RV10-List Digest Archive

Thu 12/29/05


Total Messages Posted: 13



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:04 AM - Re: Panel (Jim Wade)
     2. 07:35 AM - Re: Panel (Randy DeBauw)
     3. 08:48 AM - Andair Fuel Valve Install Complete (Tim Olson)
     4. 08:48 AM - Re: AOA vs. Stall Warning (Brinker)
     5. 01:47 PM - rv10 bill of sale ()
     6. 01:53 PM - Monitor Burn-In (Mark)
     7. 02:50 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve Install Complete (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
     8. 03:54 PM - Re: Static line question (Randy DeBauw)
     9. 04:00 PM - Re: Range of motion for ailerons - help needed (Randy DeBauw)
    10. 04:05 PM - Re: Range of motion for ailerons - help needed (Randy DeBauw)
    11. 04:23 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve Install Complete (Tim Olson)
    12. 05:40 PM - Re: Panel (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
    13. 07:21 PM - TruTrak VSGV (Russell Daves)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:04:01 AM PST US
    From: Jim Wade <jwadejr@direcway.com>
    Subject: Re: Panel
    Placed my order Sept 9th and they still tell me 2 months. I was advised to get the pinouts and plugs so I could wire everything so all I had to do was install and hookup the panel when it finally arrived. Jim -------Original Message------- From: DejaVu Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel I placed my order on 01 Sep 05 with the target date of 01 Nov 05 (2 months). I would leave at least 5 months lead time. Don't count on the target date Anh ----- Original Message ----- From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel I know of at least 3 RV-10 people who's panel is way overdue (months) from them. Hmm, make that four now. Michael do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wade Subject: RV10-List: Panel If anyone is thinking of using Aerocrafters AKA Lancair avionics you might want to email me first!!! They have a great looking panel, but customer service sucks!!!!!!!!!! Jim 383


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    Time: 07:35:18 AM PST US
    Subject: Panel
    From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
    I had great luck with them early on but one of my main contacts has left for the very reasons stated below. They were unable to get the higher up's at Aerocraft to take deadlines seriously. It is a shame because there are some really great people still working there and the quality of the product has been exceptional. Randy ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wade Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel Placed my order Sept 9th and they still tell me 2 months. I was advised to get the pinouts and plugs so I could wire everything so all I had to do was install and hookup the panel when it finally arrived. Jim -------Original Message------- From: DejaVu <mailto:wvu@ameritel.net> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel I placed my order on 01 Sep 05 with the target date of 01 Nov 05 (2 months). I would leave at least 5 months lead time. Don't count on the target date. Anh ----- Original Message ----- From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel I know of at least 3 RV-10 people who's panel is way overdue (months) from them. Hmm, make that four now. Michael do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wade Subject: RV10-List: Panel If anyone is thinking of using Aerocrafters AKA Lancair avionics you might want to email me first!!! They have a great looking panel, but customer service sucks!!!!!!!!!! Jim 383 =09 =09


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    Time: 08:48:14 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Andair Fuel Valve Install Complete
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> For those who have been waiting for some photos of the Andair valve install with handle extension, you'll be very pleased. I now can confirm that this is an extremely good way to eliminiate many hassles with the original install of the fuel valve, like getting the rear heat to run past the valve and rudder cable, among others. The install, in my opinion, makes it easier, and safer. Here's where the write-up is: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20051228/index.html I also have a lot of wiring and panel stuff done, and a write up of doing panel silkscreening and other panel related things that I posted today too: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/20051228/index.html Sorry it took so long to get photos posted. I know a few of you really wanted them sooner, but I've got my head in my project these days. Enjoy! -- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170


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    Time: 08:48:15 AM PST US
    From: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
    Subject: Re: AOA vs. Stall Warning
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com> Was wondering if anyone has any experience with the HCI AOA, at http://hciaviation.com/prod-aoa-a.shtml they claim to have stall horn and led indicator. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darton Steve" <sfdarton@yahoo.com> Subject: RV10-List: AOA vs. Stall Warning > --> RV10-List message posted by: Darton Steve <sfdarton@yahoo.com> > > This is a question for the flying 10s. > > Is anyone flying with just an AOA and no stall > warning? Is there any good reason to install the Stall > Warning system if AOA is installed? > > Thanks > Steve 40212 Wings (obviously) > > > __________________________________ > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > > >


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    Time: 01:47:30 PM PST US
    From: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: rv10 bill of sale
    --> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net> Hi, guys ,Hugo here . I have a questions to the second airplane builders,at what moment you recive a bill of sale,wich you Must have ,in order to register the airplane. my questions is, even if this is a very serius company ,and excelent customer support,you know ,anythings is possible,if something happen to them (stooddard Hamilton,glasair-glastar),we will finish with a lot of aluminum ,and may some divorce,if you can't convert the above mention aluminum in an asset. Do I am paranoioc? Thanks ,Hugo


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    Time: 01:53:53 PM PST US
    From: Mark <eyedocs1@swbell.net>
    Subject: Monitor Burn-In
    Funny story, as I stare at my office computer screen preparing an Excel spreadsheet, I can see a perfect outline of Larry Feldhousen's blue RV-10 that I have setup as my wallpaper and screensaver. Oh well, I can think of worse things! Wishing everyone SAFE & prosperous New Year! Regards, Mark DNA


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    Time: 02:50:04 PM PST US
    From: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve Install Complete
    Tim, Help me understand.. i only have the empennage plans. Is that an inline fuel filter between the valve and the gascolator, burried in the center tunnel? Is it accessible at annual inspection??? (removed, cleaned and re-inserted) If not, where else would you put it if you were starting all over for ease of access? The firewall seems like a good place to me?? I am most interested as my C-170 just recovered from a near fuel starvation problem in the fuel flter that was located after the gascolator. We never isloated a cause, but we did find little "stones" on the surface of the filter that almost blocked it completely. I doubt it was ever inspected. The gascolator passed visual inspection. We joke that the plane had kidney stones. No residue was found in the tanks, and no new build up since we cleaned it. We were only a few hours away from an in flight fuel starvation, so i want my gas plumbing to be easily inspected at the annual. Thanks for your insight and your web page is a great help! Steve Stephen Blank RV-10 Builder #40499 / Cessna 170B flyer 766 SE River Lane VS - Complete. Rudder dimpling. Port St. Lucie, FL 34983 772-475-5556 cell DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 03:54:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Static line question
    From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
    The lengths do not need to be the same length. Just connect them with a "T". Randy ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Indran Chelvanayagam Subject: RV10-List: Static line question Guys, this may seem like a stupid question : There are two static ports on either side of the rear fuse. These need to be connected to a 'T' piece, then fed forward to the instrument panel. Do the two tubing arms of the 'T' need to be the same length? IE, does the length of tubing from each static port to the connector need to be the same length on both sides? Although the ports are meant to be 'balanced', I would think that the low pressures/flow involved would mean that differences in the tubing length are not significant. BTW - I'm using the Cleaveland tools static ports with tygon tubing (Mike Lauritsen - if you're reading this, I received the tubing etc yesterday after 3 weeks! - mail goes slowly around Christmas in Australia!) Indran Chelvanayagam


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    Time: 04:00:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Range of motion for ailerons - help needed
    From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> The tube movement is much less than you expect. The Tru-Track set up comes with all of the linkage so there is no need to do anything except bolt it. I would wait till the wings are on to make a servo control rod. Then you will know what you are working with. No weighing of any control surface is necessary. That comes from Ken Kruger the chief engineer at Vans. Hope this helps. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Panning Subject: RV10-List: Range of motion for ailerons - help needed --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com> I am setting up a Trio Avionics autopilot and working on mounting the wing servo. I need to know the range of motion for the aileron and cannot find this info in the wing or fuselage manual. Are the numbers in the finish kit? If not, perhaps a flying RV-10 knows the range of travel in inches for the main pushrod from the wingroot to bellcrank. Alternatively, if I knew the angle of the aileron to the top surface of the wing when full "up" and lower wing surface when full "down" I could work it out from that. Also, does the finish kit list control surface acceptable weight range and CoG values? Thanks in advance, Eric #40150


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    Time: 04:05:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Range of motion for ailerons - help needed
    From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com> Eric, are you close by me. You can come over to the hanger and get the measurements you need. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Panning Subject: RV10-List: Range of motion for ailerons - help needed --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com> I am setting up a Trio Avionics autopilot and working on mounting the wing servo. I need to know the range of motion for the aileron and cannot find this info in the wing or fuselage manual. Are the numbers in the finish kit? If not, perhaps a flying RV-10 knows the range of travel in inches for the main pushrod from the wingroot to bellcrank. Alternatively, if I knew the angle of the aileron to the top surface of the wing when full "up" and lower wing surface when full "down" I could work it out from that. Also, does the finish kit list control surface acceptable weight range and CoG values? Thanks in advance, Eric #40150


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    Time: 04:23:29 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve Install Complete
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Hey Steve, There's no gascolator. I'm not sure, but I don't think that filter gets changed at every annual...anyone else know about that? I actually think if I was starting all over, there's not an awful lot of changes I'd do other than the whole andair thing and that filter bracket. For the most part it's all pretty good. There's a lot of wasted space in that tunnel though, that's for sure. Some cool things someone could do would mabe be to open up the pilot side wall and inset a box with a hatch cover where you put your fuseblocks and things. There's a lot that could be done for someone who thought ahead a bit. You could save a bunch of space behind the panel. One thing about your gascolator issue that you COULD do at every annual though might be a flow test of the fuel pump and system. Disconnect at the firewall, attach a hose and run the pump into a jug and time how long it takes to fill 3/4 gallon. Next year do the same test.... and so on. That might be a good way to actually not have to worry about yanking the filter and stuff. I just thunk that up all by m'self.....Now I can thank you for giving me that idea. ;) Tim LIKE2LOOP@aol.com wrote: > Tim, > > Help me understand.. i only have the empennage plans. Is that an > inline fuel filter between the valve and the gascolator, burried in the > center tunnel? Is it accessible at annual inspection??? (removed, > cleaned and re-inserted) If not, where else would you put it if you > were starting all over for ease of access? The firewall seems like a > good place to me?? > > I am most interested as my C-170 just recovered from a near fuel > starvation problem in the fuel flter that was located after the > gascolator. We never isloated a cause, but we did find little "stones" > on the surface of the filter that almost blocked it completely. I doubt > it was ever inspected. The gascolator passed visual inspection. We > joke that the plane had kidney stones. No residue was found in the > tanks, and no new build up since we cleaned it. We were only a few > hours away from an in flight fuel starvation, so i want my gas plumbing > to be easily inspected at the annual. Thanks for your insight and your > web page is a great help! > > Steve > > Stephen Blank RV-10 Builder #40499 / Cessna 170B flyer > 766 SE River Lane VS - Complete. Rudder dimpling. > Port St. Lucie, FL 34983 > > 772-475-5556 cell > > DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 05:40:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Panel
    They are slow and they are way backed up right now. Because of that reason they are now going to offer just the panel with avionics. They will laser cut the panel, paint it and silk screen it. Steve said he could have the panel done in 4-6 weeks. It is the wiring that they are backed up on. I am planning on having my panel mid to end Feb. -Scott ________________________________
    From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
    [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel I had great luck with them early on but one of my main contacts has left for the very reasons stated below. They were unable to get the higher up's at Aerocraft to take deadlines seriously. It is a shame because there are some really great people still working there and the quality of the product has been exceptional. Randy ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wade Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel Placed my order Sept 9th and they still tell me 2 months. I was advised to get the pinouts and plugs so I could wire everything so all I had to do was install and hookup the panel when it finally arrived. Jim -------Original Message------- From: DejaVu <mailto:wvu@ameritel.net> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel I placed my order on 01 Sep 05 with the target date of 01 Nov 05 (2 months). I would leave at least 5 months lead time. Don't count on the target date. Anh ----- Original Message ----- From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel I know of at least 3 RV-10 people who's panel is way overdue (months) from them. Hmm, make that four now. Michael do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wade Subject: RV10-List: Panel If anyone is thinking of using Aerocrafters AKA Lancair avionics you might want to email me first!!! They have a great looking panel, but customer service sucks!!!!!!!!!! Jim 383


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    Time: 07:21:55 PM PST US
    From: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
    Subject: TruTrak VSGV
    For those of you who have the DigiFlight II VSG or the VSGV TruTrak advised me today that they now have the VSGV software completed to couple with the GRT EFIS. I will be sending in my VSGV for software upgrade (no cost since I purchased the VSGV model originally. VSG models can also be upgraded but at the price differently for the VSGV version. Russ Daves RV-10 #40044




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