---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/17/05: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:50 AM - Re: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 2. 04:17 AM - Re: shipping costs (Wayne Edgerton) 3. 04:19 AM - Re: Vans Pricing Increase question (Wayne Edgerton) 4. 04:35 AM - Re: Picking an Engine MonitorPicking an Engine Monitor (Wayne Edgerton) 5. 04:49 AM - Re: AF-2500 Chelton Interface (Wayne Edgerton) 6. 05:15 AM - Re: AF-2500 Chelton Interface (David McNeill) 7. 05:49 AM - Re: AF-2500 Chelton Interface (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 8. 07:55 AM - Engine monitor (Chris Hukill) 9. 08:39 AM - Re: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later (John Testement) 10. 08:58 AM - Re: Picking an Engine MonitorPicking an Engine Monitor (John Testement) 11. 09:21 AM - Re: AF-2500 Chelton Interface (Roger Standley) 12. 03:02 PM - Re: Engine monitor (Jesse Saint) 13. 03:03 PM - Re: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later (Jesse Saint) 14. 05:17 PM - Re: Engine monitor (John Testement) 15. 05:59 PM - Re: Engine monitor (Jesse Saint) 16. 06:07 PM - Re: AF-2500 Chelton Interface (RobHickman@aol.com) 17. 06:14 PM - Re: Engine monitor (RobHickman@aol.com) 18. 06:17 PM - Re: AF-2500 Chelton Interface (RobHickman@aol.com) 19. 09:12 PM - Re: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later (Tim Olson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:56 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" That prop doesn't look like a blended airfoil! Seriously though looks good. Michael Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later Some of you may remember that a year ago for my birthday, I got an RV-10 hand carved model from my dad. It was only one of 2 made by Griffin Aerospace Models. You may also remember that right after OSH 2005 this summer, I sold off my highly prized posession to Dan Lloyd, because Griffin said the cost of a repaint was basically equal for me to the cost of having another one made...maybe a few more bucks to go custom, but oh well. Well today, just past that next birthday, I got my present in the mail again, but this time it is truly "MY" RV10. Attached are some photos. I can highly recommend Griffin, as I believe Dan any myself would both tell you that the quality is extrordinary. The only thing missing on mine is the antennas, which would be my fault since I didn't specify them, and the photos I sent didn't show the antennas. See below for the photos. Here is Griffin's contact info: 817-624-2320 or 866-584-0260 Fax 817-624-0422 Today, despite UPS not showing up with my fuel line stuff, I'm a very happy boy. To see a couple more pics, or if you get the digest version, here's a link: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/misc/index.html Tim -- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:10 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: shipping costs You can go to the web address below to get his info or his phone is 541-330-0828 http://www.vansairforce.net/Graphics/PartainTruckingCo.htm Wayne Edgerton RV10 # 40336 DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:28 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans Pricing Increase question I believe the price is as of order date. Wayne Edgerton Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:53 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Picking an Engine MonitorPicking an Engine Monitor I plan on installing two Chelton's, one on the left and one on the right, and under the pilot side Chelton plan on installing an Advanced Flight System AF-2500. I want have a dedicated display for the engine functions and this unit will give me quite a few other functions as well. Wayne Edgerton RV10 #40336 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:40 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: AF-2500 Chelton Interface Hello Rob, I have ordered your AF-2500 system. I'm sure I'm missing something here but why would I want to interface your unit with the Chelton if I have a dedicated display with your unit? Are you saying not to use your display but to use the Chelton? Wayne Edgerton RV10 # 40336 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:10 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: Re: RV10-List: AF-2500 Chelton Interface I believe you will still need an additional small unit from Chelton , the air data computer (supplied by GRT either within the EIS6000 or separately). Since the interfaced EIS6000 has very comparable displays on the Chelton I assume there must be extra functions in the AF2500 i.e. checklists for the extra $2000+. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Edgerton To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:49 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: AF-2500 Chelton Interface Hello Rob, I have ordered your AF-2500 system. I'm sure I'm missing something here but why would I want to interface your unit with the Chelton if I have a dedicated display with your unit? Are you saying not to use your display but to use the Chelton? Wayne Edgerton RV10 # 40336 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:48 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: AF-2500 Chelton Interface From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" The main reason you would also want to interface it to the Chelton is to get the Chelton to pop up alerts on it's main screens. The less you have to look around for information the better and if you can have anything critical or advisory in one location you don't have to worry about it as much. I agree I would still want the additional dedicated engine display but I would rather not have to worry that I need to put it in my scan in a minimums approach or high workload scenario. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Mid Fuse Bulkheads ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton Subject: Re: RV10-List: AF-2500 Chelton Interface Hello Rob, I have ordered your AF-2500 system. I'm sure I'm missing something here but why would I want to interface your unit with the Chelton if I have a dedicated display with your unit? Are you saying not to use your display but to use the Chelton? Wayne Edgerton RV10 # 40336 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:59 AM PST US From: "Chris Hukill" Subject: RV10-List: Engine monitor I recently took a trip up to the Dynon factory, near Seattle, to see they're new D100 system. I was blown away with the display! The screen was very bright, with high resolution, and the symbols were steady, with no flicker. They have units running on internal battery power that you can simulate the most extreme, and violent attitudes that you can produce waving it around in your arms, and I was never able to tumble it. The ability to split the very large display and present the majority of the engine data on the PFD is a great feature. The whole system, including dual AHRS, dual screens, all 6 cylinder engine and fuel flow probes, remote compass, OAT, and AOA pitot (not yet heated) is under $6000!!!!! This is for a system that is far more capable, with a brighter, cleaner display than is in the G4 I fly for a living! Now I can commit to a system, and start plumbing accordingly. Chris Hukill riveting tailcone tripping over QB wings and fuselage ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:50 AM PST US From: "John Testement" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Testement" Happy Birthday Tim!! What a really cool present. I get warm feelings when I see how your whole family is so involved in the project. You are a lucky man! John Testement jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Working on QB fuse -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later Some of you may remember that a year ago for my birthday, I got an RV-10 hand carved model from my dad. It was only one of 2 made by Griffin Aerospace Models. You may also remember that right after OSH 2005 this summer, I sold off my highly prized posession to Dan Lloyd, because Griffin said the cost of a repaint was basically equal for me to the cost of having another one made...maybe a few more bucks to go custom, but oh well. Well today, just past that next birthday, I got my present in the mail again, but this time it is truly "MY" RV10. Attached are some photos. I can highly recommend Griffin, as I believe Dan any myself would both tell you that the quality is extrordinary. The only thing missing on mine is the antennas, which would be my fault since I didn't specify them, and the photos I sent didn't show the antennas. See below for the photos. Here is Griffin's contact info: 817-624-2320 or 866-584-0260 Fax 817-624-0422 Today, despite UPS not showing up with my fuel line stuff, I'm a very happy boy. To see a couple more pics, or if you get the digest version, here's a link: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/misc/index.html Tim -- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:57 AM PST US From: "John Testement" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Picking an Engine MonitorPicking an Engine Monitor It would seem that the MFD with moving map navigation, weather, etc. would be a higher priority than engine instruments. You will want to constantly monitor your location, but as someone else commented, you don't need to stare at the engine data. You may want to consider putting the MFD on the pilot side and EM on the right. John Testement jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Working on QB fuse _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton Subject: Re: RV10-List: Picking an Engine MonitorPicking an Engine Monitor I plan on installing two Chelton's, one on the left and one on the right, and under the pilot side Chelton plan on installing an Advanced Flight System AF-2500. I want have a dedicated display for the engine functions and this unit will give me quite a few other functions as well. Wayne Edgerton RV10 #40336 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:04 AM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: AF-2500 Chelton Interface Hey Rob, Have you had a chance to go over to Van's and take a picture of their RV-10 POS-12 flap position input for the AF-2500? Roger Standley #40291 ----- Original Message ----- From: RobHickman@aol.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: RV10-List: AF-2500 Chelton Interface We have finished the software interface for the AF-2500 to Chelton System and are currently testing it. We have a number of orders for the system and should have them delivered in the next 4 weeks. Rob Hickman Advanced Flight Systems ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:24 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine monitor And, if you want to go cheaper or save panel space, you can get both the EFIS and the EMS in the same unit for a retail of around $3,200 (with no sensors). It's called the FlightDEK D180 and would be a perfect instrument for a backup EFIS and a dedicated EMS. With this one the battery backup will give you both EFIS and EMS, whereas they don't have a backup battery option for the EMS. I can't wait to see what they come out with next. They do a good job of making stuff that works while keeping the prices down. No, they're not Chelton, but the panel won't cost upwards of $60,000 either. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org Fax: 815-377-3694 I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC, please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me, please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill Subject: RV10-List: Engine monitor I recently took a trip up to the Dynon factory, near Seattle, to see they're new D100 system. I was blown away with the display! The screen was very bright, with high resolution, and the symbols were steady, with no flicker. They have units running on internal battery power that you can simulate the most extreme, and violent attitudes that you can produce waving it around in your arms, and I was never able to tumble it. The ability to split the very large display and present the majority of the engine data on the PFD is a great feature. The whole system, including dual AHRS, dual screens, all 6 cylinder engine and fuel flow probes, remote compass, OAT, and AOA pitot (not yet heated) is under $6000!!!!! This is for a system that is far more capable, with a brighter, cleaner display than is in the G4 I fly for a living! Now I can commit to a system, and start plumbing accordingly. Chris Hukill riveting tailcone tripping over QB wings and fuselage ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:02 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" What was the price tag, out of curiosity? Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org Fax: 815-377-3694 I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC, please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me, please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later Some of you may remember that a year ago for my birthday, I got an RV-10 hand carved model from my dad. It was only one of 2 made by Griffin Aerospace Models. You may also remember that right after OSH 2005 this summer, I sold off my highly prized posession to Dan Lloyd, because Griffin said the cost of a repaint was basically equal for me to the cost of having another one made...maybe a few more bucks to go custom, but oh well. Well today, just past that next birthday, I got my present in the mail again, but this time it is truly "MY" RV10. Attached are some photos. I can highly recommend Griffin, as I believe Dan any myself would both tell you that the quality is extrordinary. The only thing missing on mine is the antennas, which would be my fault since I didn't specify them, and the photos I sent didn't show the antennas. See below for the photos. Here is Griffin's contact info: 817-624-2320 or 866-584-0260 Fax 817-624-0422 Today, despite UPS not showing up with my fuel line stuff, I'm a very happy boy. To see a couple more pics, or if you get the digest version, here's a link: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/misc/index.html Tim -- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:40 PM PST US From: "John Testement" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine monitor This seems like a good option if you plan to use a Dynon as backup EFIS (which I plan to do). The only downside is that the Dynon will not interface to the Cheltons ( if you are using them) so you will not get EMS warnings on your PFD and cannot display engine data on the pilot side screens. Since I want an IFR plane with weather, traffic, terrain, approaches, etc. I'll spring for the Cheltons. John Testement jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Working on QB fuse _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine monitor And, if you want to go cheaper or save panel space, you can get both the EFIS and the EMS in the same unit for a retail of around $3,200 (with no sensors). It's called the FlightDEK D180 and would be a perfect instrument for a backup EFIS and a dedicated EMS. With this one the battery backup will give you both EFIS and EMS, whereas they don't have a backup battery option for the EMS. I can't wait to see what they come out with next. They do a good job of making stuff that works while keeping the prices down. No, they're not Chelton, but the panel won't cost upwards of $60,000 either. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org Fax: 815-377-3694 I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC, please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me, please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill Subject: RV10-List: Engine monitor I recently took a trip up to the Dynon factory, near Seattle, to see they're new D100 system. I was blown away with the display! The screen was very bright, with high resolution, and the symbols were steady, with no flicker. They have units running on internal battery power that you can simulate the most extreme, and violent attitudes that you can produce waving it around in your arms, and I was never able to tumble it. The ability to split the very large display and present the majority of the engine data on the PFD is a great feature. The whole system, including dual AHRS, dual screens, all 6 cylinder engine and fuel flow probes, remote compass, OAT, and AOA pitot (not yet heated) is under $6000!!!!! This is for a system that is far more capable, with a brighter, cleaner display than is in the G4 I fly for a living! Now I can commit to a system, and start plumbing accordingly. Chris Hukill riveting tailcone tripping over QB wings and fuselage ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:43 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine monitor We've got an IFR plane with weather, traffic, terrain, approaches, etc, and we are using the Dynons as Primary. Cheltons are sweet, though. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org Fax: 815-377-3694 I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC, please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me, please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine monitor This seems like a good option if you plan to use a Dynon as backup EFIS (which I plan to do). The only downside is that the Dynon will not interface to the Cheltons ( if you are using them) so you will not get EMS warnings on your PFD and cannot display engine data on the pilot side screens. Since I want an IFR plane with weather, traffic, terrain, approaches, etc. I'll spring for the Cheltons. John Testement jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Working on QB fuse _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine monitor And, if you want to go cheaper or save panel space, you can get both the EFIS and the EMS in the same unit for a retail of around $3,200 (with no sensors). It's called the FlightDEK D180 and would be a perfect instrument for a backup EFIS and a dedicated EMS. With this one the battery backup will give you both EFIS and EMS, whereas they don't have a backup battery option for the EMS. I can't wait to see what they come out with next. They do a good job of making stuff that works while keeping the prices down. No, they're not Chelton, but the panel won't cost upwards of $60,000 either. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org Fax: 815-377-3694 I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC, please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me, please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill Subject: RV10-List: Engine monitor I recently took a trip up to the Dynon factory, near Seattle, to see they're new D100 system. I was blown away with the display! The screen was very bright, with high resolution, and the symbols were steady, with no flicker. They have units running on internal battery power that you can simulate the most extreme, and violent attitudes that you can produce waving it around in your arms, and I was never able to tumble it. The ability to split the very large display and present the majority of the engine data on the PFD is a great feature. The whole system, including dual AHRS, dual screens, all 6 cylinder engine and fuel flow probes, remote compass, OAT, and AOA pitot (not yet heated) is under $6000!!!!! This is for a system that is far more capable, with a brighter, cleaner display than is in the G4 I fly for a living! Now I can commit to a system, and start plumbing accordingly. Chris Hukill riveting tailcone tripping over QB wings and fuselage ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:10 PM PST US From: RobHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: AF-2500 Chelton Interface The Chelton System does not have its own air data unit. If you have the Grand Rapids EAU unit it is the air data unit. The Chelton system also has fuel level and warning options if you have it connected to an engine monitor. The AF-2500 for the Chelton System will also be the Air Data Computer for it. Rob Hickman Advanced Flight Systems ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:33 PM PST US From: RobHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine monitor In a message dated 12/17/2005 7:58:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, cjhukill@cox.net writes: The screen was very bright For reference the Dynon D-10a is a 450 nit display. The D-100 is only 400 nits. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:44 PM PST US From: RobHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: AF-2500 Chelton Interface The problem is that you can't see it. I will see if I can get them to take a picture next time it is apart. Rob Hickman ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:58 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson I can't remember the exact price. $189-$210 or something in that ballpark. I think I had maybe around $210 including shipping or something like that. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE Jesse Saint wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" > > What was the price tag, out of curiosity? > > Jesse Saint > I-TEC, Inc. > jesse@itecusa.org > www.itecusa.org > Fax: 815-377-3694 > > I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC, > please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me, > please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has > voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:22 PM > To: RV10 > Subject: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later > > Some of you may remember that a year ago for my birthday, I got an RV-10 > hand carved model from my dad. It was only one of 2 made by Griffin > Aerospace Models. You may also remember that right after OSH 2005 this > summer, I sold off my highly prized posession to Dan Lloyd, because > Griffin said the cost of a repaint was basically equal for me to > the cost of having another one made...maybe a few more bucks to go > custom, but oh well. > > Well today, just past that next birthday, I got my present in the mail > again, but this time it is truly "MY" RV10. Attached are some photos. > I can highly recommend Griffin, as I believe Dan any myself would both > tell you that the quality is extrordinary. The only thing missing on > mine is the antennas, which would be my fault since I didn't specify > them, and the photos I sent didn't show the antennas. > > See below for the photos. Here is Griffin's contact info: > 817-624-2320 or 866-584-0260 > Fax 817-624-0422 > > Today, despite UPS not showing up with my fuel line stuff, I'm a very > happy boy. > > To see a couple more pics, or if you get the digest version, here's a > link: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/misc/index.html > > Tim