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1. 03:45 AM - Re: Re: Andair Fuel Valve extension (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 04:06 AM - Re: interior painting (rob kermanj)
3. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: Andair Fuel Valve extension (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
4. 08:19 AM - Re: alclad thickness (Mike Lauritsen - Work)
5. 11:37 AM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve extension (William)
6. 01:18 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve extension (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Andair Fuel Valve extension (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto)
8. 02:56 PM - Re: exterior paint over akzo epoxy primer? (Chris Johnston)
9. 04:51 PM - Re: alclad thickness (Richard Sipp)
10. 07:15 PM - Number 18 (Rene)
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| Subject: | RE: Andair Fuel Valve extension |
I have the FS20X7-T that is in a "Y" configuration. Not sure of the fit yet as
it is different from Tim and Bob's. It has the two 90's on it sending all lines
straight down in almost the same footprint as the trim ring.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Mid Fuse Bulkheads
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Andair Fuel Valve extension
Looking at the Andair site it would seem that the new FS20f7F (http://www.andair.co.uk/pdfs/FS20-5&7.pdf) with a 6 inch extension would be the ideal choice for the RV-10. This valve has 90 deg travel between left and right tank and female fittings on the sides and bottom. This would be a drop in replacement for the Weatherhead valve Vans provides in the kit. With the extension, all you would need is an AN824 Tee on the bottom, one port of the tee to the filter and the other to the pump and you are done.
The FS20f3F would also work but has a 180 degree trave between left and right tank.
I plan on using the FS20f5F. My Fuselage is scheduled to arrive in two weeks
so I'm a ways off from that stage.
William Curtis
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: interior painting |
See my comments below:
rob kermanj
rv10es@earthlink.net
On Dec 13, 2005, at 1:41 AM, Sean Blair wrote:
>
>
> I=92m currently constructing the fuselage and a few questions come to
> mind about painting.
>
>
> Is it best to paint items that will be visible during their initial
> construction or wait until the whole fuselage is constructed?
I chose to paint every piece before assembly. I realize that some
will get scratched during construction and need fixing. I thought
this might save me time at the end of the project when I may be more
anxious to fly. also it looks a little better.
>
>
> How tough is it to get at all angles to paint when the whole thing
> is constructed?
In my RV6, I painted the interior at the end of the project. I used
a very good quality (professional) air brush and got acceptable
results. An airbrush allows you to really get into nooks and
crannies. I now prefer to paint each piece prior to assembly.
>
>
> Regarding the firewall=85.since it is stainless, no paint, correct?
No paint on the fire wall is needed.
>
>
> Also no paint for the recess on the firewall?
Yep.
>
>
> Thanks for your advice in advance.
>
>
> Sean S. Blair
>
> #40225
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Andair Fuel Valve extension |
We had a slightly different configuration. The version you have will
solve the rudder cable clearance problem but not the SCAT clearance
issue which is why the extension is needed.
Bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Andair Fuel Valve extension
I have the FS20X7-T that is in a "Y" configuration. Not sure of the fit
yet as it is different from Tim and Bob's. It has the two 90's on it
sending all lines straight down in almost the same footprint as the trim
ring.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Mid Fuse Bulkheads
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Andair Fuel Valve extension
Looking at the Andair site it would seem that the new FS20f7F
(http://www.andair.co.uk/pdfs/FS20-5&7.pdf) with a 6 inch extension
would be the ideal choice for the RV-10. This valve has 90 deg travel
between left and right tank and female fittings on the sides and bottom.
This would be a drop in replacement for the Weatherhead valve Vans
provides in the kit. With the extension, all you would need is an AN824
Tee on the bottom, one port of the tee to the filter and the other to
the pump and you are done.
The FS20f3F would also work but has a 180 degree trave between left and
right tank. I plan on using the FS20f5F. My Fuselage is scheduled to
arrive in two weeks so I'm a ways off from that stage.
William Curtis
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | alclad thickness |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" <mike@cleavelandtool.com>
From memory, the Alclad is 10% of the total thickness ==> .025" skin would
have .0025" of pure Aluminum on each surface. If using the more aggressive
wheel (that Van recommends), I prime any spots that the wheel skuffs. If
using the softer wheel that is probably not necessary. However you will not
want to be trying to bring every little scratch back to a polish, when you
are done you will be scuffing it all up to paint it anyway.
Mike
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From: Chris Johnston [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Johnston
Subject: RE: RV10-List: alclad thickness
hey all -
i've got a quick question - how thick is the alclad on the skins? let's say
hypothetically that someone scuffed a skin with a scotchbrite pad and wished
they hadn't... can you polish it out back to the mirror finish? will that
completely remove the alclad corrosion protection? enquiring minds want to
know...
cj
#40410
wings
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | RE: Andair Fuel Valve extension |
That "-T" designation, is that the new 90 degree EF20 fitting from Andair or just
AN821 elbow?
See EF20 here: http://www.andair.co.uk/pages/fittings.shtml
While I am definitely sure that a FEMALE fitting is the way to go for the lower,
I'm still not sure which way to go with the side fittings, male or female.
I'd like to be able to minimize the number of AN fittings I'll have to add. These
new 90 degree (EF20) fittings turned rearward with the valve lowered and
a 6 inch extension may be ideal. Not sure there is enough room for this fitting
turned rearward with the FS20f7, but with the FS20f5 it would require only
a single 90 degree bend of the fuel lines (2 90 deg. bend with the FS20f3) into
the valve with only an AN818 nut and AN819 sleeve. So I guess I'm looking for
a FS20f5T or an FS20f5F.
<http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/9XOther/RV10FuelPlumb.pdf>
>I have the FS20X7-T that is in a "Y" configuration. Not sure
>of the fit yet as it is different from Tim and Bob's. It has
>the two 90's on it sending all lines straight down in almost the
> same footprint as the trim ring.
>
>Michael Sausen
>-10 #352 Mid Fuse Bulkheads
>
>
>>Subject: RE: Andair Fuel Valve extension
>>
>>
>>Looking at the Andair site it would seem that the new FS20f7F
>>http://www.andair.co.uk/pdfs/FS20-5&7.pdf) with a 6 inch extension
>>would be the ideal choice for the RV-10. This valve has 90 deg
>>travel between left and right tank and female fittings on the sides
>>and bottom. This would be a drop in replacement for the Weatherhead
>>valve Vans provides in the kit. With the extension, all you would
>>need is an AN824 Tee on the bottom, one port of the tee to the
>>filter and the other to the pump and you are done.
>>
>>The FS20f3F would also work but has a 180 degree trave between
>>left and right tank. I plan on using the FS20f5F. My Fuselage is
>>scheduled to arrive in two weeks so I'm a ways off from that stage.
>>
William Curtis
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | RE: Andair Fuel Valve extension |
It's the new 90 fitting.
Michael
do not archive
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From: William [mailto:wcurtis@core.com]
Subject: RE: Andair Fuel Valve extension
That "-T" designation, is that the new 90 degree EF20 fitting from Andair or just
AN821 elbow?
See EF20 here: http://www.andair.co.uk/pages/fittings.shtml
While I am definitely sure that a FEMALE fitting is the way to go for the lower,
I'm still not sure which way to go with the side fittings, male or female. I'd
like to be able to minimize the number of AN fittings I'll have to add. These
new 90 degree (EF20) fittings turned rearward with the valve lowered and a
6 inch extension may be ideal. Not sure there is enough room for this fitting
turned rearward with the FS20f7, but with the FS20f5 it would require only a single
90 degree bend of the fuel lines (2 90 deg. bend with the FS20f3) into the
valve with only an AN818 nut and AN819 sleeve. So I guess I'm looking for a
FS20f5T or an FS20f5F.
>I have the FS20X7-T that is in a "Y" configuration. Not sure
>of the fit yet as it is different from Tim and Bob's. It has
>the two 90's on it sending all lines straight down in almost the
> same footprint as the trim ring.
>
>Michael Sausen
>-10 #352 Mid Fuse Bulkheads
>
>
>>Subject: RE: Andair Fuel Valve extension
>>
>>
>>Looking at the Andair site it would seem that the new FS20f7F
>>http://www.andair.co.uk/pdfs/FS20-5&7.pdf) with a 6 inch extension
>>would be the ideal choice for the RV-10. This valve has 90 deg
>>travel between left and right tank and female fittings on the sides
>>and bottom. This would be a drop in replacement for the Weatherhead
>>valve Vans provides in the kit. With the extension, all you would
>>need is an AN824 Tee on the bottom, one port of the tee to the
>>filter and the other to the pump and you are done.
>>
>>The FS20f3F would also work but has a 180 degree trave between
>>left and right tank. I plan on using the FS20f5F. My Fuselage is
>>scheduled to arrive in two weeks so I'm a ways off from that stage.
>>
William Curtis
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | RE: Andair Fuel Valve extension |
What makes the Andair valve that much better than the one that comes with=20the
kit from Van's?
Do not archive
=20-----Original Message-----
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Andair Fuel Valve extension
It's the new 90 fitting.
Michael
do not archive
=20 _____
From: William [mailto:wcurtis@core.com]
Subject: RE: Andair Fuel Valve extension
That "-T" designation, is that the new 90 degree EF20 fitting from Andair=20or
just AN821 elbow?
See EF20 here: http://www.andair.co.uk/pages/fittings.shtml
While I am definitely sure that a FEMALE fitting is the way to go for the=20lower,
I'm still not sure which way to go with the side fittings, male=20or female.
I'd like to be able to minimize the number of AN fittings I'll have to add.
These new 90 degree (EF20) fittings turned rearward with=20the valve lowered
and a 6 inch extension may be ideal. Not sure there is enough room for this fitting
turned rearward with the FS20f7, but with=20the FS20f5 it would require
only a single 90 degree bend of the fuel lines (2 90 deg. bend with the FS20f3)
into the valve with only an AN818 nut and AN819 sleeve. So I guess I'm looking
for a FS20f5T or an FS20f5F.
>I have the FS20X7-T that is in a "Y" configuration. Not sure
>of the fit yet as it is different from Tim and Bob's. It has
>the two 90's on it sending all lines straight down in almost the
> same footprint as the trim ring.
>
>Michael Sausen
>-10 #352 Mid Fuse Bulkheads
>
>
>>Subject: RE: Andair Fuel Valve extension
>>
>>
>>Looking at the Andair site it would seem that the new FS20f7F
>>http://www.andair.co.uk/pdfs/FS20-5&7.pdf) with a 6 inch extension
>>would be the ideal choice for the RV-10. This valve has 90 deg
>>travel between left and right tank and female fittings on the sides
>>and bottom. This would be a drop in replacement for the Weatherhead
>>valve Vans provides in the kit. With the extension, all you would
>>need is an AN824 Tee on the bottom, one port of the tee to the
>>filter and the other to the pump and you are done.
>>
>>The FS20f3F would also work but has a 180 degree trave between
>>left and right tank. I plan on using the FS20f5F. My Fuselage is
>>scheduled to arrive in two weeks so I'm a ways off from that stage.
>>
William Curtis
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | exterior paint over akzo epoxy primer? |
Hey all -
Are there any gotchas associated with painting an exterior finish over
akzo epoxy primer? Couldn't find anything on the technical data sheet
for akzo and wondered if anyone had experience with doing it?
cj
#40410
wings
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | Re: alclad thickness |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
Chris:
The clad coating is on the order of a few thousands, I believe it varies
with the thickness of the base alloy. It only takes a few aggressive rubs
of a scotch bright to remove. Try it on a piece of scrape; if you look
closely you can see when the cladding has been removed and the base metal
appears with a slightly different color. The metal can still be polished.
It would take some more work but I doubt that it would be noticeable on a
polished surface. Think of all the old airplanes that have been polished
out. Many never had cladding or it has long since been polished away. If
corrosion is a concern the area can be treated and primed. Most paint shops
in the prep process will scotch bright the whole airplane, not so much so as
to remove the cladding completely but to provide mechanical adhesion for the
primer. If the airplane is going to be painted I would not put any kind of
metal polish on it. The silicone and other chemicals in polishes are
difficult to remove particularly around rivets or seams and will create
problems for the painter.
Dick Sipp
40065
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: alclad thickness
hey all -
i've got a quick question - how thick is the alclad on the skins? let's say
hypothetically that someone scuffed a skin with a scotchbrite pad and wished
they hadn't... can you polish it out back to the mirror finish? will that
completely remove the alclad corrosion protection? enquiring minds want to
know...
cj
#40410
wings
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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Looks like another -10 flew. Is there a list anywhere of the flying A/C?
Rene'
N423CF
40322
Fuselage
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