---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/09/05: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:06 AM - Re: Overhead Lights & Speaker (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto) 2. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 3. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps (Bill and Tami Britton) 4. 07:41 AM - Dimpling table question (Bill and Tami Britton) 5. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 6. 09:40 AM - Re: Dimpling table question (Dean Van Winkle) 7. 10:21 AM - Re: Dimpling table question (John Jessen) 8. 10:41 AM - Re: Dimpling table question (Chris Johnston) 9. 11:45 AM - Re: Dimpling table question (pictures) (Bill and Tami Britton) 10. 12:44 PM - Re: Dimpling table question (Bruce Case) 11. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto) 12. 05:52 PM - Re: Van's SPAM?? (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 13. 06:08 PM - Re: Dimpling table question (Russell Daves) 14. 07:07 PM - pre oilers (James Baldwin) 15. 07:34 PM - Re: Dimpling table comments (David Boone) 16. 07:35 PM - Re: Dimpling table question (Richard Sipp) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:01 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Overhead Lights & Speaker Bet you could get some nice 10" subs in the rear bulkhead cover. LMAO ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: Overhead Lights & Speaker Rightous! TDT do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of bob.kaufmann Subject: RE: RV10-List: Overhead Lights & Speaker --> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" I put the red disco ball slightly behind the passenger and the blue disco ball between the rear seats. The 16 inch JBL speakers are going to be mounted in the rear deck. Trying to figure out where to put the Dual 1219 turntable with the Mark 5 Type II improved cartridge. Bob K RV104BK ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:01 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Incidentally, I believe the big plus to the "deluxe" caps is that they are easier to open and seal better. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage inventorying ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps I am just stirrin the pot.... :>) Chris #40072 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Lloyd, Daniel R. To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps IF it stops someone from putting something bad in the tank then it is worth it. As for preventing theft, yes you can use the sump, which would be slow, unless you take out the valve. But more importantly, most people walking around don't know about sumping the fuel, it is a specific thing you have been exposed too, think back to before you flew, did you know there was another way to get fuel out of a plane other than the gas cap? Sure after you were shown, or watched someone else, but the general public really does not know about it, so you would minimize the number of people who would know how to steal it. Just my .20 Dan ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:37 PM To: RV10-List@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps =09 =09 >In my mind, it is cheap insurance. You only need to save one >tank worth of fuel for the caps to have paid for themselves. >The same question could be asked - Why do you have locking fuel > caps on your car? =09 While locking gas tank caps can be useful in preventing someone from putting something (malicious) INTO the tank, unless you can also get locking fuel drains, is seems futile from preventing someone from taking fuel OUT of the tanks. =09 William Curtis http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:40 AM PST US spamd2.ruraltel.net * -4.0 RCVD_FROM_NEXTECH_8 Message came from 65.167.220-223.x network * 0.1 HTML_50_60 BODY: Message is 50% to 60% HTML * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message * -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% From: "Bill and Tami Britton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps I don't have the deluxe caps yet but I agree with Michael. If they seal better, then to me, it's worth it. Also, like was stated before, how many non-aviation related people actually know about tank strainers and drains??? If someone wants to steal your fuel and they see a locking cap then chances are they'll move on to the next plane. The main advantage I can see is that they will definitely eliminate someone from "doctoring" your fuel. I can always look into my tanks to see if someone has stolen fuel but it's hard to tell by looking if someone has "spiked" it!!!!! I know they cost a little more but it's a very small percentage of the total cost of what we are trying to achieve---a real, flying plane!!! Not trying to start any debates, just tossing around ideas. I know I will have these caps on my plane (unless there's something better when I'm ready for them). However, to each his/her own!!! Bill Britton RV-10 Elevators deburred, ready for dimpling Wings still in their box on the floor ----- Original Message ----- From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:05 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps Incidentally, I believe the big plus to the "deluxe" caps is that they are easier to open and seal better. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage inventorying From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:19 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps I am just stirrin the pot.... :>) Chris #40072 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Lloyd, Daniel R. To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps IF it stops someone from putting something bad in the tank then it is worth it. As for preventing theft, yes you can use the sump, which would be slow, unless you take out the valve. But more importantly, most people walking around don't know about sumping the fuel, it is a specific thing you have been exposed too, think back to before you flew, did you know there was another way to get fuel out of a plane other than the gas cap? Sure after you were shown, or watched someone else, but the general public really does not know about it, so you would minimize the number of people who would know how to steal it. Just my .20 Dan From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:37 PM To: RV10-List@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps >In my mind, it is cheap insurance. You only need to save one >tank worth of fuel for the caps to have paid for themselves. >The same question could be asked - Why do you have locking fuel > caps on your car? While locking gas tank caps can be useful in preventing someone from putting something (malicious) INTO the tank, unless you can also get locking fuel drains, is seems futile from preventing someone from taking fuel OUT of the tanks. William Curtis http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:15 AM PST US spamd4.ruraltel.net * -4.0 RCVD_FROM_NEXTECH_8 Message came from 65.167.220-223.x network * 0.1 HTML_50_60 BODY: Message is 50% to 60% HTML * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message * -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% From: "Bill and Tami Britton" Subject: RV10-List: Dimpling table question OK, I've got 2 tables. They measure about 2' X 5 ' each. I plan on building a little structure between the two of them to hold my dimpler so the sides of the skins are supported when dimpling. My question is this: is it better to have the dimplier centered in the middle of the tables or just put on the edge of the table??? maybe it doesn't matter at all. I just want to do it right the first time. Any opinions??? Bill Britton RV-10 Elevator deburred ready for dimpling Wings still in their boxes on the floor ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:18 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" How hard to "retrofit" the locking caps if your wings are already complete? TDT do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Bill and Tami Britton Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps I don't have the deluxe caps yet but I agree with Michael. If they seal better, then to me, it's worth it. Also, like was stated before, how many non-aviation related people actually know about tank strainers and drains??? If someone wants to steal your fuel and they see a locking cap then chances are they'll move on to the next plane. The main advantage I can see is that they will definitely eliminate someone from "doctoring" your fuel. I can always look into my tanks to see if someone has stolen fuel but it's hard to tell by looking if someone has "spiked" it!!!!! I know they cost a little more but it's a very small percentage of the total cost of what we are trying to achieve---a real, flying plane!!! Not trying to start any debates, just tossing around ideas. I know I will have these caps on my plane (unless there's something better when I'm ready for them). However, to each his/her own!!! Bill Britton RV-10 Elevators deburred, ready for dimpling Wings still in their box on the floor ----- Original Message ----- From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:05 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps Incidentally, I believe the big plus to the "deluxe" caps is that they are easier to open and seal better. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage inventorying ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:19 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps =09 =09 I am just stirrin the pot.... :>) Chris #40072 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Lloyd, Daniel R. To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps IF it stops someone from putting something bad in the tank then it is worth it. As for preventing theft, yes you can use the sump, which would be slow, unless you take out the valve. But more importantly, most people walking around don't know about sumping the fuel, it is a specific thing you have been exposed too, think back to before you flew, did you know there was another way to get fuel out of a plane other than the gas cap? Sure after you were shown, or watched someone else, but the general public really does not know about it, so you would minimize the number of people who would know how to steal it. Just my .20 Dan ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:37 PM To: RV10-List@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps =09 =09 >In my mind, it is cheap insurance. You only need to save one >tank worth of fuel for the caps to have paid for themselves. >The same question could be asked - Why do you have locking fuel > caps on your car? =09 While locking gas tank caps can be useful in preventing someone from putting something (malicious) INTO the tank, unless you can also get locking fuel drains, is seems futile from preventing someone from taking fuel OUT of the tanks. =09 William Curtis http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:38 AM PST US From: "Dean Van Winkle" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dimpling table question Bill and Tami I recommend putting the dimpler between the two tables with the male dimple die on the bottom and the. top surface of the male die level with the table surfaces. You definitely want to have the skins supported for some distance on either side of the dimpler to avoid skin distortions. With the Avery C-Frame, I also always hold the female die firmly down against the skin before striking the shaft. Thinner skins especially, are subject to unwanted distortion if not resting on the male die when struck. Dean Van Winkle RV-9A Fuselage/Finish ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill and Tami Britton To: RV10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: RV10-List: Dimpling table question OK, I've got 2 tables. They measure about 2' X 5 ' each. I plan on building a little structure between the two of them to hold my dimpler so the sides of the skins are supported when dimpling. My question is this: is it better to have the dimplier centered in the middle of the tables or just put on the edge of the table??? maybe it doesn't matter at all. I just want to do it right the first time. Any opinions??? Bill Britton RV-10 Elevator deburred ready for dimpling Wings still in their boxes on the floor ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:48 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Dimpling table question Pictures pictures pictures, if at all possible. Thanks in advance. john jessen ~328 do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean Van Winkle Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dimpling table question Bill and Tami I recommend putting the dimpler between the two tables with the male dimple die on the bottom and the. top surface of the male die level with the table surfaces. You definitely want to have the skins supported for some distance on either side of the dimpler to avoid skin distortions. With the Avery C-Frame, I also always hold the female die firmly down against the skin before striking the shaft. Thinner skins especially, are subject to unwanted distortion if not resting on the male die when struck. Dean Van Winkle RV-9A Fuselage/Finish ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill and Tami Britton Subject: RV10-List: Dimpling table question OK, I've got 2 tables. They measure about 2' X 5 ' each. I plan on building a little structure between the two of them to hold my dimpler so the sides of the skins are supported when dimpling. My question is this: is it better to have the dimplier centered in the middle of the tables or just put on the edge of the table??? maybe it doesn't matter at all. I just want to do it right the first time. Any opinions??? Bill Britton RV-10 Elevator deburred ready for dimpling Wings still in their boxes on the floor ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:43 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Dimpling table question From: "Chris Johnston" I actually put the entire dimpler in the middle of one of my tables, then I can move other tables around it as I see fit. Now working on the wings, I have 4 tables, and it's pretty handy. Makes it easier for some of the bigger skins. And it's removable. I just drilled a hole for the lower dimpling extension to come up from below, and it sets the die at a nice height to work at. Some pics here... http://supercj.bizland.com/archives/2005/07/elevators_3.html cj #40410 wings www.perfectlygoodairplane.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean Van Winkle Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dimpling table question Bill and Tami I recommend putting the dimpler between the two tables with the male dimple die on the bottom and the. top surface of the male die level with the table surfaces. You definitely want to have the skins supported for some distance on either side of the dimpler to avoid skin distortions. With the Avery C-Frame, I also always hold the female die firmly down against the skin before striking the shaft. Thinner skins especially, are subject to unwanted distortion if not resting on the male die when struck. Dean Van Winkle RV-9A Fuselage/Finish ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill and Tami Britton To: RV10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: RV10-List: Dimpling table question OK, I've got 2 tables. They measure about 2' X 5 ' each. I plan on building a little structure between the two of them to hold my dimpler so the sides of the skins are supported when dimpling. My question is this: is it better to have the dimplier centered in the middle of the tables or just put on the edge of the table??? maybe it doesn't matter at all. I just want to do it right the first time. Any opinions??? Bill Britton RV-10 Elevator deburred ready for dimpling Wings still in their boxes on the floor ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:45:20 AM PST US spamd3.ruraltel.net * -4.0 RCVD_FROM_NEXTECH_5 Message came from 204.96.144-152.x network * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message * -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% From: "Bill and Tami Britton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dimpling table question (pictures) Click on the link below for pictures. http://www.kitlog.com/mykitlog/display_project.php?project_id15 Bill Britton ----- Original Message ----- From: John Jessen To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Dimpling table question Pictures pictures pictures, if at all possible. Thanks in advance. john jessen ~328 do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:14 PM PST US From: "Bruce Case" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dimpling table question Bill, Your centered design should work well, you will be swinging skins around a bunch to be able to reach all the holes conveniently. You are definitely are going to enjoy the dimpler you purchased it is so much nicer to use than clubbing the skins with a hammer. Bruce Case, #446 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill and Tami Britton To: RV10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: RV10-List: Dimpling table question OK, I've got 2 tables. They measure about 2' X 5 ' each. I plan on building a little structure between the two of them to hold my dimpler so the sides of the skins are supported when dimpling. My question is this: is it better to have the dimplier centered in the middle of the tables or just put on the edge of the table??? maybe it doesn't matter at all. I just want to do it right the first time. Any opinions??? Bill Britton RV-10 Elevator deburred ready for dimpling Wings still in their boxes on the floor ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:52 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps Some one was just talking about this on one of the lists. ACS carries retrofits from the same company that makes ours. I believe there are two types, one gets a new neck prosealed into the existing flange and the other is just the cap that will fit existing if there are no dings in it. Should be listed as retrofit for the RV series in their catalog. Michael ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps How hard to "retrofit" the locking caps if your wings are already complete? TDT do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Bill and Tami Britton Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps I don't have the deluxe caps yet but I agree with Michael. If they seal better, then to me, it's worth it. Also, like was stated before, how many non-aviation related people actually know about tank strainers and drains??? If someone wants to steal your fuel and they see a locking cap then chances are they'll move on to the next plane. The main advantage I can see is that they will definitely eliminate someone from "doctoring" your fuel. I can always look into my tanks to see if someone has stolen fuel but it's hard to tell by looking if someone has "spiked" it!!!!! I know they cost a little more but it's a very small percentage of the total cost of what we are trying to achieve---a real, flying plane!!! Not trying to start any debates, just tossing around ideas. I know I will have these caps on my plane (unless there's something better when I'm ready for them). However, to each his/her own!!! Bill Britton RV-10 Elevators deburred, ready for dimpling Wings still in their box on the floor ----- Original Message ----- From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:05 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps Incidentally, I believe the big plus to the "deluxe" caps is that they are easier to open and seal better. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage inventorying ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:19 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps =09 =09 I am just stirrin the pot.... :>) Chris #40072 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Lloyd, Daniel R. To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps IF it stops someone from putting something bad in the tank then it is worth it. As for preventing theft, yes you can use the sump, which would be slow, unless you take out the valve. But more importantly, most people walking around don't know about sumping the fuel, it is a specific thing you have been exposed too, think back to before you flew, did you know there was another way to get fuel out of a plane other than the gas cap? Sure after you were shown, or watched someone else, but the general public really does not know about it, so you would minimize the number of people who would know how to steal it. Just my .20 Dan ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:37 PM To: RV10-List@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps =09 =09 >In my mind, it is cheap insurance. You only need to save one >tank worth of fuel for the caps to have paid for themselves. >The same question could be asked - Why do you have locking fuel > caps on your car? =09 While locking gas tank caps can be useful in preventing someone from putting something (malicious) INTO the tank, unless you can also get locking fuel drains, is seems futile from preventing someone from taking fuel OUT of the tanks. =09 William Curtis http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:24 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: RE: Van's SPAM?? From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Did anyone else get a strange email from Tom Green at Van's? No text and a strange attachment of unknown file type. I wonder if he's got some spam virus . . . TDT 40025 do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps Some one was just talking about this on one of the lists. ACS carries retrofits from the same company that makes ours. I believe there are two types, one gets a new neck prosealed into the existing flange and the other is just the cap that will fit existing if there are no dings in it. Should be listed as retrofit for the RV series in their catalog. Michael ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps How hard to "retrofit" the locking caps if your wings are already complete? TDT do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Bill and Tami Britton Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps I don't have the deluxe caps yet but I agree with Michael. If they seal better, then to me, it's worth it. Also, like was stated before, how many non-aviation related people actually know about tank strainers and drains??? If someone wants to steal your fuel and they see a locking cap then chances are they'll move on to the next plane. The main advantage I can see is that they will definitely eliminate someone from "doctoring" your fuel. I can always look into my tanks to see if someone has stolen fuel but it's hard to tell by looking if someone has "spiked" it!!!!! I know they cost a little more but it's a very small percentage of the total cost of what we are trying to achieve---a real, flying plane!!! Not trying to start any debates, just tossing around ideas. I know I will have these caps on my plane (unless there's something better when I'm ready for them). However, to each his/her own!!! Bill Britton RV-10 Elevators deburred, ready for dimpling Wings still in their box on the floor ----- Original Message ----- From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:05 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps Incidentally, I believe the big plus to the "deluxe" caps is that they are easier to open and seal better. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage inventorying ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:19 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps =09 =09 I am just stirrin the pot.... :>) Chris #40072 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Lloyd, Daniel R. To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps IF it stops someone from putting something bad in the tank then it is worth it. As for preventing theft, yes you can use the sump, which would be slow, unless you take out the valve. But more importantly, most people walking around don't know about sumping the fuel, it is a specific thing you have been exposed too, think back to before you flew, did you know there was another way to get fuel out of a plane other than the gas cap? Sure after you were shown, or watched someone else, but the general public really does not know about it, so you would minimize the number of people who would know how to steal it. Just my .20 Dan ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:37 PM To: RV10-List@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps =09 =09 >In my mind, it is cheap insurance. You only need to save one >tank worth of fuel for the caps to have paid for themselves. >The same question could be asked - Why do you have locking fuel > caps on your car? =09 While locking gas tank caps can be useful in preventing someone from putting something (malicious) INTO the tank, unless you can also get locking fuel drains, is seems futile from preventing someone from taking fuel OUT of the tanks. =09 William Curtis http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:19 PM PST US From: "Russell Daves" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dimpling table question Here is a picture of mine. It is a single table and it worked great as I set it up. You can see how the VS opposite side skin is off the table and as I worked up the row of rivet holes the opposite side skin slid along under the edge of the table. Russ Daves N710RV (RV-10 Reserved - Fuselage on main gear) N65RV (RV-6A Sold) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill and Tami Britton To: RV10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: RV10-List: Dimpling table question OK, I've got 2 tables. They measure about 2' X 5 ' each. I plan on building a little structure between the two of them to hold my dimpler so the sides of the skins are supported when dimpling. My question is this: is it better to have the dimplier centered in the middle of the tables or just put on the edge of the table??? maybe it doesn't matter at all. I just want to do it right the first time. Any opinions??? Bill Britton RV-10 Elevator deburred ready for dimpling Wings still in their boxes on the floor ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:37 PM PST US From: James Baldwin Subject: RV10-List: pre oilers --> RV10-List message posted by: James Baldwin RV10 guys - The automotive racing world has been using accumulators for a long time for both pre oiling before start and for temporary interuption of pressure supply. Look at a Jeg's or smilar catalog and you'll see what is avail. n electric selector or manual selector valve is your choice. A long way from needing it but that is what I'll be doing for my Harmon Rocket. JBB ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:13 PM PST US From: "David Boone" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dimpling table comments Great Legs!!! David Boone ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Daves To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dimpling table question Here is a picture of mine. It is a single table and it worked great as I set it up. You can see how the VS opposite side skin is off the table and as I worked up the row of rivet holes the opposite side skin slid along under the edge of the table. Russ Daves N710RV (RV-10 Reserved - Fuselage on main gear) N65RV (RV-6A Sold) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill and Tami Britton To: RV10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: RV10-List: Dimpling table question OK, I've got 2 tables. They measure about 2' X 5 ' each. I plan on building a little structure between the two of them to hold my dimpler so the sides of the skins are supported when dimpling. My question is this: is it better to have the dimplier centered in the middle of the tables or just put on the edge of the table??? maybe it doesn't matter at all. I just want to do it right the first time. Any opinions??? Bill Britton RV-10 Elevator deburred ready for dimpling Wings still in their boxes on the floor ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:56 PM PST US From: "Richard Sipp" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dimpling table question Bill, I would think putting the dimpler in between the tables will work fine 90% of the time. You will quickly find ways to manuver the skin as necessary. As long as you have one of the models of the dimpler with a 2 foot or so throat you'll have no problems. Dick Sipp 40065 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill and Tami Britton To: RV10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: RV10-List: Dimpling table question OK, I've got 2 tables. They measure about 2' X 5 ' each. I plan on building a little structure between the two of them to hold my dimpler so the sides of the skins are supported when dimpling. My question is this: is it better to have the dimplier centered in the middle of the tables or just put on the edge of the table??? maybe it doesn't matter at all. I just want to do it right the first time. Any opinions??? Bill Britton RV-10 Elevator deburred ready for dimpling Wings still in their boxes on the floor