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1. 05:29 AM - Empennage Fairing (Joseph Czachorowski)
2. 05:51 AM - Re: Empennage Fairing (rob kermanj)
3. 05:59 AM - Re: Empennage Fairing (Jim Wade)
4. 06:16 AM - gear mounting (David McNeill)
5. 06:23 AM - Re: Empennage Fairing (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
6. 06:27 AM - Re: Empennage Fairing (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
7. 06:49 AM - Re: Empennage Fairing (Rick)
8. 07:04 AM - Re: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
9. 07:09 AM - Re: Empennage Fairing (Mike Kraus)
10. 07:14 AM - Re: Empennage Fairing (Perry Casson)
11. 07:16 AM - Re: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
12. 07:20 AM - Re: IO540 source (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
13. 07:21 AM - Re: Empennage Fairing (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
14. 07:53 AM - Yet another ebay scam to watch out for (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
15. 08:06 AM - Re: IO540 source (rob kermanj)
16. 08:22 AM - Re: Empennage Fairing (DejaVu)
17. 08:29 AM - Re: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
18. 10:17 AM - Re: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
19. 10:25 AM - Empennage Fairing (Joseph Czachorowski)
20. 10:45 AM - Re: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for (Jerry Grimmonpre)
21. 10:51 AM - Re: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
22. 11:13 AM - Re: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
23. 01:43 PM - Follow-up: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
24. 01:55 PM - Re: Empennage Fairing (Tim Olson)
25. 02:48 PM - Re: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for (Brian Sponcil)
26. 03:11 PM - Re: Empennage Fairing (Tim Olson)
27. 03:18 PM - Re: Empennage Fairing (John Dunne)
28. 03:57 PM - Re: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for (Marcus Cooper)
29. 06:00 PM - Re: Dual Transponders (William)
30. 06:49 PM - Off topic FAA user fees (Richard Sipp)
31. 07:29 PM - O/IO-540's (John Hasbrouck)
32. 07:29 PM - Re: RV-List: Off topic FAA user fees (Bob Collins)
33. 08:04 PM - Mounting Location of Electrical Components (Mike Kraus)
34. 08:21 PM - Re: Mounting Location of Electrical Components (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Empennage Fairing |
Does anyone know if the fiberglass empennage fairing is supposed to come with the
Rv10 tail kit or does it come with the finishing kit?
Zack
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage Fairing |
It comes with the Tail Kit.
rob kermanj
rv10es@earthlink.net
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On Dec 19, 2005, at 8:25 AM, Joseph Czachorowski wrote:
> Does anyone know if the fiberglass empennage fairing is supposed to
> come with the Rv10 tail kit or does it come with the finishing kit?
>
> Zack
>
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage Fairing |
Finish Kit!
Jim 40383
We plan to be done for Sun & Fun!!!
-------Original Message-------
From: Joseph Czachorowski
Subject: RV10-List: Empennage Fairing
Does anyone know if the fiberglass empennage fairing is supposed to come
with the Rv10 tail kit or does it come with the finishing kit?
Zack
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What has been the experience of the flying 10s regards tire wear and toein? Does
the Van's procedure work? Are the tires wearing uniformly across the tire surface.
The reason for the question is the Glastar that we built used to "eat"
tires every 3-6 months due to a faultly method for setting toein. After correcing
the situation using laser and plumb lines the current set of tire is at 18
months and counting
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| Subject: | Empennage Fairing |
It's not with the tail kit. I believe it's with the fuselage kit.
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Czachorowski
Subject: RV10-List: Empennage Fairing
Does anyone know if the fiberglass empennage fairing is supposed to come
with the Rv10 tail kit or does it come with the finishing kit?
Zack
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| Subject: | Empennage Fairing |
Finish Kit
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Czachorowski
Subject: RV10-List: Empennage Fairing
Does anyone know if the fiberglass empennage fairing is supposed to come
with the Rv10 tail kit or does it come with the finishing kit?
Zack
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| Subject: | Empennage Fairing |
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| Subject: | Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
Tim, the detail is awesome. One minor flaw I see is the baggage
door is on the co-pilot side instead of the pilor side. Oh well, only
RV-10 guys would notice this.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later
Some of you may remember that a year ago for my birthday, I got an RV-10
hand carved model from my dad. It was only one of 2 made by Griffin
Aerospace Models. You may also remember that right after OSH 2005 this
summer, I sold off my highly prized posession to Dan Lloyd, because
Griffin said the cost of a repaint was basically equal for me to
the cost of having another one made...maybe a few more bucks to go
custom, but oh well.
Well today, just past that next birthday, I got my present in the mail
again, but this time it is truly "MY" RV10. Attached are some photos.
I can highly recommend Griffin, as I believe Dan any myself would both
tell you that the quality is extrordinary. The only thing missing on
mine is the antennas, which would be my fault since I didn't specify
them, and the photos I sent didn't show the antennas.
See below for the photos. Here is Griffin's contact info:
817-624-2320 or 866-584-0260
Fax 817-624-0422
Today, despite UPS not showing up with my fuel line stuff, I'm a very
happy boy.
To see a couple more pics, or if you get the digest version, here's a
link: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/misc/index.html
Tim
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Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Empennage Fairing |
Mine came in the tail kit, as did my hanger mate's......
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Czachorowski
Subject: RV10-List: Empennage Fairing
Does anyone know if the fiberglass empennage fairing is supposed to come
with the Rv10 tail kit or does it come with the finishing kit?
Zack
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Perry Casson <pcasson@sasktel.net>
Fuselage Kit
Perry Casson
Joseph Czachorowski wrote:
> *Does anyone know if the fiberglass empennage fairing is supposed to
> come with the Rv10 tail kit or does it come with the finishing kit?*
> **
> *Zack*
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| Subject: | Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Tim's out in the garage with a Saws-All and he's going to fix the plane
to match the model!! ; )
TDT
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-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]"
<Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
Tim, the detail is awesome. One minor flaw I see is the baggage
door is on the co-pilot side instead of the pilor side. Oh well, only
RV-10 guys would notice this.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Happy Birthday (2 me) a year later
Some of you may remember that a year ago for my birthday, I got an RV-10
hand carved model from my dad. It was only one of 2 made by Griffin
Aerospace Models. You may also remember that right after OSH 2005 this
summer, I sold off my highly prized posession to Dan Lloyd, because
Griffin said the cost of a repaint was basically equal for me to
the cost of having another one made...maybe a few more bucks to go
custom, but oh well.
Well today, just past that next birthday, I got my present in the mail
again, but this time it is truly "MY" RV10. Attached are some photos.
I can highly recommend Griffin, as I believe Dan any myself would both
tell you that the quality is extrordinary. The only thing missing on
mine is the antennas, which would be my fault since I didn't specify
them, and the photos I sent didn't show the antennas.
See below for the photos. Here is Griffin's contact info:
817-624-2320 or 866-584-0260
Fax 817-624-0422
Today, despite UPS not showing up with my fuel line stuff, I'm a very
happy boy.
To see a couple more pics, or if you get the digest version, here's a
link: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/misc/index.html
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
I also got mine from them. $29,000 which included the new ECI
Cyl and new Precision fuel injection. I have been very happy with there
support as well. I highly recommend them.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rob kermanj
Subject: RV10-List: IO540 source
I picked up my engine from America's Aircraft Engines. I wanted to
let everyone know that they are a good source for RV10 engines. They
tried hard to provide an engine that met my spces for new parts and
Crank limits. I had a couple of pleasant surprises: A brand new Cam
and brand new Lifters, things I was never promised. This is a
certified engine with all new ECI cylinders, overhauled to factory
new limits and cost under $28,000.
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| Subject: | Empennage Fairing |
It's funny how many different answers you can get to a simple question. If you
are talking about the fairing that wraps around the HS/VS intersection, then
that most certainly comes with the fuselage. I just received my fuselage kit
a week ago and I'm looking at it right now.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wade
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Empennage Fairing
Finish Kit!
Jim 40383
We plan to be done for Sun & Fun!!!
-------Original Message-------
From: Joseph Czachorowski <mailto:zackrv8@verizon.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Empennage Fairing
Does anyone know if the fiberglass empennage fairing is supposed to come with the
Rv10 tail kit or does it come with the finishing kit?
Zack
=09
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| Subject: | Yet another ebay scam to watch out for |
Everyone,
Be aware that someone going buy "audio_metallurgy" is currently running scams
on eBay that are aimed at aviation types. The thing that makes him a bit difficult
to spot is he is selling stuff for what you would expect to pay, using
home pictures of the items. He did several fishy things that had my spidey sense
tingling but what really gave it away was forged emails from eBay that I could
trace back to a Yahoo web account. I have reported him to eBay so I expect
them to yank his id but I'm sure he has others ready to go. He also has several
positive remarks so this may be a hijacked account.
So you have an idea on his MO, here is a link to the item I was going to buy: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Garmin-GTX-327-transponder-yellow-tagged-no-reserve_W0QQitemZ4595918845QQcategoryZ90980QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: IO540 source |
--> RV10-List message posted by: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
My engine had an overhauled injection instead of a new one. I
believe that is the reason for the higher cost on yours.
rob kermanj
rv10es@earthlink.net
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On Dec 19, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]"
> <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>
> I also got mine from them. $29,000 which included the new ECI
> Cyl and new Precision fuel injection. I have been very happy with
> there
> support as well. I highly recommend them.
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> 40250
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rob kermanj
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 6:08 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: IO540 source
>
> I picked up my engine from America's Aircraft Engines. I wanted to
> let everyone know that they are a good source for RV10 engines. They
> tried hard to provide an engine that met my spces for new parts and
> Crank limits. I had a couple of pleasant surprises: A brand new Cam
> and brand new Lifters, things I was never promised. This is a
> certified engine with all new ECI cylinders, overhauled to factory
> new limits and cost under $28,000.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage Fairing |
Joe,
Mine came in the fuse kit.
Anh
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Czachorowski
To: RV10-List@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Empennage Fairing
Does anyone know if the fiberglass empennage fairing is supposed to come with
the Rv10 tail kit or does it come with the finishing kit?
Zack
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| Subject: | Re: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for |
In a message dated 12/19/2005 10:54:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rvbuilder@sausen.net writes:
The thing that makes him a bit difficult to spot is he is selling stuff for
what you would expect to pay, using home pictures of the items
Maybe i am slow...... what exactly is the scam????? Is he NOT
delivering on the goods? or just gathering credit card numbers???? How do you
kow it
is a scam??? Thanks for the rest of the story.
Steve VS - complete, Rudder dimpling in progress.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Yet another ebay scam to watch out for |
Specifically here is what tipped me:
Things that made me leery
- He had two transponders in his stack and was selling one to make room for a MFD.
- Supposedly the original buyer backed out, but the seller had comments from him
saying it was a good transaction
- He was really interested in using eBay to broker the transaction.
- He would rather sell it to me than re-list and probably get more for it.
- He asked for name and address to start the eBay transaction
Things that clinched it
- Received an email from eBay directly for the sale but it didn't show the transaction
in my eBay account
- The seller was suddenly in the UK
- The seller requested Western Union which is a common payment method for scams
as it makes them untraceable.
- Received a second, unprompted, email from eBay security saying that they knew
the seller was in the UK but the shipper was his wife in the US. (eBay doesn't
do this)
- I looked at the header information in the emails, which show the exact routing
of the message, and in both cases they came from a Yahoo webmail account and
NOT eBay.
- The seller used a Yahoo account also for his communications.
- The reply address to the emails showed eBay but was actually routed to an address
outside of eBay
Based on feedback and other stuff, I would have to guess that this is an account
that was hijacked. It's a common scam to get access to another persons account,
especially with good feedback, and then use it to get money from people.
I didn't complete the transaction once I realized it was a scam. My guess is
I would have sent the money via western union and would have never received anything.
An investigation would show that the actual owner of the account had
no knowledge of the transaction and Western Union would not be held responsible.
I would be out $1100 with no way to recoup.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for
In a message dated 12/19/2005 10:54:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, rvbuilder@sausen.net
writes:
The thing that makes him a bit difficult to spot is he is selling stuff
for what you would expect to pay, using home pictures of the items
Maybe i am slow...... what exactly is the scam????? Is he NOT delivering on
the goods? or just gathering credit card numbers???? How do you kow it is
a scam??? Thanks for the rest of the story.
Steve VS - complete, Rudder dimpling in progress.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Empennage Fairing |
Thanks guys..
The item I am talking about is indeed the Fiberglass Empennage Fairing. I was
hoping it was in the tail kit so I could work on it while awaiting the wings.
After building an RV8, I am truly amazed with the quality and simplicity of this
kit! The best way I could describe it is like one of those plastic models
you built as a kid. Just break the pieces off, deburr and assemble! Heck, I
bought a crap load of new fine point sharpies. Haven't had to use them yet!
I even bought a new stainless steel ruler. Didn't need it either. No measuring
(yet). Yeah, I know about clipping the rudder stiffeners 9/16" but Van's
give you half-radius cutout as a guide point. I just lined the piece up on my
shear and it was done... that fast.
I was also ready to flute the vertical stab ribs...again....don't have to. Van's
is certainly making this easier and easier. And what's this.....??? Holes
ALREADY in the ribs??? Where was this match-hole technology 5 years ago when
I was building my 8?
Zack
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| Subject: | Re: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for |
Michael ... thanks for your detailed observations we can all learn something from
those who are aware and know what to look for.
Many thanks,
Jerry Grimmonpre'
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for
Specifically here is what tipped me:
Things that made me leery
- He had two transponders in his stack and was selling one to make room for a
MFD.
- Supposedly the original buyer backed out, but the seller had comments from
him saying it was a good transaction
- He was really interested in using eBay to broker the transaction.
- He would rather sell it to me than re-list and probably get more for it.
- He asked for name and address to start the eBay transaction
Things that clinched it
- Received an email from eBay directly for the sale but it didn't show the transaction
in my eBay account
- The seller was suddenly in the UK
- The seller requested Western Union which is a common payment method for scams
as it makes them untraceable.
- Received a second, unprompted, email from eBay security saying that they knew
the seller was in the UK but the shipper was his wife in the US. (eBay doesn't
do this)
- I looked at the header information in the emails, which show the exact routing
of the message, and in both cases they came from a Yahoo webmail account and
NOT eBay.
- The seller used a Yahoo account also for his communications.
- The reply address to the emails showed eBay but was actually routed to an address
outside of eBay
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| Subject: | Yet another ebay scam to watch out for |
Look out for Garmin GNS-430s that are being sold by guys in Nigeria,
too!
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Grimmonpre
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for
Michael ... thanks for your detailed observations we can all learn
something from those who are aware and know what to look for.
Many thanks,
Jerry Grimmonpre'
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for
Specifically here is what tipped me:
Things that made me leery
- He had two transponders in his stack and was selling one to
make room for a MFD.
- Supposedly the original buyer backed out, but the seller had
comments from him saying it was a good transaction
- He was really interested in using eBay to broker the
transaction.
- He would rather sell it to me than re-list and probably get
more for it.
- He asked for name and address to start the eBay transaction
Things that clinched it
- Received an email from eBay directly for the sale but it
didn't show the transaction in my eBay account
- The seller was suddenly in the UK
- The seller requested Western Union which is a common payment
method for scams as it makes them untraceable.
- Received a second, unprompted, email from eBay security
saying that they knew the seller was in the UK but the shipper was his
wife in the US. (eBay doesn't do this)
- I looked at the header information in the emails, which show
the exact routing of the message, and in both cases they came from a
Yahoo webmail account and NOT eBay.
- The seller used a Yahoo account also for his communications.
- The reply address to the emails showed eBay but was actually
routed to an address outside of eBay
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| Subject: | Yet another ebay scam to watch out for |
This brings up a great point on using Ebay for anything. I personally
use a policy that if they do not take Paypal, then I do not buy from
them. Paypal, depending on the transaction, will protect $500-$1000,
this coupled with funding your Paypal account with a dedicated CC that
you only use on-line, and that has buyer protection, will give you some
semblance of security. Most CC's have a transaction guarantee for
mail-order, and will refund your money if you never receive the product.
Do not ever, never, ever send cash, wire transfer, Western Union, or
bank account transfer, this is all of these transactions are at your own
risk as they are considered cash and are untraceable once the money is
gone. At least if you use a CC you can try to re-coup it, but with cash
it is gone.
Dedicate a CC for on-line transactions, that way if someone high jacks
it, it makes it easier to notice. Some CC's even offer virtual, one time
use numbers for on-line purchases. That way you never give out a real
number and it is only good one time.
The most recent scam I had was that an unknown company charged $29 to my
card, when I called on it to the CC company and they investigated, they
could not find the company, so they took off the charge, after that I
saw a news story that a foreigner was busted with several million CC
numbers and was running a scam like this, because during busy seasons no
one checks the little charges, just the big ones, he almost got away
with $2mill or so.
Everyone just be careful! If it looks to good to be true, it probably
is, said many times, and ignored even more!
Dan
Wings 40269
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for
Specifically here is what tipped me:
Things that made me leery
- He had two transponders in his stack and was selling one to make room
for a MFD.
- Supposedly the original buyer backed out, but the seller had comments
from him saying it was a good transaction
- He was really interested in using eBay to broker the transaction.
- He would rather sell it to me than re-list and probably get more for
it.
- He asked for name and address to start the eBay transaction
Things that clinched it
- Received an email from eBay directly for the sale but it didn't show
the transaction in my eBay account
- The seller was suddenly in the UK
- The seller requested Western Union which is a common payment method
for scams as it makes them untraceable.
- Received a second, unprompted, email from eBay security saying that
they knew the seller was in the UK but the shipper was his wife in the
US. (eBay doesn't do this)
- I looked at the header information in the emails, which show the exact
routing of the message, and in both cases they came from a Yahoo webmail
account and NOT eBay.
- The seller used a Yahoo account also for his communications.
- The reply address to the emails showed eBay but was actually routed to
an address outside of eBay
Based on feedback and other stuff, I would have to guess that this is an
account that was hijacked. It's a common scam to get access to another
persons account, especially with good feedback, and then use it to get
money from people. I didn't complete the transaction once I realized it
was a scam. My guess is I would have sent the money via western union
and would have never received anything. An investigation would show
that the actual owner of the account had no knowledge of the transaction
and Western Union would not be held responsible. I would be out $1100
with no way to recoup.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for
In a message dated 12/19/2005 10:54:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rvbuilder@sausen.net writes:
The thing that makes him a bit difficult to spot is he is
selling stuff for what you would expect to pay, using home pictures of
the items
Maybe i am slow...... what exactly is the scam????? Is he NOT
delivering on the goods? or just gathering credit card numbers???? How
do you kow it is a scam??? Thanks for the rest of the story.
Steve VS - complete, Rudder dimpling in progress.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Follow-up: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for |
Funny thing you mention this, based on something someone else said I dug back
through to the original second chance email and it had the same markings. Looks
like he was trolling for something that was high dollar and had current bid
history. I haven't run across this version of the eBay scams before. Some
of these guys must be getting really lazy to not even bother hijacking the account.
Very interesting. Reinforces the fact that you always need to check eBay
or paypal account directly for stuff and don't ever use the links in the email
unless you know how to dissect them. In either case the point is to warn
people that these scams do exist. I turned the original emails over to eBay when
I first discovered it, just initially mistook plain lazy trolling and spoofing
for hijacking.
It is interesting that the actual guy had two transponders in his plane originally.
Bit of an overkill.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuse
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob White
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bob White <bob@bob-white.com>
Hi Michael,
Was this a second chance offer? If it was a second chance offer, then I suspect
the perpetrator was spoofing the second chance offer rather than hijacking the
account. Based on positive feedback from the seller and the original buyer,
I would guess the seller is legit and you were getting emails from someone else.
That's good info though. When I receive an email from Paypal saying I've received
a payment, I always open my Paypal account just to make sure the payment is
actually there. It's too easy to make an email look like something it isn't.
(Never had a bad one yet though.)
Bob W.
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Since we've had all the other kits mentioned, I'll say it comes with
the wing kit...that way we cover 'em all. ;)
Honestly though, I think it was the finishing kit.
Tim
Mike Kraus wrote:
> Mine came in the tail kit, as did my hanger mate's......
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Joseph
> Czachorowski
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2005 8:26 AM
> *To:* RV10-List@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Empennage Fairing
>
> *Does anyone know if the fiberglass empennage fairing is supposed to
> come with the Rv10 tail kit or does it come with the finishing kit?*
> **
> *Zack*
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| Subject: | Re: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for |
Ditto. If they don't take paypal then I won't buy, especially if it's a high dollar
item like a garmin 327.
-Brian
N211BD
VS done, Rudder drilled.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lloyd, Daniel R.
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 1:12 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for
This brings up a great point on using Ebay for anything. I personally use a policy
that if they do not take Paypal, then I do not buy from them. Paypal, depending
on the transaction, will protect $500-$1000, this coupled with funding
your Paypal account with a dedicated CC that you only use on-line, and that has
buyer protection, will give you some semblance of security. Most CC's have
a transaction guarantee for mail-order, and will refund your money if you never
receive the product.
Do not ever, never, ever send cash, wire transfer, Western Union, or bank account
transfer, this is all of these transactions are at your own risk as they
are considered cash and are untraceable once the money is gone. At least if you
use a CC you can try to re-coup it, but with cash it is gone.
Dedicate a CC for on-line transactions, that way if someone high jacks it, it
makes it easier to notice. Some CC's even offer virtual, one time use numbers
for on-line purchases. That way you never give out a real number and it is only
good one time.
The most recent scam I had was that an unknown company charged $29 to my card,
when I called on it to the CC company and they investigated, they could not
find the company, so they took off the charge, after that I saw a news story that
a foreigner was busted with several million CC numbers and was running a scam
like this, because during busy seasons no one checks the little charges, just
the big ones, he almost got away with $2mill or so.
Everyone just be careful! If it looks to good to be true, it probably is, said
many times, and ignored even more!
Dan
Wings 40269
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Oh, I change my vote to Fuselage kit now.
do not archive
Tim
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Since we've had all the other kits mentioned, I'll say it comes with
> the wing kit...that way we cover 'em all. ;)
>
> Honestly though, I think it was the finishing kit.
> Tim
>
>
> Mike Kraus wrote:
>
>> Mine came in the tail kit, as did my hanger mate's......
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Joseph
>> Czachorowski
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2005 8:26 AM
>> *To:* RV10-List@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Empennage Fairing
>>
>> *Does anyone know if the fiberglass empennage fairing is supposed to
>> come with the Rv10 tail kit or does it come with the finishing kit?*
>> ** *Zack*
>
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| Subject: | Empennage Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
Mines coming with the fire wall forward kit.
Do not archive
John
#40315
Waiting waiting.....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Empennage Fairing
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Oh, I change my vote to Fuselage kit now.
do not archive
Tim
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Since we've had all the other kits mentioned, I'll say it comes with
> the wing kit...that way we cover 'em all. ;)
>
> Honestly though, I think it was the finishing kit.
> Tim
>
>
> Mike Kraus wrote:
>
>> Mine came in the tail kit, as did my hanger mate's......
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Joseph
>> Czachorowski
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2005 8:26 AM
>> *To:* RV10-List@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Empennage Fairing
>>
>> *Does anyone know if the fiberglass empennage fairing is supposed to
>> come with the Rv10 tail kit or does it come with the finishing kit?*
>> ** *Zack*
>
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| Subject: | Yet another ebay scam to watch out for |
I had a similar case and it turns out the listing was legit, but it's the
follow on e-mail for a second chance offer that is suspect. The guy claims
to be the original seller but is not. The original eBay listing probably
sold and was delivered as depicted. I wouldn't necessarily hesitate to buy
from eBay, however if you get an e-mail claiming the winner backed out then
look at it very hard. eBay has some specific guidelines on their "second
chance bidding" that can help you decide if it's valid or not. The biggest
red flag is someone wanting you to pay via Western Union, don't do it if
that's the only option.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for
Specifically here is what tipped me:
Things that made me leery
- He had two transponders in his stack and was selling one to make room for
a MFD.
- Supposedly the original buyer backed out, but the seller had comments from
him saying it was a good transaction
- He was really interested in using eBay to broker the transaction.
- He would rather sell it to me than re-list and probably get more for it.
- He asked for name and address to start the eBay transaction
Things that clinched it
- Received an email from eBay directly for the sale but it didn't show the
transaction in my eBay account
- The seller was suddenly in the UK
- The seller requested Western Union which is a common payment method for
scams as it makes them untraceable.
- Received a second, unprompted, email from eBay security saying that they
knew the seller was in the UK but the shipper was his wife in the US. (eBay
doesn't do this)
- I looked at the header information in the emails, which show the exact
routing of the message, and in both cases they came from a Yahoo webmail
account and NOT eBay.
- The seller used a Yahoo account also for his communications.
- The reply address to the emails showed eBay but was actually routed to an
address outside of eBay
Based on feedback and other stuff, I would have to guess that this is an
account that was hijacked. It's a common scam to get access to another
persons account, especially with good feedback, and then use it to get money
from people. I didn't complete the transaction once I realized it was a
scam. My guess is I would have sent the money via western union and would
have never received anything. An investigation would show that the actual
owner of the account had no knowledge of the transaction and Western Union
would not be held responsible. I would be out $1100 with no way to recoup.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
do not archive
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Yet another ebay scam to watch out for
In a message dated 12/19/2005 10:54:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rvbuilder@sausen.net writes:
The thing that makes him a bit difficult to spot is he is selling stuff
for what you would expect to pay, using home pictures of the items
Maybe i am slow...... what exactly is the scam????? Is he NOT
delivering on the goods? or just gathering credit card numbers???? How do
you kow it is a scam??? Thanks for the rest of the story.
Steve VS - complete, Rudder dimpling in progress.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | RE: Dual Transponders |
>It is interesting that the actual guy had two transponders in
>his plane originally. ...Bit of an overkill
Actually this is quite common in twins and big iron birds. A lot of old time pilots
still do this even though today's transponders are waaaay more reliable
that those of yesteryear.
do not archive
William Curtis
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Off topic FAA user fees |
INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -2.0210
If there is anyone out there who thinks user fees might not be a bad idea or something not worth resisting have a look at the current AVWEB lead articles at: http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/536-full.html.
According to AOPA and last month's Flying editorial this issue is going to come
up again.
"Once the camel's nose is under the tent"
Dick Sipp
RV4 RV10
do not achieve
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Does anyone have a list of the O/IO-540's that won't work in the -10?
Excluding the 300+ HP, which one just won't fit given the engine mount and
cowl. I'd like to find a good core and rebuild it myself, with the watchful
eye of a friendly IA.
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | RE: RV-List: Off topic FAA user fees |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> "Once the camel's nose is under the tent"
Democracy stinks. (g)
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| Subject: | Mounting Location of Electrical Components |
I am looking for mounting locations for components in the RV-10. For
instance, where are people mounting:
Lightspeed Ignition Module
Ground Block
Ammeter Shunt
Voltage Regulator
Back up Voltage Regulator
AOA module (Advanced Flight Systems one, if anyone has one installed)
Dimmer Module
Essential Buss Diode
BMA Autopilot Module
Pictures or really good descriptions would be great!
Thanks
-Mike Kraus
RV-4 Flying
RV-10 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting Location of Electrical Components |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I'll reply in-line as to where I installed some of these things.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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Mike Kraus wrote:
> I am looking for mounting locations for components in the RV-10. For
> instance, where are people mounting:
> Lightspeed Ignition Module
Center of firewall inside under panel, left half, at the top.
> Ground Block
Inside firewall, upper section of firewall, on the small left panel.
48 block of ground fast-ons.
> Ammeter Shunt
> Voltage Regulator
None...I have the Plane Power IR 70A alternator.
> Back up Voltage Regulator
Didn't buy it yet. Plane Power should have a backup alternator out
by around OSH 2006, so I'm waiting.
> AOA module (Advanced Flight Systems one, if anyone has one installed)
> Dimmer Module
> Essential Buss Diode
On middle section of mid-sub panel.
> BMA Autopilot Module
>
> Pictures or really good descriptions would be great!
>
> Thanks
> -Mike Kraus
> RV-4 Flying
> RV-10 Fuselage
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