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1. 03:57 AM - Re: pre oilers (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 07:27 AM - Re: pre oilers (Marcus Cooper)
3. 11:52 AM - Re: pre oilers (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 12:12 PM - [ Scott Lewis ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
5. 08:00 PM - Re: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps (Eric Panning)
6. 09:51 PM - Re: pre oilers (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
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I've been considering this also once I get to that point. The AMSOIL oilier looks fairly compact, but I can't find a weight for it. <http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/amk.aspx>
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 fuselage inventorying
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Baldwin
Subject: RV10-List: pre oilers
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Baldwin <jamesbaldwin@dc.rr.com>
RV10 guys -
The automotive racing world has been using accumulators for a long time for both
pre oiling before start and for temporary interuption of pressure supply. Look
at a Jeg's or smilar catalog and you'll see what is avail. n electric selector
or manual selector valve is your choice.
A long way from needing it but that is what I'll be doing for my Harmon Rocket.
JBB
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This seems like a great idea, I do have one question though. How do folks
plan to plumb a pre-oiler? I vaguely remember having to modify the sump on
the IO-540 C4B5 on my Skybolt for an inverted system. It seems like
something similar would be necessary unless you are using a remote oil
filter. Another concern would be where to feed the pressurized oil (again
in the absence of a remote oil filter setup). For an inverted system you
are also tied into the oil breather which I suspect would not be a useful
place to push oil prior to start and I don't know if pumping back into the
oil sump would do much good either.
Thanks,
Marcus
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: pre oilers
I've been considering this also once I get to that point. The AMSOIL oilier
looks fairly compact, but I can't find a weight for it.
<http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/amk.aspx>
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 fuselage inventorying
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Baldwin
Subject: RV10-List: pre oilers
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Baldwin <jamesbaldwin@dc.rr.com>
RV10 guys -
The automotive racing world has been using accumulators for a long time for
both pre oiling before start and for temporary interuption of pressure
supply. Look at a Jeg's or smilar catalog and you'll see what is avail. n
electric selector or manual selector valve is your choice.
A long way from needing it but that is what I'll be doing for my Harmon
Rocket. JBB
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Depending on the system you may, or may not, need to do something special. If
you look at the AMSOIL model it is a simple accumulator tank that is charged from
the system oil pressure and then released by a solenoid through the same line.
This would allow you to tap in anyplace where there is an unused port, oil
cooler line, or even the oil pressure sender.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage inventorying
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Marcus Cooper
Subject: RE: RV10-List: pre oilers
This seems like a great idea, I do have one question though. How do folks plan
to plumb a pre-oiler? I vaguely remember having to modify the sump on the IO-540
C4B5 on my Skybolt for an inverted system. It seems like something similar
would be necessary unless you are using a remote oil filter. Another concern
would be where to feed the pressurized oil (again in the absence of a remote
oil filter setup). For an inverted system you are also tied into the oil breather
which I suspect would not be a useful place to push oil prior to start
and I don't know if pumping back into the oil sump would do much good either.
Thanks,
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: pre oilers
I've been considering this also once I get to that point. The AMSOIL oilier looks fairly compact, but I can't find a weight for it. <http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/amk.aspx>
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 fuselage inventorying
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Baldwin
Subject: RV10-List: pre oilers
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Baldwin <jamesbaldwin@dc.rr.com>
RV10 guys -
The automotive racing world has been using accumulators for a long time for both
pre oiling before start and for temporary interuption of pressure supply. Look
at a Jeg's or smilar catalog and you'll see what is avail. n electric selector
or manual selector valve is your choice.
A long way from needing it but that is what I'll be doing for my Harmon Rocket.
JBB
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| Subject: | Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
I've put in the prosealed retrofit caps from Vans into
a new installation because I liked the look of them
and they are very secure. I think cost is 90 each
(ouch!). Biggest drawback is the entrance diameter is
further restricted. It is large enough for 100LL
nozzle but leaves less room for inspecting progress.
Cap sits nice and flush.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1134273224-396-519&browse=misc&product=retro-cap
If I had to do it again I would likely have gone with
the deluxe locking caps that have a new flange. I was
a little bit to far ahead on the left tank for that
option. Advantage would have been the opening is
larger.
Eric
--- "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
<rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote:
> Some one was just talking about this on one of the
> lists. ACS carries retrofits from the same company
> that makes ours. I believe there are two types, one
> gets a new neck prosealed into the existing flange
> and the other is just the cap that will fit existing
> if there are no dings in it.
>
> Should be listed as retrofit for the RV series in
> their catalog.
>
> Michael
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 10:58 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps
>
>
> How hard to "retrofit" the locking caps if your
> wings are already complete?
>
> TDT
>
> do not archive
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf
> of Bill and Tami Britton
> Sent: Fri 12/9/2005 10:35 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps
>
>
> I don't have the deluxe caps yet but I agree with
> Michael. If they seal better, then to me, it's
> worth it. Also, like was stated before, how many
> non-aviation related people actually know about tank
> strainers and drains??? If someone wants to steal
> your fuel and they see a locking cap then chances
> are they'll move on to the next plane. The main
> advantage I can see is that they will definitely
> eliminate someone from "doctoring" your fuel. I can
> always look into my tanks to see if someone has
> stolen fuel but it's hard to tell by looking if
> someone has "spiked" it!!!!!
>
> I know they cost a little more but it's a very small
> percentage of the total cost of what we are trying
> to achieve---a real, flying plane!!!
>
> Not trying to start any debates, just tossing around
> ideas. I know I will have these caps on my plane
> (unless there's something better when I'm ready for
> them). However, to each his/her own!!!
>
> Bill Britton
> RV-10 Elevators deburred, ready for dimpling
> Wings still in their box on the floor
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
> <mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:05 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps
>
> Incidentally, I believe the big plus to the
> "deluxe" caps is that they are easier to open and
> seal better.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Fuselage inventorying
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Chris
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:19 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps
>
>
> I am just stirrin the pot....
> :>)
> Chris
> #40072
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lloyd, Daniel R.
> <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:20 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps
>
> IF it stops someone from putting something bad in
> the tank then it is worth it. As for preventing
> theft, yes you can use the sump, which would be
> slow, unless you take out the valve. But more
> importantly, most people walking around don't know
> about sumping the fuel, it is a specific thing you
> have been exposed too, think back to before you
> flew, did you know there was another way to get fuel
> out of a plane other than the gas cap? Sure after
> you were shown, or watched someone else, but the
> general public really does not know about it, so you
> would minimize the number of people who would know
> how to steal it.
> Just my .20
> Dan
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of William
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:37 PM
> To: RV10-List@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Deluxe Fuel Caps
>
>
> >In my mind, it is cheap insurance. You only need
> to save one
> >tank worth of fuel for the caps to have paid for
> themselves.
> >The same question could be asked - Why do you
> have locking fuel
> > caps on your car?
>
> While locking gas tank caps can be useful in
> preventing someone from putting something
> (malicious) INTO the tank, unless you can also get
> locking fuel drains, is seems futile from preventing
> someone from taking fuel OUT of the tanks.
>
> William Curtis
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
>
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Infinity Aerospace (of stick grip fame) has one (scroll down their site): http://www.infinityaerospace.com/
And Spruce has one: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/proluber.php
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: pre oilers
I've been considering this also once I get to that point. The AMSOIL oilier looks fairly compact, but I can't find a weight for it. <http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/amk.aspx>
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 fuselage inventorying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Baldwin
Subject: RV10-List: pre oilers
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Baldwin <jamesbaldwin@dc.rr.com>
RV10 guys -
The automotive racing world has been using accumulators for a long time for both
pre oiling before start and for temporary interuption of pressure supply. Look
at a Jeg's or smilar catalog and you'll see what is avail. n electric selector
or manual selector valve is your choice.
A long way from needing it but that is what I'll be doing for my Harmon Rocket.
JBB
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