot on one side and radios from the other side. A temp
probe in either one will run about 5 degrees high, and they are at least
1 ft behind the firewall location. Apparently engine cooling air coming
out the bottom hugs the sides of the fuselage pretty well.
John W. Cox wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
>Kelly, not all NACA ducts on Certifieds are mounted on engine cowls, so
>are you saying it could be compressed air generated heat by the faster
>airflow? Raytheon has just a few models and I've flown a few Cessnas
>where that was not the case. Maybe it's those extra knots generated by
>using a less drag inducing appendage than a 1950's style pickup air
>duct.
>
>John - KUAO
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
>McMullen
>Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:24 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: OAT
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
>
>Every NACA duct mounted OAT on certified fuselages has resulted in
>excessively high readings, due to engine heat.
>
>Robert G. Wright wrote:
>
>
>
>>I'm not an aeronautical eng guy, but don't NACA vents work off the
>>Bernoulli principle? If so, when the air gets "vacuumed" into the
>>vent, the pressure and temperature both decrease, which would cause a
>>lower than actual reading. Of course, maybe it would offset the
>>friction heating of the air passing across the airframe at the higher
>>speeds that the RV-10 goes...
>>
>>Replies would be great, because that's a nice out-of-the-way place to
>>put the probe if it's sound.
>>
>>Rob
>>
>>#392
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Deluxe Fuel Caps |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Indran Chelvanayagam" <ichelva@netspace.net.au>
Sorry to be the devil's advocate - I do like the idea of locking fuel caps
as a deterrent, but if someone really wanted to steal your fuel, they would
simply use the fuel drain.
Indran Chelvanayagam
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Lewis
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Deluxe Fuel Caps
--> RV10-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
G'day,
Chris wrote:
> So why do we need locking fuel caps? Is it for contamination concerns?
> People stealing the cap for their own plane? I just have never heard
> of fuel/tank related thievery.
> -ChrisL
> #40072
I have, several times.
1) When this was discussed a few weeks ago one guy came back with the story
of some idiots putting sugar into fuel tanks.
2) A few years ago a Lancair was parked at the field I learnt to fly from.
Overnight someone came and drained the tanks, probably into their car. Next
day the owner and a friend headed off in the early morning, ran out of fuel
on climb out, crashed and died. Sure, they should have checked the tanks in
their pre-flight, but it happened none-the-less.
3) I have also heard from other pilots of fuel disappearing from their tanks
overnight. Even if nothing nasty happens, I would be pissed if someone
stole $300+ of fuel from my tanks.
In my mind, it is cheap insurance. You only need to save one tank worth of
fuel for the caps to have paid for themselves. The same question could be
asked - Why do you have locking fuel caps on your car?
Have fun,
Scott Lewis
RV-10 40172
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| Subject: | Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps |
>In my mind, it is cheap insurance. You only need to save one
>tank worth of fuel for the caps to have paid for themselves.
>The same question could be asked - Why do you have locking fuel
> caps on your car?
While locking gas tank caps can be useful in preventing someone from putting something
(malicious) INTO the tank, unless you can also get locking fuel drains,
is seems futile from preventing someone from taking fuel OUT of the tanks.
William Curtis
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps |
In a message dated 12/8/2005 7:08:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rv10@tpg.com.au writes:
You only need to save one tank worth
of fuel for the caps to have paid for themselves.
If i wanted to steal fuel from a plane, i would open the quick drain at
the bottom of the tank, and put a funnel and gas can underneath. Check y9our
fuel level, dont rely on the locking caps for keeping it in the tank. The
locking caps only prevent adding bad stuff to the top of the tank.
Steve
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Anybody putting in an engine pre-oiler?
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Deluxe Fuel Caps
In a message dated 12/8/2005 7:08:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rv10@tpg.com.au writes:
You only need to save one tank worth
of fuel for the caps to have paid for themselves.
If i wanted to steal fuel from a plane, i would open the quick drain
at the bottom of the tank, and put a funnel and gas can underneath.
Check y9our fuel level, dont rely on the locking caps for keeping it in
the tank. The locking caps only prevent adding bad stuff to the top of
the tank.
Steve
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps |
IF it stops someone from putting something bad in the tank then it is
worth it. As for preventing theft, yes you can use the sump, which would
be slow, unless you take out the valve. But more importantly, most
people walking around don't know about sumping the fuel, it is a
specific thing you have been exposed too, think back to before you flew,
did you know there was another way to get fuel out of a plane other than
the gas cap? Sure after you were shown, or watched someone else, but the
general public really does not know about it, so you would minimize the
number of people who would know how to steal it.
Just my .20
Dan
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps
>In my mind, it is cheap insurance. You only need to save one
>tank worth of fuel for the caps to have paid for themselves.
>The same question could be asked - Why do you have locking fuel
> caps on your car?
While locking gas tank caps can be useful in preventing someone from
putting something (malicious) INTO the tank, unless you can also get
locking fuel drains, is seems futile from preventing someone from taking
fuel OUT of the tanks.
William Curtis
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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Yes. I have received it, but not installed it. I was surprised how
much it weighs. But the value out weighs the weight.
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
________________________________
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Pre-Oiler
Anybody putting in an engine pre-oiler?
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Deluxe Fuel Caps
In a message dated 12/8/2005 7:08:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rv10@tpg.com.au writes:
You only need to save one tank worth
of fuel for the caps to have paid for themselves.
If i wanted to steal fuel from a plane, i would open the quick drain
at the bottom of the tank, and put a funnel and gas can underneath.
Check y9our fuel level, dont rely on the locking caps for keeping it in
the tank. The locking caps only prevent adding bad stuff to the top of
the tank.
Steve
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
What kind of cost, and what brand/model?
Tim
do not archive
Conti, Rick wrote:
> Yes. I have received it, but not installed it. I was surprised how
> much it weighs. But the value out weighs the weight.
>
>
>
> */Thank You/*
> */Rick Conti/*
> */o/**/ffice: 703-414-6141/*
> */ cell: 571-215-6134/*
>
>
> *From:* Tim Dawson-Townsend [mailto:Tdawson@avidyne.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:00 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Pre-Oiler
>
>
>
> Anybody putting in an engine pre-oiler?
>
>
>
> TDT
>
> 40025
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:44 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Deluxe Fuel Caps
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/8/2005 7:08:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> rv10@tpg.com.au writes:
>
> You only need to save one tank worth
> of fuel for the caps to have paid for themselves.
>
> If i wanted to steal fuel from a plane, i would open the quick drain
> at the bottom of the tank, and put a funnel and gas can underneath.
> Check y9our fuel level, dont rely on the locking caps for keeping it in
> the tank. The locking caps only prevent adding bad stuff to the top of
> the tank.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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| Subject: | Overhead Lights & Speaker |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Nothing, but when you figure it out, please send pictures!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Fax: 815-377-3694
I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC,
please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me,
please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has
voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RV10-List: Overhead Lights & Speaker
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
What is/has everyone done for overhead lighting and a speaker?
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
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| Subject: | Overhead Lights & Speaker |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Speaker? That's pretty "old school" . . .
We'll probably glue some LED lights up there and bury the wires under
the headliner . . .
TDT
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Overhead Lights & Speaker
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Nothing, but when you figure it out, please send pictures!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Fax: 815-377-3694
I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC,
please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to
me,
please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it
has
voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RV10-List: Overhead Lights & Speaker
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
What is/has everyone done for overhead lighting and a speaker?
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
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Conti, Rick wrote:
> Yes. I have received it, but not installed it. I was surprised how
> much it weighs. But the value out weighs the weight.
>
Just wondering Rick ..... what value???
Linn
do not archive
>
>
> Thank You
> Rick Conti
> office: 703-414-6141
> cell: 571-215-6134
>
>
> From: Tim Dawson-Townsend [mailto:Tdawson@avidyne.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Pre-Oiler
>
>
>
> Anybody putting in an engine pre-oiler?
>
>
>
> TDT
>
> 40025
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:44 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Deluxe Fuel Caps
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/8/2005 7:08:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> rv10@tpg.com.au writes:
>
> You only need to save one tank worth
> of fuel for the caps to have paid for themselves.
>
> If i wanted to steal fuel from a plane, i would open the quick
> drain at the bottom of the tank, and put a funnel and gas can
> underneath. Check y9our fuel level, dont rely on the locking caps for
> keeping it in the tank. The locking caps only prevent adding bad
> stuff to the top of the tank.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Overhead Lights & Speaker |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
I put the red disco ball slightly behind the passenger and the blue disco
ball between the rear seats. The 16 inch JBL speakers are going to be
mounted in the rear deck. Trying to figure out where to put the Dual 1219
turntable with the Mark 5 Type II improved cartridge.
Bob K
RV104BK
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| Subject: | Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps |
I am just stirrin the pot....
:>)
Chris
#40072
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Lloyd, Daniel R.
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps
IF it stops someone from putting something bad in the tank then it is worth it.
As for preventing theft, yes you can use the sump, which would be slow, unless
you take out the valve. But more importantly, most people walking around don't
know about sumping the fuel, it is a specific thing you have been exposed
too, think back to before you flew, did you know there was another way to get
fuel out of a plane other than the gas cap? Sure after you were shown, or watched
someone else, but the general public really does not know about it, so you
would minimize the number of people who would know how to steal it.
Just my .20
Dan
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:37 PM
To: RV10-List@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps
>In my mind, it is cheap insurance. You only need to save one
>tank worth of fuel for the caps to have paid for themselves.
>The same question could be asked - Why do you have locking fuel
> caps on your car?
While locking gas tank caps can be useful in preventing someone from putting
something (malicious) INTO the tank, unless you can also get locking fuel drains,
is seems futile from preventing someone from taking fuel OUT of the tanks.
William Curtis
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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Rightous!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of bob.kaufmann
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Overhead Lights & Speaker
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
I put the red disco ball slightly behind the passenger and the blue disco
ball between the rear seats. The 16 inch JBL speakers are going to be
mounted in the rear deck. Trying to figure out where to put the Dual 1219
turntable with the Mark 5 Type II improved cartridge.
Bob K
RV104BK
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