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1. 04:21 AM - Re: Re: St Nick (rob kermanj)
2. 04:23 AM - Re: Garmin GTX-327 pricing (rob kermanj)
3. 04:23 AM - Re: shipping costs (Wayne Edgerton)
4. 05:40 AM - Re: shipping costs (Larry Rosen)
5. 05:53 AM - Re: shipping costs (Jerry Grimmonpre)
6. 06:23 AM - Vans Pricing Increase question (Jeff Dalton)
7. 06:38 AM - Re: Did I ruin my skin??? (Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk))
8. 07:38 AM - Re: Vans Pricing Increase question (Chris)
9. 08:27 AM - Re: Vans Pricing Increase question (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
10. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: Andair Fuel Valve extension (Tim Olson)
11. 10:04 AM - Re: shipping costs (Bruce Case)
12. 10:25 AM - Re: Vans Pricing Increase question (Bruce Case)
13. 11:35 AM - Picking an Engine Monitor (John Testement)
14. 11:49 AM - Re: shipping costs (Chuck Jensen)
15. 11:55 AM - Re: shipping costs (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
16. 11:59 AM - Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
17. 12:18 PM - Re: shipping costs (Chuck Jensen)
18. 12:22 PM - Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
19. 12:22 PM - Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (Tim Olson)
20. 12:42 PM - Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (John Jessen)
21. 12:50 PM - Re: shipping costs (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
22. 01:02 PM - Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
23. 01:02 PM - Re: shipping costs (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto)
24. 01:19 PM - Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (John Jessen)
25. 02:54 PM - Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
26. 03:17 PM - Re: shipping costs (Ed Mueller)
27. 03:24 PM - Re: Did I ruin my skin??? (Doug Shenk)
28. 03:28 PM - Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (John Testement)
29. 03:39 PM - AF-2500 Chelton Interface (RobHickman@aol.com)
30. 03:49 PM - Re: shipping costs (Dave)
31. 04:08 PM - Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (Jesse Saint)
32. 04:15 PM - Re: Did I ruin my skin??? (Jeff Carpenter)
33. 04:15 PM - Edge Rolling (Albert Gardner)
34. 04:49 PM - Re: shipping costs (Chuck Jensen)
35. 07:23 PM - Re: Vans Pricing Increase question (rsipp@earthlink.net)
36. 07:31 PM - Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (Tim Olson)
37. 07:50 PM - Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (David McNeill)
38. 08:14 PM - Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (John W. Cox)
39. 08:23 PM - Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later (Tim Olson)
40. 08:26 PM - Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (Tim Olson)
41. 08:33 PM - Re: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
42. 08:34 PM - Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (David McNeill)
43. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
44. 09:17 PM - Re: Picking an Engine Monitor (David McNeill)
45. 09:37 PM - Re: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later (Rene)
46. 09:37 PM - Re: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later (Tim Olson)
47. 09:51 PM - Re: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later (Tim Olson)
48. 09:56 PM - Re: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later (Tim Olson)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
How long did it take to arrive. I am waiting for mine. Thanks.
do not archive
rob kermanj
rv10es@earthlink.net
On Dec 15, 2005, at 5:50 PM, David McNeill wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
>
> St. Nick arrived early rhis year. Just received the Hartzell prop.
> Opened the box and retrieved the paperwork; will inspect this weekend.
>
>
> your generous support!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GTX-327 pricing |
Contact http://www.starkavionics.com/products.htm. He has the best
prices but he does not take credit cards.
Do Not archive
rob kermanj
rv10es@earthlink.net
On Dec 15, 2005, at 5:59 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> Anyone know offhand what you can get a Garmin GTX-327 transponder
> for new or used? I have a chance to pick up a used for $1100 that
> is yellow tagged but I believe you can get a brand new one of about
> $1300.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Mid Fuse Bulkheads
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: shipping costs |
I received my QB Fuselage and Wings at the end of November in the Dallas area using
Tony Partain. It cost me $2467. This price was about $500 cheaper than the
price that Van's said it would cost me if they had shipped it. When I originally
thought of using Tony there was a $1000 saving for a 10, the crating charge
at Van's, but Tony said his fuel cost have gone up. Not having to mess with
the uncrating and disposal was a plus for me.
Wayne Edgerton
RV10 -40336
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| Subject: | Re: shipping costs |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Tony Partain charged me $2,758.00 for delivery of my QB Wings and
Fuselage to southern New Jersey back in July.
Larry Rosen
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com>
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| Subject: | Re: shipping costs |
How can Tony Partain be contacted (phone, email or business address)? I have to
ship a cowl from WA to IL ...
Thanks
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Edgerton
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
I received my QB Fuselage and Wings at the end of November in the Dallas area
using Tony Partain. It cost me $2467. This price was about $500 cheaper than
the price that Van's said it would cost me if they had shipped it. When I originally
thought of using Tony there was a $1000 saving for a 10, the crating charge
at Van's, but Tony said his fuel cost have gone up. Not having to mess with
the uncrating and disposal was a plus for me.
Wayne Edgerton
RV10 -40336
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| Subject: | Vans Pricing Increase question |
With Vans increasing prices on Jan 1st 3% will I get the 2005 price if I send them
a check before 12/31?
Is the price based on payment date or delivery date?
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Conti, Rick
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
The shipment was classified as containing plastic. According to trucking companies,
that raises the price.
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
From: steve dinieri [mailto:capsteve@adelphia.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:57 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
i just recieved a shipping bill for my rv-10 fuse that was delivered in november.
(there must have been a screw up in processing) but it seems much higher
than i've paid for any other crate from vans in the past. What have you guys experienced
as far as costs go??? they're trying to collect 890 bucks and telling
me thats with vans discount. i know vans has a 60% discount with roadway
express, which means the real retail price should be 1500 bucks or so. what say
ye'?????(btw..destination was niagara falls,NY)
steve dinieri
n221rv
n231rv
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| Subject: | Did I ruin my skin??? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)" <BSchroeder@uta.cog.ut.us>
That's ok, it meant a lot to me personally that AVERY TOOLS would stand
up to help a guy in his hour of need. Well done!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Lauritsen - Work
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Did I ruin my skin???
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lauritsen - Work"
<mike@cleavelandtool.com>
I am so sorry to the rest of the list I meant for this to go directly to
Bill, but forgot to change the address. How embarrassing, sorry...
Mike
Mike Lauritsen
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
2225 First St.
Boone, Iowa 50036
515-432-6794
mike@cleavelandtool.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Lauritsen -
Work
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Did I ruin my skin???
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lauritsen - Work"
<mike@cleavelandtool.com>
Bill,
I am sorry that happened to your skin. It really shows how good tools
will
make or break the finish of an aircraft. I will give you our edge
forming
tool and make sure you understand how to use it in exchange for a
"customer
testimonial" the old skin, the old tool, and permission to use your
photos.
http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/prodinfo.asp?number=EF60
Thanks,
Mike
Mike Lauritsen
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
2225 First St.
Boone, Iowa 50036
515-432-6794
mike@cleavelandtool.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Did I ruin my skin???
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
I think you will regret not getting new skins. Even if the fix works
out you will always know about any imperfection. Like another poster
said, in the grand scheme of things the new skins are not that
expensive.
I like Cleaveland's edge forming tool
<http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/products.asp?dept=56>. It is
not cheep at $39, but it is a quality tool that works well.
Larry Rosen
N205EN (reserved)
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Vans Pricing Increase question |
The letter on their website says the policy has changed such that you will lock
in the 2005 price if your order is sent in before 2006.
-Chris Lucas
#40072
Waiting on slow build fuselage order confirmation.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Dalton
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:22 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Vans Pricing Increase question
With Vans increasing prices on Jan 1st 3% will I get the 2005 price if I send
them a check before 12/31?
Is the price based on payment date or delivery date?
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Conti, Rick
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
The shipment was classified as containing plastic. According to trucking companies,
that raises the price.
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
From: steve dinieri [mailto:capsteve@adelphia.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:57 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
i just recieved a shipping bill for my rv-10 fuse that was delivered in november.
(there must have been a screw up in processing) but it seems much higher
than i've paid for any other crate from vans in the past. What have you guys
experienced as far as costs go??? they're trying to collect 890 bucks and telling
me thats with vans discount. i know vans has a 60% discount with roadway
express, which means the real retail price should be 1500 bucks or so. what
say ye'?????(btw..destination was niagara falls,NY)
steve dinieri
n221rv
n231rv
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| Subject: | Vans Pricing Increase question |
With the exception of engines and props. In those cases the deposit
does NOT lock in price.
Bob #40105
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans Pricing Increase question
The letter on their website says the policy has changed such that you
will lock in the 2005 price if your order is sent in before 2006.
-Chris Lucas
#40072
Waiting on slow build fuselage order confirmation.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Dalton <mailto:jdalton77@comcast.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:22 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Vans Pricing Increase question
With Vans increasing prices on Jan 1st 3% will I get the 2005
price if I send them a check before 12/31?
Is the price based on payment date or delivery date?
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Conti, Rick <mailto:rick.conti@boeing.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
The shipment was classified as containing plastic.
According to trucking companies, that raises the price.
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
=09
_____
From: steve dinieri [mailto:capsteve@adelphia.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:57 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
i just recieved a shipping bill for my rv-10 fuse that
was delivered in november. (there must have been a screw up in
processing) but it seems much higher than i've paid for any other crate
from vans in the past. What have you guys experienced as far as costs
go??? they're trying to collect 890 bucks and telling me thats with
vans discount. i know vans has a 60% discount with roadway express,
which means the real retail price should be 1500 bucks or so. what say
ye'?????(btw..destination was niagara falls,NY)
steve dinieri
n221rv
n231rv
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Andair Fuel Valve extension |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Darrin,
Here's an oooold post of mine from before.
Currently, I can add a couple more points, too:
-----
Good question. Here's my answer:
1) The standard valve is very ugly
2) The andair valve has that engraved plate with left/right labeling
whereas you have to stick or paint on labels with the other.
3) The andair valve has a more positive detent feel for when you get
to the left or right position.
4) The andair valve has an OFF position that you can't get to by
just twisting the valve...you couldn't do it by accident.
I'll be flying with kids on 95% of my flights, and they
like to climb around and trade seats.
5) It's not really a retrofit difficulty...you have to build the
whole fuel line system anyway. The convolution is in the
STANDARD valve...you have to cross the fuel lines so the
Left line feeds the RIGH side of the valve, and vice versa.
This is an incredibly screwed up situation, which has already
led to one other builder mounting hsi standard valve backwards
just to make the convoluted routing simpler. The Andair valve
is a much more straightforward and logical plumbing job.
6) The plane is going to be > $150K....point #1 is just too much
to bear when the andair looks so nice. I'm not building a
flying lawn tractor.
** New
7) If you use the Andair valve with an extension to the handle,
it may be much easier to make clearance for your rear heat
SCAT tube to pass by that area...this is a real problem,
that to my knowledge has only been successfully addressed by
reducing the hose to 1.5". In addition, having the hose
packed in there makes it very vulnerable to being rubbed
through by the rudder cable, and it will heat your fuel valve.
8) With the Andair valve and extension, you'll have clearance
from your rudder cables for the valve fittings.
Latest news: If my order came in today, I may have my new
Andair valve, and my flex fuel hoses. If so, I'll be shooting
some photos this weekend. If not, we're still a few days
away.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Schawang, Darrin wrote:
> What makes the Andair valve that much better than the one that comes
> with the kit from Van's?
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| Subject: | Re: shipping costs |
I have found that there is generally a horrendous charge for delivery to your home
or business. If you can pick it up at the shippers dock you can save quite
a bit. They wanted $175 to deliver my tail kit 2 miles.
Bruce Case, #40446
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
Shipping on our fuse to FL in October of '04 was $903, and to a business address.
You can probably save something by picking it up at the dock. It is a really
big box, even though it doesn't weight that much. I just got a quote, however,
to ship the same crate to Ecuador, South America by air (including trucking
to Miami, FL) and the price was around $1,320. Would that be $903 for trucking
and $417 for air, I think not. Something is not right with Van's shipping
company. It is possible to get quotes, I imagine, from other shippers and
have them pick it up at Van's. If anybody is interested in being the first,
please let us know how much you can save. I imagine Van's would go for this.
In fact, you could even just get quotes based on the weight, size and contents
and compare them. Better yet, get a quote from the same shipping company and
see what the real discount is. If Van's gets a 60% discount, then they are
getting that off the "listed price", which nobody probably ever pays. Maybe
they give the average Joe a 30% discount and then truly give Van's only a 30%
discount off what anybody would pay.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Fax: 815-377-3694
I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC, please
call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me, please call
me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has voicemail
that will get to me in Ecuador.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:29 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
Sounds right. Mine last week was $745 to a business address in Texas. Residential
is always about $50-$100 more. Quite the screw job these freight companies
have going. It had a $120 fuel surcharge on it too. This is the first time
Van's shipped to me via Roadway. The other times it was ABF and much cheaper
but then again the fuse crate is huge to accommodate that canopy.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Mid Fuse Bulkheads
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve dinieri
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:57 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
i just recieved a shipping bill for my rv-10 fuse that was delivered in november.
(there must have been a screw up in processing) but it seems much higher
than i've paid for any other crate from vans in the past. What have you guys experienced
as far as costs go??? they're trying to collect 890 bucks and telling
me thats with vans discount. i know vans has a 60% discount with roadway
express, which means the real retail price should be 1500 bucks or so. what say
ye'?????(btw..destination was niagara falls,NY)
steve dinieri
n221rv
n231rv
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| Subject: | Re: Vans Pricing Increase question |
Price is based on order date.
Bruce Case
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Dalton
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:22 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Vans Pricing Increase question
With Vans increasing prices on Jan 1st 3% will I get the 2005 price if I send
them a check before 12/31?
Is the price based on payment date or delivery date?
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Conti, Rick
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
The shipment was classified as containing plastic. According to trucking companies,
that raises the price.
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
From: steve dinieri [mailto:capsteve@adelphia.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:57 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
i just recieved a shipping bill for my rv-10 fuse that was delivered in november.
(there must have been a screw up in processing) but it seems much higher
than i've paid for any other crate from vans in the past. What have you guys
experienced as far as costs go??? they're trying to collect 890 bucks and telling
me thats with vans discount. i know vans has a 60% discount with roadway
express, which means the real retail price should be 1500 bucks or so. what
say ye'?????(btw..destination was niagara falls,NY)
steve dinieri
n221rv
n231rv
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| Subject: | Picking an Engine Monitor |
I am in the process of selecting and engine monitor and would like any
suggestions you have to offer. The options I am considering are:
Advanced Flight Systems F2500
Grand Rapids EIS600
Dynon EMS D-10
MVP-50
I will have dual Cheltons and would like to display the engine data on the
Chelton. I also like the idea of having electronic checklists and data
recording.
What experience do you have with any of these? What should I look for or
avoid? Any experience interfacing with Chelton?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Working on QB fuse
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Find out from Van's what freight Classification it should have gone
under, for example Class 80. The freight classification is a multiplier
for the weight and distance. Thus, if the shipment should have been
Class 80 and it shipped as Class 240, your freight will be 3 times as
high. Now, I doubt aircraft parts ship at 80, but this is what you need
to confirm with Van's. Then check weight to see if that's also correct.
The freight companies are using the 'current situation' to jack up
freight rates and then throw a fuel surcharge on top of it. This is not
pointed at Roadway Express particularly (we use them as well as a couple
others), but they are all in the business of being 'creative' to enhance
revenue. So, check those things our and see where you are.
Chuck Jensen
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve dinieri
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
i just recieved a shipping bill for my rv-10 fuse that was delivered in
november. (there must have been a screw up in processing) but it seems
much higher than i've paid for any other crate from vans in the past.
What have you guys experienced as far as costs go??? they're trying to
collect 890 bucks and telling me thats with vans discount. i know vans
has a 60% discount with roadway express, which means the real retail
price should be 1500 bucks or so. what say ye'?????(btw..destination was
niagara falls,NY)
steve dinieri
n221rv
n231rv
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Of course, it would be even higher if it contained metal....uuummmm,
that about covers it.
Chuck Jensen
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
The shipment was classified as containing plastic. According to trucking
companies, that raises the price.
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
________________________________
From: steve dinieri [mailto:capsteve@adelphia.net]
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
i just recieved a shipping bill for my rv-10 fuse that was delivered in
november. (there must have been a screw up in processing) but it seems
much higher than i've paid for any other crate from vans in the past.
What have you guys experienced as far as costs go??? they're trying to
collect 890 bucks and telling me thats with vans discount. i know vans
has a 60% discount with roadway express, which means the real retail
price should be 1500 bucks or so. what say ye'?????(btw..destination was
niagara falls,NY)
steve dinieri
n221rv
n231rv
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If you want it on the Chelton's, you really only have one choice for the moment.
That being the Grand Rapids. Although I believe at least one or two others
are working towards interfacing.
If you can wait until S&F I think you will have some additional options.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Subject: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
I am in the process of selecting and engine monitor and would like any suggestions
you have to offer. The options I am considering are:
Advanced Flight Systems F2500
Grand Rapids EIS600
Dynon EMS D-10
MVP-50
I will have dual Cheltons and would like to display the engine data on the Chelton.
I also like the idea of having electronic checklists and data recording.
What experience do you have with any of these? What should I look for or avoid?
Any experience interfacing with Chelton?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Working on QB fuse
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The Classifications are covered in the NMFC (National Motor Freight
Classification) book, which is about 4" thick. The downside is its
thickness; the upside is you have numerous 'possible' classifications
the parts can fall into, which can sharply affect your freight rate
because the Classification is a multiplier of the weight. You can be
assured, when this selection is left to the freight company, they well
select the highest Classification. On the other hand, you are entitled
to select the lowest Classification that reasonably describes your
shipped materials.
Freight bills should be inspected with particular emphasis on
Classification. If it's incorrect, call the freight company and ask for
a requote. It's a hassle but several hundred dollars can be at stake.
Finally, Classifications, and by extension the rates you pay, are based
on the weight density. Shipping a ton of feathers will cost a lot more
than shipping a ton of lead...because you are taking up more truck
space. But within the description of feathers, there's duck features,
chicken features, compressed feathers, white feathers, ad nauseum (just
kidding, but only a little) and each will have a different
Classification. The onus is on you to select the most favorable
Classification. And, NEVER pay list price...much like flying for full
fare on an airline.
Chuck Jensen
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Lenhardt
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
The rate is also based on the classification or category of the contents
of the shipment. It's different between being aircraft parts or
assemblies or materials (ie. sheet aluminum). I found this out getting
my own quotes when considering having my QB wings and fuse delivered to
Roanoke, VA. At first I got a very low quote (sorry, don't have it
anymore) and I inquired about the difference. That's when I found out
about the category rating. Originally, I only gave the size and weight
of the crates to a person that was not familiar with the origination
address (Van's). When I called back, the person, who knew Van's
Aircraft, asked me about the contents and informed me about the change
in rate. I guess it may have to do with insurance or the value of the
cargo (if it's expensive, you can afford to pay more?).
I ended up saving money by using Tony Partain (Partain Transport
Company) to deliver without Van's crating them.
John Lenhardt
#40262
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
Shipping on our fuse to FL in October of '04 was $903, and to a
business address. You can probably save something by picking it up at
the dock. It is a really big box, even though it doesn't weight that
much. I just got a quote, however, to ship the same crate to Ecuador,
South America by air (including trucking to Miami, FL) and the price was
around $1,320. Would that be $903 for trucking and $417 for air, I
think not. Something is not right with Van's shipping company. It is
possible to get quotes, I imagine, from other shippers and have them
pick it up at Van's. If anybody is interested in being the first,
please let us know how much you can save. I imagine Van's would go for
this. In fact, you could even just get quotes based on the weight, size
and contents and compare them. Better yet, get a quote from the same
shipping company and see what the real discount is. If Van's gets a 60%
discount, then they are getting that off the "listed price", which
nobody probably ever pays. Maybe they give the average Joe a 30%
discount and then truly give Van's only a 30% discount off what anybody
would pay.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Fax: 815-377-3694
I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions
regarding I-TEC, please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would
like to talk to me, please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't
always be on, but it has voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador.
=09
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:29 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
Sounds right. Mine last week was $745 to a business address in
Texas. Residential is always about $50-$100 more. Quite the screw job
these freight companies have going. It had a $120 fuel surcharge on it
too. This is the first time Van's shipped to me via Roadway. The other
times it was ABF and much cheaper but then again the fuse crate is huge
to accommodate that canopy.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Mid Fuse Bulkheads
=09
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve dinieri
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:57 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
i just recieved a shipping bill for my rv-10 fuse that was
delivered in november. (there must have been a screw up in processing)
but it seems much higher than i've paid for any other crate from vans in
the past. What have you guys experienced as far as costs go??? they're
trying to collect 890 bucks and telling me thats with vans discount. i
know vans has a 60% discount with roadway express, which means the real
retail price should be 1500 bucks or so. what say
ye'?????(btw..destination was niagara falls,NY)
steve dinieri
n221rv
n231rv
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EI is advertising Chelton interface for the MVP-50. Nice unit, but $$
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TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
If you want it on the Chelton's, you really only have one choice for the moment.
That being the Grand Rapids. Although I believe at least one or two others
are working towards interfacing.
If you can wait until S&F I think you will have some additional options.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Subject: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
I am in the process of selecting and engine monitor and would like any suggestions
you have to offer. The options I am considering are:
Advanced Flight Systems F2500
Grand Rapids EIS600
Dynon EMS D-10
MVP-50
I will have dual Cheltons and would like to display the engine data on the Chelton.
I also like the idea of having electronic checklists and data recording.
What experience do you have with any of these? What should I look for or avoid?
Any experience interfacing with Chelton?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Working on QB fuse
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
The EIS6000 is the one that interfaces to the Chelton. It has
software specific to that application on it. I will be integrating
mine over the next couple weeks.
Rob, creator and designer of the AFS systems will also be interfacing
with the Chelton. At present, I have not heard that this has been
completed, but Rob may be able to fill you in. Other than those,
if you're going with dual cheltons and want engine display on there,
then I'd skip even looking further.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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John Testement wrote:
> I am in the process of selecting and engine monitor and would like any
> suggestions you have to offer. The options I am considering are:
> Advanced Flight Systems F2500
> Grand Rapids EIS600
> Dynon EMS D-10
> MVP-50
>
> I will have dual Cheltons and would like to display the engine data on
> the Chelton. I also like the idea of having electronic checklists and
> data recording.
>
> What experience do you have with any of these? What should I look for or
> avoid? Any experience interfacing with Chelton?
>
>
> John Testement
> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com <mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
> 40321
> Working on QB fuse
>
>
>
>
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Rob Hickman, what say you? Interfacing to the Chilton's?
John Jessen
~328
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
If you want it on the Chelton's, you really only have one choice for the
moment. That being the Grand Rapids. Although I believe at least one or
two others are working towards interfacing.
If you can wait until S&F I think you will have some additional options.
Michael
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Subject: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
I am in the process of selecting and engine monitor and would like any
suggestions you have to offer. The options I am considering are:
Advanced Flight Systems F2500
Grand Rapids EIS600
Dynon EMS D-10
MVP-50
I will have dual Cheltons and would like to display the engine data on the
Chelton. I also like the idea of having electronic checklists and data
recording.
What experience do you have with any of these? What should I look for or
avoid? Any experience interfacing with Chelton?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Working on QB fuse
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Chuck, Thank you for an important point to consider when having the
product shipped.
John - KUAO
________________________________
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
The Classifications are covered in the NMFC (National Motor Freight
Classification) book, which is about 4" thick. The downside is its
thickness; the upside is you have numerous 'possible' classifications
the parts can fall into, which can sharply affect your freight rate
because the Classification is a multiplier of the weight. You can be
assured, when this selection is left to the freight company, they well
select the highest Classification. On the other hand, you are entitled
to select the lowest Classification that reasonably describes your
shipped materials.
Freight bills should be inspected with particular emphasis on
Classification. If it's incorrect, call the freight company and ask for
a requote. It's a hassle but several hundred dollars can be at stake.
Finally, Classifications, and by extension the rates you pay, are based
on the weight density. Shipping a ton of feathers will cost a lot more
than shipping a ton of lead...because you are taking up more truck
space. But within the description of feathers, there's duck features,
chicken features, compressed feathers, white feathers, ad nauseum (just
kidding, but only a little) and each will have a different
Classification. The onus is on you to select the most favorable
Classification. And, NEVER pay list price...much like flying for full
fare on an airline.
Chuck Jensen
Do Not Archive
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Ya, interfacing with any old farm equipment? Ohhhhh, you meant Chelton. Darn
spell check. :-D
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
Rob Hickman, what say you? Interfacing to the Chilton's?
John Jessen
~328
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
If you want it on the Chelton's, you really only have one choice for the moment.
That being the Grand Rapids. Although I believe at least one or two others
are working towards interfacing.
If you can wait until S&F I think you will have some additional options.
Michael
do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Subject: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
I am in the process of selecting and engine monitor and would like any suggestions
you have to offer. The options I am considering are:
Advanced Flight Systems F2500
Grand Rapids EIS600
Dynon EMS D-10
MVP-50
I will have dual Cheltons and would like to display the engine data on the Chelton.
I also like the idea of having electronic checklists and data recording.
What experience do you have with any of these? What should I look for or avoid?
Any experience interfacing with Chelton?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Working on QB fuse
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Chuck,
I just pulled my bill of lading from my fuse for last week. It has a:
NMFC15660004 CLC150
Care to interpret for us as you seem to have the best understanding of the gibberish
that invades our wallets.
Michael
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________________________________
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
The Classifications are covered in the NMFC (National Motor Freight Classification)
book, which is about 4" thick. The downside is its thickness; the upside
is you have numerous 'possible' classifications the parts can fall into, which
can sharply affect your freight rate because the Classification is a multiplier
of the weight. You can be assured, when this selection is left to the freight
company, they well select the highest Classification. On the other hand,
you are entitled to select the lowest Classification that reasonably describes
your shipped materials.
Freight bills should be inspected with particular emphasis on Classification.
If it's incorrect, call the freight company and ask for a requote. It's a hassle
but several hundred dollars can be at stake.
Finally, Classifications, and by extension the rates you pay, are based on the
weight density. Shipping a ton of feathers will cost a lot more than shipping
a ton of lead...because you are taking up more truck space. But within the description
of feathers, there's duck features, chicken features, compressed feathers,
white feathers, ad nauseum (just kidding, but only a little) and each
will have a different Classification. The onus is on you to select the most favorable
Classification. And, NEVER pay list price...much like flying for full
fare on an airline.
Chuck Jensen
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Lenhardt
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
The rate is also based on the classification or category of the contents of the
shipment. It's different between being aircraft parts or assemblies or materials
(ie. sheet aluminum). I found this out getting my own quotes when considering
having my QB wings and fuse delivered to Roanoke, VA. At first I got a
very low quote (sorry, don't have it anymore) and I inquired about the difference.
That's when I found out about the category rating. Originally, I only gave
the size and weight of the crates to a person that was not familiar with the
origination address (Van's). When I called back, the person, who knew Van's
Aircraft, asked me about the contents and informed me about the change in rate.
I guess it may have to do with insurance or the value of the cargo (if it's
expensive, you can afford to pay more?).
I ended up saving money by using Tony Partain (Partain Transport Company) to deliver
without Van's crating them.
John Lenhardt
#40262
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
Shipping on our fuse to FL in October of '04 was $903, and to a business
address. You can probably save something by picking it up at the dock. It
is a really big box, even though it doesn't weight that much. I just got a quote,
however, to ship the same crate to Ecuador, South America by air (including
trucking to Miami, FL) and the price was around $1,320. Would that be $903
for trucking and $417 for air, I think not. Something is not right with Van's
shipping company. It is possible to get quotes, I imagine, from other shippers
and have them pick it up at Van's. If anybody is interested in being the
first, please let us know how much you can save. I imagine Van's would go for
this. In fact, you could even just get quotes based on the weight, size and
contents and compare them. Better yet, get a quote from the same shipping company
and see what the real discount is. If Van's gets a 60% discount, then they
are getting that off the "listed price", which nobody probably ever pays.
Maybe they give the average Joe a 30% discount and then truly give Van's only
a 30% discount off what anybody would pay.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Fax: 815-377-3694
I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC,
please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me, please
call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has voicemail
that will get to me in Ecuador.
=09
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:29 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
Sounds right. Mine last week was $745 to a business address in Texas.
Residential is always about $50-$100 more. Quite the screw job these freight
companies have going. It had a $120 fuel surcharge on it too. This is the first
time Van's shipped to me via Roadway. The other times it was ABF and much
cheaper but then again the fuse crate is huge to accommodate that canopy.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Mid Fuse Bulkheads
=09
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve dinieri
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:57 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
i just recieved a shipping bill for my rv-10 fuse that was delivered in
november. (there must have been a screw up in processing) but it seems much higher
than i've paid for any other crate from vans in the past. What have you
guys experienced as far as costs go??? they're trying to collect 890 bucks and
telling me thats with vans discount. i know vans has a 60% discount with roadway
express, which means the real retail price should be 1500 bucks or so. what
say ye'?????(btw..destination was niagara falls,NY)
steve dinieri
n221rv
n231rv
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I did spell check and accepted the result without thinking. My mistake.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
Ya, interfacing with any old farm equipment? Ohhhhh, you meant Chelton.
Darn spell check. :-D
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
Rob Hickman, what say you? Interfacing to the Chilton's?
John Jessen
~328
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
If you want it on the Chelton's, you really only have one choice for the
moment. That being the Grand Rapids. Although I believe at least one or
two others are working towards interfacing.
If you can wait until S&F I think you will have some additional options.
Michael
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Subject: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
I am in the process of selecting and engine monitor and would like any
suggestions you have to offer. The options I am considering are:
Advanced Flight Systems F2500
Grand Rapids EIS600
Dynon EMS D-10
MVP-50
I will have dual Cheltons and would like to display the engine data on the
Chelton. I also like the idea of having electronic checklists and data
recording.
What experience do you have with any of these? What should I look for or
avoid? Any experience interfacing with Chelton?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Working on QB fuse
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--> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
clear thingd for me...why would you want engine monitor display to share a
display? wouldn't it be best to have it always up for visual scan? am I
missing something???
Do not archive.
Steve VS - completed
Port St. Lucie, FL
772-475-5556
Sent from my Treo 600
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Ed Mueller <ed@muellerartcover.com>
Anyone looked at ForwardAir (www.forwardair.com)? They ship from terminal to terminal only. You have to get the item to the terminal (they have one in Portland) and pick up at a terminal near you. I used them once and they were very reasonable. Question is, can we get the stuff moved from Aurora to Portland (around 33 miles) reasonably.
Ed Mueller
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:47:19 -0500, Chuck Jensen wrote:
>Find out from Vans what freight Classification it should have gone
>under, for example Class 80.The freight classification is a
>multiplier for the weight and distance.Thus, if the shipment
>should have been Class 80 and it shipped as Class 240, your freight
>will be 3 times as high. Now, I doubt aircraft parts ship at 80,
>but this is what you need to confirm with Vans.Then check weight
>to see if thats also correct.The freight companies are using the
>current situation to jack up freight rates and then throw a fuel
>surcharge on top of it.This is not pointed at Roadway Express
>particularly (we use them as well as a couple others), but they are
>all in the business of being creative to enhance revenue.So,
>check those things our and see where you are.
>
>Chuck Jensen
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve dinieri
>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:57 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
>
>i just recieved a shipping bill for my rv-10 fuse that was
>delivered in november. (there must have been a screw up in
>processing) but it seems much higher than i've paid for any other
>crate from vans in the past. What have you guys experienced as far
>as costs go??? they'retrying to collect 890bucks and telling me
>thats with vans discount. i know vans has a 60% discount with
>roadway express, which means the real retail price should be 1500
>bucks or so. what say ye'?????(btw..destination was niagara
>falls,NY)
>
>
>steve dinieri
>
>n221rv
>
>n231rv
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Doug Shenk <dshenk3@bresnan.net>
I'm building a 6a and found my learning curve on edge rolling was pretty
steep with the usual tools you have shown.
My favorite tool is part no. EF60 at Cleveland Tools. Based on a vise
grip handle and much
easier to handle and adjust.
Just a thought.
Doug Shenk rv6aqb
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Bill,
> Those first pictures made it look worse than the other pictures
> did. I think there's a good chance you're OK.
>
> Here's what I think.
>
> A) That roller tool isn't fantastic. The Avery hockey puck one
> is very similar, but fits in the palm of your hand and I think
> that makes it easier to control.
>
> B) I think that you just didn't get a consistent, and sharp breaking
> bend to the edge. When you bend the edge, as far as I know, it isn't
> a super smooth transition, but an actual straight-line bend that
> angles the skin back maybe 10-15 degrees. It looks to me like you
> kind of let it bend in some areas and not in others, and maybe tried
> to keep the bend from creasing. I'm not an expert, but in my own
> opinion, which may be wrong, that bend should actually be a visible
> crease in the skin. The trick is just keeping it consistent.
>
> That said, I have a small...not as large as your clecoed pics,
> bit of pillowing between my rivets....caused by rolling the edge
> after it was dimpled.
>
> Anyway, I'd definitely have someone handy look at it to judge it
> for you and show you how to do them, but it sure looks like you
> can salvage that skin.
>
>
> PS: regarding your proseal, get the quart can size. That's the
> slower stuff and will be perfect for doing your tanks and
> any other trailing edges, firewall sealants and heater box
> sealing, and a few other chores. If you haven't started
> your tanks, and have the money to burn, I personally would
> get 2 cans.
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
>
>> OOPS forgot to attach the pics.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Bill and Tami Britton <mailto:william@gbta.net>
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:08 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Did I ruin my skin???
>>
>> Here's the last set of pictures I'll post of this. I clecoed the
>> skin to the AEX wedge and it flattened most of it out. However, as
>> you can see in the pics there's still some waviness in the
>> middle. Is it possible to get this out?? Another question is, if
>> I decide
>> to keep this skin does it need further edge rolling (more would
>> probably make it worse unless I could just use the seamers and put a
>> super small "bend" in it)? Vans mentioned gluing it to the
>> wedge. How would that affect it??
>> Now, I promise to lay this to rest. I'll wait for a few
>> replies
>> then probably order the new skin!!!!!
>> Bill
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
>> and Tami Britton
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:03 AM
>> *To:* RV10-list@matronics.com <mailto:RV10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Did I ruin my skin???
>>
>>
>> Tried rolling the trailing edge of the elevator skins tonight
>> and it doesn't look very good. I haven't had much luck with
>> this edge rolling process yet in my building. Anyway, I didn't
>> apply much pressure at all and the first skin, after a single
>> pass, turned out wavy. Check out the picture and let me know
>> what you think. Tomorrow I'll try clecoing it to the trailing
>> edge wedge and see how it looks.
>>
>>
>> Has anybody just skipped this step in their bulding??? I'm
>> wondering how big the gap would actually be if I just didn't
>> worry about rolling the edges on the elevator skins??? Just
>> curious.
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Testement" <jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
Might be useful to bring the engine data to the pilot side screen (Chelton)
periodically, especially if you are viewing one of the many other screens on
the engine monitor itself (checklists, fuel management, setup, etc).
Actually Tim has the best setup with 3 Cheltons - any information on any
screen and a dedicated engine monitor.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Working on QB fuse
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
--> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
clear thingd for me...why would you want engine monitor display to share
a display? wouldn't it be best to have it always up for visual scan? am I
missing something???
Do not archive.
Steve VS - completed
Port St. Lucie, FL
772-475-5556
Sent from my Treo 600
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| Subject: | AF-2500 Chelton Interface |
We have finished the software interface for the AF-2500 to Chelton System
and are currently testing it. We have a number of orders for the system and
should have them delivered in the next 4 weeks.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
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Tony delivered my QB wings, Fuse and Finish kit to the Baltimore area for
$3,000. There is no crating charge from Vans on deliveries made bay Tony
since they do not have to provide a crate. This save a significant amount
of money considering the regular shipping and crating charges for the QB
kits.
Dave Bope
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert G. Wright
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:13 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
Using Tony Partain will be my method, too. I won't know anything for sure
until about February but I'll try to remember to post the Partain cost of
trucking my crateless QB wings and fuse to Enterprise, AL.
Rob Wright
#392
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Lenhardt
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:57 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
The rate is also based on the classification or category of the contents
of the shipment. It's different between being aircraft parts or assemblies
or materials (ie. sheet aluminum). I found this out getting my own quotes
when considering having my QB wings and fuse delivered to Roanoke, VA. At
first I got a very low quote (sorry, don't have it anymore) and I inquired
about the difference. That's when I found out about the category rating.
Originally, I only gave the size and weight of the crates to a person that
was not familiar with the origination address (Van's). When I called back,
the person, who knew Van's Aircraft, asked me about the contents and
informed me about the change in rate. I guess it may have to do with
insurance or the value of the cargo (if it's expensive, you can afford to
pay more?).
I ended up saving money by using Tony Partain (Partain Transport Company)
to deliver without Van's crating them.
John Lenhardt
#40262
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
Shipping on our fuse to FL in October of '04 was $903, and to a business
address. You can probably save something by picking it up at the dock. It
is a really big box, even though it doesn't weight that much. I just got a
quote, however, to ship the same crate to Ecuador, South America by air
(including trucking to Miami, FL) and the price was around $1,320. Would
that be $903 for trucking and $417 for air, I think not. Something is not
right with Van's shipping company. It is possible to get quotes, I imagine,
from other shippers and have them pick it up at Van's. If anybody is
interested in being the first, please let us know how much you can save. I
imagine Van's would go for this. In fact, you could even just get quotes
based on the weight, size and contents and compare them. Better yet, get a
quote from the same shipping company and see what the real discount is. If
Van's gets a 60% discount, then they are getting that off the "listed price"
discount and then truly give Van's only a 30% discount off what anybody
would pay.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Fax: 815-377-3694
I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC,
please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me,
please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has
voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:29 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
Sounds right. Mine last week was $745 to a business address in Texas.
Residential is always about $50-$100 more. Quite the screw job these
freight companies have going. It had a $120 fuel surcharge on it too. This
is the first time Van's shipped to me via Roadway. The other times it was
ABF and much cheaper but then again the fuse crate is huge to accommodate
that canopy.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Mid Fuse Bulkheads
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve dinieri
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:57 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
i just recieved a shipping bill for my rv-10 fuse that was delivered in
november. (there must have been a screw up in processing) but it seems much
higher than i've paid for any other crate from vans in the past. What have
you guys experienced as far as costs go??? they're trying to collect 890
bucks and telling me thats with vans discount. i know vans has a 60%
discount with roadway express, which means the real retail price should be
1500 bucks or so. what say ye'?????(btw..destination was niagara falls,NY)
steve dinieri
n221rv
n231rv
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I'm with you, Steve.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Fax: 815-377-3694
I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC,
please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me,
please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has
voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
--> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
clear thingd for me...why would you want engine monitor display to share
a
display? wouldn't it be best to have it always up for visual scan? am I
missing something???
Do not archive.
Steve VS - completed
Port St. Lucie, FL
772-475-5556
Sent from my Treo 600
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| Subject: | Re: Did I ruin my skin??? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
It's funny how we all seem to have our individual hang ups. For me,
bending the edges was a piece of cake. I used a hand seamer to put a
little bend in the edge and worked my way down the length in
overlapping strokes. The key here is to avoid overdoing it. My
trailing edges are works of art.
Now, you want to talk about trouble... I just replaced every bolt and
nyloc nut in the left wing after I discovered I had knocked the
torque wrench 5 in/lbs below zero before I started working...
... and don't even ask me about countersinking!
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Wing Rear Spar
On Dec 16, 2005, at 3:23 PM, Doug Shenk wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Doug Shenk <dshenk3@bresnan.net>
>
> I'm building a 6a and found my learning curve on edge rolling was
> pretty steep with the usual tools you have shown.
> My favorite tool is part no. EF60 at Cleveland Tools. Based on a
> vise grip handle and much
> easier to handle and adjust.
> Just a thought.
> Doug Shenk rv6aqb
>
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Bill,
>> Those first pictures made it look worse than the other pictures
>> did. I think there's a good chance you're OK.
>>
>> Here's what I think.
>>
>> A) That roller tool isn't fantastic. The Avery hockey puck one
>> is very similar, but fits in the palm of your hand and I think
>> that makes it easier to control.
>>
>> B) I think that you just didn't get a consistent, and sharp breaking
>> bend to the edge. When you bend the edge, as far as I know, it isn't
>> a super smooth transition, but an actual straight-line bend that
>> angles the skin back maybe 10-15 degrees. It looks to me like you
>> kind of let it bend in some areas and not in others, and maybe tried
>> to keep the bend from creasing. I'm not an expert, but in my own
>> opinion, which may be wrong, that bend should actually be a visible
>> crease in the skin. The trick is just keeping it consistent.
>>
>> That said, I have a small...not as large as your clecoed pics,
>> bit of pillowing between my rivets....caused by rolling the edge
>> after it was dimpled.
>>
>> Anyway, I'd definitely have someone handy look at it to judge it
>> for you and show you how to do them, but it sure looks like you
>> can salvage that skin.
>>
>>
>> PS: regarding your proseal, get the quart can size. That's the
>> slower stuff and will be perfect for doing your tanks and
>> any other trailing edges, firewall sealants and heater box
>> sealing, and a few other chores. If you haven't started
>> your tanks, and have the money to burn, I personally would
>> get 2 cans.
>>
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>> Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
>>
>>> OOPS forgot to attach the pics.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Bill and Tami Britton <mailto:william@gbta.net>
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:08 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Did I ruin my skin???
>>>
>>> Here's the last set of pictures I'll post of this. I clecoed
>>> the
>>> skin to the AEX wedge and it flattened most of it out.
>>> However, as
>>> you can see in the pics there's still some waviness in the
>>> middle. Is it possible to get this out?? Another question
>>> is, if I decide
>>> to keep this skin does it need further edge rolling (more would
>>> probably make it worse unless I could just use the seamers
>>> and put a
>>> super small "bend" in it)? Vans mentioned gluing it to the
>>> wedge. How would that affect it??
>>> Now, I promise to lay this to rest. I'll wait for a few
>>> replies
>>> then probably order the new skin!!!!!
>>> Bill
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Bill
>>> and Tami Britton
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:03 AM
>>> *To:* RV10-list@matronics.com <mailto:RV10-list@matronics.com>
>>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Did I ruin my skin???
>>>
>>> Tried rolling the trailing edge of the elevator
>>> skins tonight
>>> and it doesn't look very good. I haven't had much luck with
>>> this edge rolling process yet in my building. Anyway, I
>>> didn't
>>> apply much pressure at all and the first skin, after a
>>> single
>>> pass, turned out wavy. Check out the picture and let me
>>> know
>>> what you think. Tomorrow I'll try clecoing it to the
>>> trailing
>>> edge wedge and see how it looks.
>>>
>>> Has anybody just skipped this step in their
>>> bulding??? I'm
>>> wondering how big the gap would actually be if I just didn't
>>> worry about rolling the edges on the elevator skins??? Just
>>> curious.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
Subject changed from 'Did I Ruin My Skin???'
The amount of upset or roll depends on the part. On the leading edge of the
rudder I put a great deal more because the rolled edge fits against a curved
surface. The trailing edges and tank skins are rolled so they fit tight
against the wedge and wing skins respectively.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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Michael,
Rather than interpreting, I will quote,
"The charge for packages or pieces subject to a particular density group
may be assessed on the basis of the next lower class provided in
connection with the next heavier density group at the weight which would
accrue from multiplying the cubage of such packages or pieces by the
lowest density named in the density group which provides the next lower
class. In each such instance, that actual cube, actual weight, density
group embracing the actual density, declared density and resultant
weight for billing purposes (declared weight) of the pieces for which
density is being declared must be shown by shipper on shipping orders
and bills of lading at time of shipment."
And we thought the FAA wrote dense regulations!!!
And, understand that was just sub-note 156608 which explains
Classification 156600 Sub 4. So, do I care to interpret? Well, I would
if I could, but I can't, so I won't. However, I will suggest an
alternative classification, that being 15660009, which is Class 70.
Being Class 70 is 46% of Class 150, so it would cut your freight bill by
64%...that's before your 'good guy' discount of 30%-50%. Per the NMFC
for Class 15660009, Note 13, I quote:
"Plate or sheet (plastic) with formed interior cells, cavities or flutes
may be shipped strapped on pallets or skids."
Now, for a little lawyering; An aircraft hull for an RV is metal, but
the carrier wants to kick it into a higher class because of the plastic
canopy. Since the plastic is construed by the carrier as the most
restrictive rated piece, then you are entitled to ship by the
appropriate Classification for that plastic component. To wit, a canopy
is most certainly plate, or sheet plastic that is formed with an
interior cavity-that being where the pilot sticks his head.
All that stands between you and a refund is some nerve and a lot of
patience. However, the BEST way to avoid this problem is when YOU fill
out the bill of lading (BOL), make sure you describe the components
reasonably consistent with this description and mark "70" in the
Classification box. The carriers rating and invoice people will, 9 out
of 10 times (that's 90% if you're calculating) will let it fly right on
by.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
Chuck,
I just pulled my bill of lading from my fuse for last week. It has a:
NMFC15660004 CLC150
Care to interpret for us as you seem to have the best understanding of
the gibberish that invades our wallets.
Michael
do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
The Classifications are covered in the NMFC (National Motor Freight
Classification) book, which is about 4" thick. The downside is its
thickness; the upside is you have numerous 'possible' classifications
the parts can fall into, which can sharply affect your freight rate
because the Classification is a multiplier of the weight. You can be
assured, when this selection is left to the freight company, they well
select the highest Classification. On the other hand, you are entitled
to select the lowest Classification that reasonably describes your
shipped materials.
Freight bills should be inspected with particular emphasis on
Classification. If it's incorrect, call the freight company and ask for
a requote. It's a hassle but several hundred dollars can be at stake.
Finally, Classifications, and by extension the rates you pay, are based
on the weight density. Shipping a ton of feathers will cost a lot more
than shipping a ton of lead...because you are taking up more truck
space. But within the description of feathers, there's duck features,
chicken features, compressed feathers, white feathers, ad nauseum (just
kidding, but only a little) and each will have a different
Classification. The onus is on you to select the most favorable
Classification. And, NEVER pay list price...much like flying for full
fare on an airline.
Chuck Jensen
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Lenhardt
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
The rate is also based on the classification or category of the contents
of the shipment. It's different between being aircraft parts or
assemblies or materials (ie. sheet aluminum). I found this out getting
my own quotes when considering having my QB wings and fuse delivered to
Roanoke, VA. At first I got a very low quote (sorry, don't have it
anymore) and I inquired about the difference. That's when I found out
about the category rating. Originally, I only gave the size and weight
of the crates to a person that was not familiar with the origination
address (Van's). When I called back, the person, who knew Van's
Aircraft, asked me about the contents and informed me about the change
in rate. I guess it may have to do with insurance or the value of the
cargo (if it's expensive, you can afford to pay more?).
I ended up saving money by using Tony Partain (Partain Transport
Company) to deliver without Van's crating them.
John Lenhardt
#40262
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
Shipping on our fuse to FL in October of '04 was $903, and to a
business address. You can probably save something by picking it up at
the dock. It is a really big box, even though it doesn't weight that
much. I just got a quote, however, to ship the same crate to Ecuador,
South America by air (including trucking to Miami, FL) and the price was
around $1,320. Would that be $903 for trucking and $417 for air, I
think not. Something is not right with Van's shipping company. It is
possible to get quotes, I imagine, from other shippers and have them
pick it up at Van's. If anybody is interested in being the first,
please let us know how much you can save. I imagine Van's would go for
this. In fact, you could even just get quotes based on the weight, size
and contents and compare them. Better yet, get a quote from the same
shipping company and see what the real discount is. If Van's gets a 60%
discount, then they are getting that off the "listed price", which
nobody probably ever pays. Maybe they give the average Joe a 30%
discount and then truly give Van's only a 30% discount off what anybody
would pay.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Fax: 815-377-3694
I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions
regarding I-TEC, please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would
like to talk to me, please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't
always be on, but it has voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador.
=09
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:29 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: shipping costs
Sounds right. Mine last week was $745 to a business address in
Texas. Residential is always about $50-$100 more. Quite the screw job
these freight companies have going. It had a $120 fuel surcharge on it
too. This is the first time Van's shipped to me via Roadway. The other
times it was ABF and much cheaper but then again the fuse crate is huge
to accommodate that canopy.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Mid Fuse Bulkheads
=09
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve dinieri
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:57 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs
i just recieved a shipping bill for my rv-10 fuse that was
delivered in november. (there must have been a screw up in processing)
but it seems much higher than i've paid for any other crate from vans in
the past. What have you guys experienced as far as costs go??? they're
trying to collect 890 bucks and telling me thats with vans discount. i
know vans has a 60% discount with roadway express, which means the real
retail price should be 1500 bucks or so. what say
ye'?????(btw..destination was niagara falls,NY)
steve dinieri
n221rv
n231rv
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I do see your point in a way, which is why on my panel I have 3 Chelton
screens...so I still have the EFIS PFD display and the Map view whenever
I want them.
But... If you have the GRT or Rob's device, and maybe the EI one too,
remember that all of them have their own display, so you will also
be able to have engine instrument displays available there, albeit
smaller or less pretty. In my case, with the EIS 6000, I still can
have pages of engine data on the LCD display, and my favorite page
running most of the time. Also, if something goes out of spec,
you'll get the warning light.
So yes, I see your point, but I don't think it's as major an issue
as you might think. But, I do think it valid enough that I was
willing to splurge for 3 screens and make the entire panel more
useful or "comfortable".
Now, John, to nitpick on your post...(the one that followed this one
that I'm replying to) Please note that you cannot move the engine
data to the pilot side screen if you are only using 2 chelton screens.
The PFD (Primary display ... pilot side) is locked to the horizon
display ONLY. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Chelton screens can flip to
any display. That's another reason why I chose 3 screens. The
center will be a map screen normally, but I'll have a stick switch
that will flip the screen from map to engine. The right side screen
will also have a stick switch to flip it from map to engine to EFIS
screen.
When I let a co-pilot fly, they can have the Attitude screen, and we'll
leave the map in the middle or engine instruments as appropriate.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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LIKE2LOOP@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
>
> clear thingd for me...why would you want engine monitor display to share a
> display? wouldn't it be best to have it always up for visual scan? am I
> missing something???
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> Steve VS - completed
>
> Port St. Lucie, FL
> 772-475-5556
>
> Sent from my Treo 600
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
One statement is incorrect; You may define the Chelton IDUs so that any IDU
will display any data including engine data. I have done it. Only the
certified version requires a dedicated PFD.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I do see your point in a way, which is why on my panel I have 3 Chelton
> screens...so I still have the EFIS PFD display and the Map view whenever
> I want them.
>
> But... If you have the GRT or Rob's device, and maybe the EI one too,
> remember that all of them have their own display, so you will also
> be able to have engine instrument displays available there, albeit
> smaller or less pretty. In my case, with the EIS 6000, I still can
> have pages of engine data on the LCD display, and my favorite page
> running most of the time. Also, if something goes out of spec,
> you'll get the warning light.
>
> So yes, I see your point, but I don't think it's as major an issue
> as you might think. But, I do think it valid enough that I was
> willing to splurge for 3 screens and make the entire panel more
> useful or "comfortable".
>
> Now, John, to nitpick on your post...(the one that followed this one that
> I'm replying to) Please note that you cannot move the engine
> data to the pilot side screen if you are only using 2 chelton screens.
> The PFD (Primary display ... pilot side) is locked to the horizon
> display ONLY. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Chelton screens can flip to
> any display. That's another reason why I chose 3 screens. The
> center will be a map screen normally, but I'll have a stick switch
> that will flip the screen from map to engine. The right side screen
> will also have a stick switch to flip it from map to engine to EFIS
> screen.
>
> When I let a co-pilot fly, they can have the Attitude screen, and we'll
> leave the map in the middle or engine instruments as appropriate.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> LIKE2LOOP@aol.com wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
>>
>> clear thingd for me...why would you want engine monitor display to
>> share a display? wouldn't it be best to have it always up for visual
>> scan? am I missing something???
>>
>> Do not archive.
>>
>>
>> Steve VS - completed
>>
>> Port St. Lucie, FL
>> 772-475-5556
>>
>> Sent from my Treo 600
>>
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
David, do tell the wiring or functional process you used that allowed
the Chelton to release screen #1 from PFD and become a secondary engine
annunciator (MFD) in that primary position. I am most interested.
I concur with #2, #3... #n will take any secondary function and display
accordingly. This would be an even stronger installation argument for
the Chelton. In the Lancair, N6XE, that I am familiar with, it would
(should) not have done that.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
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| Subject: | Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later |
Some of you may remember that a year ago for my birthday, I got an RV-10
hand carved model from my dad. It was only one of 2 made by Griffin
Aerospace Models. You may also remember that right after OSH 2005 this
summer, I sold off my highly prized posession to Dan Lloyd, because
Griffin said the cost of a repaint was basically equal for me to
the cost of having another one made...maybe a few more bucks to go
custom, but oh well.
Well today, just past that next birthday, I got my present in the mail
again, but this time it is truly "MY" RV10. Attached are some photos.
I can highly recommend Griffin, as I believe Dan any myself would both
tell you that the quality is extrordinary. The only thing missing on
mine is the antennas, which would be my fault since I didn't specify
them, and the photos I sent didn't show the antennas.
See below for the photos. Here is Griffin's contact info:
817-624-2320 or 866-584-0260
Fax 817-624-0422
Today, despite UPS not showing up with my fuel line stuff, I'm a very
happy boy.
To see a couple more pics, or if you get the digest version, here's a
link: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/misc/index.html
Tim
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Ahh, many thanks David. I thought from our previous discussions
that it was still a single-function device. Glad you got yours
hooked up and it still flips. I'm not sure if i'll let my left
side flip or not, since there are 3, but if I do, I won't do it
with remote buttons.
Thanks for adding the 100% answer to that. Sorry John if I misled
you. I'll be a little more reliable soon, as I'm currently
wiring the panel ... slowly, as these darn manufacturers get my
parts trickling in. I'm at the stage where small parts not
being on hand can slow you down, and every little piece can
delay progress for a few days.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
David McNeill wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
>
> One statement is incorrect; You may define the Chelton IDUs so that any
> IDU will display any data including engine data. I have done it. Only
> the certified version requires a dedicated PFD.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> I do see your point in a way, which is why on my panel I have 3 Chelton
>> screens...so I still have the EFIS PFD display and the Map view whenever
>> I want them.
>>
>> But... If you have the GRT or Rob's device, and maybe the EI one too,
>> remember that all of them have their own display, so you will also
>> be able to have engine instrument displays available there, albeit
>> smaller or less pretty. In my case, with the EIS 6000, I still can
>> have pages of engine data on the LCD display, and my favorite page
>> running most of the time. Also, if something goes out of spec,
>> you'll get the warning light.
>>
>> So yes, I see your point, but I don't think it's as major an issue
>> as you might think. But, I do think it valid enough that I was
>> willing to splurge for 3 screens and make the entire panel more
>> useful or "comfortable".
>>
>> Now, John, to nitpick on your post...(the one that followed this one
>> that I'm replying to) Please note that you cannot move the engine
>> data to the pilot side screen if you are only using 2 chelton screens.
>> The PFD (Primary display ... pilot side) is locked to the horizon
>> display ONLY. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Chelton screens can flip to
>> any display. That's another reason why I chose 3 screens. The
>> center will be a map screen normally, but I'll have a stick switch
>> that will flip the screen from map to engine. The right side screen
>> will also have a stick switch to flip it from map to engine to EFIS
>> screen.
>>
>> When I let a co-pilot fly, they can have the Attitude screen, and
>> we'll leave the map in the middle or engine instruments as appropriate.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>> LIKE2LOOP@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
>>>
>>> clear thingd for me...why would you want engine monitor display to
>>> share a display? wouldn't it be best to have it always up for visual
>>> scan? am I missing something???
>>>
>>> Do not archive.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve VS - completed
>>>
>>> Port St. Lucie, FL
>>> 772-475-5556
>>>
>>> Sent from my Treo 600
>>>
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| Subject: | Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later |
Tim:
Wieviel kostet es?
TDT
do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later
Some of you may remember that a year ago for my birthday, I got an RV-10
hand carved model from my dad. It was only one of 2 made by Griffin
Aerospace Models. You may also remember that right after OSH 2005 this
summer, I sold off my highly prized posession to Dan Lloyd, because
Griffin said the cost of a repaint was basically equal for me to
the cost of having another one made...maybe a few more bucks to go
custom, but oh well.
Well today, just past that next birthday, I got my present in the mail
again, but this time it is truly "MY" RV10. Attached are some photos.
I can highly recommend Griffin, as I believe Dan any myself would both
tell you that the quality is extrordinary. The only thing missing on
mine is the antennas, which would be my fault since I didn't specify
them, and the photos I sent didn't show the antennas.
See below for the photos. Here is Griffin's contact info:
817-624-2320 or 866-584-0260
Fax 817-624-0422
Today, despite UPS not showing up with my fuel line stuff, I'm a very
happy boy.
To see a couple more pics, or if you get the digest version, here's a
link: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/misc/index.html
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Picking an Engine Monitor |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
One other thing may affect it, I have software version 6.20A2.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> David, do tell the wiring or functional process you used that allowed
> the Chelton to release screen #1 from PFD and become a secondary engine
> annunciator (MFD) in that primary position. I am most interested.
>
> I concur with #2, #3... #n will take any secondary function and display
> accordingly. This would be an even stronger installation argument for
> the Chelton. In the Lancair, N6XE, that I am familiar with, it would
> (should) not have done that.
>
> John Cox
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
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| Subject: | Picking an Engine Monitor |
FYI
One goal for integrated electronic cockpits is to move to a "dark cockpit", i.e.
it's a waste of time to stare at engine gauges that are all "normal". Computers
can do a much better job monitoring things than a human. Therefore, displays
can be "dark" or limited under normal circumstances, and only give you a
face full of data when it's really important, for instance when an exceedance
or significant trend is detected.
TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Picking an Engine Monitor
--> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
clear thingd for me...why would you want engine monitor display to share a
display? wouldn't it be best to have it always up for visual scan? am I
missing something???
Do not archive.
Steve VS - completed
Port St. Lucie, FL
772-475-5556
Sent from my Treo 600
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| Subject: | Re: Picking an Engine Monitor |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
Just got the following from Peter at D2A
Yes you are correct. If you want your system to look and act like a
certified system you can name your #1 screen IDU1 and you will only have
PFD functions on that display. Naming the #1 display IDU0 you will have
all multi-functions.
Take Care,
Peter Stiles
Vice President
Direct-To Avionics
www.d2av.com
peter@d2av.com
-----Original Message-----
From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
Subject: IDU definition
Just a point of clarification. In the experimental version the IDUs can
be
defined to display PFD, map or engine data on any IDU. Only the
certified
version requires a dedicated PFD IDU and this is defined in the CPU
designation (0-4)?
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| Subject: | Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
Tim, is the baggage door on the Right? Is that where yours is?
Do Not Archive
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later
Some of you may remember that a year ago for my birthday, I got an RV-10
hand carved model from my dad. It was only one of 2 made by Griffin
Aerospace Models. You may also remember that right after OSH 2005 this
summer, I sold off my highly prized posession to Dan Lloyd, because
Griffin said the cost of a repaint was basically equal for me to
the cost of having another one made...maybe a few more bucks to go
custom, but oh well.
Well today, just past that next birthday, I got my present in the mail
again, but this time it is truly "MY" RV10. Attached are some photos.
I can highly recommend Griffin, as I believe Dan any myself would both
tell you that the quality is extrordinary. The only thing missing on
mine is the antennas, which would be my fault since I didn't specify
them, and the photos I sent didn't show the antennas.
See below for the photos. Here is Griffin's contact info:
817-624-2320 or 866-584-0260
Fax 817-624-0422
Today, despite UPS not showing up with my fuel line stuff, I'm a very
happy boy.
To see a couple more pics, or if you get the digest version, here's a
link: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/misc/index.html
Tim
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Es hat mich ein kleines ber zwei hundert Bcke gekostet.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> Tim:
>
> Wieviel kostet es?
>
> TDT
> do not archive
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
> Sent: Fri 12/16/2005 11:22 PM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later
>
>
>
> Some of you may remember that a year ago for my birthday, I got an RV-10
> hand carved model from my dad. It was only one of 2 made by Griffin
> Aerospace Models. You may also remember that right after OSH 2005 this
> summer, I sold off my highly prized posession to Dan Lloyd, because
> Griffin said the cost of a repaint was basically equal for me to
> the cost of having another one made...maybe a few more bucks to go
> custom, but oh well.
>
> Well today, just past that next birthday, I got my present in the mail
> again, but this time it is truly "MY" RV10. Attached are some photos.
> I can highly recommend Griffin, as I believe Dan any myself would both
> tell you that the quality is extrordinary. The only thing missing on
> mine is the antennas, which would be my fault since I didn't specify
> them, and the photos I sent didn't show the antennas.
>
> See below for the photos. Here is Griffin's contact info:
> 817-624-2320 or 866-584-0260
> Fax 817-624-0422
>
> Today, despite UPS not showing up with my fuel line stuff, I'm a very
> happy boy.
>
> To see a couple more pics, or if you get the digest version, here's a
> link: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/misc/index.html
>
> Tim
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Wow, I overlooked that! You're right. No, mine is on the left. ;)
I'll have to debate on wether I want to send it back or not.
I'll have to look it over closer and then determine how much it
means to me. I suppose if I sent it back, I could ask for the
antennas too. I just wouldn't want them to mess up the paint
to move the door.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Rene wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
>
> Tim, is the baggage door on the Right? Is that where yours is?
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Rene'
> 801-721-6080
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:22 PM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later
>
> Some of you may remember that a year ago for my birthday, I got an RV-10
> hand carved model from my dad. It was only one of 2 made by Griffin
> Aerospace Models. You may also remember that right after OSH 2005 this
> summer, I sold off my highly prized posession to Dan Lloyd, because
> Griffin said the cost of a repaint was basically equal for me to
> the cost of having another one made...maybe a few more bucks to go
> custom, but oh well.
>
> Well today, just past that next birthday, I got my present in the mail
> again, but this time it is truly "MY" RV10. Attached are some photos.
> I can highly recommend Griffin, as I believe Dan any myself would both
> tell you that the quality is extrordinary. The only thing missing on
> mine is the antennas, which would be my fault since I didn't specify
> them, and the photos I sent didn't show the antennas.
>
> See below for the photos. Here is Griffin's contact info:
> 817-624-2320 or 866-584-0260
> Fax 817-624-0422
>
> Today, despite UPS not showing up with my fuel line stuff, I'm a very
> happy boy.
>
> To see a couple more pics, or if you get the digest version, here's a
> link: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/misc/index.html
>
> Tim
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I now see how it got on the wrong side.... My fault...
On that paint layout page I had:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/index.html
That's what I sent them to go by for the paint design. I'm not sure
how the baggage door showed up on the right side, but I bet that
in my paint scheme layout I flipped the line drawing into a mirror
image to get the plane facing to the right. That flipped the door.
So, I guess it's my fault completely.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Rene wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
>
> Tim, is the baggage door on the Right? Is that where yours is?
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Rene'
> 801-721-6080
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:22 PM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later
>
> Some of you may remember that a year ago for my birthday, I got an RV-10
> hand carved model from my dad. It was only one of 2 made by Griffin
> Aerospace Models. You may also remember that right after OSH 2005 this
> summer, I sold off my highly prized posession to Dan Lloyd, because
> Griffin said the cost of a repaint was basically equal for me to
> the cost of having another one made...maybe a few more bucks to go
> custom, but oh well.
>
> Well today, just past that next birthday, I got my present in the mail
> again, but this time it is truly "MY" RV10. Attached are some photos.
> I can highly recommend Griffin, as I believe Dan any myself would both
> tell you that the quality is extrordinary. The only thing missing on
> mine is the antennas, which would be my fault since I didn't specify
> them, and the photos I sent didn't show the antennas.
>
> See below for the photos. Here is Griffin's contact info:
> 817-624-2320 or 866-584-0260
> Fax 817-624-0422
>
> Today, despite UPS not showing up with my fuel line stuff, I'm a very
> happy boy.
>
> To see a couple more pics, or if you get the digest version, here's a
> link: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/misc/index.html
>
> Tim
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